shows how inadequate we are to understand the modern world, why do you think that the future of the army will not be a safe space in which everyone performs different functions, you look at the modern army, you understand that if society did not work, the ukrainian society, then the topic of the army would be... well, it would be practically nominal, and you and i probably would not be sitting here, as we are sitting with you now and using the modern possibilities of modern technologies, therefore the topic of the future is, first of all, a topic of space, what the putinites are doing, today , yesterday, the day before yesterday, every day, they are destroying a lot with cabs

. our partners, they are watching and talking, we are waiting for the ukrainian pilots to prepare, this is normal, this is abnormal, and you know why it is abnormal, because they do not understand that they are practically watching how they will be killed or destroyed tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. so we do everything to avoid this happened, but i simply use this example, exacerbating it, to show how inadequate the situation is in terms of understanding, perception and actions . content order comes first. the question, and the question of thinking, thinking

of what, thinking of an operational action, a specific task, or thinking precisely by the global world, which is faced with a choice, or we will operate with civilizational regimes of international law that ensure humanity and peace, or are we practically now waiting, as in the 14th year everyone was waiting, what will happen next? with ukraine, we waited until the 22nd year, we are now in the 24th year, what are we doing, we act inadequately from the position of partners, why? because our partners do not understand these depths, it is impossible to understand, from their level of comfort and life in the rule of law, in the spirit of law, to understand how the terrorist-barbaric act.

groups that are represented as a state, it is very difficult, so we have to work harder, you and i, well then literally one minute for the answer to where we should go from the point of view of the vision of our society, because the nsdc announced that it is necessary to ensure the development of a doctrine on planning for the future after the war, the secretary of the nsdc oleksandr spoke about this there. danilo, he said about the development that this visa will contribute to the formation of public consensus. i would like you to just explain, in fact, why such a doctrine and vision is needed and why after the victory, maybe it was needed yesterday and even the day before yesterday? today, she is needed today, alone a minute is straight, well, it's a tin, but i 'll say, first of all, the doctrine we have to follow is this: ukraine leads. the ukrainian civilizational war,

genocidal aggression against ukraine, practices of terror and barbarism. ukraine must build a vision that began with the maidan of freedom and dignity, and it can be called conventionally, as a working name, it is a vision of maidan ukraine, civilization, peace and humanity. panego, grigory, thank you very much for the explanation, for your conceptual vision of what is happening in ukraine, around ukraine. let me remind you that it was hryhoriy lyubovets, the head of the center of conjunctive and content security, and we talked about such things that actually distinguish society and the population in certain states from the point of view of forming a basis for conducting and endurance in combat operations, this is such a complex category, where there is a lot of dark and... .gray and light, and this is

what should be taken care of by the state, which wants to rely on the entire potential of society and sometimes avoid practices that provoke or generate russian ones. federation, the russian way in certain things is actually detrimental to in order to carry out some transformations in our ukrainian society, we understand that this should not happen, precisely these new visions, new approaches need the unity of society, and the authorities, and intelligent people who want to find their ukrainian way in such difficult conditions, when the enemy wants to destroy us. the army and the armed forces are extremely important, but we also need new ideas and unity, which is now extremely necessary in view of the risks that russia is currently forming not only on the battlefield. these are the main takeaways from this program, stay tuned on the spresso channel, there will be a lot more interesting.

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by football, stronger together. glory to ukraine, dear tv viewers, on espresso tv channel, west studio program. we will analyze the most important events of this week, in particular, we will talk about the historic decision of the united states to provide us with the necessary financial and military assistance. at the same time , we will analyze the medium-term prospects of a protracted war with the russian federation. our guests today are myroslav cheh, a member of the polish sejm for the second term, as well as an iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat, roman bezsmertyy. myroslav cech, a historian, publicist, deputy of the polish diet of the second and third term, will be working on the air of the tv channel. glory to ukraine, myroslava, congratulations. well, joseph biden made a decision, not just a decision, but a strategic decision, and here we understand that it is not only about money, an extremely large

amount, it is about etaxems and that the united states was already on the alert, waiting for the decision of the last , the last signature, the last signature, in order to restore normal supplies of ammunition and further down the list, it is extremely important for attacks, it is not just about weapons, but about symbolic weapons and about the so-called red. the lines drawn on his forehead in the kremlin. well, first of all, attack camps, as the media reports, the media report 100, with a range of up to 300 km, the decision was made already in february, and they arrived in ukraine in march, and have already been used twice by the ukrainian armed forces for attacks, among others on the airfield in dzhankoya, which is very revealing, that is, we understand that they should have used the attack. only on territories of ukraine, including usually occupied territories, but this means that if

the vast majority of them will be used and in larger quantities, then it will mean that the russians in crimea will have a very, very bad time, which we can only be happy about, yes, but on the other hand, it does not cancel a large-scale war, so we understand that may, june, july will be extremely fierce, well... here is the key story, if we take the medium-term strategic prospects of support for us from the european union and the united states, that is, how far they are now ready to go in brussels, in individual capitals, in particular in berlin, paris and washington. well, when determining how far they are willing to go, it is now necessary to listen to jens stoltenberg, the secretary general of nato, who stated that military objectives are on the territory. of the russian federation, and not the occupied territories of ukraine, are legitimate targets for the armed forces of ukraine. that is, everything

that serves the russian army on the territory of russia can be a target of attacks from ukraine. this is a very far-reaching taka a declaration that did not exist six months ago, as well as jens stoldeng's statements about and the decision of nato member countries about the military mission. nato, which should help ukraine, yes stoltenberg's statement, when it was not determined in america whether it would help or not , that nato could take over the entire burden of helping ukraine, and not the ramshteim format, which the americans immediately denied, we are the leaders here, but let's not move, and this only meant that the role of europe and the european members of nato, which in principle in... and macron, well, the same should be said of donald tusk, and to a certain extent of jens

stoltenberg, they stated that there is, there may be such a situation in the future that the european members of nato are responsible for all assistance to ukraine, which cannot please in the context what we have seen for six months in america. yes, but in any case , we understand that ensuring our defense is not... still about money, it's anti-missile defense systems, it's patriot systems, and we also understand what's happening now, that is, the russians have shown their criminal tactics, that is well, on the example of kharkiv, the same thing, that is , to completely de-energize the city and then try to turn it into a wasteland, one patriot, one battery of patriots already, as i understand it, germany is transferring, next is greece and spain, which have patriots, huh. they wanted some kind of enhanced guarantees of financial compensation from other

nato member countries and also one by one batteries the united states should provide it, so when it comes to the development and the provision of patriots by patriots, it will be planes, i understand that the situation was complicated simply by the training of pilots, unfortunately, this process did not take place at the pace that ukrainians are conditionally mastering. of the haimars, which took place there for three weeks, and the haimars with pilots were already ready, after all with the f-16, it should continue for a long time, because the training of pilots in regular mode is 2.5 years, and in fact 5 years, here in in ukraine, it will take place in a year and 3-4 months, that is, it started late, it is so, on the contrary, it is going at a rapid pace, well, at a rapid pace, but still slowly, so we understand that russia train the troops, russia... is preparing additional resources, not only manpower, but also technical

resources, and we understand that russia has set itself the goal of a long war, a protracted war, and at the moment they are proactive, that is, they launch aggression as soon as we get attacks, the situation may change, but in any case, everyone was very worried when president macron started talking about a front line that could run along the dnieper. and accordingly, how the vision of what needs to be done and what they are ready to do has changed now our various allies, friends and so on. fear that russia will arm. to the teeth and it is already ready to reach the english channel, if there is no unification of nato and enhanced restoration of the capabilities of european nato countries and so on, it is already behind us, the situation at the front, as ukrainian and military experts say, is not as tragic as and it might have seemed to them, i understand, with all my support and

everything, all the feelings that can be expressed to the residents of kharkiv, who each... is the target of those terrorist attacks from russia, but to take such a city as kharkiv, this is what i understand, all military experts say that it would take several hundred thousand, thousands of russian hordes, avdiivka was taken by a russian group that numbered more than 80 thousand soldiers, and it took them several months there, and even in the natsivka itself they say that if there was a supply of shells earlier. artillery shells, then the audio would never have been taken, even jack sullivan said about it, and this is us, the leading dove of peace and everything else in america and so on, and he said if you had given help earlier, then avdiyuk would not have fallen, well, but avdiyuk has fallen and now it's about holding the front line, which i mean, it's a war of

attrition, in fact, the russians may think that they've had too much. they have, but this is far from the case, because americans have the same understanding of several factors as europeans: firstly, russia cannot win a war of attrition by definition, it is too weak, confrontations with nato, that is , the european union, the united states, canada , it is clear, moreover, the potential of europe itself both in the defense sphere and in the military, already in the narrower sense, then... then both aircraft and artillery and the armed forces themselves, the military and so on, can oppose russia, and russia will not be able to withstand a conditional attack against nato, it has been fighting against ukraine for more than 10 years, let's not forget that this is a war, well, it's a question of the level of intensity of fighting, and now we see that

the level of intensity is not decreasing only gradually, gradually it is still being added, although it's just there in some areas the front is hell. that's right, that's why , first of all, the potential cannot be equaled, russia will not win a war of attrition, firstly, secondly, in the long-term perspective, and this process has already begun, the west has switched its attention not only to providing ukraine with weapons and money, but also to restoring ukraine's economic potential and defense potential. now they are going, well, i understand, because some cases are secret, of course, but extensive work is underway to... restore the work of ukrainian defense factories, production and shells and everything else, from the speech of american officials , you can understand that now america and europe will do everything to make ukraine stand very firmly on its feet, that is why the transmission of atakamsya, i take into account, of course, that this is

the repelling of russian planes with cabs and so on, but in fact it is about crimea. about novorossiysk, about the black sea fleet, that is, ensuring the safety of odessa and black sea ships, so that ukraine has an open window for exports, imports , exports of its products and imports of products from the world, that is, to be an economically capable state. the military goals now, as i understand it, are for ukraine to equalize front line, and gained the ability to inflict. such losses to the russians that they will not have the opportunity to compensate them, now all military experts say so, the russians mobilize somewhere around 30-40,000 troops every month, somewhere around 25-30,000 are destroyed, and it is about their losses were greater as the possibilities of mobilization, and now it is about this, and the third

factor, which we cannot completely omit, is what the americans and state secretary blinkin are already directly declaring went to pakin to talk with china and say this: friends, you have to decide, either you support russia, then you will have sanctions and you will have a problem with the full program, like those who support the aggressor, or you will curtail this aid, because i must say, i i didn't know this number, but it is impressive that 90% of machines for the production of barrels and tanks, and shells and so on, are supplied to russia, china, 70%, i don't know, some other separate equipment, that's why. .. joe biden spoke to sisimpino, warned him that you you are coming to a point where we will use all means against you, and that is why chancellor scholz was, sisimpinna, sysimpinna is going to

come to paris in may to talk, all this will be the day before the swiss peace forum, that is exactly what we are approaching, with what observers from beijing will come to switzerland, we understand that the russians will not be there, they would rather just... maybe there would be belarusians as observers, but i don't have this information at the moment. in any case , the civilized western world will outline its parameters, vision, not just formulas peace, but also the readiness to support ukraine, that is, the alignment of the geopolitical clocks, what will happen now in switzerland, will happen in switzerland, the event has been decided, the event has been decided, representatives of the so-called global south will come there, and the only question that remains is whether china will come or no... china will come to belarus , with all due respect to belarus and the belarusian people, of course, whether china will come, even as an observer, or as a non-participant and so on,

that is, negotiations are ongoing, and china is really at such a crossroads, whether it will or won't happen, instead it talks about the global south, the principles on which a new world order can be established and a formula for ending the war in ukraine can be decided, it is also written, the formula is... president zelenskyi's plan, where the first point is the observance of sovereignty and the inviolability of territorial integrity of all states, this is the first point, the rest is secondary to this first point, and the first point will determine everything, that is why the russians are doing, standing on their ears, conditionally, to torpedo this summit, because the summit, when come and when the formula will be discussed. plan of president zelenskyi's peace plan, then the first point is restoration, well, of course , restoration in the borders of 1991, by 200 there in 22, where they also grabbed

the zaporizhia and kherson regions, that is , the russians, so everything will be determined here, or you you stand on this side, or these or that side, and here you can't stand between yours and ours, formula, formula. china, that it is possible to be a mediator and go to ukraine for some territorial compromises, she hopes, and it won't be there, fine, but we understand, it is possible to support ukraine, but germany strongly supports ukraine in the matter of supplying taurus, there is a certain line that the germans do not want to cross. when we talk about aviation, we still talk about the f-16, not the f-35 and so on and so forth. we understand that the issue of delineating the framework is one of... and the readiness to adhere to and force russia to this or that peace formula is a little different, well, that is, on paper very often everything looks very smooth, but when we talk about

forcing russia, anton, well, there is already one the red lines of destruction have already arrived, those attacks are 300 km long, well, the taurus would of course be good if they came, but this is not a reproach, it is just a demonstration of what we can say and call for one, but for that ... they should go very specific, sometimes tough actions, of course, everyone should help ukraine, that's the point, well, but there is an internal situation of individual states, but in america it took half a year with the absolute persistence and full, but full commitment of president biden, it took half a year for the republicans to supported this agreement, and then, well, it was half and half that, in fact, how critically important it was. was that what did he have, what badge did president biden have when he signed the agreement, when he signed these laws, a badge with the flags of the united states and ukraine, not israel, not

taiwan, or with all of them, only with ukraine, because it was a cardinal question, what played, well , played differently, trump, johnson, that's what happened there, trump and johnson, vladimir vladimirovich putin played. because he gave an interview to carson at the beginning of february that he he calls it carson tucker, tucker carlson gave an interview where he showed that he distributes cards in the american elections and that this is the american deep state prus reagan republicans, because there are also the heads of the committee there , defense intelligence, it seems, and foreign affairs of the house of representatives, they are such reagan hawks then it was very wrong for them... camillo, because vladimir vladimirovich came , he says who the americans should elect as president, and he also says, no, well, we, in fact, we would be better off if it were

biden, well... these are not games like this with the americans, well, that's why they were broken very much, and this breakdown happened so, well, so brilliantly, because once these trumpists succeeded in overthrowing mccarthy, the speaker of the house of representatives, for the first time in 240 years, which was simply an unheard of phenomenon, here the democrats made a mistake, of course, that they supported this proposal, not without foreseeing the consequences that would be, well, and then after... their game with johnson began, that they would also dislodge him from the speaker's chair, well, this it didn't work out, and there are various factors involved played their role, they say that trump's own witness hearings showed him that it can't be like that, it may be that he will not be a candidate, because when he will be, i heard such a version that donald trump understood, so that he played his isolationist card and... in

certain resources, so to speak, of his electoral sympathies, he needs to go to another field, that is, he should be a big player, so to speak, and not a pro-russian figure, because well, the issue of russian aggression against ukraine is this serious even for american politics you think good about donald trump i'm a little bit worse no i just see johnson's behavior yeah i mean johnson johnson i think played he really wanted the republicans to keep. party unity, well , it didn’t work out, and he was faced with those who stefanchuk would have gone against the decision of, for example, president zelensky, so we understand that johnson is not by himself johnson the speaker of the congress, well, he secured the support of trump, and after that vote trump said he is our good guy, that is, trump supported johnson, i must say, supported, why, why, why, why, i think there

was a very clear situation there. and it is based on such a very serious matter, that is, you get access to all intelligence data, as the speaker of the house of representatives at briefings, almost presidential information, and there in black and white, as i understand it, it was written, just johnson himself said, that’s it one secret, he was told that if he did not support ukraine, then it was necessary to send our soldiers and our boys to europe, to protect them. nato, and then the responsibility of such a person who knew that they would send american boys to their deaths and did not provide assistance to ukraine, although ukraine is heroically resisting russian aggression, then the responsibility is punishment. uhu, before the american court, well, john trump is being reprimanded for many cases, among others, for january 6, 2020, it's true, nothing

is forgotten, there the citizen goes. to the court and let's go, and then the parents of those boys who, for example, would have died in europe, because they had to be sent to some front in a conditional lithuania or in a conditional poland or in estonia, and then johnson would be there, they said, you're a dude, you had the opportunity to prevent my son from dying, and you did it, so what? yes, well, you yourself mentioned the story about the return of the boys, and accordingly we understand that ukrainian citizens. are currently in the european union and in poland, in particular hundreds of thousands of millions of people, and accordingly, our ministry of foreign affairs has put forward such an initiative, in particular, when it comes to the temporary non-provision of consular services until the law on mobilization comes into force, and accordingly, perhaps it would be worthwhile to enter from the other side, to start one or another negotiations with individual capitals of the european union in order to help ukraine return its

sons home, somehow. but in any case, the story caused a very heated discussion, that is, i don't know how to do with the non-provision of consular services, but if there are possible return mechanisms, maybe it should be used? well, of course, there are mechanisms, i am generally, well, i am not a citizen of ukraine, but i am generally surprised by the discussion about mobilization, well, i am a little i am in ukraine and i feel the mood of the society, in the first half or the second half of last year, there were no such moods that people, let's say, did not understand what was needed... to mobilize, well, you understood, there is a state, its needs are on the front line alone it's been two years, and reserves are needed, well, everything is clear, instead , a political game began around the issue of mobilization, and it was a parallel game, you like conspiracies, it had to be followed, everyone likes conspiracies, why the question of mobilization, which was not on the agenda discussion.