began to tell that what trump has turned out to be, you know, that is, he did not complete the task assigned to him, so i think that they have no plan at all, no plan at all, they often have no plan at all, with on the other hand, when they are in the grip of their own illusions, one should rather look for when they are not. ugh, i even give another example, i don’t think that if they understood what the real situation was, how the west would react to a direct invasion of russia, how ukraine would resist, maybe they wouldn’t have approved of the decision it made about the start of a large-scale aggression, but again, they are, were in the grip of their own illusions, under the influence of what their people tell them, i don't know, and their... these

special services told that there is absolutely nothing here something else, and there it is completely different, it is obvious that here too the special services told that they had everything with trump, and the vote would not take place in any case, here now they actually conducted, in a word yes, something similar to that kyiv in three days, the ops didn't work out here, danylo, so i looked at who was the favorite of russian war propaganda, well, first of all, of course, margery taylor green, but we. let's talk more about this virtual sister of maryana bezuglai, congresswoman viktoria sparts looked scandalous for ukraine, where only she was written about her initiatives from the whole world, because even in america sparts and green became internet memes, in this case, we understand that this is only one part of the russian game with our largest military allies, this... and this is this intervention, and you for yourself

they found the answer, victoria sparts, whom everyone was so happy about, she screamed, gave yermak, then suddenly there was an op, and a blow to the back, what happened? look, nothing really happened from my point of view, because i spoke about the fact that ms. sparts is a political figure in the usa that is absolutely unfriendly to ukraine, even when a part of... our media and political field was not impressed, you know, what is the problem, unfortunately, we have politics in general, it somehow operates according to the principle of groups of football fans, and everyone who is against our fierce rival or enemy, then all of them automatically become our friends, i think that this is the story of victoria sports, she showed it very well, that's right. that you personally don't like andrii

yermak or oleg tatarov, and at the same time there is such a congresswoman in american politics who criticizes yermak and tatarov. this does not make this lady your friend or ally, she does it for completely different reasons than those from which you criticize the ukrainian authorities. you, we criticize the ukrainian authorities, after all, with this in mind the interests of this state, the improvement of this state, the survival of this state. mrs. sparts is not talking about this at all, but mrs. sparts was at that time, in fact, a fairly pronounced representative of this fairly radical trumpist wing.

republican party not as much as taylor green's mergery, but enough to be quite recognizable. i am surprised that those people who were actively fighting with this lady, when there was a year and a half ago, did not find the strength today, you know, not even to... admit your mistake, but just at least keep quiet, because i saw that some continued that no, spart is still good, you still need to listen to her, she still has her weight, eh, again, a simple conclusion from this whole story: not everyone who criticizes the same person you criticize is your friend, and i think that's a very good, uh, very useful lesson to take from this story. i just now remembered

an anecdote about a sparrow that froze and a cow that saved him by drawing conclusions about him, so ok let's move. on such sufficiently resonant topics this week in the verdict program, i could not ignore all this schizophrenic madness that took place after the publication of a video of hefty men specifically in the plan of men queuing in consular institutions in poland, this video, i do not know whether it went viral on purpose or just became resonant because of the shouts that rang out there, but here is this idea to stop providing consular services on april 23, in particular from issuing passports for ukrainians in connection with... well, that's what the deputy minister of foreign affairs, kuleba, decided in my opinion, he did not want to wave his hand at this, and made excuses, but ms. larisa,

basically, after which the most schizophrenic things started, the polish foreign ministry says, we will help. to return men of suitable age to ukraine, the lithuanians said: let's see how we will do it with the poles, the germans said, clearly we will not do this, international lawyers said, except for extradition, there are actually no mechanisms, the tkk cannot run on the streets of warsaw, in this is a violation of constitutional rights, said some politicians in to ukraine, others said, i'm sorry, but why are there services from the state, if there is a constitutional duty to protect, and you ran away from it, this is the hottest moment right now... the indicators light up, what is your opinion of all this, that it happened, because they say that from may 18 they will somehow restore all this, but it seems that of all the solutions that were possible around this issue, they chose the worst one, or it just seems so to me, well, you understand, i want to ask,

i well, you're young, and you're men, and i understand that you should get a job now officially, without being registered. well, it's hard, uh , to enter, for example, a university, submit documents as a man, and you're not registered, walk down the street, and you'll be stopped, you have to show your passport and military id, that you're registered. when we talk about some constitutional rights, we must take into account that these rights were adjusted due to martial law, and they were adjusted in principle in a legal way, because restrictions on the rights of ukrainian citizens, such as exit, movement, curfew, the verkhovna rada voted. secondly, to what extent i understand people, they are not denied consular services, consular services are provided to them after registration, that is, this is the idea, and i am different, i would talk

about something else, to what extent this registration can be ensured, to what extent it is possible to ensure the passing of the vlk abroad , what should it look like, this worries me, and that? that a citizen must be registered, this provision of the constitution has been in effect for two years, it has actually been in effect for two years, after the president imposed martial law at 5 a.m. on february 24, 2022 and signed a decree on general mobilization, because of this, the rule of the constitution began to operate, which states that all military servicemen must appear and update their data. not to go into the trenches, but to be on the record, and i'm just curious about what we are arguing about now, we are generally interested in the constitution, which contains such a rule, we are interested in the law, the fact that our ministry

of foreign affairs makes decisions on the basis of the law, which has not entered into force, and justifying it by a law that has not entered into force, we have others, sir, mr. danilo, i understand yours. but i will explain to you, in our country today there is a law in force, it is in force, the law on mobilization, it is old, to give people consular services, this law provides, it provides that everyone must be registered, and this law provides that a person must be registered, please note that does not provide for this law, it does not provide for a violation for its for... its non-fulfillment, moreover, this law is based on a direct provision of the constitution, and in this case we say that we are now debating whether it is necessary to comply with the constitution or, for example, it is possible like it or not want, you understand, it’s very me, we,

in principle, we’re not talking about that, we have to talk about how to implement these laws so that it’s comfortable, what do these norms look like, can they be implemented so that it’s comfortable a citizen, but to argue: whether to comply or not is an absolutely senseless action, and therefore when, when the ministry of foreign affairs restricts something, let me tell you, listen, when you get a job officially, you have to put. military pass, to be registered, and this too, in fact, is not provided for by any laws, colleagues, i want expression, but your expression is now enough for all four of us in the studio, we are talking about the fact that people who were abroad as of 2016 and 2017, there is no law that obliges them to come to ukraine and stand on military registration and pass the vlk, if you can find it for me. where is it written in the law, i will admit my mistake to you live, but please show me

where it is written. now we are talking about the fact that the ministry of foreign affairs made a decision on the basis of a law that did not acquire validity, and if you appeal to constitutionality and legality, then this must also be taken into account. i understand that we are all very interested in the issue of justice and so on and so forth, but... if we, in the name of justice, reject the fact that the ministry of foreign affairs has committed a completely unreasonable action from a practical point of view, then we will not come to justice never, we will have mischief instead of justice, you understand, okay, then i have to answer for two seconds, as far as i, as far as i remember, mr. danyla, we have registration, registration in consular institutions has been in effect since the 22nd year, and it is effective, and all

citizens who must be subject to the law on mobilization and the constitution, that law, which has been in force since the 22nd year, and according to which almost a million citizens were mobilized, they should have gone on record, they just didn't, so when you tell me to show you something, huh? look at what our consular institutions have been registering people since the 22nd year, consular registration, consular registration, not military registration, okay, military registration, friends, maybe, we are now let's think over all your arguments, ms. larisa, mr. danilo, i also want to ask mr. oleksiy to look at it from a different angle, because mr. oleksiy, look at what happened, that is, surely there should have been some mechanism and clarification on... probably we as of this minute have received the worst efficiency ratio with

the best intentions to get the men back, then i doubt, excuse me, i have, i have reason to say, i doubt that the intentions were good, there is a demand of society justice, completely understandable and legal, the power in us instead to... satisfy this request, in a legal way, is looking for ways to channel this, this this request, and this dissatisfaction, of course, this dissatisfaction is somehow not very good to direct against the deputies, because the deputies are still needed, so they found a way to channel it in another direction, this is the first moment, the second point, of course, all this hysteria around the fact that human rights are being violated, what is the government doing? what the opposition is doing and everything else is also an element of russian ipso, because they are happy

to promote this situation. it seems to me that the first thing to start with is to stop hysteria around it. now with regard to specific things, yes, in the 22nd year, changes were made to the laws on mobilization, which are written in black and white that people who are on legal grounds are, of course, abroad. they must register for military service at consular institutions of ukraine abroad, in the countries where they live. question to the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine: what did they do to organize this military accounting according to the law, for these two years, nothing. two years later, the ministry of foreign affairs, instead of to enforce the law that is in force, starts sending out unknown letters. about the law, which is just beginning to take effect on may 18, and then

it turns out that the ministry of foreign affairs has nothing to do with the issuance of documents at all, because it is handled by the dp document, and the government is urgently forced to adopt a resolution that simply simply regulates that the documents that issued by the state government , the document is issued only on the territory of ukraine, that is, first we make a communication error, then... we have to quickly correct it, try to bring it into legal channels, and so on. it's lurking around huge hysteria, our enemies rejoice, what will we get? it is not clear from this, but everyone inside quarreled and they continue to do it further. yes, mr. oleksiy, you have listened to all your arguments and here comes a completely logical managerial one, well, you are also a telemanager, that is, any manager knows that he is given several, for example,

strategic ways to solve a problem: you can do this, you can yes, you can do it like this, and you can do it like this, but this is the worst. and once again, of all the options, in this matter, the worst is chosen again, and here a question arises, is this the law of dining kruger, or does someone deliberately always choose the worst solution in such sensitive matters? of course, we can assume that someone is doing it on purpose, someone may be doing it because of their own stupidity, but i am interested in the result, what will we get as a result? will we be able to ensure the implementation of the law that comes into force on may 18, what will we get in public opinion, what will we get with the resolution of our issues with the allies, because now we will also quarrel as allies, that they alone say, we will, we will help to return men, others say no, these are human rights and

so on, we will still argue with them about this , the question is that everything must be done rationally, of course, not everything happens as we want, we saw that our allies this is also what happens, with this help it is called american, as in the anecdote about the natives, the onion wagon and a hundred years ago, three presidents, and or this phrase of churchill, that americans always make the right decision after they have tried all the wrong ones, that is how we must draw conclusions for myself, so as not to step on... all together, my colleagues gave our viewers all the right analytical markers, and it just seems to me that this machine, which was also picked up by russian propaganda and is being promoted, also has a continuation inside, and we still , unfortunately,

we will reap the fruits much further, because you can listen, for example, in natasha mosiychuk in... there was mariyana bezugla saying, if you don't want to be ukrainian, throw away your ukrainian passport, take another country, you combat unit of the soviet people sits somewhere far away and on youtube tells good russian people aristovycha, let's throw away your ukrainian passports, don't go to the consulate, take russian ones, you understand, and that is, the machine is gaining momentum, and from here it already looks like it's almost... just like with with the law on updating the law on mobilization, that instead of a quick solution , it turns into a multi-series series of scandals of cringe and stupidity, how to finalize it all, well, let's just put an end to this topic, which will continue, danylo, here is your opinion , lady larisa, your opinion is simple, one by one, how

to stop it all, because in reality, well, i will exhaust the large mobilization resource now after that... there will definitely not be anything, look, it’s difficult for me, well, you go, i’ll do it later i will say, well, well, ladies, about the fact that i am this is a good question, how to do it, how to stop russian parasitism on this topic, in my opinion, here we need to remember what we are doing and why, because the law on mobilization, in it was the goal, why we made changes to this law, it needed the old law, it needed changes, because its implementation, its execution... was quite difficult and dangerous, humiliating for a citizen, as you are mobilized and as a result you do not have a demobilization period, you are, you are mobilized, and if you did not serve, then no matter what you were public profession, you will still go there as a soldier, that is, although you could be somewhere a logistician or

something else, that is, these decisions, they needed to be eliminated, and therefore they were accepted. law, the second point is that this law, it contains sanctions for its non-fulfillment, and thus it differs from the old law, which was very harsh, humiliating for a citizen, because a citizen had no rights at all when he entered the army and no guarantees, but at the same time he was not punished for not fulfilling this law, this is a very strange story, so now we have to remember that all these consular things, all of them, we have all these changes, they should... be aimed at making it easier for the citizen to fulfill the law and the constitutional duty, and not to tell, but how to avoid it, but how to... this is to make it look like we don't have a constitution and we don't have a duty there is no, and we do not have martial law, we have to complete the task, we have to change the people who are in the trenches, we have to ensure

the rotation is endless, that is, this flow, because this war can be long, it can be 10, it can be more years, and we have to understand how to make sure that those who are mobilized have more chances to survive and know clear deadlines when they return home, so with all this, danylo, but to put a full stop in an endless series, it is all these right things said by the lady larisa, did this scandal work exactly the other way around? on the one hand, yes, that is, i really do not see in what way what is now, here is this new innovation there, even if it is temporary on the part of the ministry of foreign affairs, in what way it can contribute to the fact that we somehow... will expand the mobilization resource, but rather the number of people with ukrainian passports will decrease, but understand, in fact, here it is possible, here this discussion can

actually be brought to such a philosophical and political science level, because when we talk about the ukrainian nation as a whole, yes, the ukrainian nation is an imaginary community, so everyone has their own idea, and we as a group have an idea of ​​what it means to be ukrainian, what. means to belong to this community, and i will tell you honestly, i do not in any way incite conflict and division here, but i do not quite understand what unites me in the same community with these men and women in the consulates there in near the dp a document or in the consulates and shout about what and what i have to serve, and what my husband has to serve, like go serve yourself, yes ugh, that is, this one is important to us. the discussion today is actually about what it means to be ukrainian, what it means to belong to the ukrainian nation, or to stay abroad and really

pretend that it doesn't concern you at all and that you only have the right to demand, or this or that is a disqualifying sign for being called a ukrainian, and not by passport, but by beliefs, so again, i would very much not like this discussion to turn, you know, into that, excuse me, the srach into which it passes we have mutual accusations from those abroad, and from those abroad to us, and some mutual rejection, but we really need this discussion today, the one about what it means to be ukrainian when, er, when we face it is an existential question to be or not to be, eh, so there is some benefit in what is happening now, if you can talk about it calmly, you can find it, it seems to me that it is clear that if all this turns into simply destructive, then nothing good will come of

it won't happen. alexey, finalize it too, it's just that i'm listening to danilo and i remember that after saturday's black terrorist attack in israel, we saw this huge phenomenon, a large number of israelis, and they, by the way, in my opinion, are in second or third place after the chinese. like tourists from all over the world, they flew to israel for the war from all corners, we had it at the beginning, yes, but now look, and now thanks to all these actions, discussions, witnesses, oleksiy, we have the reverse option , that is, those, perhaps, who wanted, after all this, this is what happened after the events in warsaw, so can cause. reverse reaction in my opinion, so it seems, well, i wouldn’t exaggerate, you know, a person wanted to defend the country, and then they watched a video from poland and changed their mind, then i don’t

think that this is happening, well, not all the yews swam over there, you understand that no, i think that there were too many people, well , probably, if there are two or two people, then that is too much, in principle, everyone left, i understand, on some grounds, from my point of view. .. point of view it is necessary to simply stop the hysteria, comply with the law that is in force now and to implement the law when it enters into force on may 18, the new one, these are amendments to the law, this is not a new law, yes, yes, that is, those who want to receive documents and have the right to cross the border can go to ukraine and take these documents , as far as i understand the decision of the cabinet of ministers, the ministry of foreign affairs, finally after this... scandal, taking the ball of god in their hands, they will begin to create a system of registration of people who are abroad and can be registered, there are many of them with documents,

wait for it. until they all run out of documents, this is also not a way out, that is, this is the second point, and the third point that appeared during this discussion, there is one point that is not paid attention to: there are citizens of ukraine who are now from 18 to 25 years old, they are not can be mobilized according to the new law, but they are not released from the country so that they can, for example, receive an education at universities. it is possible, of course, for patriotic reasons, to take all the students from the universities, return them, return them to ukraine, and let them drink, well, why not wait five or seven years until the time comes for them, when they can mobilize, but i do not think that this is a rational way out, i think that the deputies will have to sit down, think carefully and prepare some new amendments that would solve this problem, until this problem is solved at the legislative level, everyone performs the the law that is

it seems to me that this is the most constructive proposal that can be in this case, i have now decided that there is one more topic this week, it is also resonant, but if we could analyze it together, colleagues in the verdict from the point of view of non-existent in us , but such a necessary institution as the institution of reputation, i want it so that through it, through this prism, we look at these events, which from... the investigators of the national anti-corruption agency nabu betrays suspicion and tells us about the cunning schemes of the minister of agrarian policy around of the state geocadaster, namely plots that were supposed to go to veterans of the anti-terrorist operation, but there was such a scheme under which he took a plot specially with a mandatory option, and then immediately transferred it for a long-term lease to a certain correct company.

well, in a word, for almost 200 million such schematos describes nabu, after which we find out that this is the order of things : the minister, mykola solsky, writes a statement, submits it to the verkhovna rada, then a preventive measure is chosen, everyone at that time says, my god, what a good minister in our country has acted in a european manner , just a suspicion, he immediately wrote a statement, immediately withdrew. for the duration of the investigation, then they choose for him, as they say, to play it all for two months, or a bail of 75.5 million, today we learn that the unknown heroes of ukraine made that bail, and then the whole ministry says, no, everything is fine, minister mykola solskyi continues to fulfill his duties, and somehow all that europeanness has fallen away, and the reputation of this institution

is not even visible anymore, to me, to me, this statement. resembles a well-known anecdote, you know, if i don't come back, consider me a communist, and if i come back, well, if i come back, then don't think, eh, that solsky is connected with the agrarian lobby and took an active part in the deals, we won't tell court decisions, to what extent they were legal or illegal, were known before he became chairman of the committee, not that what has been appointed minister, the question is, why appoint... people to positions that have a clear conflict of interest, uh, well, but then one thing was needed, so we push a person to the position, now another is needed, there is a demand for justice, we are all exposed, and now, here we are, you always have to coordinate your actions with the goal you set, this applies to everything, regarding the dp document, regarding receiving help from allies, regarding... mr.

solsky. mrs. larisa, what about you, because i was most captivated by this option, what at first i liked the ukrainian surname. that is, we suspect 200 million. we make a deposit of 70 million. in short, 125 million profit in your pocket, if you know how to make such schemes, you will always be in checkers and in pluses. someone is paying attention to it. i paid more attention to the fact that, oh, everything is finally civilized, there is a suspicion. i will withdraw for the duration of the investigation. the court will have its say. verdict, no right away, no, take it easy, they made a deposit, i’m already in place, i’m a minister again, that’s what affected me the most, what about you, mrs. larisa, well, first of all, we have to understand that this scheme is not only solsky, there is a whole bunch of people there, including those bogus citizens who received these plots in their name, immediately their...