equipment, such different weapon options, so you better ask some more specific points, because here i can tell a lot, because they know these machines quite well, i see quite a lot of them, well, then in fact it turns out that we will have to form such tactics, where we have advantages, we act there, if our radar is worse than the enemy's, and the missile is better, then , after all, we will probably be involved in the task of air defense rather than some aerial duels, where we are clearly we will have, well, worse indicators and greater risks, so probably now the tactics of using these f-16s will be directed more towards the air defense task, well i think that is the imperative task, the main imperative task that will be facing these aircraft, because you see that the russians now use x-69 missiles, they fly at a lower altitude. sometimes they break through our anti-aircraft defenses,

we have guns. let me remind you that this is valery romanenko, the official expert, we are now recruiting our guest, we are talking about the f-16s, which should arrive already in the summer, or before the summer, as they say our partners, the main purpose of these multifunctional aircraft may be different, but it all depends on the modification of the aircraft and on. of the weapons that will be transferred to our partners on these planes, valery romanenko also especially emphasizes that it is extremely important that we get these planes with radio-electronic warfare systems, which will primarily provide important protection of these planes against russian guided missiles, this is extremely important, because it will be another indicator of increased efficiency. our planes and

their security against the russian threat, because the russian su-35 planes are armed with the x-33 missiles, which have a range of up to 300 km, as they claim, and this very combination has been detected in russian long-range planes up to 300 km, plus these long-range missiles create potentially significant threats, especially since at one time in... in tandem with the su-35 , the a50 also works, that is, an aircraft that tries to detect enemy aircraft, and we understand that this spark a50 and su-35 will act as a tandem for our f-16. we hope that then ukrainian f-16s will act in tandem with nato-avax aircraft, because these aircraft have much better capabilities than. the russian

a50 long-range detection aircraft, this avax aircraft provides data transmission of enemy air targets to the f-16 fighter, and thus, even if our f-16 in the first versions or in the versions that we will receive, will have a shorter range detection, due to the capabilities of the avax aircraft, all the same, our pilot will have good situational awareness of where there are enemy planes. mr. valery, when we talk about the list of weapons, you mentioned air-to-air missiles, but our partners talked about the fact that long-range means of impression will be transferred, which can be used for strikes on the territory of the russian federation, about what means of impression it may be the case and whether we will come across it accordingly. reaction

of the united states to avoid such hostilities against the russian federation? well, here the question is so interesting, it means, here if we, uh, get permission only for harm missiles, yes, then it's one thing, but if we get jasm missiles, then we can destroy russian rears at a great depth, because the latest models of jasm missiles have a range of up to... 900 km, that is, in fact, we will be able to, let's say, destroy russian ships right in the harbors, they won’t even need to be caught in the sea, or it’s in crimea, yes, there won’t be any obstacles here at all, because crimea is allowed any nato resources that we receive, we can harvest in crimea, but for... if there is permission to shoot at russian

territory, then, accordingly, a number of defense enterprises are at risk of being destroyed by these missiles. after all, it’s not 50 kg, or 20 kg, as our current drones have a warhead, yes, but 450 kg is already serious, and i can’t help but ask about the price, because we say that there will be the first six planes, then maybe we we will go to the figures of up to 50 f16 aircraft, but the mark miles are old... my chairman of the committee of the chiefs of staff of the us said that this is quite an expensive pleasure, he said that 10 aircraft cost billions of dollars, and their acquisition is another billion dollars, that is, in fact, 10 aircraft is 2 billion dollars a year, when we

are talking about 50 such machines there, the question immediately arises, are we going to incur these costs, or do we need to balance between the number and our economic capacity, well, don't forget... about the cost of the weapons that will need to be used, one amram missile is already more than a million dollars, well, i am amram with a range of 120-150 km, but in general, very expensive weapons, except moreover, we are not getting new planes, and indeed the cost of their operation can be very high, but i... that if we show the result of the use of these planes, then i think that the aid from the allies will increase, because you see, it directly depends on our successes, there were successes, we were more or less supplied with weapons there, and

i can't help but ask whether we should now take care of increasing the number of pilots who can... use these f-16s, because now we we are talking about the optimal indicator, there are like 12 pilots, shouldn't we still think about increasing the staff, so that later it is not a restraining factor in obtaining aircraft. well, we already have a group of young pilots training with us, actually without combat experience, and they have already been trained in great britain, and i think that this... practice should be continued, and the more pilots we have, the easier it will be somehow, so, well, understand, we will receive a maximum of one brigade of aircraft, that is 22 squadrons, 24 aircraft, and the russians

can oppose us with up to 500 new aircraft models, that is, in terms of quantity, we also have to somehow increase the number of these planes, because there will be losses, well... of course, war is war, there will be losses of planes, losses of pilots, in terms of the optimal number, well, we need to see, evaluate the level of losses of planes after some period, at least a few months of combat use of these planes, for now i believe that it is necessary to feed as many pilots as possible, if there is such an opportunity, if new sets are from the kharkiv... institute of the air force, it is possible or the university of the air force, yes, it is possible to send our guys as much as possible to train not only pilots, but also ground personnel, and we must have a supply of pilots, because planes, you see, we were promised up to 60 planes,

plus belgium will also be decommissioned, others will be decommissioned countries that have improved these machines, well... there are, there are opportunities, i think there are opportunities to increase their number, i think that if everything goes well with the united states, they also have more than a hundred aircraft in warehouses, well not in warehouses, there is a storage base in arizona and there to hundreds of planes, and i think that, after all, it is too early to say about the optimal number, it will show, the experience of combat operations will show. i hope that the combat experience will be effective enough, and then at the very end of our conversation, i cannot but ask about other american aircraft, about the a10 and denmbolts, which are actually being removed from the armament of the american army, and a number of american

publications wrote about the fact that the minister of air of the us forces said that ukraine was not interested in receiving these aircraft, although they seemed to be interested. proposals for possible transfer of these planes to ukraine, although the same minister says that the planes are old, the planes are difficult to operate, but a number of ukrainian publications again... picked up the topic that it seems appropriate to take on these planes for the needs of the armed forces. what are your assessments of such proposals and the rationality of such opportunities? well, you yourself say that the optimal number of pilots is needed for the f-16, right? if we start training pilots for the a10, yes, it will be a simple, well, suicidal reaction, because this plane, first of all, is very vulnerable. in fact, this is a flying cannon, which is a 30-millimeter cannon, it is huge, very

powerful, it, you know, its barrel, you can put a bucket on it, it has such a huge diameter, yes, a very powerful cannon, but the range of damage of the whole cannon is 3 km, that is, the plane instantly will be destroyed, it is designed to operate in conditions of absolute dominance in the air, that is, there is no... there should be no anti-aircraft missile systems in the area of ​​its effect, and the russians have a short-range armor there, yes, there is also an average range of the beech, there and long-range s-300, s-400, yes, that is, these planes, they will not even be able to hit, hit some enemy , they will be destroyed on approach, i am not talking about the fact that this plane is not capable of air combat, it is not universal, it is just an attack aircraft, he is not capable. not carry amram missiles and do some dogfights, yes it doesn't have a radar station, that means it

can't even detect an enemy plane at a long distance to escape in time, it's not fast, and so if we get those planes, that's there will be losses like ours resources, efforts, money, because they will still have to be operated, yes, and the flight crew, that is... whoever writes about the fact that we need such planes, well, let them read a little and read something about this plane and the conditions of its use, well, i will say one phrase that the americans believed that they had about 500 such aircraft there during the cold war, and they believed that they would be enough for two weeks of hostilities. mr. valery, thank you very much for these explanations about both the a10 and the f-16, let me remind you that it was valery romanenko, an expert expert, lead scientist... employee of the state aviation museum, next we will talk about our unmanned systems, how they

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rus, which models of your drones are currently the most active used on the battlefield and on... what is the biggest demand from our military? there is a demand for long-range drones, such as interceptors - this is 40 km away, 30 km away, that is, those that hit targets, that is, behind the contact line, that pass through military obstacles that can be proved, or by gps coordinates, if there are the possibility is this, or... the operators themselves can reach the target, we are also actively cooperating with the special services for the use of the osa drone, but i cannot say anything here, because this is closed information, uh, now we focus precisely on drones, they will already be

the main brand. which will now be supplied to the front, orders for your systems, what about this, who is your main customer now, does the volume of current orders allow you to ensure the planned loading of your production, it does not allow it at all, and this situation is not only in me, not only in us, so we closed the contract with the national guard, now our guys are working with them on the technology behind... advances in the zaporizhzhia direction there help them work more professionally on the line collisions, we periodically go there, that means, but for example, here we are now finishing the production of 500 drones at our own expense, 10 bepacks of actually unmanned

aircraft complexes, and so far there is no contract, i also met... with high-ranking officials, talked with bosses uav management, someone says that there is no funding now for contracting, that is , there are no prospects for long-term contracting, it is clear, this month we are stopping production, and we will wait for the next steps, because every day is salary expenses, these people are hanging not under the armor. that is, partly we have booked someone, partly people are just afraid, because tomorrow they can be taken not based on their qualifications, but because of what is needed, in fact, people are really needed on the front line, but we are worried about the qualifications, the qualifications, engineers, assemblers, electronics engineers, and therefore,

we still do not see prospects in this direction for the coming months, we have focused from... now very much on the supply of other types of weapons, air defense, we are working, well, by the way, the first contact became, this, i think, such serious information, became the first official supplyer agent of deal defense, this is a large company, which is german, which supplies iris systems, large radars there and so on, that is, we were the first to become official, passed compliance, we will now work with other large... german, french companies, here, and here in the drone production of drones, this is the story i told, well , this story is somewhat strange, because the president also talks about long-term contracts, which our enterprises seem to need, your the enterprise has been developing unmanned strike systems for various purposes since the 14th year, there is a practice of using

them, there are military groups that use your systems, and as i understand it... there is no adequate reaction from the ministry of defense, the ministry of digital, state special communications, that is, there is no order at all on yours, neither on the wasp, nor on repulse, nor on kyivan rus, so it turns out, well , look, there are a lot of wasps, that is, only the special services with which we work quite closely, they work for their tasks with us, but this is separate work outside of the state special services in tongue of the ministry of defense, that is, the wasp isp that is. such a military-type analogue of mavik, so it is only now that they are realizing that these drones, which are in pv, about which i spoke, yes, they fulfill their mission, but the budget cannot be spent. 80% of the budget is only for fpv drones, which do not work under rebo, what a big loss they are, that is why we need to finance long-range

bombers, but not necessarily kamikaze, not necessarily those that are 800, we also have kyiv rus for 800, but this line, a line of 40, 30, 40, 50-60 km, it is not contracted today ministry. defense is not contracted by the general staff, the general staff submits applications, and so far funds, as of yesterday i have information on contracting, they said that there is no for for for for this kind of drones, well, this is also strange for me, but the situation is such that there are many manufacturers, which are not contracted, you can make a cross-section of the market and ask who has what capacities, how much they are contracted for these... these applications and so that you can really plan your life, the life of your company for the near future, right now

no, maybe someone is fully contracted, i have not seen such people yet, well, yesterday i think there was a statement by komyshyn, who said that, relatively speaking, we are loaded there for 2 billion, we can produce products there for 20 billion, if i am not mistaken, and it is necessary to look for... donny money, so that orders are made from our enterprises for foreign money, and maybe then there is another version, probably, it can still reduce the number of enterprises that manufacture, but load them with work adequately, in order to have, well, guaranteed quality and the guaranteed number of products, because it seems that you are not the only company that does not have a contract, in particular there is avia, also a leading company, saying, i do not have volumes for the next... year and it actually turns out the same after two months in a situation when he will not have an order for a prospect and he is looking for variations, how to get out of this story? well, look, then

there was no need to tell everyone that everyone who has the capabilities, capacity and permission to operate and received nato codes will all be contracted, these were statements of more than one the minister, not only fedorov there, not only not only... the minister of defense there, not only the chief of the general staff, everyone said, including the president, said that everyone who passes and we can be, supply, all will be contracted, this the word got around, at all the meetings we were told and so on, but this is not so, that is, everything turned out in such a way that there is a skew in such cheap drones that burn en masse on the front line, high-tech... logical things in which funds are invested , which are invested mind, which are invested there intellectual potential, time, finances and so on further, they, they turn out to be in

a secondary place, and we have the opinion that it is probably easier there, it is somehow easier to carry out some, shall we say, incorrect procedures, then they understood that this drone was made from a chinese kit , it's all gone. quickly, everything is clear and so on, but where there is a technological process, there, where there is, well, a serious investment, engineering, where development needs to be constantly invested in the rand, in and there it is already more difficult, and therefore less financed , but it is really needed on the front line, and we are not we are fighting only in 10 km, and in the zone, we need 30, 40, 60 km. to destroy those means of impressions that the enemy has, means of suppression, headquarters, decision-making centers and so on, and this also needs to be developed, yes,

maybe at the first stage it does not work out, these impressions do not work out, but then you change frequency, you are working on it, it is a constant investment of your resource, your resource of your people, risk, because we, we leave in the collision zone. we risk the equipment that is not contracted, which we ourselves take at our own expense, charge volunteer funds and we invest in order to go abroad and improve our domestic equipment, so that we do not have to buy three times abroad, and these things need to be developed . came... there was such a stage when there were simple solutions, yes, to make there companies that quickly produce fpv, so there are already some.

fathers say: oh, i have to do something, there is a lot of money, it is easy to do, recruit students there or this one to collect in the kitchen and so on, that is, everyone saw what was there, that there was easy money there, bought a complete set, yes, it comes later and so on, but i did everything and it was gone, it is not protected from the slave, it, it flies 10% to the target , yes, well, i am the first person sitting here who... the commander-in-chief was shown the fpv drone, i first showed it to him, he saw it for the first time at the training ground, when the americans tested theirs, we showed our impressions at the testing grounds, we brought this this story in the zsu, but it overlapped, ftv was then overlapped by other developments, into which you need to invest no less than what you need to do with cheap drones. investments and

investments and contracting those companies that do something more than simple fpv drones, and this is not happening now, and 80%, i repeat , of the budget goes to such cheap drones, and you talk to the guys at the front, who now need the means, not only for 10-15 km, and further, and they, they are not purchased, they, they are not invested in, this is such a story. and i'm not the only one who is so sad about punisher, ask punisher, we recently we talked there with the ideological inspirer of the punisher, max musyka, who worked there for a little while with the state, traveled and so on, the same situation in the punisher, you see the same situation there, you say that in athlon, in artem, yes, so, yunik has the same situation, air reconnaissance, i don’t know, maybe

it changed there a month ago, we talked about... but here, well, this is a story that is distorted, and it should not continue to live like this, they should go back and do high-tech things, that’s why that this is a prospect, this is the future, unfortunately a war that will last for a long time, well then i will ask about the new official, the head of a new type of unmanned forces, does he understand these risks? on the one hand, have you met with him, and on the other hand, it actually turns out that this procurement system was created on the basis of these state procurement agencies, which are based only on cost indicators, then de facto this system actually contradicts the things you say that with cheap samples we will never have money for such things, which will be resistant to the slave, more reliable, more complex, but at the same time more

expensive, so it turns out? eh, it’s a little bit wrong here, no, no, a little bit wrong, the procurement agency headed by marina bezruka, she is actually like a bank, a military, which is given orders by the general staff, what to procure and where to procure, and therefore, it actually fulfills orders, needs given by the general staff, therefore , one cannot help but say that they are not correctable to the system, the question is that... we do not understand who in the general staff takes the final decision solution, at least until today we did not understand it, so because before the pre-orders, which were, i can now say, orders came where 70% are from incomprehensible companies, and part of those drones that are inserted into the semi-procurement were inserted , we didn’t even have certification, you

can imagine, that is, we went through... 5 months of certification, tests on the front line, on training grounds, and so on, we reached contracting, we were not contracted, but at the same time, companies that did not have certification were promoted, but at the same time they were given orders to be financed, that is, some companies are generally incomprehensible on the market, there were, there were such questions, i don't know how it will be now, and this is the first, the second, in fact, under the previous leadership of dersspetszvyazuk , all that was taken, well, in one word indicators of cheapness and not a comparison of technical characteristics was a traditional method, that is, there was a head of the department, who is no longer there, who was engaged in this, who could afford to make a new assessment of military, military equipment on...