a short pause, but you don't switch, during this time you can do the work, then the project about politics about the world with maria gurska to stay with espresso. it's about politics, it's about politics, it's about the world, i'm maria gurska, journalist of the ukrainian tv channel espresso and editor-in-chief of the eu sisters portal. next to me is pavel koval, head of the uzzekordon committee. thank you very much for this introduction, first time in our program, i'm in this new role, good afternoon, as always we will summarize the information week and let's talk about the main events for ukraine, poland and europe. let's start with the fact that this week the senate of the united states of america voted for a package of military and financial aid to ukraine in the amount of almost 61 billion. how important is this support now

for the ukrainian army, for ukraine, but what is the strategic importance of this aid package? i would say that this is primarily a tactical value. now i will explain it. if the weapons are delivered to ukraine on time, we have great hope that putin will not tactically pass, will not break through front line and that no trouble will happen. the strategic importance is somewhat different. the important thing here is that this aid package gives us all time to build some more weapons and prepare for war in the second half of the year. i think that last year someone didn't calculate, didn't calculate and didn't prepare on this side of the front line, because the front line itself is super well prepared, very well, both on the information technology side and in other ways, i'm just like that saw when i was at the front, it made an impression on me, but i asked myself and i know that many people asks himself how it happened. that there was

a problem with ammunition at all, i hope it will not happen again, so the tactical meaning is that now we will probably be able to stop putin, i am talking about the whole west, he will not go any further, this means that the ukrainians have a chance to hold the front line , strategic importance, we will gain time to provide the ukrainians with anti-aircraft weapons, anti-aircraft defense, possibly taurus, that is, carriers that will allow us to reach and hit the targets inside. from within the us, what was the guidance of the speaker of the house mike johnson and other politicians, how were the discussions, what was most important in the decision, you were there the whole time, the week before and during the decision, so i was really looking forward to this meeting to ask you how all this was. an important mission, it was partly

a joint visit by me and representatives of the german parliament and the french national assembly, there were three of us, and then i was alone, in general there were these meetings, i think we reached several dozen senators and deputies, the house of representatives, in addition , we had a special hearing very official in the subcommittee on european affairs, in the foreign affairs committee, and additionally something similar in the house of representatives plus five or six meetings in think tanks, you could say it looked like that. i myself developed some simple, commonplace arguments that might reach someone in the united states, but of course the decision was also made at the highest level, and i believe that there were two, maybe three main elements that influenced that decision. first element, in my opinion, became the tension among the european allies of the united states of america, because it suddenly turned out that the united states, used to being the first in everything,

the largest and so on, does not play such a significant role in helping ukraine, because military aid can still be compared with provided by european allies, but much less humanitarian aid, so suddenly it turned out that the united states is not doing well in this regard. the pressure began, which was followed by a tweet from prime minister donald tusk, but that's the point certainly not in a tweet. the fact is that he suddenly attracted the french, the germans, and then the countries of northern europe. johnson, man, you can be a chamberlain, you probably want to be a churchill, but you'll be a chamberlain. i mean, johnson could have been the one to let this modern-day hitler into europe in no time. another factor, i think, was conscience, just conscience, a sort of political conscience, in my experience it is... johnson decided he didn't want

to take responsibility, that's for sure. there was little space, it was also significant the lobby inside the united states of america is very strong, also economic, because sometimes we have had to use the following argument, because these weapons and these ammunition will generally be bought here in the united states, so if you do not vote for this, with this money you will weaken the defense industry, the production , for example in alabama, so that's another argument that was there, i think an important argument was also that information about everywhere. which we said everywhere after my visit to the front, which spread rapidly, this message amounted to that there is a risk of a breakthrough of the front line and that this is a serious risk, this was the intelligence information that reached us, and it was talked about a lot in the united states, in washington, and it was managed to convey it to the leaders of the congress, in

the package of american aid to ukraine missiles long-range atakms, do you think the us example will be a sufficient argument for the german chancellor. that this aid package from the usa may be the last for ukraine in the foreseeable future, from many of my polish friends i now hear the opinion that this package is important, but it is not will become breakthrough, and in the future everything can only be worse. what can we say to critics and pessimists? and what can we say

about the future? this packet may turn out to be the last, every packet may turn out to be the last, or it may turn out to be the first of many. there may be another way, i really don't know why people think this package is the last one, just saying i can answer it, don't be pessimistic, just do your own thing, if they are politicians, publicists, opinion leaders, then let each one do what he ought to do, therefore i exhort to correct understanding of this war, this war is putin's challenge to the entire west, and in this sense we are helping ukraine, but we are also helping the west, we are defending the west, we are defending our values, our civilization from putin. now ukrainian military experts say that with a sufficient number of weapons, ukraine will be able to launch a counteroffensive to liberate its territories from the russian invaders already this summer. at the same time , western experts say that putin will want to break through this fall, and maybe even earlier front and especially seeks to capture kharkiv. we

really see that they have such appetites now, they are directly confirmed by the recent statements of the russian minister lavrov, on which the development of events depends. it depends on how prepared one is, it depends on luck, but it also depends on how motivated the allies are. as for ukraine, ukraine has to mobilize, and it is starting now. no one can replace the ukrainian state in this regard. there aren't many ways to help, there are minimal, but the west can deliver ammunition in time, and as i said, this is a purely tactical matter. without it, it will not be possible to move forward. the second thing is that

polish minister of defense władysław kosiniak kamysh said that poland is ready to help ukraine return men of conscription age. currently, without specifics, lithuanian defense minister laurinas kaschunas clarifies that these may be restrictions on social benefits, issuance of work permits and other documents. but lithuania is waiting here, for example, for poland, what will this polish initiative be? haven't said yet some things, as i have already said, we will probably be able to do, but i would like to avoid one misunderstanding: the question of mobilization is always a question of a specific country, its sovereignty, etc., so other countries can help, but they cannot cross a certain line, for how everything that

concerns the ukrainian state itself is going, ukrainian institutions should deal with it first of all, i would not like us to move the borders so far that it would seem as if other countries have answered it. i agree with you, we talked about it before, but now ukraine took a key step and introduced restrictions, now a person older than 18 years of age is ukrainian. what symmetrical steps can poland take to help ukraine return conscripted men of legal age to protect european borders? perhaps these should be steps related to declaring one's defense status, participation in the defense of ukraine in various procedures. i don't really want to go into details because i didn't prepare for it in detail. return to this topic in the next broadcast, and i will think about what i can say here

these can be actions, but i still want it to sound clear, this is the business of the ukrainian state, we can help a little with this, even for various psychological reasons, we cannot cross a certain line, because there are many aspects here, but we can help , there will be help. russia is attacking ukraine's energy infrastructure. energy issues are one of the main topics of our work, i see this in conversations with my

western colleagues, because in many countries or in several large western countries there are government officials like me, my colleagues, they say that one of the main directions should definitely be the issue of green energy, it is also the issue of ukraine's adaptation, which will take place during the negotiations on joining the european union. we will remind that , of course, today the green course is criticized, but the green course is not only an issue of agriculture, it is also an issue of energy, and agriculture and energy efficiency in cities, a significant part of these decisions will take place in the process of accession changes, but also, and i see, i see it from different priorities from conversations in various circles in europe that this will also very clearly apply to the reconstruction plan, it is now clear that the reconstruction plan is not about rebuilding one to another to restore everything as it was. was before the war, for example, one of the main issues will be the issue of energy, namely smart

consumption, the use of green energy, of course, in independence from russia, this is the number one priority. so we expect polish business and investors in ukraine. this is certainly a question of investors, but it is also a question of public investment. these are big funds that will come to you after the war, and which will certainly be part of international structures, are financial. war should never be one to one, because for example population structure changes, more people live in

completely different places, people move because of war and don't want to go back to old places, so countries never rebuild as it was, it's creative process, and this equally applies to energy, it means that if, for example, a residential block is to be rebuilt, then it must be done according to a technology that involves an ecological approach to energy, that is... and we are already thinking about such solutions. we don't just think, we already analyze them, we already have concrete basic working out how everything will look like. polish president andrzej duda invited polish prime minister donald tusk to a conversation on may 1 regarding the placement of nuclear weapons in poland. during his visit to warsaw, nato secretary jen stoltenberg did not confirm that such a plan for poland currently exists. however, there is a heated political debate within the country, which is also discussed do you think

warsaw and kyiv need nuclear weapons in poland? it's not a quick thing, you know, we have a heated internal political debate about it right now, simply because the president announced it publicly without any consultation. of course, this idea has long been circulating among various security experts, it makes sense, but only under certain conditions, including when the united states is determined. whether this idea is good or bad, you need to think about how to report something and to whom to report it and not run with these ideas immediately,

on tuesday, the european parliament supported the extension for one year of the agreement on duty-free trade in food products with ukraine, it provides. agree, if we talk about the issue of agriculture, not about everything, but in this sense we have also made more progress in understanding the compromise in europe, because there are certain interests of spain, portugal, france, italy, ours, many other countries, we should understand. certain restrictions on the application of the principles of the green course in agriculture, of course, this was also discussed, always there will definitely be someone who will say that this is not enough, i can guarantee one thing, as it has been said many times, we

will always protect our producers, and ukraine will also protect its producers when it joins... we note that the european parliament meets this week for the last time in this convocation before the upcoming elections in june. and consider that the next elections to the european parliament in 5 years may be elections with ukrainian candidates. that's right, you 're smiling now, i'm smiling with joy, no it's because i'm so kind, but no, it's because i'm really happy with such a prospect, i would say that after a maximum of 10 years these elections will already be with the ukrainians, i believe in it, maybe even in 5 years it will become possible , we will see how the negotiations go, i believe that the negotiations should go quickly, ukraine should have

its seats in the european parliament, i am also a supporter of the distribution of seats in various other bodies, for example in the co if we try to summarize this term, what was important for ukraine and poland, especially from the point of view of security? we all faced with new threats, when full-scale war broke out, what was the role of the european parliament? there are several elements, certainly the role of president roberta metzola herself, who was very active and involved in the ukrainian cause. also, the european government this term has generally been excellent, i have often looked at ursula funderlajen's actions with admiration and affection, so what are the hopes of ms mezzola, speaker of the parliament? as for

the european parliament itself, it is a good institution from the point of view of such door-knocking, it is a little ram. because constantly, when a problem arises, the european parliament is such a vanguard, and that's good. you can say that this is not a problem, this is a solution. the european parliament is actually the vanguard of politics that paves the way for ukraine when it comes to military aid, enlargement and accession negotiations, because all these things were prepared precisely in the european parliament as a concrete political concept. what does poland expect from the next election? first, i can speak on behalf of my environment, because i already know who is in lists, there are also a number of people well trained in european issues, there are some discussions about the very role of a member of the european parliament, my opinion is that

these members should be considered as potential politicians who support national policy at the european level. should it be considered some kind of super positions, some people think so, but it's definitely not, so there's this team of well-trained candidates who often come directly from the governments and from the public positions in warsaw, i think that helps a lot because when someone comes to brussels and is elected, everyone looks at what he has done before, so that he is a strong candidate, a strong player, and his affairs have weight, from poland there is an ex-prime minister, several ministers, and this looks positive .

program, we said a few words about russian influence in the context of what is currently happening in georgia. we started the path to the european union together. saakashvili's georgian reforms were an example for ukraine, very progressive. and a powerful example of the courage of the nation for the whole world. but what now is happening, it can be called a transit from democracy to the arms of russia. what can we say about this? the same public opinion survey. that public opinion polls still show that georgia is one of the most pro-european societies, precisely societies, not states, because the georgian government is extremely divided, we see it even

within the georgian dream, there are different trends, but it is clear that now in the country is winning the trend of tightening the nuts and applying the solutions used by putin. foreign agents, that is, simply against international ones relations, diplomacy, which does not even concern professionals, but civil society, because their decisions are directed against the people, they will not win,

there will be no profit from this, i do not see any prospects here, it only accelerates the moment of rebellion, but the government, when it sharp, when she starts to press, she always forgets that with this she only accelerates the moment, memory, the moment of change, georgia. will georgia be part of europe? georgia will be 100% part of europe, because we look at it and see a group of politicians, a narrow group of politicians from the georgian dream, because, i emphasize, not all of them are playing this political game now, they may be under pressure from putin, i don't know by what arguments and i don't want to judge anyone, probably everyone has different motivations, but it is known that this is the wrong direction . the only, most important information, the society is super-european, rooted in europe, i am talking about...

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continue this front partial topic and that, what we talked about this week, when the ministry of foreign affairs announced the suspension of consular services to men who are abroad, they say that you need to come home and confirm everything, clarify whether you think such a decision will be effective, whether the one that is currently in place will give results ukraine needs it, or the reverse, well... first of all, i consider this decision, this step, as a temporary step, as an emergency step, the fact is that there is some time before the law on mobilization, which precisely deals with this issue of providing consular services, he has enter into force in some time, that is, i understand that there are two aspects here, firstly, this is a technical aspect related to the fact that by the time the law enters into force,

it is necessary to... adapt the system of providing consular services .