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andriy yanitskyi, and today's second guest is boris babin, ex-representative of the president of ukraine in the autonomous republic of crimea. mr. boris, congratulations. alaykum salaam. therefore, the black sea security conference of the international crimean platform was held in bulgaria. your colleague was there, and i know that you know the details of what was discussed there, and the significance of this conference for the future liberation of crimea. tell us the details. and why bulgaria in your opinion. well, look, this conference is already the second, it is the black sea security conference, so it is held in the black sea countries. last year it was romania and it was the first conference. on the ukrainian side, the responsible bodies are primarily the ministry of defense and the ministry of foreign affairs, so this is a certain specificity of this conference, it is expert in a certain dimension, that is , experts gathered on the first day, diplomats and representatives of the states participating in the crimean platform on the second day. what's here

can you say first of all, it is good that it is being held, it is good that we are learning to be consistent, because this is an annual conference, it should take place and provide an appropriate update. my colleague olesya tsybulka also from the crimean integration association had the opportunity to speak at this conference. what can be said about its meaning? first of all , it is necessary to strengthen the institutional capacity of the crimean platform, especially in the expert dimension. therefore, my colleague and i... let's say, remotely, we just presented those improvements that were previous, these were held by the ksetar resource center at the future of crimea strategic forums, we held three of them in the last two years, just the last forum, which was in march, was dedicated to increasing the institutionalization of the crimean platform, primarily the expert network, because if we we have an expert network, it should work, so experts should give what they are called experts, not because... i came to the tv studio in a crib, yes,

but because i have to give a certain intellectual product, a certain meaningful, like they say, the cost price, which is then put on the table, put on the table by the participating states, international organizations, in order for a person to write something, it is necessary that, first, someone pays something for it, and second, that she is responsible for it and has a certain status, we have already had the crimean platform for three years, and we still don't see answers to these questions, and that's why the corresponding internal regulatory documents were just finalized, you know, it's a purely tedious job, first of all, at first glance, a bureaucrat. they don't like bureaucracy here they like slogans, so that a person spoke with a beautiful high platform, said something, then she left this platform and what's next, so what's next, we worked, the appropriate additions will be provided to the crimean platform itself, and the expert network, then already the ball is in their court, they will, let them approve or not, let them continue to exist as they exist, i mean exactly the expert dimension, and with regard to the interstate dimension, it is also important, we have to prepare certain interstate agreements, which is no less regarding the office of the crimean platform, it is...

institutionalized, it must be enshrined, not only at the level of the declaration, it is good that they are approved, but at the level of certain agreements, so that this system grows into what we call a mechanism, what we call certain structural movements, and that it is just a network that unites states, that unites in constant interaction, it should be an international state, it should have relevant offices and so on, a full-fledged international supranational structure, then it will work, as far as i understand myself... crimean platforms were born when there was an idea to return crimea by diplomatic means even before the full-scale military invasion of russia, and then it seemed that the topic of crimea was dying out in the international information space, so we came up with this format crimean platform, let's draw the world's attention to the crimean issue and spread it somehow , let's increase it, now already in the dimension of a full-scale invasion, when there is a hot war and when on the territory of... crimea

, something actually explodes every day, and we see that crimea will be liberated after all by ukrainian forces weapons, no sooner than diplomatic efforts, what is the role of the crimean platform, it is preparing an adaptation... well, look, first of all, the fact that it was created is actually very good, because maidanchyk has to discuss only the word crimea, yes, very convenient , you know, talking about coffee in yalta, cheburek or sarai there is insulting, but there is another dimension, there is a dimension of real integration before the occupation, there is a dimension of violation of international law, crimea became a precedent and a negative precedent for an attempt at annexation, so this is exactly what it is . this mechanism of the crimean platform, it was very successful step, therefore, if we recall the history of the crimean platform. then it was created even before the full-scale invasion, as an instrument of such diplomatic influence on other countries in order to raise and make the crimean issue more visible, and then it seemed that this was the right way, because there were no other instruments, but today we we see that during the already heated phase of the war in crimea

, something explodes every day, and we understand that crimea will be liberated by the force of ukrainian weapons, here are diplomatic efforts, they are on the second the place is leaving, what role does the crimean platform have now? what is it doing, preparing crimea for deoccupation, reintegration or measuring the situation that is currently in crimea, what is its role? look, well , first of all, indeed, when it was created, it was a platform for increasing attention to the crimea, but not yet in the dimension, you know, such a utopian one, it is very convenient to say there, tomorrow coffee in yalta, the day after tomorrow there will be a concert in yalta, there are chebureks in bakhchesarai, it adds likes, yes, it is normal for politicians, but there is another dimension, there is a dimension of reality. work so and so this step was really timely then, because it was not just diplomatic, as they say, table talks, that is, conversations, it was precisely raising crimea on the agenda, as a precedent, a negative precedent, an attempt at annexation, an encroachment on the entire world legal order, on , as they say, the rules of the game that are recognized

by civilized nations, and that's why it, as they say, shot, and our enemies took it very painfully, because they knew what it could lead to, in terms of how to liberate crimea, this, you know, here... the mantra about diplomatic ways, i can say, whoever wants to, let him check that i have always said a very simple thing: it is impossible to return something that was taken by military means, not by military means, even if we carry out the return without, imagine, imagine, without active hostilities , it should still be a military operation, because the russians occupied crimea in february 14 with little bloodshed. yes, but a military operation in particular, and other ways, as they say, of controlling the territory during an armed conflict do not exist, so all these mantras are mantras, yes, and we are people of the real world, therefore, as an example , it is really important that today within the crimean platform there is at least this separate security mechanism, which is carried out, let's say, more

by the military than by diplomats, despite this, despite this, in terms of ways and strategy, we have to work out our agenda , but just today we and our colleagues, with several ministries... held just such a security conference already in kyiv, and it's very simple: look, we already have nine agreements on security and support for ukraine, which we have signed this year, great britain, germany, france and so on, the czech republic is being prepared there, and we will be grateful to any country in the civilized world that signs this agreement with us, an agreement is being prepared with the united states, and in these individual agreements there is such a position, assistance to ukraine in preparation of plans and strategies for reintegration to the occupied. territory, on the one hand , it is very good that our partners say that it is really necessary to reintegrate it, right, on the other hand, this is such a bell, because it means that our partners understand that we have these plans are not all right, we need help, and this is, sorry, a certain diagnosis, if it is even spelled out in the agreements, then we

see today, but these agreements, they have recommendations of god, no, this is a contract, this is, sorry, the government and your majesty, we have seen a lot of contracts. which, unfortunately, have not had their security effectiveness over time, for example, the budapest memorandum, the budapest memorandum is a renegade, and those who signed it should actually be responsible for the fact that it was signed as it was, these agreements, this is not a piece of paper uh, these are more very serious things, so that you understand, in the agreement with great britain , ukraine has an obligation to help great britain in case of an attack on great britain, this can be taken skeptically, but once a long time ago great britain... a similar agreement with portugal, this was in the 14th century, this is how they still perform it, so that you understand how in this world, from civilized countries, they treat this kind of paper, as you say, these are not pieces of paper, it is very important, and today an example is such, you know, i with all due respect to all countries to have these agreements, this is an agreement with

by the united states, which today, says mr. yarmak from journalus, we have to believe him that it is preparing to sign, but at the same time in the same. the united states should vote for aid to ukraine, and what they say that aid to ukraine, most likely it will be voted on, is tied to some kind of obligation of the white house to develop. a strategy for helping ukraine, that is, there must be a certain plan, and most likely this will be announced, and if we have a certain plan, then there must be something, a strategy for the reintegration of de-occupation, that's right, and here ukraine has something set the table, and when we held this second strategic forum on the future of crimea with mr. bariyev, and we gathered a lot of experts, very different people, but then, when we presented it in ukrinform, one respectable person, it was not me who said it, but the former adviser to one of the prime ministers, currently he is a doctor of sciences, a professor. and he blurted out, you know, that we researched this plan, we wrote

our comments on 40 sheets, sent it to the relevant ministries in vienna, we didn’t even publish it, because we can’t do that to publish, excuse me, under war conditions, but he said, it is very good that this document is written in such a way that it is simply impossible to translate it into english, there is such a ukrainian bureaucratic language, such constructions, it simply cannot be translated, and it is, as they say, how it wasn't tragically lost, it's good, because if you translate it. and to put our partners on the table, it would be sabotage, you understand, because if they read it, and they are not supposed to provide assistance under these documents, and not only funds, i'm sorry, because this military component and the financial component of aid, which ukraine vitally needs, is important, we do not have the right to submit to our partners for consideration, excuse me with all due respect for some strategies about cognitive milioration, because these strategies are read by our partners, they decide to give us funds for this, which we vitally need under conditions of war or not to give? we should all understand that such things cannot be treated, sorry, as things for collecting likes, as

things for internal, sorry, use, this is currently a vital issue of the ukrainian state, quality plans reintegration, we talked about this in sofia, my colleagues, and the strategy for ensuring the security of the black sea water area we have already agreed or not within the framework of this conference. the aggressor was excluded by the danube commission, ugh, this is a very even path, in fact, from many dimensions, starting with the fact that today the danube is a vital trade artery for us, and i will not even discuss the military component, but the international component is clear, because russia was sitting there as the legal successor of the ssr, not a danube state, she said: we are temporarily not a danube state, you understand what they said there, but a huge amount of work was done, and our association for the integration of crimea and others proved that there was a violation and it was excluded. this is important, this is the second organization that i know, the first was the council of europe, from which russia was precisely expelled for violating international law, and we have to

work further. we have a situation with turkish. turkey is a key player in the black sea region. turkey is vital for us and for further support the resistance of the crimean people against aggression, and the support of our meetings before the occupation of crimea. we have to work with this country. we have to prove that we have a common position regarding security in the region, regarding various dimensions of its security. well, for example, you know, maybe there is such a thing as the syrian express, so when the aggressor transports cargo to syria, it is stolen grain, and military equipment, and something in syria, to the ports of the black sea, maybe you know, among other things, so that syria is not just a regime that destroys own population, on which they build their budget, the so-called, you know, there they have little left for the drug trade, syria has become a supplier of drugs for the entire arab world, for a large part. eastern world, right? and this is transported, in particular

, to the occupied crimea, excuse me, by bulk carriers, sea vessels, and this is already, excuse me, a dimension that even goes beyond the traditional dimensions of security, and by the way, these nine agreements, i did not just mention it , they put risks there that come from our occupied territories, we generally hardly even discuss individual risks, an example is organized crime, which uses the occupied territory as a corresponding gray zone, and this is precisely what worries many countries, and we have to share this concern with them and provide tips on how to to help with this, because for example the same occupation administrations, so-called in occupied crimea, in melitopol, and in genichesk, they are merged with the mafia, right, not just, of course the russians rely simply on criminals, not just you know, on collaborators or on criminals against the state, this is a general criminal crime, for example human trafficking, yes pedophilia. excuse me on an industrial scale, so that you understand the situation regarding crimea, and

we have to put this issue on the table of our partners with evidence and proof, and not just disrespect to talk about the cognitive impact on the population of the occupied territory. meanwhile , on the territory of the occupied peninsula, we see how russia violates and continues to file criminal cases against representatives of, for example, the crimean solidarity, and this week we saw that russia opened the next one. and other crimean tatars, and also this week there was news that russia is planning to conscript into its army in crimea. another 15,000 people, this is how you evaluate this latest news and are there any recommendations for citizens of ukraine living in the territory of the temporarily occupied territory, how to escape from the ranks of the russian army of the russian federation, you know, this is an old problem here, and on she always has answers that are contradictory, why,

because we have slogans and we have life, well, certain ones slogans, so not by example, so go go to... by example, the general question is how to be a crimean tatar in this situation, there are two options, wait and leave, someone says, from respectable people, wait, the question is what you can wait, you understand, my advice to everyone who is at risk of leaving the occupied territories, you can return, it is tragic, this is a very tragic story, leaving the historical homeland, i understand that, but it is better to return alive, to return your own family, than to become another ... victims occupiers, this choice must be made, and today we see that directly, let's say, this may, most likely, well, there will not be a ukrainian flag over bakhchesarai, and in these situations, to say that everything will be fine tomorrow already tomorrow, you can’t, you know that, it ’s a certain, as they say, responsibility to say so, and therefore i would advise you to always assess the situation in the following way, if you are in a

risk zone, and the risk zone is very wide, in fact it is any conscripted crimean tatar youth, it any person who... has done anything socially active in their life, this is a person of faith, yes, because we see how they painfully treat any really believing person, this applies not only to the crimean tatars, they persecute several religious groups, for them any association, no just as they say from above, and any unification from below based on the separation of certain spiritual values, for them it is a danger, uh, and therefore such a person, to be there on the peninsula, is a risk zone, and i always said that, the number defines political prisoners in the crimea only. system how much they can digest and sorry to fight them simply with help or help to families, or by increasing this attention to international platforms, all this should be done, but it will not solve the problem, it is emptying the sea with a spoon, we will release 20 people tomorrow, we will exchange them, there will be some mechanism, they will be 100 the day after tomorrow new ones will be imprisoned, well , because the entire nation is simply being held hostage, yes , the entire nation, and in order for the nation not to be

held hostage, reducing the number of hostages is sad, but it is the truth that we have to deal with. well, that is, if i understand correctly, now we see that negotiations are underway between ukraine and turkey regarding the release of crimean tatar prisoners, but in the meantime we saw the news that russia does not really want to release the crimean tatars, specifically the crimean tatars, there are still agreements regarding prisoners of war, but if we are talking about political prisoners, russia simply doesn't want to, why do you think? well, look, the question is that there is a question. exchange of prisoners of war, often the aggressor is interested, as they say, in exchanges in order to obtain certain categories of his prisoners of war, this is not a secret, but therefore they go for it in general, yes, with regard to civilian hostages, they have a standard position, it is very difficult, they are very reluctant to go for it, of course, you can always offer

such, as they say, clients that they cannot refuse, but there are certain questions here, and do we have these clients, right? here is a question for our law enforcement officers, we have a huge number of bodies regarding crimea, we see a lot of certain decisions made in absentia, this right is correct, let something be done in 10 years, but let's be honest, if we had more arrests of those collaborators, which on the mainland, believe me, they are there, here one should have not only a certain legal knowledge, a certain political will, for example regarding those owners of the real beneficiaries of businesses in the crimea, right? if we had several business beneficiaries, well, we modeled them, they are behind bars, like medvedchuk, would mr. putin or his crimean henchmen agree to an exchange, this is a lot of money, these are the beneficiaries, they know a lot, believe me, they would exchange everyone crimean tatar hostages, but this requires political will, and regarding the role of turkey, and turkey is an intermediary that

has its own interest, turkey has a lot of its own interests, they should be treated with respect, it is... an independent state, it has democracy as the basis of governance, there are also democratic, competitive processes, and there are a lot of interests in turkey, it depends on geostrategic interests, political interest, competition of political forces, we see the results of local elections, they are, let's say, special, painful for someone, joyful for someone, but the next election will follow, and in this, and it affects the politics of turkey, and the third situation with all due respect to turkish. this is an economic crisis, uh, there is an economic crisis, and today they have, well, they want, frankly, to have economic profits from all sides, this is life, we have to take it into account, so... that's why we have to perceive such mediation taking into account these three , as they say, factors, and these three factors are objective and we cannot criticize them for turkishness, it is their life, of course, it is interesting that in occupied, in

occupied crimea, the russian authorities began to detain not only crimean tatars, not only ukrainians, yesterday there was news that they detained russian neo-nazis, who seem to have organized their activities with imperial flags, here is such a... interesting people all wearing tattoos with various elements similar to the swastika, what are they, they are connected to the special services of ukraine, propagandists and at the same time they are like that are connected with ukraine, that is, for them there is not even a formal principle, that if you are a russian nationalist, then you are safe, if you are disloyal to putin, they will come to you anyway, that has always been the case. what would be the specifics before the 22nd year? look, that's what i'm talking about said many times, this is a mantra for some diplomatic ways, right? unfortunately, this is a policy that someone tried

to fight with, then had problems because of it, so someone just turned a blind eye to it. when we talk a lot about political prisoners, about crimea and allow the most powerful ukrainian beneficiaries to have business there, we do not punish collaborators, a person who just lives in crimea, as they say, who, excuse me, has some life experience there, she is... . sees everything, she perceives it critically, correctly, and she understands the situation before in the 22nd year, which is very unfortunate, the situation of this gray zone that was there is for a long time, a person adjusts his life, the life of his children, he mostly does not perceive the occupiers as a just and legitimate authority, and this is normal, but he understands that this is for a long time, and that is why a lot of people, both crimean tatars and non-crimean tatars, this challenge is common here, they did not show it until the 22nd year, as they say. their public position, because it is they, as i say, you know, like the soviet era, people always kept this butt, like they say in their pockets, and then in 1991, everything fell apart, although it seems that everyone voted, as

they say, for lenin, stalin and those others, then they say that they stopped. another question is: why, what has changed? after the 22nd year, two things changed. the first thing, even three. the first thing is that everyone understood that this gray area, this gray zone, is not infinite, as they say, it will end. a great war cannot go on for centuries. now. the great war of the 19th century will end in a few years with the defeat of russia in one form or another, this will necessarily lead to a change in the situation in crimea, how is this the second question, but there will definitely be a change, and absolutely everyone understands this, from the gauleiter of crimea to the last, as they say, the crimean bum, what will change is the first, second, second, this, second, this is important, this is the maximum total persecution of ukrainians, that is, for the very fact that you are not just a citizen of ukraine there, that you are an ethnic ukrainian, or you just, you know. you sing a ukrainian song, they began to persecute you for that. and thirdly, these are crimes, or war crimes committed on controlled territory, murder, fratricide, directly,

let's put it this way, the terrible things that the russian federation and posypaks did, these three factors, they affect the consciousness of any crimean, people simply cannot remain silent physically, in them a normal person can no longer restrain himself, that's why it's a wave, and that is why these phenomena became thousands, they were watched by thousands of people in two years until... borys babin was on the air with us, ex-representative of the president of ukraine in the autonomous republic of crimea, as well as gulsum khalilova, who were with us, before meeting koroshkenzhy.

i will start the program today with a stunning one stories of six-year-old sofiyka golynska. the girl lived with her mother in odesa in the city of balta. and imagine, it disappeared at the end of 2020. the police say that the child was kidnapped by her grandmother. lyudmila volynska, and for more than three years it is not known where the woman is hiding her child. it was established that in december 2020 , a woman abducted her three-year-old granddaughter sofya golinska in the baltsky district of odesa region. but until now, their exact location is unknown. lyudmila mykhaylivna golynska 01.04. born in 1968. height about 162-170 cm. thick build. guy's box. hair color can change, eyes are light, has visible birthmarks in the area of ​​the nasolabial fold. previously, there was a version that already during a full-scale war, the child

could be taken abroad. to one of the countries of the european union, and recently the police said that the alleged abductor of the girl, her grandmother, may currently be in kyiv. of course, if you follow her trail, there is a high probability of establishing the whereabouts of the child. but sophia's grandmother carefully disguises herself and constantly changes her appearance, but i am very i hope that one of you will recognize her and help to establish her location and most importantly. in this way, it will be possible to find six-year-old sofiyka golinska. i appeal to everyone, and especially to kiyan. if anyone has seen this woman, does anyone know where she might be? call us immediately on the hotline of the child tracing service at the short number 1163. calls from all mobile operators are free. as for six-year-old sofiyka, now it is very difficult to describe her appearance. imagine, the girl's mother last saw her

little one when sofia was around. only 3 with half a year since then, i don’t know about my child’s fate, in what condition she is, what she looks like, then she was 20 meters tall, she had blue eyes, she was dressed for the last time in a pink pigtail, a head, a bowler hat, a little blue hair, with two pigtails, it was in the 20th year, of course. that in more than three years, sofiyka has grown up and changed, but i don't think that it is so drastic that it is impossible to recognize her, so i ask you to look closely at her face. the girl has big blue eyes and light blond hair, about the same height 110-120 cm. in these photos, she is about 3 years old, but this is one of the last pictures where sofia is about 3.5. of course, the girl's mother has.

let me remind you that now the girl is almost seven years old, of course, she already speaks and expresses normally. my thoughts, i really hope that someone will definitely recognize her and help find her, at least a little news about sofiyka golynska will comfort and reassure her mother. at the moment, i do not know what she looks like and in what condition she is. i am asking for caring people, if you see the approximate age of me marrying her, please please call me, i'm begging you. thank you.

you and i are almost the only hope for mrs. alla, the fate of this child depends on us and you, so it is very important to remember sofiyka's face if you see a child who looks like her somewhere, or if you see her grandmother, who is suspected of kidnapping a child , do not delay and immediately dial the short number of the magnolia children's search service 11630. calls from any mobile operator are free, you can call the hotline from any. time of day, in addition to this, important information can always be passed on using the chatbot of the telegram child search service. we have created a resource through which you can report any crime against a child. in any city, at any time. just go to the site and report, and we will launch all possible mechanisms to punish the criminal. stopcrime ua.

greetings to all viewers of the espresso tv channel. we start the information day with news. khrystyna perubiy works in the studio. a 19-year-old boy was injured as a result of shelling in kharkiv. he was hospitalized with injuries to his limbs. this was reported by the head of the region olek senyuguv. the russians struck the outskirts of the city in the evening. on