made us speaker mike johnson change his mind? i think he was influenced by the conversations with cia director burns and the reports that he had, that he had the opportunity to read, the understanding of the situation and the moment, i assume that his church community was talking about the same thing, that is, ultimately for him this is a very important question, did donald trump have an influence on this? i think that everything turned out in such a way that there was no other way out otherwise, i see that johnson acted very, well, let's say this, statesmanship, he showed a statesmanlike position in the interests of the united states, no matter what, and that he would not be reproached, including by some of his own party members, because otherwise the united states could lose its leadership only because of johnson's position, you see, i think he would not want to be that personality in history because of which... russia would have succeeded in

ukraine, iran would have done whatever it wanted in the middle east, and china would have already been in taiwan. i will only note that now numerous western press, and in particular the american press, are devoted to the changes that took place during these the last six months with mike johnson. thank you very much. oleksandr musienko, head of the center for military and legal research, we talked about western aid to ukraine, how much will it be enough and what will it contribute to? thank you. roman chervinskyi, a former serviceman of the main directorate of intelligence and special operations forces, has had his term of detention extended for another two months until june 17. the day before , chervinsky's lawyers received a ruling from the kirovohrad district court, which states that their client was transferred to kirovohrad remand prison. whether he is really there, the lawyers say they don't know. currently, the case of roman chervinskyi. at the stage of the preparatory court

session. last year, the head of the sbu, vasyl malyuk, without waiting for the court's decision, claimed that roman chervinsky is a scoundrel whose actions led to the death of one ukrainian soldier and wounding of 17 others. a year has passed and there is no verdict for chervinsky. what about his case? we'll talk about that shortly, but first we'll remind you of the nature of the allegations. july 23, 2022, kirovohrad region at five o'clock. in the morning , russian troops attack the ukrzaliznytsia facility and the kanatove airfield with rockets, as a result of which three people die, including one soldier, and 17 others are injured. in addition , this attack leaves ukraine with two fighter jets. eight months later , the security service of ukraine informs military officer roman chervinsky of suspicion of abuse of authority. according to the investigation, chervinsky arbitrarily decided to take possession.

by an aircraft of the russian aerospace forces federation, as reported by ukrainian pravda, the russian pilot allegedly agreed to the offer to go over to the side of ukraine. as a result , the russian military received data on the placement of air force personnel and ukrainian aircraft at the kanatove airfield. on july 23, the organizers of the operation arrived at the kanatove airfield to meet the russian plane, but the pilot, who agreed to cooperate, did not come...fly, instead, rocket fire began. according to the spokesman of the sbu, roman chervinskyi acted despite his refusal to carry out this operation himself by the security service and without the consent of the relevant state authorities. at the same time, andriy yusov, a representative of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, said that gur immediately rejected the idea of ​​hijacking the plane as unrealistic. chervinsky himself repeatedly assured that he agreed his actions with his leadership. which

approved this operation. in a written interview with radio liberty last year, he said that during the special operation, all roles were shared between the armed forces of ukraine and the security service of ukraine. air force and forces of special operations performed and were responsible for the measures that were connected precisely with the flight, the crossing of the front line of the plane, and then its protection and the protection of the pilot. i personally arrived at the airfield at gvyntokryli together with... with servicemen of the air force, as our actions were agreed with the leadership of the air force and sso of all necessary levels. in addition, according to chervinskyi, all measures were authorized by the head of the sbu. at that time, this position was held by ivan bakanov, as well as the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, then valery zaluzhny. this case chervinsky considers it to be revenge on the part of the president's office. after the failure of the wangergate special operation. chervinsky publicly. admitted

that the operation had failed due to a leak from the president's office. let me remind you that within the framework of this special operation, the ukrainian special services planned to lure out and arrest more people from russia. fighters of pmc wagner, but at the last moment the special operation failed. it is worth noting that at that time, some sources interviewed by rfe/rl in intelligence circles agreed with chervinskyi's opinion. the suspicion announced against chervinsky involves punishment, imprisonment for a term of eight to 12 years. consideration of the case itself began on april 12, but the preparatory court session was postponed four times. that's how the meetings were held. april 12, 17, 18 and 19. at that time, actions in support of the accused were taking place at the kropyvnytskyi court. on april 19 , chervinsky's term of preventive measure, namely detention, expired. on the same

day, the fourth court session was held. the lawyers say that they went to all of them, but on the last day they did not have time to return in time to the courtroom after another air alarm. sit down lasted only three minutes, ukrainian media reported with reference to chervinskyi's lawyer. according to her, at the meeting, the prosecutor announced a request to extend the term of detention, the court announced a break and said that the time of the next meeting will be announced later. on april 22 , a notice appeared on the website of the kirovohrad district court that chervinsky's remand was extended for two months. the preparatory court session from... was scheduled for may 24, and the same chervinskyi was transferred to kropyvnytskyi sizo. however , the lawyers have no confirmation of whether he is really there. anastasia potapenko, radio liberty. lyudmila kusa, a lawyer who also represents

the interests of roman chervinskyi in court, has already joined our broadcast. good evening. good evening. lyudmila, when was the last time you saw roman chervinsky? on friday, april, at about 2 o'clock in the afternoon, am i correct, or am i correct in my understanding that even as of now you cannot state that he is in a pre-trial detention center, you this is known from court reports, but you were not there, or have you already managed to visit, i personally have not, i have not been to him yet, my colleagues are planning their visits to him, and i think that they will get to him in the near future. we will not disclose certain points so as not to harm the client. to date, we have indeed received confirmation from the court, from the court's decision, we see that the court has moved him there to kirovohrad sizo, but that's all for now. during this year, as the charges

have changed, if the charges against chervinsky have changed, what are they accusing him of as of now and what is at stake for him as of now? well. there was just a plot in which everything was explained in detail, he is currently in the kiroograd court, there is neither the purpose of roman hryhorovych's actions, nor the intent, with what criminal intent he acted, and these are mandatory elements of any crime, it must be established criminal intent of a person. i remember when a year ago i immersed myself in this case and analyzed, well, as a journalist, the main question before me and my interlocutors at that time. was whether roman chervinsky could organize and implement this whole special operation at the samotuzhka airfield. please tell me whether the investigation and the court gave an answer to this question, whether he organized it on his own, or if someone helped him, well, someone means

the special services, which, as he claims, were involved in the preparation. the investigation believes that he organized and at the same time exceeded the limits of his duties. powers, we, once again , have been proving to the court for a year that this is not the case, now the case is at such a stage that it has gone to the kirovohrad court and will finally be considered on the merits with all evidence, because the pre-trial investigation lasted for a year, where the investigation allegedly collected some evidence, it will now be presented in this court, in this composition of the court, probably the final point will be... the court has already determined whether roman is guilty or not guilty, on conviction the defense side has more than enough evidence that roman did not act on his own, did not organize all this on his own, we repeatedly noted both roman and the witnesses who were questioned at the pre-trial investigation, that he reported to his management

about all his actions and received all accordingly orders to act, that is, he could not act on his own, and he did not act, and the proof. on this is yes, and the management was interrogated at the court? and yes, roman's immediate supervisor, his boss, was questioned at the pre-trial investigation, he also added... he gave an interview to one of the publications in may of the 23rd year of publication, where he noted that he had indeed received such information from roman, after which he reported directly to the commander-in-chief and all the necessary permits for all these actions were obtained. commander-in-chief, you are now talking about valery zaluzhnyi, then the commander-in-chief, and valery zaluzhnyi was sometimes not summoned to his trial, he did not testify in this case? no, unfortunately... you received a court decision back in june of the 23rd year, by which the investigator was obliged

to take such actions, and a year before the court investigation, the investigation did not take these actions, the main witness was actually in the case was never investigated and never interrogated. do you think that valery zaluzhnyi is the main witness in this case? one of the main ones, since romana is blamed for exceeding the power and authority given to him official powers. we prove that roman did not... promote and received the appropriate permissions from his superiors. roman, i'm sorry, lyudmila, but please tell me, i'm just not a lawyer, so i'm sorry, maybe it's a fairly simple question, but valery zaluzhnyi can't plead himself and come to court? the witness himself cannot confess, come to court, the witness must be provided either to the prosecution or the defense, at the time when the pre-trial investigation was ongoing. in fact, valery zaluzhnyi was still the commander-in-chief. understand for yourself, we have as the lawyers have access to the general staff

during the war, in fact, there is no such thing. i can't go to the general staff just like that and say: good afternoon, and please can you find the commander-in-chief here, i will interview him as a lawyer. therefore, we used all the tools. we received a court decision ordering the investigator to perform such an action, the investigator has a much wider range of powers. notice. which is issued as part of criminal proceedings to an investigative witness, it is mandatory for every person in this state, from the president to the very an ordinary, excuse me, person, but the investigation never carried out all these actions, moreover, i will say, even the investigation did not send a single summons to the witness in order to interrogate him, that's why from the moment when the commander-in-chief resigned, and in our the other became the commander-in-chief, unfortunately... there was also no access to such a witness, this is not the witness, there is a phone number

that is freely available, and or some address where you can call, where you can come, invite remind him for questioning as of now, roman chervinsky faces eight to 12 years in prison if he is found guilty. i have one last question, how are the court hearings taking place, are they open or closed, anyone who wants to... can get in, as i understand it, they were the last ones to be held in kirovohrad, and yes, in kirovohrad they are already taking place, i repeat, the case is being considered according to the judge, first they will be questioned directly in court, that's how orally all the witnesses will be examined, absolutely all the evidence will be examined, and this court will decide whether roman is guilty or not guilty, for the time being the court hearings are open, in the future the court may decide to close the hearings completely, or in some specific part, since the case contains certain documents with vultures, so

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13-year-old maksym pivkop, who disappeared on april 14 in the poltava region. it is known that the boy was fishing on the banks of the sula river, near the village of stara musiiivka, but did not return home. on the day of his disappearance , the parents periodically called their son to find out that he was all right. however, later he stopped picking up the phone, so his parents went to see him. they did not find the child on the spot or nearby, so they immediately called for help. currently , law enforcement officers, rescuers, divers, dog handlers and caring local residents are involved in the search operation, but, unfortunately, it has not been possible to find the boy yet, and therefore i ask each of you, and especially the residents of the poltava region, in particular the royal community, to carefully look into maksym's face . in appearance, the child is thin,

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the chas time program of the ukrainian voice of america service is broadcast from washington. i am maria prus. congratulations. the us is preparing a record aid package for ukraine. dollars, this will be the first batch of defense support as soon as the document on more than 60 billion in funding for ukraine becomes law. included in the package artillery ammunition, shells for hymars systems, jevalin anti-tank systems and other weapons. at the same time, most of the american equipment for ukraine is already in warehouses in germany and poland, so it will be able to go to the front quickly. sources in the white house informed voice of america about this. also in the administration. the president confirmed that joe biden will sign the law, presumably this week, as soon as the document is approved by the senate. meanwhile, the corresponding bill is currently under consideration in the senate, all

the details about when it can be adopted and to hand over to president biden for his signature, our congress correspondent kateryna lisonova knows. katya, hello, tell me, please, what is happening in the senate now? congratulations maria, a lot is happening, a very important moment is happening, because literally just voted. legislators in the senate a procedural decision to stop, at least, to stop the possibility of amendments, also to stop some procedural points, for this, in order to move forward further, the vote was 80 for, 19 against, which already shows a lot of support for this bill, then we wait for what will most likely be a certain number of speeches, debates, after which the legislators will move to a vote. moving on the merits, now the main question, the main intrigue remains when exactly they will move on to the bill, the consideration of the bill on the merits, but what

is happening now, and in particular, just a few minutes ago, the speech of the leader of the democrats in the senate, chuck schumer, ended, which urged to finish this matter as soon as possible, to vote everything today, he urges about it's literally all day today and saturday to get everything agreed as quickly as possible to wrap this up as early as today, tuesday, and we're watching closely to see if the legislators actually get it done. maria, yes, katya, tell me, please, are there any changes in the content of the document, or can certain amendments somehow affect the very essence of the proposed project? in fact, the very important point is that chuck schumer made a point of order, a point of order to block. making any amendments, blocked the consideration of any applications, and what they want to do now in the senate is to vote this bill in its pure form, exactly the

same as. he was voted in the house of representatives, why? because if any amendments are made to the bill today, it will mean that the bill will go back to the house of representatives, which will once again delay aid to ukraine, which has already been stuck for six months, like, six months, if not can pass a vote, and so the senate is trying to pass a vote without any amendments, and in particular, chuck schumer, the leader democrats, applied the corresponding clause, respectively, a procedural moment to block the introduction of any amendments, therefore, only the debate and only this moment can delay the consideration of aid to ukraine, the only question is how long the debate between the republicans and the democrats will last, and the only question now that can affect aid to ukraine is only time, whether it will be delayed for a few hours or maybe a day, but now, both republicans and democrats, with whom i personally spoke today and directly, who publicly

they say that the aid to ukraine will most likely go with a huge advantage, with a huge support, and this was specifically called for by both the leaders of the democrats and the republicans this morning, at least that was the speech of both chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell, i suggest you listen to the excerpts their performances today. it's time to wrap things up and help our friends abroad, once and for all, and i've asked my colleagues to come together to pass additional aid as soon as possible today. as soon as possible to send our friends abroad the aid they have been waiting so long for, let's not delay this, let's not drag it out, let's not make our friends around the world wait a minute longer. today, the senate is being tested on behalf of the entire nation, a test of american resolve, our willingness and desire to

lead. the cost of failure will be obvious: failure to help ukraine counter russian aggression now means encouraging escalation against our closest allies and trading partners. that means a greater risk that american forces will be drawn into the conflict, and that means a more costly deployment of our military to defend against aggression. katya, well, not only the leaders of the republicans and democrats, but also other senators have already spoken. tell me what? what did you hear during their speeches? the important point is the fact that now we are approaching more speeches, so to speak, that soon there will be more speeches on this very package, and we will at least listen and monitor them and measure them, so to speak the mood in the senate, both republicans and democrats, regarding this aid package, but as you rightly noted, even in the morning the legislators talked about aid to ukraine, despite the fact that the first question was

not... the aid package to partners, but another question regarding federal aviation in the united states of america, nevertheless, despite the fact that the first question was not about ukraine and this aid package, the first speeches were about these questions, and the legislators spoke primarily in support of the aid to ukraine, and it is interesting that a large number of these speakers were also representatives of the republican party in the senate, they called for continued aid to ukraine, and they also repeated important points. that this money, it does not go directly to ukraine, it goes to factories in the united states of america to produce this defense aid, to replenish the reserves of the united states of america itself, and that it must be remembered that this money primarily strengthens the defense of the united states of america, and that is why this package is actually called a package national security of the united states of america, because all this assistance primarily helps not only partners, but also allies.