that it will be very difficult for president biden to comply with this demand of the lawmakers, and that it will put the white house in an awkward position, and may even force him to prove that ukraine does not need these missiles, or that it threatens the national security of the united states, until suddenly we found out after the passage of the bill, that the missiles were already transferred even before the law was passed, that's why the americans delayed so long, and then , without even waiting for the law, took it and transferred it, er... i want to say that we are saying now, well there, let's say , in general about atakams missiles, but we know that they are of different types, and in particular what our partners are talking about, these are attack missiles from the first series of production, with a range of 165 km, and we remember that there was already a discussion, including in the information field about inflicting blows by them, we remember that in berdyansk there were blows on the airfield.

and some airfields were also struck by cluster bombs, where a certain number of russian helicopters were destroyed, and these were attack missiles, but at this range, they have a range of 165 km, which they were handed over to us, this was even before the discussion, when we had a setback at the front, well, let's say so, but there was still no such politicization of aid, and then when it was necessary they... were handed over and used, and such a strong fear was our partners, it is that we do not use them on russian territory, they are still afraid of this, that is why it was a question of 165 km, of course , the potential will open up for us, if we get their newest missiles, what uh can fly 300 km and there is a radius of deviation from the coordinates a hit there at... plus or minus 5m, those are pretty

accurate missiles, so of course they would give us more options, because to launch even those 165 km, kilometer missiles, if you want to hit something seriously, you have to get close very cleverly to the front line of the front, and this increases their vulnerability, and if we take about 300, then the crimean bridge falls, although it no longer plays such a role, but in principle... and it is a backup source for the supply of logistics, then he still isn't there, he shouldn't be, that's why i believe that this is first another target, it must be destroyed, as well as objects in the territory of crimea, well, at the expense of other objects, we even today showed that ukraine continues to strike there with its own means, unmanned aerial vehicles on objects and on airfields, as applied. there were

strikes, including that the security service of ukraine, alpha, the center for special operations, and the main directorate of intelligence use it, and it is quite effective, as they are called, these missiles are for the poor with their massiveness play the role of striking the enemy's infrastructure, if there are no such missiles, tamahawk, then of course this is a way out, but when we talk about, you know, we are afraid of the fact that we do not have missiles. we call long-range missiles, there are short -range, medium-range and long-range missiles, they are in the nomenclature of strategic missiles, and these missiles are operational-tactical, they do not even fall into that nomenclature, but since they do not give us anything else, we are happy with them , and of course, i think we will make the most of them and we will deliver such blows to the enemy's rear, which will not be able to then, let's say, weaken their pressure on the front edge, the american media

. states of america, are already located either on the territory of poland or on the territory of the federal republic of germany. mr. roman, how quickly can these weapons be delivered to us now and how much can they change the balance of forces at the front? well, everything will depend. ours allies, but i will say that, we understand that this often happens, i will not say how precisely it happens, but it often happens that some of ours, even some of our allies, already understanding some of their weapons, in order to, for example, help to us, when a decision is made and when it is understood that it will be made, and if it is not, it will not change anything, to place some stocks in the european countries of our allies, so that we can then simply quickly determine through points there. in the borders,

to get this weapon, the most necessary, it is there and what exactly is there what is needed are rockets for chemical weapons, we really need a large number of them now, because supplies have been reduced. and this had a rather strong effect on our defense capability, this is the 155th caliber, er, and the other 105th, let's say, artillery shells, rockets, this is what we need in the first place now, and additional barrels and everything else, so it is often already either already on the territory of ukraine or close to ukraine, and i think that we will get the most necessary things quickly, the only question is how it will be distributed along the front and we understand that the main task is not only to get it, to establish it on the territory of ukraine, but also to preserve it, because russia now, according to our data, has included all its resources and the fsb, and the foreign

intelligence service, the main intelligence agency, to it they are interested in how they activated them in our partner countries, in order to see through which checkpoints these weapons enter, where they are concentrated. where she is separated, in order to then inflict blows on her. it is very important for them, because we see their reaction, they don't even they know what to say, they try to reduce it, piskov is there, he says, it won’t change anything there, you know, people who sit in the kremlin, realizing that there are hundreds of thousands of ammunition of various calibers going there, and it will be, well, tens of thousands killed and hundreds of thousands of crippled russians, they say, well, it won't change anything, because for them city life is nothing, well... if it doesn't change anything for them, then we understand that it will really strengthen us. if we talk about the perspective, then in principle, if you see the entire theater of war actions, do you really think that russia will advance intensively now and next week, precisely in order to secure some

positions before we receive a large amount of aid, as far as it is in principle realistic from the point of view of possibilities, well here, mr. vitaly, that we we mean, by offensive, i always allocate active actions, offensive and offensive operation, if we are talking about an offensive operation, then literally yesterday representatives of the intelligence came to us, that is exactly an offensive strategic operation, for example, there as i would play for the enemy carried out, there is a part from the kharkiv region, a part from zvugedar, there to make big pincers, let's say so, to capture some regions or at least regions, russia now, fortunately , does not have such forces. therefore, they now want to mobilize more than 4,000 people there to replenish the personnel for the creation of new units, they are at the stage of this, but active actions and tactical-level offensive operations, which in the case of our,

let's say, subsidence, can lead to some operational success, there employment there are several cities or several villages, it may be, but whether they will be successful or not, it depends on us and we... that's enough, i think it's easy, if help comes quickly now, we will raise the mobilization resource, we will be able to do this resist and stay at least on these borders. mr. roman, there will be another question that concerns the f-16, yes, we expect them according to one information at the end of may, according to information from other countries during 2024, when, well... to expect, because after all this, let's be so to say, one of the most effective countermeasures is that including shelling by the occupiers. well, the last information we saw was at the beginning of the summer

. if it's a matter of training, it's very important, because the problem is sometimes with the latest weapons, i've come across this many times and... it's so historical that you can give the best weapons, but if you don't train well, if they use it, at most 20% , i saw this effect when you give a person the best, well, for example, there is a thermal imager, he only knows on and out, then this, let's say, does not give us an advantage, so if it's a matter of good training of pilots, of course we need to train them well enough so that they can survive as much as possible from those f16s that will come to... but uh, to survive as much as possible, provided that they have normal radars, with normal equipment, which we are promised, and which can only give us a technical advantage over the enemy, because if they are f16 of older models, then in principle nothing may change, in addition to the possibility of shooting down shaheds there

and cruise missiles already on the territory of ukraine, and the main task, and wherever we would like to see them, is , of course, in confrontation in the air, because right before avdiyvka, russia did not have an advantage, because they had an advantage in the number of aircraft, but our air defense made it parity for that... at the expense of the fact that russia could not use it, but with the appearance of kabs, with the decrease in the number of anti-aircraft defense in us, russia, due to the advantage, i believe, avdiivka was captured, because the weapon is quite powerful, and it affected our defenders quite strongly , when it was no longer possible to hold and had to be transferred to others the position of our troops, and russia realized that this is their trump card for now, as in every war, when poison and against poison are found, someone has an advantage in the very ... short term, until someone finds something else, and now russia is trying this tactic can also be used

in the time gap, simply falling asleep with bombs, knocking out our defenders, so i believe that these f-16s, i would like them to come, i hope just before this start of russia's active actions, so that, this is exactly this is an antidote against the russian su 34 and 135, which are the carriers of the cabs, so that they are not give them a chance to fly up to the launch distance, that is, i think, their main task, in addition to helping with the air defense system, so that we can better hold our lines, i hope that in before the start of active operations, this is may, which we expect , there will be some number of them, and they will support us. thank you, thank you, mr. roman. roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on security, defense and intelligence, colonel of the security service of ukraine. we will now take a break for just a few minutes. but you stay with us. vasyl zima's big broadcast. two hours of airtime, two hours

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live broadcast, we are back, and we already have another guest, this is valery chaly, the ambassador

of ukraine in the united states of america in 2015-2019, mr. valery, good evening, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory, so let's talk about this publication in dievelt, where in the end they talked about the details of those russian proposals. which formed the basis of the agreements in istanbul, which were never initialed in both countries, i think that this is also important because just yesterday alexander lukashenko, during his speech at the all-russian people's assembly, said that russia and ukraine should sit down at the negotiating table , and these same arrangements have become a framework for starting consultations? well, this is already such an impression, we remember the distant past, i just... how many were there, well, from the civil society of ukraine, from

the military, in the 22nd year, march-april, how many and what was the reaction to what we learned , that something is being prepared there, i will tell you, well , then i actually wrote a whole 10 questions that the authorities should do so that, relatively speaking, it would not be difficult later after... years, then in principle they made a decree then, a delegation was formed and directives were issued, of course after that, after, i don't know why then ... the authorities were negatively disposed to the discussion, because, for example, i was simply instructed to be deleted from all channels, by the way, i am grateful to espressa, that is exactly espressa, p 'th, the live channel, which are now deleted, that they were broadcasting, and obviously, i saw not only this front page, even from those press conferences,

remember in istanbul, where our members were, they are there, i remind you, in four voices who... told me what surprised me right away, and the composition of this delegation surprised me a lot, there are my colleagues, former diplomats, a former student, sasha malinovskyi or oleksandr malinovskyi, who is actually a very experienced lawyer now, oleksandr chalyi, whose actual concept of these people, international lawyers, formed the basis, i see the preamble of this document, with a false i will make a note about the declaration about the state... this is a story that has been going on for years and why would it be a lie to directly give the russians these weapons against us, i don’t understand, that’s why this is a page where we should draw conclusions, because it is a trap, for such there was a wrapper there, well actually the disarmament of ukraine, and ukraine was made

defenseless against everything, well, it's clear that... where it was leading, wasn't it clear, so in principle, i think that this should have already become an example, well, just mistakes that should not be repeated , understanding the basic interests of russia, that is, it is going to destroy ukraine, and will not give up on this, why count on the same story with a record again, as they did, frankly, they also believed at the time. russia, what to write a treaty on friendship, partnership, cooperation, sovereignty is clearly written there, there is no interference in internal affairs, for this they compromised with russia, they allowed to have a base in crimea there for 20 years, that is, it is all russia, you cannot trust russia, that is, any, i will say even more, probably russia is not now, this regime

is not capable of negotiation, well it is for sure, it is easy to see that... they cannot withstand international agreements or international rules, therefore , on the one hand, firstly, those who will now start speaking, including the members of this, this delegation from the ukrainian side, and some of them have remained in their positions, working for important positions in ukraine, and some, well , if the experts who continue this campaign in europe, saying that there was a good chance, well, it is absolutely cynical to say so, because... there was no chance, putin had completely different goals, and there is, moreover, also russia at that time, and putin himself did not want it, the appetites were great, that is, all this would not have increased, because it is in its basic design, it is absolutely catastrophically wrong, even if i tell you such a thing , let them tell me, as

a neutral state, how they wanted to do, a neutral state that renounces its own, well, it is possible... to be in collective defense, why should it reduce to 85 thousand armies, why should it reduce and decapitate itself and make itself completely defenseless, can someone explain why collective defense is possible there to balance something at the expense of others, in a neutral state, well, that's it, you can only tell some people who don't understand the situation, that's why it's thrown away, i think for that, well, thrown away. published in order to once again put pressure on ukraine in the sense that everything we will have to agree to different capitulation conditions, that's all, and if the ukrainians will play along with it, i will come out once again, just like today, and say that it is a play along, they play along with the aggressor, and

all these words have been said that our ... men-women - this does not explain their position, because there will be many more deaths if this course of events is allowed. mr. valery, you have already rightly said about why such documents are thrown into the mass media in general, this raises the question of whether such initiatives are possible now or in the future from one of the parties, and in principle, conditionally speaking, even some. the countries of the west or even russia itself would be ready to return and promote this agenda, such similar agreements as we have seen right now in the western press. i will say my subjective point of view, what appeared recently also through zmi, for some reason it was called erdogan's plan, or the turkish plan, you

remember, but in fact i know, i myself conducted some such a small investigation, the russian ciplan , he was imported there in a strange way, well, he is real, he printed there on paper, and this one is now coming back to me as well... i think that for me this is evidence that russia is groping for some kind of understanding of the possibilities, it also somewhere wants to see how ukrainian society reacts, how divisive it is and which strata, that is in principle , at that time this plan was rather made, i mean the istanbul document or this document, although for the sake of justice it must be said that it arrived. to a normal document, it was only a preparation, although there are some signatures from the ukrainian side, but this is not an international legal document, so now and then, and now it is an attempt

to play again this game of subversion from within ukrainian society, no more, no less, so it seems to me that russia feels something that we do not see, that they have their own serious problems exist, they see them and start already... and now and before, they start, well, at least test the situation, that is, this is approximately their desire, if, well, i, you know, i don't know what to say about this , because i know only one thing, that everything was possible with russia speaks from the point of view of treaties, the side is already turned upside down with this regime, only force methods, only force means, they can understand. perhaps this is an attempt to test in ukraine, so that our partners will pressurize later, well, it seems that from what is perceived by a part of ukrainian

society there, you can say so, but i emphasize once again, it will not all end with such agreements, there will be no such thing, i.e. everything is the main agreement and everything that will happen after the completion of this russian-ukrainian, long-term stage. maybe you don't want to of course, but rather just a few decades of confrontation. that's all, well, this large-scale, this part can end without any agreements, it can end with what will be recorded in the war, both on land and in other parts. but even in this divelt publication it is said that russia then began to make additional demands on ukraine, which could not be accepted by any means. there, declare russian a second language. state, something like that, the impression is that they are still trying to make a document to so destabilizing as to guarantee themselves chaos, and they don't even hide it,

they don't even have the patience, i would say, to somehow do it, i already said, how to say it, carefully or there with the creation of some illusion of a real agreement, that interesting too. that, well, it was written right there, why the negotiators were happy, why the negotiators were happy, well, i don’t know if all of them were happy, but oleksandr chaly spoke, and my namesake, we achieved that russia accepted, i will carefully say as he said, denazification will not be talked about, at least there this word is not directly written down, you understand what it is leading to, well , denazification is here, it is written there that you, well , you are... you are in your house, well, yes, cocktails are being thrown at you from all sides now molotov cocktails hit the windows, something hits, something

bounces off, you are somehow still protected, and you are offered to simply open the walls, destroy them, leave the glass walls, give everything you had in your hands, you are sitting with your family, and then they tell you, come to this window, yes, come on, take off your pants. give it to us, no, i don't want to, no, no, no, take it off, take it off, now i'll break the glass, then they'll come, well, come on, and on, that's all, that's the fact that russia is at least trying to control ukraine , that yes, that otherwise, no right, none, none, but from the moment of such so-called agreements, everything is immediately removed, and sanctions are removed, the process is reversed, that is, well, it is a trap, it is obvious that it is a trap, but the fact that every time... they insert all kinds of moments there, well, this really proves, i confirm once again, that this is one of the tools, well, maybe a wide one, was

already like that informational and psychological operation, is this now part of such a broad operation, we will see if additional agents should rise in europe or in ukraine, it should be promoted from the point of view, well, look, well, the opportunity was missed, and now we must not miss it , that is why ukrainian sons and daughters will continue to die, this will now be an epso, this is pure epso, which does not lead to anything in practice, because at the same time the russians are doing something completely different. completely different things, well, i just, i just remembered how in in 2004, a long, long time ago, so to speak, when there was yanukovych's campaign company, and they also confidently led him to victory there, then at a meeting in his moscow headquarters , the then vice-speaker of the state duma, lyubov slyska, said that how can we help him , he doesn't do anything pleasant for us, let's write in his program that he should declare the russian language as the state

language in ukraine, and they like... remember, they did it, he made such a statement, that is , how many passes is it 20 years old, 20 years old, and they have the impression that they are some kind of androids, nothing changes, the same tape scrolls through them all the time, mr. vitali, unfortunately, it sits deep, i would say, i have faced this myself, it surprised me when even in negotiations with the russians, they calmly they could have lied, they could have set you up, i was convinced of this a long time ago, they have their own, well, this style, which dates back to soviet times, and in principle, in contrast to ukrainian diplomacy there, this style of negotiation practice is tolerated and further in this soviet russian myth, well, and not only, that is, there in principles, i will tell you one more thing, they themselves sometimes cannot react correctly.

that is, putin has already reminded several times about this, well , you can’t call it a treaty, there, well , a draft, maybe a document, there is a treaty about neutrality, security guarantees, that’s what it ’s called, that’s how he’s already shown it several times, that is, he’s smearing it, this situation is disturbing, i think that he too at one time, apparently, the appetite was high, big, even that of medin, which was from the russian side. did not accept immediately in the office, and that very was disappointed because he was walking there, walking, thinking, doing a great mission, and this, by the way, is evidence that it was just one of the maneuvers, he was thinking like that, even medinsky himself did not understand this, and it was clear then , immediately after the negotiations, after the 15th of april, when, by the way, the negotiations continued, and this is also strange, because they continued after bucha, and they

continued. what did the negotiators from the ukrainian side count on, what did they count on, that russia would suddenly change, putin would come together there with patrushev or with peskov, they will directly become angels, what can we count on, i don’t understand this, here we need to strengthen our position as much as possible, at the expense of partners, at the expense of weapons, arms production, that is, it must be done, well, our official position this is what it really is, the official one is in... now, but i will remind you again, first, this is an example for us, first, a normal discussion should take place in the country, too, so that putin does not use this ipso for distribution, there should be a discussion, and i remember , when it was there at that moment march, everyone who expressed some kind of criticism, everyone was simply pressured from all sides, that is, journalists, experts, then

two months later he speaks about it... the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, everything is fine, i'm sorry, but those journalists where where are they, where are they going to stick theirs, these faces at the time that they were, that they forbade, censored to go on the air themselves, but it was precisely these people who were wrong, they put on the air, carrying out propaganda, you know, we still thank god that we united and not missed this blow, because i would... that kyiv would then already be russian after this 22nd year of this temporary compromise, that is , you can show it all on your fingers, so it is not necessary , on the one hand, on the other hand, it is all hypothetical, let's from the point of view of these plans, let's turn the page, from the point of view of working on errors.