but considering in principle the nature of the books of this writer, you can, first of all, not expect some kind of story, first of all , scandalous, you should expect something philosophical, and you should expect a lot of thinking about complex topics, which maybe, sometimes even have no solution. well, that's all for me, friends, keep an eye on ukrainian, non-ukrainian culture, and we will summarize its results in the next one. welcome to the espressu channel. today in our war and weapons program we will talk about the battle for the sky, about the domination of air and how to achieve it by our air force and defense forces in general. and here, of course.

the first steps are to receive f-16 aircraft from our partners, great hopes are placed on these fighters, but it should be understood that these aircraft in a limited number will not become something like such a universal silver bullet, but in a certain way change the rules of the game in the sky over ukraine f-16 will be able to. at the same time, by the way, the minister of foreign affairs of denmark recently claimed that the first six summer... f-16, as he said, we will transfer this summer, and most likely, these will be the first f-16s to be used for air defense missions. and the prime minister of belgium said the other day that ukraine can receive the first plane by the summer of this year, which is quite positive. and while we are waiting for fighters, new opportunities for the defense forces are being added by the ukrainian unmanned aviation complexes, as they ... develop, as they adapt to the new

requirements of the military. therefore , we will find out all the details about f-16 fighters and domestic drones in the next issue of our program war and weapons with ukrainian aviation experts and drone developers. my name is serhiy zgurets, i am the director of the defense express information and consulting company, which is currently working together with the espresso channel to highlight the most relevant trends in the life of the military and the defense industry. of the complex, and now we are joined by valery romanenko, aviation expert, leading scientist, mr. valery, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear the espresso channel on the air. to each other, have a good day. of course, we have the basic theme of f-16s, but an even more basic topic is dominance in the air, and i can't help but start with the first question, which concerns the fact that today the commander of the air force said that he managed to shoot down this russian. the tu-22 m3 bomber

used by russia for the attack. what is your reaction, can we assume that this carcass was shot down, perhaps by the s200 complex, as the russian a50 was shot down before. well, for now, so to speak, i’m waiting for more detailed reports, they say that they really shot down the s-200, in terms of range, it’s a song... yes, in general, these bombers launch kh-22 missiles, in which the range there is approximately 400 50 to 500 km, yes, accordingly, they are suitable for hitting, well, not only front-line cities, flying somewhere deep, they can come closer to our territory and thus be in the range of our long-range systems, well, i think so, and well, as far as i know. before the start

of the war, even before the start of the invasion , one s200 division was restored in our armed forces, and we may have received additional missiles whether additional launchers or in general whole complexes that were in service with poland and bulgaria remained in service with poland and bulgaria, well, i hope that this trend will be continued, it will scare the enemies, and now let's move on to the subject of the f-16, why... can we now say about the general numbers of the quantities that we are receiving from our partners and the expected technical characteristics of these aircraft, what are the best figures that we can hope for in those realities given those previous promises from our partners? it's hard to say anything here, because that's all, it means it's closed from any media coverage, which is possible... we can only make

some assumptions, well, the first assumption is that we will get the planes in the same condition as they were, let's say, well, the armed forces, let's say so, yes. .. denmark and norway, yes, these planes were, well, let's say a little not modern, they meet the block 50-52 standard, which is now the main aircraft in the united states aviation, the united states air force, but there radar stations, the 66th stations, there is the second modification or the third modification with a range of 110 km. compare with the russian su-35-30sm fighters, yes, the range is about 300 km, that is, inferior , maybe, maybe during, so to speak, the current, well, overhaul of these

aircraft, before they are handed over to us, some more modern ones will be installed radar stations, well, then, of course , our chances for... a full-fledged fight , the ability of our pilots to fully fight against russian fighters will increase significantly, but besides that, this is an average option, if we still get planes with radar stations of a different trip type, for example, there is station 86, and it already has 120 km, and in general for all planes that have passed the emda. operation, they got the opportunity during the next such stages, as they call it, after bole, modernization is difficult, this is mllu, and then there were stages

of improvement, so after stages, several stages, these aircraft received missiles with a range of 160 km, which is a total of kilometers exceeds the range of russian missiles by 40, i.e. somewhere we lose in capabilities, somewhere we gain more and better opportunities for defeating russian aircraft, and in general, i really hope that these aircraft will have such modern, powerful airborne defense systems, nato countries, in the united states always pay special attention to this, what is airborne complex? defenses are radio-electronic equipment that can detect the irradiation of russians by the radars of russian fighters, the launch of missiles and install effective obstacles to deflect these missiles so that they do not hit the aircraft. well, if you comply with these

conditions, we will get enough such planes that will give our pilots the opportunity to fight on an equal footing with the russians, well, i am not saying that we will be able to destroy russian cruise missiles more effectively, because , for example, the last modification was the installation of akkvs missiles, such as on the vampire complexes, and for the destruction of drones, the cost of such a missile is 25 thousand dollars, for comparison, the cost of a shahed, well, somewhere up to 200. 150-2000 dollars, that is, we can do it with the help of the f-16, if there are even older models, we can quite effective and cheap to destroy russian shaheds, well, in general, the question is, you know, inexhaustible, equipment, such different

options for weapons, so you better ask some more specific points, because i can tell a lot here, because they know these machines quite well... there are quite a lot of them saw, well, then it actually turns out that we will have to form such tactics where we have advantages, that is where we act, if our radar is worse than the enemy's, and the missile is better, then after all, we will probably be involved in the task of air defense, and not some there aerial duels, where we will definitely have worse performance and greater risks, so probably now the tactics of using these f16s will rather be directed to the task against ... air defense, well, i think this is a mandatory task, the main mandatory task , which will stand in front of these planes, because you see that the russians are now using kh-69 missiles, they, which fly at a lower altitude, sometimes break through our air defenses,

we have a beam, let me remind you that this is valery romanenko, the official expert, now. .. we are recruiting of our guest, we are talking about the f-16s, which should arrive already in the summer or before the summer, as our partners say, the main purpose of these multifunctional aircraft may be different, but it all depends on the modification of the aircraft and on the weapons that will be on these aircraft transferred to our partners, valery romanenko especially also emphasizes that it is extremely important that we receive these aircraft with radio-electronic warfare systems, which primarily provide important protection of these aircraft from russian missiles with a location guidance, this is extremely important, because... this will be another indicator of increasing the efficiency of our aircraft and their

protection against the russian threat, because the russian su-35 aircraft are armed with the kh33 missiles, which have a range of up to 300 km, as they claim, and this very combination has been detected in russian long-range aircraft up to 300 km, plus these... cobia missiles create potentially significant threats, especially since at one time the a50 also worked in tandem with the 135my, i.e. the aircraft trying to carry out detection of enemy aircraft, and we understand that this spark a50 and su-35 will act as a tandem against our f-16s. we hope that then ukrainian f-16s will operate in tandem with nato aircraft. avax, because these planes just have much better capabilities than the russian

a50 long-range detection plane. this avax aircraft provides the transmission of data on enemy air targets to the f16 fighter. thus, even if our f-16 in the first versions or in the versions that we get will have a shorter range detection, due to the capabilities of the avax aircraft, our pilot will still have... good situational awareness of where the enemy aircraft are. mr. valery, when we talk about the list of weapons, you mentioned air-to-air missiles, but our partners talked about the fact that long-range means of impression will be transferred, which can be used for strikes on the territory of the russian federation, about which means will impress. may be discussed, and will we not encounter a corresponding reaction of the united states, so that

avoid such hostilities against the russian federation? well, here the question is so interesting, it means that here, if we get permission only for harm missiles, yes, that is one thing, but if we get jasm missiles, then we can destroy russian rears at a great depth, because the latter... models of jasm missiles, they have a range of up to 900 km, that is , in fact, we will be able, let's say, to destroy russian ships right in the harbors, but they will not even need to be caught in the sea, or well, it is in crimea, yes, there is none here at all, there will be no obstacles, because crimea allowed in any means. nato missiles that we receive, we can harvest in crimea, but in general, if there is permission to shoot on

russian territory, then accordingly a number of defense enterprises are at risk of being destroyed by these missiles, after all, not 50 kg or 20 kg there, for as our drones now have a warhead, yes, but 450 kg. this is already serious, and i can't help but ask about the price question, because we say that there will be the first six aircraft, then maybe we will go to the figures of up to 50 f-16 aircraft, but mark milik, the former chairman of the us joint chiefs of staff, said that it was quite an expensive pleasure, he said that 10 planes cost billions of dollars, and billions more to get them. dollars, that is , in fact, 10 planes are 2 billion dollars a year. when we talk about 50 such machines there,

the question immediately arises, will we incur these costs, or do we need to balance the number and our economic capacity? well, don't forget about the cost of the weapons that will need to be used, one the amraam missile is already over a million dollars, well, i am amraam with a range of about 102.150 km, but in general it is a very expensive weapon, besides, we are not getting new planes, and indeed the cost... their operation can be very high , but i hope that if we show the result of the use of these aircraft, then i think that the aid from the allies will increase, because you see, it directly depends on our successes, there were successes, we were supplied with more or less weapons there, and i cannot don't ask

about whether or not until... shouldn't we now to take care of increasing the number of pilots who can use these f-16 aircraft, because now we are talking about the optimal figure, there are like 12 pilots, should we still think about increasing the personnel, so that later this will not be a restraining factor in obtaining aircraft. well, we already have a group of young pilots who actually have no combat experience, and they have already... been trained in great britain, and i think that this practice should be continued, and the more pilots we have, the easier it will be for us somehow, so , well, understand, we will receive a maximum of one brigade of aircraft, that's 22 squadrons, 24 aircraft, and the russians can

oppose us with up to 500 aircraft of new models, that is, in terms of numbers, we also... must somehow increase the number of these aircraft, because there will be losses , well, of course, a war is a war, there will be losses of planes and pilots, in relation to the optimal number, well, we need to evaluate the level of losses of planes after some period, at least a few months of combat use of these planes, but for now i think that it is necessary to feed as much as possible pilots, if there is such an opportunity, if there are new sets, that is, from the kharkiv institute of the air force, then it is possible or the university of the air force, yes, it is possible to send our guys as much as possible in order to train not only pilots, but also ground personnel, and we must have a supply of pilots, because the planes, you see, we were promised up to 60 planes,

plus belgium will also be decommissioned , they will be decommissioned... other countries that have improved these machines, well, there are, there are opportunities, i think there are opportunities to increase their number, i think, if all goes well with the united states, in them there are also more than a hundred planes in warehouses, but not in warehouses, there is a storage base in arizona and there are up to a hundred planes, and i think that , after all, it is too early to say about... this will show, the experience of combat operations will show. i hope that the combat experience will be effective enough, and then at the very end of our conversation i cannot but ask about other american aircraft, about the a10 tabolts, which are actually being removed from the armament of the american army, and a number of american publications wrote about the fact that

the minister of the air force the usa spoke about the fact that... ukraine is not interested in receiving these planes, although it seems that there were previous proposals regarding the possible transfer of these planes to ukraine, although the same minister says that the planes are old, the planes are difficult to operate, but a number of ukrainian publications picked up this topic again, that it seems appropriate to take on these planes for the needs armed forces, what are your assessments of such proposals and the rationality of such opportunities? well, you yourself say that the optimal number of pilots is needed for the f16, yes, if we start training pilots for the a10, yes, then it will simply be a suicidal reaction, because this plane, first of all, it is very vulnerable, in fact it is a flying cannon, which is a 30-millimeter cannon

, it is huge, very powerful, you know, its barrel can be put on a bucket, it is like that ... it is huge, yes, a very powerful cannon, but the range of damage is the entirety of the cannon 3 km, that is, the plane will be instantly destroyed, it is designed to operate in conditions of absolute dominance in the air, that is , there should not be any anti-aircraft missile systems in the area of ​​​​its effect, and the russians have a short range of armor there, and there is also an average range of the beech , there is also a long range of the s-300, p... 400, yes, that is, these planes, they won't even be able to hit, hit any enemy, they will be destroyed on approach, i 'm not talking about the fact that this plane is not capable of leading the district. combat, it's not versatile, it's just an attack plane, it's not capable of carrying amram missiles and doing some air combat, yes, it doesn't have

a radar station, that is, it's not even capable of detecting enemy aircraft at a long distance to escape in time, it's not fast , and therefore, if we get these planes, it will be a loss of our resources, efforts, and money. because it doesn't matter they will have to be operated, yes, and the flight crew, that is, those who write that we need such planes, well, let them read a little, read something about this plane and the conditions of its use, well, i will say one phrase that the americans believed that they had about 500 of these aircraft there during the cold war, and they thought that they would be enough for two weeks of combat, mr. valerius, thank you very much for these explanations about the a10 and ... about the f-16. let me remind you that it was valery romanenko, an expert, a leading researcher of the state museum of aviation. and then we will talk about our unmanned systems, how they

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i would like to start with the fact that your company has actually developed and provides the use of various unmanned systems, including fpv drones of the osa type or under the osa brand, kamikaze attack drones, there is a repulse of kievan rus, which samples of your... drones are currently the most active used on the battlefield and what is in the greatest demand from our military? there is a demand for long-range drones, such as repulse, it is 40 km away, 30 km away, that is, those that hit targets, that is, already behind the contact line, that pass through rebov obstacles, that can be found or... according to coordinates gps, if there is such a possibility, the operators themselves can get to the target,

we are also actively cooperating with the special services for the use of the osa drone, but i cannot say anything here, because this is her closed information, we are now focusing precisely on drones of repulse and... they will already be, as it were, the main brand that will now be supplied to the front. orders for your systems, what about this, who is your main customer now, does the volume of current orders allow you to ensure the planned loading of your production? does not allow at all, and this situation is not only in me, not only in us, so we closed the contract with the national guard. now our guys are working with them on the technology of application in the zaporizhzhia direction, there they are helping them to work more professionally on the line

collision, we periodically go there, that means, but for example, here we are now finishing the production of 500 drones at our own expense, 10 bepaks are actually unmanned. complexes, and there is no contract yet. i met with high-ranking officials, spoke with the heads of uav departments, someone says that there is no funding now for contracting, that is, there are no prospects for long-term contracting, it is clear. we are stopping production this month, and we will wait for the next steps, because every day is a salary expense. it's people who don't hang under reservation, that is, partly we booked someone, partly people are just afraid, because tomorrow they can be taken away. not by

qualifications, but by what is needed, in fact, people are really needed on the front line, but we are worried about the qualifications, the qualifications, engineers, assemblers, electronics technicians, and therefore, we do not see prospects in this direction in the near future months, we are now very focused on the supply of other types of weapons, we are working on it, by the way, the first contact was made, it is for... i think such serious information became the first official supplier agent of deal defense, this is a large german company that supplies iris systems, large radars there and so on, that is, we were the first to become official, passed compliance, we will now work with other large companies, german, french, etc. but in the drone issue of drones, this is the story i told. well

, this story is somewhat strange, because the president also talks about long-term contracts, which our enterprises seem to need, your enterprise has been engaged in since the 14th year the development of unmanned strike systems for various purposes, there is a practice of using them, there are military groups that use your systems, and as i understand it, there is no adequate reaction from the ministry of defense, the ministry of defense, and the state intelligence service, that is, there is no order for yours at all. neither to osa, nor to repulse, nor to kyivan rus, so it turns out, well , look, massively osa, that is, only the special services with which we work quite closely, they work for their tasks with us, but this is separate work outside the state special forces and the ministry of defense, that is, the wasp of the wasp, which is such a military-type analogue of mavik, so they are only now finding out that these drones, which are

about... which i spoke about, yes, they fulfill their own mission, but you can't spend the budget, 80% of the budget is only on fpv drones, which they don't work, how big their losses are, that's why long-range bombers need to be financed, but not necessarily kamikazes either, not necessarily those that are at 800, we also have kyivska rus at 800, but this line, line 40, 30 , 40, 50, 60 km. it is not currently contracted by the ministry of defense, not contracted the general staff, the general staff makes applications, and so far the funds, as of yesterday, i have information on contracting, they said that there is no for this type of drones, well, this is also strange to me, but the situation is such that there are many manufacturers who are not contracted , you can make an increase in the market and ask who has which?

capacity, to what extent they are contracted under these applications and to be able to really plan your life, the life of your company for the near future, this is not available now, maybe someone is fully contracted, i have not yet seen such people, well, yesterday, it seems, there was a statement from komishin who said that, relatively speaking, we are loaded there for 2 billion, we can... you can produce products there for 20 billion, if i am not mistaken, and we need to look for foreign money so that for foreign the money was ordered from our enterprises, and maybe then there is another version, surely it can still reduce the number of enterprises that manufacture, but load them with work adequately in order to have, well, guaranteed quality and guaranteed quantity of products, because the impression is that you do not the only enterprise that does not has contracting, in particular, there is athlon avia

as well... the leading company says: i don't have volumes for the next year, and in fact, in two months, he also ends up in a situation where he will not have orders for the future, and he is looking for variations, how to get out of this story. well, look, then there was no need to tell everyone that everyone who has the capabilities, capacity and permission to operate and received nato codes will all be contracted. these were statements. not one minister, not only fedorov there, not only not only the minister of defense, not only the chief of the general staff, everyone said , including the president, said that everyone who passes and we can supply, all will be contracted, these words passed everywhere, at all meetings we were told and so on, but this is not so, that is, everything turned out to be even in such a way that there is a skew.