for this, readers ' perspectives are needed, these readers' perspectives are terribly interesting to me, because i understand that people with different educations, different backgrounds, simply different preferences than me and my rather narrow bubble, they can offer completely new perspectives that i will then use , let's say in our projects, and this will only make these projects stronger, it's very interesting, here we are, now i'm preparing a lot for a conversation with you, i'm listening to a lot of podcasts, but i've started, i've listened to a lot of it, that i have never heard, for example i listened to gogol's mustache, where stand-up artists talk about books, i listened to ukrlit, yes, where comedians talk about literature, and i see that this is a new language, a new language has been invented, in which you can speak, this is something that my generation does not have at all not much, because he spoke to us... about literature, as something

very not given to everyone, yes, very high, and about which, what should be talked about so a little quietly and with a lot of respect, here people just come in, and just open the door with their feet, so to hamlet, and they just very, very simply even such slang, how they talk about literature, how do you perceive it? how do you listen to it? i perceive it very positively, it seems to me that this formality, this, which was imposed on us, is catastrophic, as soon as a conventional virtual chorus starts to sound from behind, you have to get out of shape, then wear a very long skirt, then immediately something ok, and i think it's great that they are finding this new language, that this language is different, that it is accessible, and i, as an editor, am constantly asked by young authors if it is possible... in the texts

i say: yes, please, let's go, and i give a few examples so that they understand that all this is possible, that we will have more registers, we will have even more opticians, we will have even more different views, then this will be a more interesting project, and i do, i also really like it when new people come in who are not professional literary critics, who are not my fellow students, far, so they can give something completely new and interesting, and their speech is alive, and their minds are very inquisitive. and i am especially pleased when some appear very youthful initiatives, teenage ones, when it takes off in tiktok, when we have a desire not only to steal the rock scene as a star, but also to be a tiktok star, and this seems incredibly valuable to me, because t-tok is now largely making literature and can sell entire editions, and these are all very different techniques, but anything that works for the benefit of literature, i'm for it with both hands, i think that podcasts are generally a very liberal genre ... medium, because even if we take

our you are talking here and now, we are sitting in the studio and we need an incredibly large job the number of people behind the scenes, so that our dialogue with you is realized, and the viewer is not interested in this, he should not even think about it, he should be comfortable and interested, and a debutant podcaster, he cannot afford such a team, but very often he has a smartphone where he can experiment with recording, buy an inexpensive buttonhole. record a conversation alone or with a friend, edit it and pour it, try it, and how will it work, and you talked about gogol's mustache, i know that they started with two loops, and recorded the sound themselves turning the page, it was a very low-budget product, but later, if success comes, if your language is read by your audience, of course you can afford more experiments.

and it's really interesting for me to watch those projects that are growing, but they keep this very liberal spirit. sometimes they also immerse themselves in the expert part, they involve literary experts in their projects, again, and such incredibly interesting interactions take place, but in this there remains such a kind of wildness, which is very healthy. on the other hand, i i really like the cult podcast of volodymyr yarmolenko and tetyana ogarkova, and i think that... the medium of the podcast also allowed them to be more liberal in their conversation, that is, maybe those things that they cannot afford within the framework of lecture courses or books that they have quite formalized, it's a high shelf, definitely, but in the podcast they can allow a certain experiment, which later, maybe will also be expressed in an academic form, or maybe not, but there is a thrill from this experiment, which we as listeners can just in our ears perceive, and it will already move. our thoughts, and

that is why i am very impressed by this freedom that such genres bring, by the way, i listened to gogol's mustache today, i am still under the impression of the conversation. about shakespeare, about shakespeare and about hamlet, where they call hamlet a scourge, and ophelia a harlot, and this, well , this is actually interesting to listen to in this highway and they mention you very often bohdan, they say no, well, this is a smart guy, let's not be this smart guy, because it is rather bohdan, not barak, let him deal with it, they swim like that on purpose, that's how they swim on purpose, actually. in this, we congratulate each other in this way, yes, but look, i understand this kind of point of view, and i am very close to it, that it is all desecralized and deformed and that everyone can speak, and i absolutely do not

pore girl, but on the other hand, i sometimes listen to it and wonder if we are not simplifying in this way, if a person can or cannot do this. young to hear it, yes, and this, well, as if it could be a spoiling of taste and optics, when too much of it is driven into very simple such forms, low, i think any good podcast, and whether it's very raunchy, or whether it's more like really high shelf, it has to encourage first of all to read, look at the source, which is the main purpose of the podcast, why do everyone do it yourself went and formed an opinion. and i really like when there is resistance in the audience, for example, to my words or to my position, because i know that if there is resistance, it means that they will go and look and express their position, so they will argue, they will to discuss, maybe they will write a comment that is not very pleasant to me on youtube, but they

will go, understand and form their vision, so any good story, any good podcast and conversations, they should be encouraged to go and form their opinion. again, not to impose a ready-made matrix, but at school they imposed one matrix on us, and now we will impose another matrix, another pillar, in other words, but the same matrix, but to go and look for it yourself, and good podcasts, they cope with it, even if their position can be undermined, then it is already the moment of undermining generates an intellectual discussion, but in order for there to be an intellectual discussion and or , for example, for something to trigger you or for you to disagree or disagree with something, right? you must already know something, and if it is, for example, a very young person who has not read anything, and here she is told in a very simplified form, and she seems to have the feeling that, well, i already know it, i already know it, i know it there can be such an effect, yes, when, when

some things are retold or reflected on some things in a very banal way, it it can also be like that, it seems to me that now is such a time. when we feel very much the importance of curation and the importance of those people who offer us the keys to different doors, such, well, let's call them intellectual doors, let's say there are a number of series of classics, and important are these comments before or after the text, where we understand that, say, vera ageyeva, rostyslav semkiv or yaryna tsymbal or other literary experts whom we trust will tell us something about the author and the text. let's say i'm thinking about a figure. ukrainian women and how a person forms a private relationship with her, not school, not because of the image on the banknote, but personal, and it is not always so easy to simply take oksana zabushko's story about lesya ukrainka, dive in and understand everything, and

then in fact these promotional projects come to us, which can offer the keys to understanding , you listen to something... one thing, another - you learn the history, the context, after that you come to the original text, and then it is quite possible that you can discover something more complicated. at the same time, i do not want to completely devalue ukrainian readers, because i am convinced that many people, what i am talking about actually said, but i want to repeat, they can immediately immerse themselves in what we consider difficult texts, and there is no need to be afraid of this, because sometimes the experience you have before will allow you to... well perceive even what seemed inaccessible and the highest shelf, or something like that, which was rejected all the time by you even during school, from the school curriculum, but i hear a lot of such opinions, well, for my generation, it is like this, that ukrainian literature,

teachers of ukrainian literature, it there was something that, on the contrary, turned us away of ukrainian literature, i wonder if something has changed now or at school. do you know any of the students from whom you can find out how, for example, olga kobylyanska or lesya ukrainka are studying there? yes, it has changed. i never refuse to meet with schoolchildren, because it is an opportunity to actually hear what they live. the change of the school curriculum and the way it was reformatted from junior high school and later helped a lot, which was led by many modern ukrainian writers, that now they read the fairy tales of hali tkachuk, volodymyr arinev, there is tanya stus and other living, real writers who write on current topics, which you can read. olga kupriyan, as a teenager, and not read, as they imagined a teenager in fitka halamitnyka.

well, now none of the city schoolchildren will be moved by a boy with a cow walking through the field. well, no one is interested in this cow. and it seems to me that such a change in the program and reducing the number in favor of slow, careful reading of the text, it works very well at the school level. it works very well to attract different formats, films, discussions, discussions, invitations. living writers, talking with them, it seems to me that my school program was very overloaded, i had to constantly read huge volumes and well, i liked to read, but even for me it was not easy, and at the time when they chose between mathematics and literature, mathematics, so that mathematics is more important, it will be needed in life, because these are exact sciences, and literature was neglected, it was a classic story, if there are such huge volumes, and no one can cope with them, they had to be reduced, and now... i see these trends, and when i come to schools, i really like that the

students very often have their own opinion on this topic, that they can tell me: no, this poem by taras hryhorovych does not fit anywhere, therefore, for that reason, and i really like that they are ready to argue with taras hryhorovych, because i, for example, did not have such courage when i was 12, but they do, so i think that modern youth, they are very critical, they are very demanding, and this is a very good you... i found out, bohdano, what it turns out to be, children now in the school program they study the master of the ship yanovsky, and i was amazed that how much children like it, that is, it is not a simple book, it is not a simple book by yanovsky, and it is not a request, it is also necessary, in terms of understanding and knowledge of the context, it is also necessary, but it is on the one hand, on the other hand it is love, and adventure, and an absolute kind of atmosphere. the romance of the sea, how is it and what is it for,

we talk all the time with acquaintances, what schoolchildren, masters of the yanovsky ship can love for, for example, in what, what the secret can be, it seems to me that this is enough simply, it's adventure, it's this flair of the sea, it's cinematography, but also remember the novel itself, there's something that never... happened, there's an old cinematographer reminiscing about his youth, and it's something that we would dream of for our own, those who were in their 20s, yes, for those who survived, for example, for dovzhenko, his memories were completely different, they were much more bitter, they had completely different problems, this is some kind of, i think, a big dream, that didn't come true with that generation, and... and the reader still feels that sense of a dream, and it's a gift,

which was left by yanovsky, but it is important for me to say something else here, that recently there was a study by piza, which showed that ukrainian schoolchildren do not read very well, and the level of reading skills is falling, after that i talked with the kyiv teacher artur proydakov, who invests a lot in the idea of ​​another reformation. education and in particular the approach to reading, and he talks about things that are scary for many, this is, let's say, not a chronological approach, but a thematic approach, and this is the reduction of the works that are read, this is the opportunity to stop at the texts and read them unabated, and not in two hours to run through this city, try to immerse yourself in, for example, certain types of descriptions that are present there, and then look. video or go for a walk with your class, if you are in kyiv, and this is what i

dream about, in fact, i wanted this in my own school years, but i am convinced that today it is simply very necessary for us, if we want to the reading took place for real, so that there was no imitation of reading, and the child had to remember who was in red shoes, who was in some type of zhupani, and it seems to get it. to pass the test, to have the child do what bohdana just talked about, say what she likes, let's say, about this text by shevchenko, and maybe she doesn't like something at all. that is, to learn to read from some work, from some work to learn to read and think critically, and i, as far as i know, in the west in america, in america they study for a long time, for example, shakespeare, they can study some one work of shakespeare there for several semesters? yes, i had such an experience, i taught a course at one a large platform, a cultural project for

adults called slow reading, close reading, and we read not... we read the whole text, and then we read together a separate small passage and tried to apply to the passage all the possible tools that we have, what we've learned, what we know from our experience, and it turns out that adults are very interested in that, they're interested in stopping, allowing themselves to be within a paragraph for half an hour and talk about this paragraph, and that's what they 've been missing at school, not separate and grasped details, but to immerse yourself in the fabric text and be with it. text in dialogue, i think that in school it should be, to get high, to have time to get high from the text, in particular, and i will finally ask you about the conflict, about the conflict, it is not a generational conflict, it is rather something else, and we have already talked in this studio with lyuba yakemchuk about this musical album, which was prepared by such a mur,

about the creative association of mur, and this is... and the musical is called shot, it's called a romance about a shot revival and the residents of the kharkiv house of words were shot, so this the project alone talked about it was met with tremendous admiration and spread and was very rich with many epithets beautiful, and others were very indignant, for example, galina kruk, a wonderful poet, she said that... it is dangerous, she was angered by this project, because, for example, for example, she says that the penis is presented as a pale, pitiful servant who bows before the authorities in order to become a minister, and mykhailo semenko teaches the listeners, the listeners with a cheap provocation, i am quoting phrases

from this project right now, and this is what the critics of this project called... they called its creators the creators of this project called kvns and ill-educated people, let's say, such critics as naphtholinic schoolboys and some dinosaurs that do not reach, cannot reach a wide audience. this conflict, all this something will not escape, yes, it is absolutely something foreshadowing. or do you see or actually actually, because actually i 'm sad too, yes, how the stream is presented, because it's such a massive project, because it's the wrong optics, about the stream in my opinion, maybe it's not right, or it's something, that's in general, what is the story with this, with this scandal, the discussion around romance, i will speak for

myself, i had a restrained attitude towards this project, i saw many enthusiastic reviews, but i wrote then that i became restrained, because i understand that i am absolutely not the audience of this project, that it should not be aimed at me, that this is not my story at all, that i read yarina tsymbal or rostislav melnykieva there, or read a lot about our 20s, we have a whole series of our 20s published by the publishing house, and that is why i did not expect it, they reasoned with me some individual musical compositions, sometimes i felt very simplified, sometimes there were moments that seemed successful to me, i.e. somewhere... there was something successful, somewhere something was unsuccessful, but in general, in general, i did not perceive this project as something that should resonate with me or be close to me, for me it is the project, which again should ideally lead us to re-read the text, re-read semenka, look and compare semenka's rebellion there and semenka's rebellion in

the musical, find some common points, that is , if it led someone to this process, that 's great. but, well, it won't be me, ugh it is clear, yes, but this, it is clear that this is not about our bubble, but the actual claims of galina kruk are that they are false, false optics, wrong optics regarding the ukrainian revolution, regarding the bubble, regarding all these people and so on. what do you say, bagdan? i actually liked that this project appeared, and i'll explain why, it seems to me very noticeable and symptomatic that... the following names are becoming part of popular culture: a new composition by volodymyr dantes was released the other day, and he says something like it is better to read from tus, i could not imagine. such a few years ago, you were also shocked when you heard it, in a pleasant way, i liked it very much, and i can comment on a specific album, you are a romantic,

analyze the compositions, but i am not really interested in this, i am interested in something else: i i feel the passionate desire of the people who were involved in the creation of this album to really answer the question about the stamen, agree, it is on... easy, and if there are people to this day who think that the waveman killed his mother, then that means , that all these questions, they are still scratching our heads hearts, and reader's, and that's just how we find out about these figures, so for me the appearance of such an album is very positive, because i want us to discuss in our own social networks and in the news, not the details of how ukrainian scoreboards they write: about alla pugacheva, or about the news of russian show business, any others, finally we are arguing about how someone interprets the generation

of our 20s, i dreamed of living in such a world, our dream is being realized right before our eyes, my god , i am downloading the dantes album today, listen, thanks, girls, very very interesting conversation, i would like to talk with you a little longer, but there is no time. and that's why i thank bohdana nebarak and bohdana romantsova for this wonderful conversation, i thank everyone who watched us, who was with us and who will now take up the reading. thanks, see you next week. thank you. see this week in the judicial control program with tatyana shustrova. contest to the constitutional court, as the candidate's nephew promoted. in the courts where she worked. i cannot forbid him. but why does the contestant law professor collect executive proceedings. the year turned out to be difficult

for all of us. congratulations, this is a program of judicial control, and as always, we are talking about the main reform, on which direction our european prospects depend. how is the new judiciary formed in ukraine? how the competition for the constitutional court of ukraine is conducted. but who can soon occupy a high position. all this today, but first traditionally, before the news. oleksiy tandyr, the judge of the makariv district court of the kyiv region, who last year in a state of alcoholic intoxication beat to death a soldier of the national guard vadim bondarenko, who was on duty at the checkpoint upon entering kyiv, is allegedly trying to avoid punishment by mobilizing into the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine. for several months in a row, tandyr has been applying to the court with a corresponding request, expressing his desire to become the deputy commander of the company. in the nizhynsk tro. according to watchers media journalists , he even received a letter from the military unit about the readiness of the command to take him to their ranks as an officer

of the psychological support and recovery group. but the judge rejected the request and tandyr was left in custody until june 2. note that mobilization is a fairly common practice among judges involved in criminal cases. by joining the armed forces, they stop court proceedings against themselves. it will be recalled that in may 2023, the head of the makariv district court of kyiv, oleksiy tandyr, in a lexus eu-350 , hit 22-year-old national guardsman vadym bondarenko, who was on duty at a checkpoint in kyiv, 3 minutes before the start of the curfew. at the last meeting of the second disciplinary chamber, the supreme council of justice regarding the tandyr case, a video from the scene of the accident was made public. the footage shows the judge opening the car door, getting out of the driver's seat, approaching the body of the fallen national guardsman and grabbing his head. however, later on.

currently, judge tandyr, although suspended from the administration of justice and is in pre-trial detention, still has not been dismissed from his post and still receives a considerable salary, moreover, now he has a chance to simply escape from justice by mobilizing to the ranks of the zsu. the supreme council of justice dismissed yulia berlimova, the head of the heniche district court of the kherson region. after the start of the full-scale invasion of russia, berlimova went over to the side of the occupiers and is currently being prosecuted under russian law. created by the russians in the genetics of the judicial body. another person was elected as the head of the occupation court. however, berlimova remains a judge there and probably received a russian passport. it is also known that

the husband is a judge. dobrovolsky cooperates with the occupation administration. last year, in november , the vkk appointed a qualification assessment of judge berlimova, but of course she did not appear for the interview. 238 candidates apply for positions in the higher anti-corruption court. 153 of them for 15 positions in the first instance and 85 candidates want to sit in the seats in the appeals chamber of vaks, among them 11 acting judges of the first instance of the higher anti-corruption court who want to... transfer to the appeals chamber. at the first stage of the selection , the suitability of the candidates must be assessed by the higher qualification commission of judges. those who pass it successfully will be subject to qualification assessment and testing of personal moral and psychological qualities. the commission must also elect members of the public council of international experts for the competitive selection of candidates. the competition for the positions of vaks judges is planned to be completed by the end of the year.

there is a competition in ukraine. selection of candidates for the positions of judges of the most important constitutional court of ukraine in the country. judges are selected by a specially created body, an advisory group of experts, which includes international experts. they evaluate the moral qualities and professional competence of applicants for a high position. 25 candidates took part in the first stage of the competition. the experts admitted eight to the next stage. who got it? a chance to become a judge of the country's constitutional court. he is a judge of the civil court of cassation of the supreme court of ukraine. alla oliynyk. she loves her family very much. the professional activity of a judge is very often intertwined with personal life. and it is sometimes impossible to determine where this limit is. from 2011 to 2015, ala oliynyk lived with her nephew in a one-room apartment in kyiv. at that time , the boy was studying at the kyiv national university of culture and arts, where, by a sudden coincidence, oliynyk was teaching.

he has no exams. did not accept, i did not communicate with anyone, and it would even be immoral for me, because i know that i am a judge, and for me my reputation is quite important, on the contrary, these are strict requirements for training, for his behavior, in fact, in the third year, i taught civil procedure to him, because i was the only teacher, after graduating from the university, my nephew was looking for a job, but by coincidence, he was able to get a job at... the higher specialized court, where my aunt worked, then he went to work at the kyiv court of appeals court, where, as you may have already guessed, allainyk was a judge, a competition was announced, and i cannot forbid him, if there is a competition and he wants to work, to exercise his constitutional right, that is why he really passed the competition, and when there was a question of liquidating the higher specialized of the court of ukraine for consideration of civil criminal cases, he

was... dismissed, the issue of work again became, i used to work in the kyiv court of appeal until 2007, it was the court of appeal of the city of kyiv, now, according to the legal successor, the kyiv court of appeal, in the 21st year, it seems that he, yes, in the 21st year he submitted documents, he passed the competition, the competition was fair, i think, because the tests were on computers, judge. ala oliynyk does not see nepotism in the fact that her nephew studied and worked in institutions where she herself taught and worked. i never even thought before that it might in the future, such questions would arise for me , so that it would be a doubt of my integrity. the panel of judges with the participation of ala oliynyk made a number of decisions, which were later recognized by the european court of human rights those that violate international obligations

and... the convention on human rights, in particular due to the excessive length of court proceedings and the imperfection of national legislation. no judge in ukraine, i think, as well as in any other country, wants to participate in the adoption of a decision where the european court found a violation of certain provisions of the convention. in the same way, as they say, every judge does not want to have any disciplinary procedure. of course, there are such solutions. stated that alla oliynyk's explanation, in particular, regarding her career growth nephew, not very convincing. nevertheless, it is believed that the judge meets the criterion of high moral qualities. oliynyk has passed to the next stage, and soon the commission will have to assess her professional competence. another candidate for the post of judge of the constitutional court of ukraine made it to the next stage.