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60-70%, some defenders have been in advanced positions since 2014, the new law will actually come into force in mid-may, but already this week ukrainian consulates abroad stopped providing services to men of mental age, as such actions were explained in the relevant ministry and let's see how the preparations for the increased mobilization are going, then we will discuss together with the lawyer oleg mytsik in our studio it. questions, long queues, heated arguments, reproachful insults, what a man should serve, you document it, and other documents, in ukraine, you serve. on tuesday , april 23, hundreds of ukrainian men abroad, who came to pick up pre- ordered documents, could not receive them. in... the foreign divisions

of the state-owned enterprise initially reported technical problems with the document, but within a few hours the minister of foreign affairs dmytro kuleba published a post in which he announced: the ukrainian state has decided to suspend provision of consular services to men of mobilization age. a man of penitentiary age went abroad, showed his state that the question of its survival does not bypass him, and then comes and wants to receive services from this state. it doesn't work like that, there is a war in our country. limiting access to consular services abroad for those who do not have a military id card or have not updated their information at the tcc is indeed provided for in the new law on mobilization, but it does not come into force until may 18, and documents are not being issued already. many lawyers are convinced that the actions of the ministry of foreign affairs are illegal, but just as few doubt that such a drastic step could hardly have been... the initiative

of a ministry or even a government. apparently, it was approved at the bank meeting. back in january, at a joint press conference with estonian prime minister kaya kalas, president zelenskyi was asked to comment on whether estonia should deport men of draft age to ukraine, and he voiced his position. our boys have been fighting for two years. and at this time, i will tell you frankly, there are people who... crossed the border outside the rules or outside the law, if they are of the mobilization age, then they should help ukraine, and they should be in ukraine. germany categorically rejected such a possibility before deportation, which is unlikely to happen. the ministers of defense of poland and lithuania admitted the possibility of helping ukraine in the matter of returning men of mobilization age, but later the minister of internal affairs of poland. clarified that

temporary protection will be provided to ukrainian men and refugees even without a passport, and their private data will not be transferred to the ukrainian authorities. we need to act wisely and rationally. all things concerning ukrainians in poland are prescribed in the laws. we will extend protection for ukrainian refugees, which is valid only until june 30. those who do not have passports will be subject to temporary protection. however, deportation is extreme. other ways to stimulate ukrainian men to return to ukraine. next week, the polish diet will consider a new version of the law on ukrainian refugees. according to zmi, it may require ukrainians to provide a valid passport in order to receive various benefits. no passport, no benefits. as evidenced statistics of the european union, after the full-scale invasion, more than 800,000 ukrainian men left there, some of them illegally.

hundreds of thousands more lived and worked abroad before the great war, and many of them, rightly or wrongly, will now have to endure inconveniences and restrictions. long queues of ukrainian men appeared this week not only in warsaw and berlin, but also in ukrainian cities. conscripts are in a hurry to update their data before the new law on mobilization comes into force, because it will start on may 18 two months count, if you don't make it in time, there will be sanctions. fine - probably more than uah 2,000, entry into the police search base and even deprivation of the right to drive a car. however, at the ministry of defense. they are reassuring, the data will be updated not only directly in the tsc, but also in administrative service centers and through the electronic cabinet, it should be operational in june, defense ministry spokesman dmytro lazutkin told rfe/rl. update the data so that the tccsp knows who

is booked, who can be mobilized accordingly, and so on, who has changed family circumstances, who is entitled to deferment, and it is obviously also about fairness. if the electronic cabinet of the conscript does not work, then it will be impossible to implement the law adopted by the council. after may 18, the queues at the tsk will become even longer, and they will physically not be able to cope with the influx of visitors. a separate issue is conscripts with the status of limited fitness. the parliament obliged them to re-pass the vlk within nine months in order to receive a new status, which has yet to be determined by the ministry of defense. but will it be necessary? confirm? disability of the second and third groups received after february 24, 2022, which was previously reported, is now unclear. the court-legal newspaper drew attention to the fact that the announced norm did not make it to the final version of the law. while

preparations for increased mobilization are underway, the widely publicized recruitment campaign in the armed forces does not bring the desired result. according to numerous testimonies of servicemen who came voluntarily. to the shopping center, having a letter of reference from the military unit where they would like to serve, the mechanism does not work. the mobilized gets to the training center, and there the relationship actually means nothing. that is, where you will serve and who does not depend on you. against the background of uncertainty, ambiguity and management errors, there are heated debates and criticisms of the latest decisions of the parliament and the executive power in social networks and regarding mobilization. and with regard to ukrainian men abroad, remind about the constitution and the rights of a citizen. in response, servicemen and their relatives remind about their constitutional obligations, including the protection of independence and territorial integrity of ukraine, as well as

about those who have been at the front for more than two years, and who currently have no one to replace. so, oleg mytsyk, a lawyer, is in our studio, we will talk with him. about all the nuances of mobilization and , in particular, about this suspension of consular services, which actually divided society into two camps, because some say it is correct that they are staying there abroad, while others say no, it is wrong, it violates people's rights. mr. oleg, what do you think about this, how are you? lawyer? let's get some definitions, no... limited consular services, limited one segment of services that are provided in consulates, which is the issuance of foreign passports, this is a new one, a new one that was introduced only during a full-scale invasion, all other consular services , such as marriage or searching for documents or

a notarial power of attorney, they all continue to operate, now it is limited by a subordinate regulatory act by a decision of the cabinet of ministers. as soon as changes were made to the experimental procedure, this is a decision of the cabinet does not conflict with the provisions of the law that will come into force. many people say that in excess of authority, well, they regulated their procedure, the owner gave the right, the owner took away the right to issue these services abroad. now, regarding expediency and reasonableness, i will leave the moral aspect for sociologists and future people who will study demography, about the importance. any government document is being prepared, especially a law, it is accompanied by explanatory notes, ugh, in which they say what effect is expected from the adoption of this regulatory document, for example, will increase, corruption will decrease, income to the budget will increase, which in this case was written in such an explanatory note,

it is obvious that this law, yes, it will be very painful for a large number of people, but it will not have any effect, for example, if there will increase the mobilization... i don't like what they show, you understand, people came to renew this group of people who were there, this is a certain section of society, but they came to renew not today's passport, but the one that will be in a year ends, these are the people who everything are planning and want to avoid contacts with the state in an even more acute phase, well, i assume that for some it is really at this moment, probably someone who travels here and there and he will not be able to move without a passport, it is very important for someone, but... understand , they said correctly, there are different ukrainians who at different times went beyond the border, in article

26 of the law on military duty and military service until today, the norm says that people who are on consular registration, military registration nothing is done there, that is, these people are nothing at all violated the law, which will enter into force on may 18, it is written that the issuance of a foreign passport is carried out in the presence of a military registration document, we imagine. a person who has legally crossed the border and has an updated military registration document, he also falls under the scope of these services, so this norm is very general, i think that in this regard, maybe someone will challenge the decision of the cabinet of ministers, but this is a completely different story, ugh, but be interested, but he just says about it, for example, in an interview with her come on, serhii, a well-known political technologist, he has an opinion. that in principle mobilization in our country takes place very similarly according to russian history, i cannot speak on this topic, i do not

simply compare, i just mean that the russians follow the same path, they are for their conditional evaders, they also limit them in the consular offices services, well, to be honest, the russian message appeared two days later than ours, so to speak, maybe they copied us quickly, but this is a different matter, it should have been... in a way, which corresponds to the future legislation, in development. oh, look, to the same article 26 of the law on military military service, it is written in the resolution that the cabinet should develop within a month a method of military registration of people who are on consular registration, that is, what will be established for them? in the transitional provisions, it is written: everyone who is abroad, through a call , an e-mail or an electronic office , clarifies his data, and formally gives it. what purpose to pursue and what way to return

people for this i want to clearly say with from the point of view of most of these people, except for those who crossed the zelenka, sorry, they swam across the tisza, from the point of view of european countries, these people did not violate migration legislation, and the statements of, for example, the minister of defense of poland are not a person who knows politics in this field, if it was the minister of internal affairs. the prime minister stated this, well, it should be reacted to it, i suggest a simple way, law enforcement officers, please conduct an analysis of the segments that can be detected in the system of people who are one hundred percent illegal crossed, or rather, 100% broke the law, for example, they accompanied a disabled person, the disabled person returned, they stayed in europe, find out the number of these people and contact the european countries and try to return them or not , or recently the report of 207 people missed one border row. there is a list of these people, ask a question, and you will see if at least one of them will be returned or not,

and after that you can discuss some directions, and it can be discovered, but they discovered people, for example, who are fake, they discovered a list, relatively speaking , still in the notebook hundreds of people, well, ask the question about the return of those who will show false disabilities now in the transitional provisions of the law, call those people back, but if in order to make this request an official state for return. in general, the issue of restrictions on consular services for these people is irrelevant, these are generally things that do not tie it to a specific person, here at least there will be some specifics, there will be logic, well, you see, for example, oleksiy aristovych left ukraine, a person of military age, military an expert, he has a military colonel , a colonel, a military rank, so i don't want to discuss this man. not his, but simply journalists submitted a request to find out on what grounds he left,

and did not receive an answer, i think we will one day find out that this is, so to speak, a planned evacuation on the part of the state, which is preparing various fields for future management of the environment, political, i will not be surprised, but this is not a legal issue, let's not talk about it, the issue of mobilization sounded very relevant, and the law is acquiring. 20 18 in may, but there was a message in tsn, if i'm not mistaken, about queues in the municipal offices to clarify personal data, well, in lviv oblast , we obviously don't write about that. i say that this is probably some kind of theory that there were too many people in one square kilometer of the pechar district, people left there, but what is the legal nature of this issue? we must understand that in parallel with the law on mobilization, which has been voted and has a date of adoption, the verkhovna rada was somewhat suspended, but the law on amendments to the code of administrative offenses and the criminal code

of ukraine on the responsibility of people, and there are amendments to article 210 and 211, so that you understand. violation of accounting rules, which today is still regulated by a cabinet resolution, the fine there increases from uah 850 to uah 17,000. from the moment when the law is adopted, article 210 will come into effect with a single icon, which says violation of the law, the rules for subpoenas, subpoenas, search warrants, they are already legal, the fine is 51 hryvnias for violating the rules of accounting, and citizens read this, understand that it is already significant, and we have a certain category of people, classic... which they don't want to serve at all, that's another issue, there are people who don't go to tsc because of harm, sorry for such a word, that is, he has the right, he's a professor somewhere, he has the right to an iron, 100% deferment, he's not going to settle it the question is why, because it will not be taken away anyway, and the military commissars are asking these people and asking them to rule, they want to understand the number to fill in the white spots, add to

the amulet and expand, there are other people who have the right to armor, but no one knows them ... when they are stopped on the street, they will shout: me locomotive driver, i have the right to a reservation, but unfortunately, he did not issue this reservation in time, there are a lot of people, and there is, by the way, a very good rule in the law, which says that the person who voluntarily appeared at the tsc, that, the tsc has the right to issue a summons for dispatch after two months to two months, from the moment of clarification of the data and passing of the vlk. in other words, a person will be able to make a legal reservation, if he has grounds for it, a person will be able to complete his cycle and... life, leave normal documents, applications, issue, transfer property or something else, well, but there are a lot of different norms, the law is very extensive, and regarding the procedure that everyone is interested in, this action to deprive of a special right to drive a vehicle, this procedure is delayed in time, it will not start in the first day, since it is written in the law that

citizens who have violated the requirements of the first and third clauses of article 22, namely to appear... undergo a medical examination, the following issues are key, i.e. they have committed a violation of the law, who have committed an administrative violation, i.e. they should be drawn to this of administrative responsibility according to 210 with a badge from od to a large fine, after that only the military commissariat has the right to oblige the police to deliver such a person by going to the place where this person lives, to conduct his administrative detention, and only in this case... the military the commissariat within 5 days from the moment of the final implementation of this cycle of actions, and the order still directs the demand after the police, and only after that this demand a month, and after that the five-day period must go to the local court, where decide according to a certain procedure, it is also directly laid down in the law for two months for its

full consideration of this procedure, the question will be about the limitation of the special right, how effective will it be? we will see with time, but this is already a mechanism that will not just be preschool, it will be essential so that, as you say, any right, any obligation must have a sanction that ensures its implementation, for today, as seen , such a procedural mechanism simply did not exist, the fines were small , they did not affect people, and honestly saying, tsc did not use them, because it was not considered martyshkin's work, it did not give any result, maybe how it will work now, we will see, the big problem is that these actions have not started yet, the law has not come into effect, and we we can already see that the tsk together with the police still have a period of 20 days left, they are already applying these norms, by the way, the law says that the service of the summons must be recorded by a video recorder and

other devices by tsk employees, but the truth is that there are still two months for the introduction , because i understand the video. from the moment of the law , funding must be provided and be purchased, that is, the question of the legality of behavior will be fixed in a similar way to that of policemen, patrolmen, this, by the way, sufficiently disciplined the street and changed the work of patrolmen on the street from the moment when these norms were introduced earlier, i think it will be here the same similar option, still returning to the topic of people who left, men of conscription age who went abroad. er, one of mine is fully conscious, a wonderful colleague whom i know very well and respect, for many years engaged in advocacy for reforms and so on, but for... the armed forces of ukraine, and he wrote about the fact that it is not necessary to limit consular services abroad, but rather to simply

take away the property of people who do not return to ukraine, and i understand him , that he is actually in such an emotional and difficult situation at the moment, if he writes like this, because in theory he should understand the legal aspects, the legal perspective of such movements, so what what what? the idea looks attractive, you haven't returned to military age abroad, take it from you house, car, everything you have, you are not protecting, someone else is protecting, dying so that an occupier does not break into your house, so you have no right to use it, i don't think this norm, this idea at all has no prospect, firstly, of being adopted by law, secondly, it will openly contradict the constitution, i think that these people would have, well, for example, if criminal liability were introduced from today. for evasion, because it is not even evasion, a person who illegally crosses the border does not evade mobilization, such an absurdity, because in order to be prosecuted under the so-called article 336, a person

must first go through a full cycle of actions with the military committee, with the tsk, receive a combat order for dispatch, and only after he leaves the border, he will become a person who evaded mobilization, so this is a very... a general, obviously unconstitutional vision of this problem. another is the housing obligation, which is directly provided for in the law, the transport obligation, well, if we are talking about a vehicle, please, the law directly provides for the possibility of detection, please collate the data and put this duty first on these people, paid withdrawal at the end of the war, payment for this property if it was needed, well, this is a way that can be effective and work, well , but for this ... you understand, there must be a certain logic to the work of law enforcement agencies and the entire system. to date, law enforcement officers are not interested in the result of establishing the number of evaders, they are interested in the indicator in

order to finish a case. now it has become the most fashionable to expose persons who contribute to the organization of crossing the border. in fact, they are not investigating the chain. there was a recent report where one person promised to include an international delegation. well , be kind, follow that mechanism. no. for the third day after the criminal case is closed, they detain a person who fantasizes that he can be included in an international delegation, i understand, well, it can't be every man, and everything happens to expose this person, what an indicator, hooray, my god, would reveal the officials who are included in these delegations, would cover e access to the path before turning it on, please, and this is detaining speakers who are out on the street for money and going about and settling down, such masks, detentions, which do not lead either to the blocking of channels until people leave, or to convincing people that it is risky and not it is possible to do, well, a complete anecdote, those

people in whose interests you are the acquirer do not have any responsibility for this, and they do not bear it, this is what is interesting, we talked a little about the little chaos associated with mobilization and the absence of any systemic vision, actually you. the solution to the problem which it only increases mistrust, fear, insecurity, it seems to me, in people. thank you very much for that, mr. olezh, oleg mitsyk was with us, a lawyer, and we talked a little about the problems we face in the legal sense, as well as mobilization, and whether it was legal to deprive ukrainians abroad of consular services and they do not return, a possible mobilization, well, now we still have another one ahead of us. niteru, stay with us. there are discounts on vizyn - 20% in psyllanyk,

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