in ws, such as on vampire complexes, and for the destruction of drones, the cost of such a missile is $25,000, for comparison, the cost of the shahed, well, somewhere up to 200 thousand, $150-200,000, that is, we can do it with the help of f16, if there are even older models , we will be able to destroy the russian shaheds quite effectively and cheaply, but for... in general, the question is, you know, inexhaustible, equipment, such different options of weapons, so it is better if you ask some such more specific points, because here i can tell a lot, because they know these quite well machines, i see quite a lot of them, well then it actually turns out that we will have to form such tactics where we have advantages, that is where we act, if our radar is worse than the enemy’s, and the missile is better, then for sure we rather, we will get involved in... air defense tasks, and not

some aerial duels, where we will definitely have, well, worse indicators and greater risks, so probably now the tactics of using these f-16s will rather be directed to air defense tasks. well i think it is the imperative, the primary imperative that will be facing these aircraft, because you see the russians are now using the x-69 missiles. they, which fly at a lower altitude, sometimes break through our air defense systems, we have a shield, i remind you that this is valery romanenko, an official expert, we are currently recruiting our guest, we are talking about f-16s, which should arrive already in the summer, or before the summer, as our partners say, the main purpose of these multifunctional aircraft may be different. but everything depends on the modification of

the planes and the weapons that will be on them planes have been handed over to our partners, also valery romanenko especially also emphasizes that it is extremely important that we get these planes with radio-electronic warfare systems, which will primarily provide important protection of these planes against russian guided missiles, it is extremely important, because this is precisely will be another ... indicator of the improvement of the efficiency of our aircraft and their protection against the russian threat, because the russian so-35 aircraft are armed with the x-33 missiles there, which have a range of up to 300 km, as they say, and in fact, this combination has been detected in russian long-range aircraft up to 300 km, plus these long-range missiles create potentially...

significant threats, especially since at one time the a50 also worked in tandem with the su-35s, i.e. the aircraft, which is trying to detect enemy aircraft, and we understand that this spark a50, su35 will be such a tandem to act on our f-16s as well. we hope that then the ukrainian f-16 will act in tandem with the nato avax aircraft, because these aircraft have much better capabilities than the russian a50 long-range detection aircraft. this avax aircraft provides the transmission of data on enemy air targets to the f-16 fighter and thus, even if our f-16 in the first versions or in the versions that we will receive will have a shorter detection range, due to the capabilities of the avax aircraft, all exactly our pilot will have good situational awareness of where the enemy planes are.

mr. valery, when we talk about the list of weapons, you mentioned air- to-air missiles, but our partners talked about that long-range means of influence will be transferred, which can be used for strikes on the territory of the russian federation, what means of influence may be in question and... will we not encounter the appropriate reaction of the united states in order to avoid such hostilities against the russian federation? well , the question here is so interesting, it means that here, if we get permission only for harm missiles, yes, that is one thing, but if we get jasm missiles, then we can destroy the russian rear at a great depth, because the latest models of jasm missiles , they... have a range of up to

900 km, that is, in fact, we will be able, let 's say, to destroy russian ships right in the gas. they won’t even need to be caught in the sea, or, well, it’s in crimea, yes, there aren’t any here at all, there won’t be any obstacles, because crimea is allowed, any nato resources that we receive, we can harvest in crimea , well, in general, if there is permission to shoot on russian territory, then accordingly a number of defense enterprises fall under. the threat of destruction by these missiles, after all, it is not 50 kg or 20 kg for like ours now uavs have a warhead, yes, but 450 kg is already serious, and i can’t help but ask

about the price, because we say that there will be the first six aircraft, then maybe we will reach the figure of up to 50 f-16 aircraft, but... . mark milik, the former chairman of the us joint chiefs of staff, talked about the fact that it is quite an expensive pleasure, he said that 10 planes cost billions of dollars, and to get them another billion dollars, that is , in fact, 10 planes are 2 billion dollars per year. when we are talking about 50 of them machines, the question immediately arises, will we incur these costs, or do we need to balance the quantity and our economic capacity? well, do not forget about the cost of the weapons that will need to be used, one amraam missile is already more than a million dollars, but i am amraam with a range of 120-100 50 km, but in general very expensive

weapons, besides, we are not getting new ones planes, indeed, the cost of their operation can be very... high, but i hope that if we show the result of the application these planes, then i think that the aid from the allies will increase, because you see, it directly depends on our successes, there were successes, we were supplied with more or less weapons, but i can’t help but ask whether we are now concerned with... increasing the number of pilots that can use these f-16 aircraft, because now we are talking about the optimal figure, there are like 12 pilots, don't we still need to think about increasing the personnel, so that later it is not a restraining factor in receiving

planes well, we already have a group of young pilots training with us, actually without combat experience, and they have already been trained in... in great britain, and i think that this practice should be continued, and the more pilots we have, the easier it will be somehow , so , well, understand, we will receive one, at most, one brigade of aircraft, that is 22 squadrons, 24 aircraft, and the russians can oppose us with up to 500 aircraft of new models, that is, in terms of number, we are also somehow underpowered. the number of these planes, because there will be losses, of course, war is war, there will be the loss of aircraft, the loss of pilots, regarding the optimal number, well, we need to see, evaluate the level of aircraft losses after a certain period, at least a few months of combat

use of these aircraft, but for now i believe that it is necessary to feed as many pilots as possible, if there is such an opportunity, if... new sets from the kharkiv institute of the air force, is it possible or the university of the air force, yes, it is possible to send our guys as much as possible to train not only pilots, but also ground personnel, and we must have a supply of pilots, because planes, you you see, we were promised up to 60 planes, plus, belgium will also be decommissioned, other countries that have perfected these machines will also be decommissioned, well, there are, there are opportunities, i think there are opportunities to increase their number, i think that if everything goes well with in the united states, they also have more than a hundred aircraft in warehouses, but not in warehouses, in arizona there is a storage base and

up to a hundred aircraft there, and i think that , after all, it is too early to say about the optimal number, it will show. will show combat experience . i hope that the combat experience will be effective enough and i can't do it on my own the end of our conversation is not to ask about other american planes. about the a10 and tanbolts, which are actually being removed from the armament of the american army, and a number of american publications wrote about the fact that the secretary of the us air force said that ukraine was not interested in receiving these aircraft, although there were apparently previous proposals for the possible transfer of these aircraft to in ukraine, although the same minister says that the planes are old, the planes are difficult... to operate, but a number of ukrainian publications picked up this topic again, which seems appropriate

take on such objectives for the needs of the armed forces, what are your assessments of such proposals and the rationality of such opportunities? well, you yourself say that the optimal number of pilots is needed for the f16, right? if we start training pilots for the a10, yes, then it will be just a suicidal reaction, because this plane... first of all , it is very vulnerable, in fact it is a flying cannon, which is a 30-millimeter cannon there, it is huge, very powerful, you know , its barrel can be put on it with a bucket of such a huge diameter, yes, it is a very powerful gun, but the range of damage is guns 3 km, that is, the plane will be instantly destroyed, it is designed to operate in conditions of absolute domination. in the air, that is, there is not, there should not be any anti-aircraft missile systems in the area of ​​its effect, and the russians

have a short-range armor there, yes, there is also an average range of a beech, there is also a long-range s-300, s-400, yes, that is, these planes, they will not even be able to hit, hit any enemy, they will be destroyed on approach, i am not talking about the fact that this plane is not capable of air combat, it is not universal, this just an attack aircraft, it is not capable of carrying amram missiles and conducting any air battles, right? it does not have a radar station, which means that it is not even able to detect an enemy aircraft at a long distance in order to escape in time. it is not fast, and therefore, if we get these planes, it will be a loss of our resources, efforts, and money, because we will still have to operate them. yes, and the flight crew, that is, those who write about the fact that we need such planes, well, let them

read a little, read something about this plane and the conditions of its use, well, i will say one phrase, that the americans believed that they had about 500 of these aircraft there during the cold war, and they believed that they would be enough for two weeks of combat. mr. valery, thank you very much for these explanations about both the a10 and the f-16, i will remind you what it is. was valery romanenko, an expert, a leading researcher of the state aviation museum, then we will talk about our unmanned systems, how they help the defense forces, but after the advertising information break, if the throat is not ok, make a snicker, make it ok, choose your taste without pain coffee, and also talk, laugh, sing, evcalor, exclusively in the plantain near bagomfar. there are discounts on linux forte capsules of 15%

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greetings, greetings. i would like to start with the fact that your company actually... has developed and provides the use of various unmanned systems, including fpv drones of the osa type or under the osa brand, kamikaze attack drones, there is a repulse of kyiv rus, which models of your drones are currently most actively used in battlefield and what is the greatest demand from ours military? there is a demand for long-range drones such as interceptors. it is for 40 km, for 30 km, that is, those that hit the targets, that is, behind the line of contact, that pass through rebov obstacles that can be proved, or by gps coordinates, if there is such a possibility, or by er, already by operators can reach

the goal themselves, we also actively cooperate with services. special for the use of the osa drone, but i can’t say anything here, because this is closed information, right now we are focusing precisely on interception drones and they will already be, if, well, the main brand, which now it will be supplied to the front, the order is for your systems, what about this, who is your main customer from... now, does the volume of current orders allow you to ensure the planned loading of your production? does not allow at all, and this situation is not only with me, not only with us, it means that we closed the contract with the national guard, now our guys are working with them on the technology of application in the zaporizhzhia region, there they are helping them

to work more professionally on the front line. we periodically go there, so, and, but for example, this is where we are now we are finishing the production of 500 drones, 10 bepaks, in fact, unmanned aircraft complexes at our own expense, and so far there is no contract, i met with high-ranking officials, spoke with the heads of uav departments, someone says that there is no funding now for... for contracting, i.e. there are no prospects for long-term contracting, it is clear, this month we are stopping production, and we will wait for the next steps, because every day is the cost of salaries, these are people who are not hanging under the armor, that is, we are partly someone booked, partly people are just afraid,

because tomorrow they may be picked up without qualifications. and because of what is actually needed on the front line, people are really needed, but we are worried about the qualifications , the qualifications, engineers, assemblers, electronics technicians, and therefore, the prospects in this direction so far, we do not see in the coming months, we have focused now we are working very hard on the supply of other types of weapons, and by the way, the first contact was, i think, so serious. information became the first official supplier agent deal defense, this is a large german company that supplies iris systems, large radars there and so on, that is, we were the first to become official and passed compliance, we will now work with other large companies, german, french, and so on in the drone production

of drones, this is the story as i told it, well , this is the story... which is strange, because the president also talks about long-term contracts, which our enterprises seem to need, your enterprise has been developing unmanned attack systems since the 14th year for different purposes, there is practice of use, there are military groups that use your complexes, and as i understand adequately the reaction from the ministry of defense, there is no minister of state special communications, that is, there is no order at all on your or on osuna. neither for repulse, nor for kievan rus, that's how it turns out, well , look, mass wasps, that is, only the special services, with which we work quite closely, they are for their own tasks. we have work going on, but it is a separate work outside the state special forces and the ministry of defense, that is, the osu osu, which is such a military analogue of the mavik, so

they are only now finding out that these drones in pv, which i spoke about, yes, they fulfill their mission, but you can't spend the budget, 80% of the budget is only for their drones, which don't work under rebo, what a big loss. .. theirs, so it is necessary to finance long-range bombers, but not necessarily kamikaze ones, not necessarily those that are 800, we also have kyivska rus at 800, but this line, line 40, 30, 40, 50, 60 km, it is not currently contracted by the ministry of defense, not contracted by the general staff, the general staff submits applications, and so far funds, as of yesterday i have information on the contract. they said that there are no drones of this type, well, this is also strange to me, but the situation is such that

there are many manufacturers who are not contracted, you can make a cross section of the market and ask who has what capacities, how much they are contracted by these these applications, and so that you can really plan your life, the life of your company for... the near future, this is not available now, maybe someone is fully contracted, i have not seen such people yet, well, yesterday, it seems, there was a statement from komyshin, who said that, relatively speaking, we are loaded there for 2 billion, we can produce products there for 20 billion, if i am not mistaken, and we need to look for foreign money so that orders are made at our enterprises for foreign money, and maybe then there is another version, probably still can decrease. the number of enterprises that manufacture, but to load them with work adequately in order to have, well, guaranteed quality and guaranteed quantity of products, because the

impression is that you are not the only enterprise that does not have contracting, in particular there, as well the leading company says, i don't have volumes for the next year, and in fact , after two months, the same situation arises when he will not have an order for the future and he is looking for variations like this one. and go out, well, look, then there was no need to tell everyone that everyone who has power capabilities and permission to operate and received nato codes will all be contracted. these were the statements of more than one minister, not only fedorov, not only, not only the minister of defense, not only the chief of the general staff, everyone said, and the president including, he said that everyone who passes and can be, er... supply, everyone will be contracted, these words passed everywhere, at all meetings we were told and so on, but this is not so, that is, everything turned out exactly like this ,

that there is a bias in such cheap drones, which burn en masse on the front line, and high-tech things, in which funds are invested, minds are invested, intellectual potential, time, finances and so on are invested there. they, they turn out to be in a secondary place, and we have such an opinion that it is probably easier there, it's somehow easier to carry out some, let's say, incorrect procedures, so that this drone was understood, it was assembled from a chinese kit, everything went quickly, everything was clear and so on, and where there is a technological process, there is a serious engineering investment. where development needs to be constantly invested in the rend, there it is already more difficult and therefore less financed, but it is really

needed on the front line, and we are not fighting only in a 10 km zone, we need to destroy those means of impression for 30, 40, 60 km , which the opponents have, means of suppression, headquarters, decision centers and so on. and it needs to be developed, yes, maybe at the first stage it doesn’t work, you don’t get these impressions, but you change the frequencies, you work on it, it’s a constant investment of your resources, your resources, your people’s resources, a risk, because we , we leave the collision zone, risk the equipment that is not contracted, which we take ourselves, at our own expense, we charge a volunteer. we also invest funds to go abroad and improve our domestic equipment, so that we don't have to buy it all the way abroad. and these things

we need to develop, it is us constantly. but we have been saying this since the very beginning of this executive committee-scale invasion , yes, we have been saying this since the 14th year, but a stage has come when, here are simple solutions, yes, to make there enterprises that quickly produce fpv, which means that even some deputies are already saying, oh my what needs to be done is that there is a lot of money, it is easy to recruit students there or collect this one in the kitchen and so on, that is. everyone saw that there was money there, it was easy, i bought a complete set, yes, it comes later and so on, but i did everything is gone, it is not protected from the enemy, it, it flies 10% to the target, yes, well, i am here, the first person who showed the fpv drone to the diligent commander-in-chief is sitting, i first showed him, he saw it for the first time on the training ground, when the americans

tested theirs, we... showed our impressions at the test sites, we brought this, this story to the armed forces, but it was overlooked, ftv was overlooked then by other developments, in which no less than cheap drones need to be invested make serious investments and investments and contract those companies that make something more than simple fp-drones, and that's not the case now. and 80% of the budget goes to such cheap drones, and you talk to the guys on the front line, who now need means, not only for 10-15 km, but also further, and they, and they are not purchased, they, they are not invested in funds, this is such and such a story, and i am not the only one who is so sad about the punisher, ask the punisher, we recently talked with a conditional speaker there.

they talked, but here it is, this is a story that i don’t know, maybe a month has changed, we’re back , it’s distorted and she doesn’t have to live like this anymore, they have return. and engage in high-tech things, because this is the perspective, this is the future, unfortunately, of the war that has ended, well, then i will ask about, on the one hand, about the new official, about the head of a new kind of unmanned forces, does he understand these risks, with on the one hand, have you met with him, and on the other hand, it actually turns out that this procurement system based on the creation of these

state agencies, which are based only on cost indicators, then de facto this system actually goes against those things , which you say that by purchasing cheap samples we will never have money for such things that will be resistant to the slave, more reliable, more complex, but at the same time more expensive, so it turns out, eh, it's a little bit wrong, no, no, a little bit wrong, the procurement agency headed by marina bezruka, it is actually like a military bank, which is given orders by the general staff, what to purchase and where to purchase, and therefore, it actually fulfills the orders and needs given by the general staff, so here on they cannot be said that they are not in the right system, the problem is that we don't understand who in the general staff makes the final decision, at least until today we didn't understand it,

so because... the previous orders that were, i can already say, orders came where 70 % are not obscure companies, but some of those drones that are inserted into the pvi in ​​the purchase were inserted, they did not even have certification, you can imagine, that is, we went through 5 months of certification of tests on the front line, on training grounds, and so on, we reached contracting , we were not contracted, but... but at the same time, companies that did not have certification were promoted, but at the same time they were given orders to be financed, that is, some companies are generally incomprehensible on the market, there were, there were such questions, i don’t know how it will be now, and this is the first , secondly, in fact, under the previous leadership of derspetszvyazuk , all that, well, in a word, indicators were taken. come and not

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