safety of odessa and black sea ships, so that ukraine has an open window to export , import, export its products and import products from the world, that is, to be an economically capable state. the military goals now, as i understand it, are for ukraine to level the front line and gain the capabilities to inflict such losses on the russians that they will not be able to. to compensate them, that's what all military experts say now, the russians mobilize somewhere around 30-40,000 troops every month, somewhere around 25-30 thousand are destroyed, and it is about their losses being greater than the possibilities of mobilization, and now it is about this, and the third factor, which we cannot completely omit, is what the americans are already directly declaring, and state

secretary blinkin went to pakin talking to china and saying yes, friends, you have to decide, either you support russia, then you will have sanctions and you will have a problem with the full program, like those who support the aggressor, or you will curtail this aid, because i must say, i did not know of this figure, but she it is impressive that 90% of the machine tools for the production of barrels, and there tanks, and shells and so on. supplied to russia china, 70%, i don't know, some other separate equipment there, so joe biden spoke to sisius pinius, he warned him that you are coming to a point where we will use all means against you, and that's why chancellor scholz was, syzimpina , siyzimpin is going to come to paris to talk in may, this will all be the day before the swiss peace forum. this is exactly what we

are approaching, what will the observers from beijing come to switzerland with, we understand that the russians are not they will most likely be there, well, maybe the belarusians would be observers, but at the moment i do not have this information, in any case , the civilized western world will outline its parameters, a vision not only of a peace formula, but also of readiness to support ukraine, i.e. an alignment of geopolitical clocks , which will now be in switzerland, switzerland will recognize the event. the event is determined, representatives of the so-called global south will come there, and the only question is whether china will come or not, belarus is such a with all due respect to belarus and the belarusian people, of course, will china come even as an observer, but not as a participant and so on, that is, negotiations are underway, and china is really at such a crossroads, whether it will be or not, instead it is about the global south , the principles on which

a new world order can be established and a formula for ending the war in ukraine decided, it is also written, the formula is the plan of president zelensky, where the first point is the observance of the sovereignty and inviolability of the territorial integrity of all states, this the first point stands, the rest is secondary to this first point, and the first point will determine everything, that is why the russians... do stand on their ears conditionally in order to torpedo this summit, because the summit, when you arrive and when you discuss the formula plan of president zelenskyi's peace plan, then the first point is restoration, well, of course , restoration in the borders of 1991, by 200 there in 22, where they also grabbed the zaporizhia and kherson regions, that is , the russians, so everything will be determined here, or you standing on this side... or these or both

on that side, and here it is impossible to stand between your formula and ours, the formula of china, that you can be a mediator and go to ukraine for some territorial compromises, it is hopeless and it will not happen, fine, but we understand, it is possible to support ukraine, germany strongly supports ukraine in the matter of supplying taurus, there is a certain line that the germans do not want to cross when we talk about aviation. we, we are still talking about the f-16, not the f-35 and so on, and so on, understand that the issue of delineating the framework is one story, and the readiness to comply and forcing russia to this or that peace formula is a little different, that is, on paper very often everything looks very smooth, but when we talk about forcing russia, anton, well, the red lines have already arrived, the red lines have already been destroyed, those attacks are 300 km long, but taurus. of course, it would be good for them

to come, but this, this is not a coup, this is just a demonstration that we can speak and call for one, but this must always be followed by very concrete, sometimes tough actions. of course, everyone should be, help ukraine, that's the point, well, but there is an internal situation individual states, but in america it took half a year with the absolute persistence and total but total commitment of president biden, it took half a year for the republicans to support this deal, and it was, well, half and half, that really, how critical it was that , what the president had, what badge he had. when he signed the agreement, when he signed this law, a badge with the flags of the united states and ukraine, not israel, not taiwan, or with all of them, only with ukraine, because it was a fundamental question, what played, well, played differently, trump and johnson, so what, what

it happened there, trump and johnson, played by vladimir vladimirovich putin, because he gave an interview at the beginning of february. gave an interview where he showed that he is handing out cards in the american elections, and these are the american deep state pruss reagan republicans, because there are still such, moreover, holding the heads of the committee there on intelligence, defense, it seems and foreign affairs, the house of representatives, they such hawks of reagan, it was very good for them, because volodymyr vladimirovych came. says who americans should elect as president, and also says, no, well we, in fact we, it would be better for us if there was biden, well, these are not games like this with the americans, well, that’s why they were broken very much, and this breakdown

happened so, well, so brilliantly, because once these trumpists managed to overthrow for the first time in 240 years of mccarthy as speaker of the house of representatives, to keep it simple. an unheard of phenomenon, here the democrats made a mistake, of course, that they supported this proposal, not without foreseeing the consequences, and then their game with johnson began to move him from the speaker's chair, well, that's not succeeded, and they say that various factors played a role there, they say that the court hearings of trump himself showed him that it cannot be like that, it may be that he will not be a candidate, because when he will be, i heard such a version that donald trump realized that he played his isolationist card and exhausted certain resources, so to speak, from his electoral sympathies, he needs to go to another field, that is, that he should, so to speak to be a big player, and not

a pro-russian figure, because well the issue of russian aggression against ukraine is serious, even for american politics, so you think well of donald trump, i am a little worse. i just see, i see the behavior of johnson, yes, that is, johnson, johnson, johnson, i think it played out, he really wanted the republicans to maintain party unity, well, it did not work out, and he was faced with such a thing, stefanchuk would have gone against the decision, for example , president zelenskyi, so we understand that johnson is not himself johnson, the speaker of the congress, well, he provided himself trump's support, and after that vote, trump said that he... our good guy, that is, trump supported johnson, and i must say, he did , why, why, why, why, i think there was a very clear situation , and it is based on such very serious matters, that is, you get access to all intelligence

data, as the speaker of the house of representatives at briefings, almost presidential information, and it was written there in black and white, as i understand it. johnson said, this is a secret, he was told that if he does not support ukraine, then it was necessary to send our soldiers and our boys to europe, to protect nato, and then the responsibility of such a person who knew that they would send american boys to die and did not provide help to ukraine, even though ukraine is heroically resisting russian aggression, then the responsibility is punishment, ugh, in front of an american court, well, john trump... they are even reprimanded for many cases between others on january 6, 2020, so the truth is that nothing is forgotten there, a citizen goes to court and come on, and then the parents of those boys who, for example, would have died in europe, because we need them was sent to some front in a hypothetical

lithuania or in a hypothetical poland or in estonia, and then johnson would be told: you are a man, you had the opportunity to prevent my son from dying, and you did it. and what? yes, well, you yourself mentioned the story about the return of the boys, and accordingly we understand that ukrainian citizens are now in the european union and in poland, in particular. hundreds of thousands of millions of people, and accordingly, our ministry of foreign affairs has put forward such an initiative, in particular, when it comes to not providing temporary consular services until the law on mobilization comes into force, and accordingly , perhaps it would be worthwhile to come from the other side to start one or another negotiations with individual capitals of the european union, in order to help ukraine bring its sons home, somehow, well, in any case, the story caused a very stormy one. discussion, that is, i don't know what to do with the non -provision of consular services, but if there are possible return mechanisms, maybe

it would be worth using them? well of course, that there are mechanisms, i am generally, well, i am not a citizen of ukraine, but i am generally surprised by the discussion about mobilization, well, i have been in ukraine for a while and i feel the mood of the society, in the half or the second half of last year there were no such moods that people, let's say, they didn't understand that it would be necessary to mobilize, well, they understood, there is a state and... needs, some have been at the front for two years and reserves are needed, well, everything is clear, instead, a political game began around the problem of mobilization, and it was a parallel game , you love conspiracies, this is a must was to follow, everyone loves conspiracies, why the question of mobilization, which was not on the agenda of discussion by ukrainians, because there was complete trust in the armed forces of ukraine, and it continues to be. why did not the village fall in parallel with all the problems with the supply of weapons to ukraine, military

aid, financial aid, internal problems of confrontation, well, that's how it should be said, or conflict between the military leadership, political leadership, where there were no grounds for this, i was told that those are unknown, but give me plans, because you don't know why, why do you want to summon 400 thousand, and not 500, or maybe? it is less necessary, who are you to discuss it, there is room for it to go into the political plane, into the public plane, well, it was irresponsibility, i apologize, and among others, the irresponsibility that spills out in today's situation, i i know a little about those people who are in poland and in other countries, there is a different contingent of people there, some left earlier, some have already found a job, the ukrainian embassy does not hand over ukrainian citizenship. a person who already works there, but wants to return to ukraine, different situations,

millions of different situations and in each one, instead, you hit the ax like this, without analyzing anything, and in fact, in fact, i cause a lot of people to doubt that i have to keep connection with such a country, there are tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of students up to the age of 25 who are not subject to mobilization by law. itself did not enter into force, why, for example, the polish state could help, for example, the ukrainian state, if our state would officially turn to warsaw, for example, there with a request to help put it on the record, for example, i don't know how to return it, and of course, even the vice-prime minister, the minister of defense, koshinyak kamesh said the day before yesterday, it seems, that he, that poland is ready to contribute, on some normal basis, yes, in the register these citizens in ukraine are in the polish yes. there they are employed somewhere, they are studying somewhere and so on, they are given some rights, benefits and

so on and so on, yes, uh, ukraine is asking if you have such citizens, how many are there and so on further, well, the polish services say, aunt, aunt, aunt, yes, so much, so much, for such, such, such categories, well, we will work with you to see how many of them voluntarily want to return to the ranks of the armed forces forces of ukraine, well, they say, they want that many, tens of thousands, yes, well, well, then in what order we establish that... they will move to us, we provide them with aunt, aunt, well, these are civilized ways, not in the emergency order does not know that now the photos that people rushed do not want to serve, or something, instead of this, ukraine gained absolute recognition in the world, with courage, unity, and this, which wants to defend itself, now this image is being destroyed from attention to the strange actions, i will say so very mildly, strange actions of the ukrainian authorities, which there is no action... we are a normal bureaucratic system, the bureaucratic system works according to its own

rules, according to laws and so on, and here it is necessary to prepare people for it, and other countries would be calm, saying: well, you think that you need it do, we want to help you in this process, do it according to such and such rules, and everything for everyone, and people know what awaits them, and this is not the image, my mother, i will be thrown there in avdiivka or near avdiivka, and there i will die, well, this is not true. yes, now the information is out, the command of the ground forces of ukraine says that the queues lined up in front of the assembly centers, then people are normal about it, the state said, well, they were heaps. a sociological survey ultimately very interestingly shows that among men of conscription age , half are either ready to join voluntarily, or they will say, when the hangman arrives, then we leave, half of the men are ready today, well , approach them in a normal civilized way, and not in such a way that scares you, well, why is this, i don’t understand this approach, well,

as they say, let’s live , we'll see, but at one time aldous huxley wrote such a speech for a reason. a work called a strange new world. in any case, thank you very much for the conversation, i want to remind our tv viewers that myroslav cheh, historian, publicist, deputy of the second polish diet, was currently working on espresso. third term. thank you thank you. greetings, this is svoboda live on radio svoboda. we have already come to the snake itself. the following shots may shock you. news from the scene. live drone attacks. political analysis, objectively and meaningfully, there is no political season, exclusive interviews, reports from the hottest points of the front. svobodalai, frankly and impartially. you draw your own conclusions. and now

the iconic ukrainian will be on the air of the tv channel. and the diplomat roman bezsmertny, glory to ukraine, mr. roman, i congratulate you, glory to the heroes, i congratulate you, mr. antin, well, the key story: the united states determined, the united states signed everything that had to be signed, and president joseph biden even wore a badge, not just an american presidential badge, but an american-ukrainian one. it is symbolic, but the key story is the medium-term perspective of the introduction of war with the aggressor state, the russian federation, here we leave. to an extremely big dilemma, mr. ambassador, i would ask you to outline it, a very interesting and correct formulation of the question, because now in ukraine, in the souls and in the eyes of ukrainians there were several questions, the first of which is what is the last help, the next is whether there will be further

help, what will be the help, how long in this situation according to the course of events. i will not appeal to everyone with emotions, few people paid attention to the fact that both during the discussion and in the text of the document itself, there is a direct reference to the need to develop a strategy, that is, from setting a goal to the corresponding steps, which would involve filling with appropriate weapons, technical and tactical parameters, armored vehicles, ammunition and so on. because in fact it is the most depressing place in in this half-yearly discussion, the theme that attacked both the white house and ukraine was, show the strategy, or at least, well, let's say the outlines are certain, well, actually, it began to be developed and formed as a statement of the problem and

answers to them, back in the fall of last year, when with "a so-called article appeared: was it called an interview of the chief of the general staff of general zalozhnyi, actually, do you remember how much violence was done then, this scientific work, it was only an addition to what was heard from washington, because on that at the moment, the chairman of the chiefs of staff committee, who was leaving and announced that last fall he would leave, in fact... he said the same thing about the need to develop a strategy, about new approaches, new tools for the introduction of war, and there, if you look at these two materials, they are synchronized and in a strange way for someone, but they are also related to the well-known article of the previous year of 2022, general zabrodskyi and general

zaluzhnyi, these are such spine-tingling things that you can look further down. cotton wool and tactical tools, well, let's talk about them provision, and this is a very important thing, because without answers to these questions, it is very difficult to move forward after making such a difficult decision, but the first thing i can do to reassure people who ask the questions i listed above is, for example , it will be or not, it will be, why it will be, because bicameral support under... remained, bipartisan support remained, and everyone understood very well that if this bill, no matter how it was drafted, was put to a vote in october. in november, in december, in january, he would have been voted, by a larger by a slightly smaller number, but it would have been accepted, that is, what we talked about with you, that the situation came down to the state

of affairs in the republican party itself, or rather in its top, it was only confirmed, at the same time, i really like it, it impresses , that in the final version there were things that the republicans talked about, this is a thing that is connected with'. the training of long-range atakams complexes, and the second is those under-sanctioned seized resources of russian legal entities and the state of russia in the accounts of american banks, this a very important thing, it means that among the republicans there is not only the principle of yes or no, but there is a meaningful analysis of the situation, these are two positions that are unambiguous. say that support will be maintained. you outlined a very important point, forgive me for interfering so much with the attacks, we understand this at one time, yes on the communication channel on the burns to ryshkin line it sounded

yes, aviation no, long-range missile systems, no, and now the biden administration, not even the pentagon, and the biden administration, gave the go-ahead, and president joseph biden, for according to my information, who tried in every possible way to delay the delivery of long-range systems. takams now agreed, certainly these days, ah, the democrats, led by joseph biden, have taken two steps that are completely uncharacteristic of democrats. well, actually, the democrats used to do that under truman, when they used republican tactics in a weird way, what do i mean? the first is actions to help israel. which seems a strange wonder, in fact, they found out in 10 days through intelligence that the instruction was given to prepare an attack on the 13th or 14th, and

titanic work was carried out over the course of 10 days, because it's one thing when we just talk without understanding what it is, and another thing, what is it like when there are 300 objects in the air, and to separate them between the israeli. anti-missile anti-aircraft defense system, aircraft of france, great britain and the united states of america. we understand what we are talking about, it is a colossal amount of work, the involvement of appropriate equipment, monitoring systems, guidance, i am not talking about the introduction of fire. and this is the first thing that struck me from the point of view of how the democrats acted, and the second thing is that they... accepted this position of the republicans regarding the provision of long-range atakams to ukraine, well, we can ask questions with you about how it will be done in the future, but what they accepted,

agreed, further, and it he can simply frame them for the fact that they will be whipped with whips and for the fact that they will not do, let's say this, because in this matter everyone understands very well that during the election campaign , both one and the other side will... argument to use, some will talk about one thing, and the second about something else, however, i can say that both among the democrats and among the republicans, there are much more republicans, the military wing is much more serious and deeper, and they have already repeatedly come from the mouths of various retired and currently active military personnel, the generals especially , insisted that... the relevant parameters of the strategy should be prepared and based on these parameters , the answer to the question should be developed: what is needed, urgent, temporary, fixed-term

supplies, or do we need lend-lease, because we we understand very well that we are talking about the question of the timeliness of the strategy, what are the terms of its implementation and what should it be brought under, what should be taken from the warehouses. continue to repair what is in disposal warehouses, to repair what is simply temporarily out of use, or to produce new equipment, because after 10 years of war, mr. antin, it is already clear to a blind person what russia is fighting for, so it is clear what to attack it with , well, if it is clear, then this is such a technique and... it is necessary, now one more thing, i can’t understand this fuss about mobilization or non-mobilization, due to the circumstances

i had to argue... and all that is in this plan, yes, manpower is the first thing that is analyzed when a strategy is drawn up, that is, human potential, actually, mob resource, yes, actually, if you understand your human potential, then you equip it not only with appropriate ammunition, armored vehicles, tactics, appropriate strategy and so on, that is... well, there are 12 parameters by which these things are determined, it is very difficult to talk to the americans on this topic, therefore that they are everything understand, they understand it at the level of aerobatics, that is, if you formulate the answers to these questions, then you are all right, if you do not even stage them, because starting from manpower, ending with infrastructure, all these are components of...

complete there are basic indicators of development and strategy, including tactics, so it is obvious that the task of the current moment is to come into contact with both one and the other, and preferably with those who actually form the position of the military-political lobby of one and of the second political force and date the answer to these questions, because the numbers that relate to necessity. what supplies depending on the strategy are formulaic things, they will say it very quickly, the reserves , including, allow you to develop in three directions, or to start a lendlease, but everyone understands perfectly well that the enterprise is a yoke, they are disassembled, the part is disassembled for scrap metal, that is, this we need to talk about completely different things, it is possible to technologically raise the level much higher and thereby compensate for many...

components that we just talked about, the third, it is possible to use what stands in the desert and what was talked about so much, but it never moved, because the quantitative parameters there will impress many, if we talk about the possibility of bringing them to operational capabilities there, so today , if we can recommend with you to the military and political leadership of ukraine, those who... this has been known for a long time, washington is in contact with both those who are developing these approaches, it is necessary to enter into a dialogue and work out a serious, serious work, because this is not only an answer to the question of how things will be implemented that have already been decided, because that is also important, but also including, actually, what will happen in a year, because let's understand, including the americans , what we will give... to you, when

we do not know what it is given for, well, here is the question, mr. roman, you know, the readiness of russia to arrange an exchange, whether it be one to five or one to ten military personnel, i think that the russian interventionists calculated their mob resource very well, as well as the possibility and prospects of attracting some additional ones formation, i don't know mercenaries from the countries there , i don't know the near east of africa and not only from there and the second point is a matter of strategic depth. the enemy, and we also understand that the koms missile systems are very good at 300 km, but the strategic depth gives the enemy certain advantages. of course, this is a super important thing, and it is clear that the topic of strategy development, to a greater extent, gives an answer to the question you have just formulated. if there is an understanding of the relevant threats, then it will be clearly understood

what they actually are. potential threats can to eliminate, or to compensate, or to prevent, or to strike at a stage still there, let's say, the conditions of conditional preparation for application and so on, all this depends on the understanding of the objective understanding of the situation, what we are dealing with, for your knowledge i want one to name a thing, we have heard, well, in my opinion since december , that first there will be a russian counteroffensive in march... then in april, now they say it will be in june, this is also important to understand, is it just an informational balancing thing, or is it, say, a serious assessment of the decisions of the military and political leadership the enemy, or are these conjectures, after all, in ukrainian society there is a part of people who do not suffer from sclerosis, and they

record all this, and if it is still... ends, then they scan.