which would still allow us to control the information space, in which, unfortunately, we are sometimes quite successfully attacked by our enemy, and unfortunately, we also see many examples of how, for one reason or another , representatives of various opposition political forces, in some measures, i would say, even join in such a general campaign to discredit. this policy of control, so, well, for me, as a non-specialist in the media sphere of the media market, it is difficult to evaluate, well, there are some specific objections regarding how things were, how things were this work on the distribution of slots is organized, why and for what technical reasons, including whether certain channels are or are not included in the production of the product. these are for

the telethon, but we still remember very well what the ukrainian media market was like, the extremely large and harmful influence the so-called oligarchs had on the editorial policy of many channels, and we perfectly understand that this cannot be allowed in any case, so against the background of such serious problems in information. field in the information market, in the media market, in general i am afraid that today we will not be able to get such ideal and beautiful solutions in order to achieve these two goals and to allow the free, fairly free development of the media and to prevent a situation where, through these media, our enemy begins to seriously influence again... the information policy

of the state and the formation of this information field, so let's, let's still, it's good that this discussion is going on, and let's not bend the peacock, so to speak, as our partners have repeatedly assessed the state of the media in ukraine, which exists, paid attention to the fact that even in such difficult conditions, in which ukraine is, and... this ukrainian information field and the ukrainian media are free enough to be able to express points from the point of view of various players of this media market and political ones, including our discussion with you, as i see it as a good example, only we are not in t2 and no one can explain why, this is the first, second, but i already have it in context what you said, the question is for viktor... sumer, because

it is clear that there are some opposition politicians, they want something, it is not clear what, there are oligarchic tv channels that for some reason are included in the pool of a single telethon and receive money from there, that is, it turns out that there are no oligarchs, but the oligarchic channels are left, so who us mrs. victoria, now the main oligarch in the country, who feeds this big telethon, you know, i'm just a wonder. over what i have heard now, i will now be that opposition politician who will discredit your control system, because your control system, which you know, implemented in the country through the prism of war, it is simply called state censorship, and if you ever analyze the development of the media in europe, in the world, and you know who rupert murdoch is, yes, he is the owner of the media, does he influence politics, or he is close to politicians, no doubt, that is , the influence of the phenomenon... the owners have influence on politics

everywhere, but state, state censorship is in belarus, in the russian federation, in the dprk, in china and in iran, and i congratulate you, you got into this club because it's not about military censorship, sorry, military censorship yes, no one is definitely against it, but you didn't make a law about military censorship, during the last more than two years of war, even though it should have been done, will make it like the israeli law that military stuff can't notify. no, your goal is not in military censorship, you want to implement in the country, implement it effectively enough in political censorship, which should stop internal political discussions that have nothing to do with information security with the protection of the information space, because if you wanted to protect the information space, then you would first of all pay attention to the russian telegram, where i read, listen to, watch vladimir solovyov, olga skobeeva and so on... all the russian

military leaders, that's it this does not worry anyone at all, this is told to you by a person who in the 14th year took it upon himself to close russian channels and in principle did it, because... what is it to fight propaganda in russian, what are informational threats, i i know very well, but what you do has nothing to do with it. you are actually implementing political censorship, which is absolutely not in line with european integration, nor with our commitments, nor with the council of europe, nor is it in any way a standard of the european union or nato, and it is not for nothing that you have received such a report from the us state department, which says that a single marathon is against uh... human rights, in fact, it poses a threat to human rights, and this is so, because it is not connected in any way, for example, with the american a practice where the first amendment to the constitution of the united states of america is known, that is, when you say that some oligarchic channels, they remain oligarchic, they are owned

by the same people, only now they receive money from the budget, and for that you you tell them who to show and who not to show, you know that, for example, the leaders of our faction during the entire period of the marathon were never allowed to go there. i have never been invited to the broadcast of the united marathon, because you have a taboo, these are black lists, who can to show who is not allowed, and the state tells these people that i, what and how they should cover, only they don’t cover facts, they cover propaganda, we are creating an information system, ala russia, ala putin’s russia, you understand, and you know , we now wonder why the russians are the way they are, yes, what happened to the people, so this people is a product of... state propaganda, and you are moving in the same direction, and this is a very inadequate policy, it has nothing in common with european ones standards, and i'm telling you this as a media specialist who has been in this field for over 25 years, and it's very dangerous to launch the russian telegram messenger here without any hindrance,

to use a messenger that practices the worst practices, because it allows anonymous sources, it absolutely does not allow regulation in any way... content that, for example, is of a sexual nature, that has scenes of violence, there is no regulation, you know, already all civilized media, all civilized social networks, they have come to the system of regulation, as it does, for example, there is youtube, as it does facebook, but telegram does not do it, and we like it very much, that is, we are actually creating a model ala putin's russia, and i think that this is what we are discussing with you now in the american youtube, because you did not give another... opportunity to work for the espresso tv channel, which is an absolutely pro-ukrainian patriotic channel, you banned this opportunity outside of any law, outside of any european standards, so let's do it, it could, you know, pass peacefully in the first

months of the war, it could, well, it passed quite peacefully in two years, but today this topic, it has actually been noticed by our... partners, it is a topic when we generally remove from the information space any - what kind of normal, civilized discussion there is about the ways of further development of the country, about global problems that are related to various topics, topics of democracy, human rights, corruption, but these topics are not present at the marathon, which is censored by the state in the style of iran and the dprk quite simply, and it is a huge one problems such in ukraine, believe me, i worked during kuchma’s time with heorhiy gongadze, when we had a radio continent that only spoke the voice of america, doivel and radio liberty, it was the only source, there were three channels, all of them, however, medvedchuk controlled , so now you are doing the same system, it’s just that we have one channel, and now

from this one channel, or rather one marathon, which makes six channels, and all of them, most of them are state-owned, and some are oligarchic, you want to take away the only... broadcaster, public broadcaster, from the air of this marathon, which at least has an independent supervisory board, at least has a journalistic code, and at least tries to work according to standards and has guaranteed funding, that is, to finally finish all the gains in the field of freedom of speech and information policy that were made in 14-19 do it, it's definitely not european integration. thank you, ms. victoria, i don't know, mr. vadim, a lot was said in... maybe you will reflect, or in principle , you said everything you wanted to about this? no, all, all i want is, there won't be enough time of our program, so let's talk about some,

maybe the main such points, and why espresso was not in the telethon, the question is not whether we are in the telethon or not, why we are not there t2? we can talk about the reluctance of the management to join the telethon and the reasons for this reluctance for a long time, as far as the public and claims to the public are concerned. they sounded not only from colleague bezuglai, many people, both people's deputies and specialists of the media market, have long been asking questions about how information policy is formed, how the way television functions and about the broadcasting effectiveness of the public language of the broadcaster, there are questions not only among...some of our colleagues whom we mentioned, but as for the telegram channel, well, i don't

see it at all, i apologize, i didn't interrupt, no no, just clarify, i understand correctly that the deputies have complaints, how public speech should work, not only is there a complaint, which the deputies have repeatedly voiced, but also whether the funds spent by the public were spent effectively and... answers to these questions, as far as i understand, for today have not received the day yet, otherwise such questions would not be asked? an absolutely normal discussion, what is the social media busy with, how much money do we spend on social media, and what effect do we have as a result of the broadcasting of this tv channel and this team? thank you, thank you, mr. vadym, mr. yaroslav, as briefly as possible, the effectiveness of spending public funds has been checked by the accounting chamber, the state audit service, and

there are no reservations, but there are indicators of increasing trust in public, they are presented to the committee with issues of humanitarian and information policy and to our committee, for the purposes of parliamentary control, your colleagues vadim, who are engaged in information policy, do not have questions about the public, in fact, and have questions about the actual... efficiency of development, about what we do not give there are enough funds, we have never yet fulfilled our obligations to finance public, but this question does not arise in the conditions of war, we invest what we have, well, but actually, here it should not be mixed, if everything is in one pile , because really for example, to check the effectiveness of a single marathon, and the amount of 1.7 billion was voiced by your colleague mariana. for example, the accounting chamber refused this year, they said it was not on time , at the request of my personal ones, as

the chairman of the committee, i really hope that the state audit service will check them. regarding actually, i would like to respond to our information field, let's also not thicken the colors too much, because the same report of the state department, clearly stating the problems with the single marathon, it is stated, and... that there are problems with the unsubstantiated disconnection of channels, because well, if you could tell a lot, but even during a war , the government can and should act only in a legal way, that is , there are no opportunities to argue for the disconnection, here either it is necessary to add some norms to it retrospectively, or at least explain why it was done, admit that it was a mistake and let it be normal, because something happened in two, but more than two years. reservations, if there are no channels to work, well, although there are

stop lists, well, for example, first of all , a full-scale invasion, i don’t have any i have never been invited to a live channel, but somehow i am far from convinced that you have any blacklists, well, it’s just that the owners of this channel don’t like something, but less than that, this is an editorial policy that can be talked about, which is stated in the department’s report and what exactly do we have to protect? in ukraine, despite all the difficulties mentioned by victoria, the right to express oneself and the possibility of conveying information is guaranteed. the competitive environment in electronic media in other media, we have maintained despite the war and this is an achievement that we we need to develop, and the problems mentioned must be solved, otherwise these soft recommendations will simply turn into... direct demands, and then it will be very, very difficult for us to explain why we, as sophomores there,

instead of in principle, for the second year to solve the real problems of the country's security, we will have our partners from the usa and the european union in the demands there, when their elections are over, why has this whole syrbor started in the public domain now, because there are some individuals who think that well, it will pass will not go unnoticed, there was already a meeting with the g7 ambassador, the supervisory board of the public, in particular, explained the problems with those things, what and why they arise, so in this case we now have a very... if constructive period: we can or ourselves resolve certain misunderstandings and continue normal work in the democratic field, albeit with certain peculiarities during martial law, or we will wait for it to become another requirement, and we will solemnly correct these mistakes, report how we solemnly fulfilled some of the other recommendations of our

colleagues, but the trust between us and our colleagues will once again be... put under attack, which ultimately and now this whole situation puts the government and society, which in fact, if you believe the independent evaluator and the same barometer, is more public i am satisfied, rather than unfortunately, with the vast majority of our information policy with you, i can say a lot about telegram, but this is a separate story, we will definitely talk about telegram very briefly now, because victoria... only very briefly, if possible, i just very briefly, i'm just you know, here i am i wonder how we degraded, but honestly, we say in all seriousness that the people's deputies have remarks about the public broadcaster, we understand that this is the pressure of the public broadcaster in general, it is because of the topic and independence is guaranteed that the people's deputies do not express their opinions to him remarks, they can write a complaint and there it will be considered by the editorial policy, if you don't

like something, this is a norm of the law, then change the law, then say, we renounce the european law that was adopted. and you are now telling me that this is normal to raise questions about how they work in general, no, this is not our job with you, don't provoke, i'm not provoking, i'll change, you know, thank you, thank you for the discussion on social issues, so we've already started to partially talk by telegram , this week telegram partially blocked ukrainian chatbots to help the armed forces of ukraine, in particular there is an enemy, on monday for half a day ee... telegram blocked official chatbots and this was reported to the main intelligence office, it is about the main intelligence bot. this happened in violation of the rules and public statements that the telegram management publicly declared, despite the blocking of our bot, your personal data is safe, however , we warn you that the enemy creates bots with similar names, do not send any

personal data to them, the intelligence emphasized. in addition, sbu chatbots did not work. and air defense to track enemy drones and missiles. in the morning, the center for strategic communications and information security reported that official ukrainian bots that helped in the fight against the aggression of the russian federation resumed work. mr. vadim, how do you, as a lawyer, feel about this situation that has developed with the telegram platform, because it is. rather, there were platforms that were created, including those who are currently creating the telegram channel, pavel durov, vkontakte, which was blocked by the messenger and social network and classmates, should we think about how to regulate the telegram channel, i not sure

if public should be regulated, but telegram channel definitely needs regulation because we understand it's a big platform. which the russians can use and they can do it effectively enough, all media must be regulated, precisely the issue with unregulated internet media, it did not arise yesterday and not with telegram, for a long time lawyers were the first to sound the alarm about that , that a new era has come, the era of internet media, which, being absolutely not... quite often, using such anonymous methods of conveying information, can do a lot of damage, and now we already see, obviously, that with telegram, well, the need to regulate telegram is ripe and overripe, but in this context, we have already discussed with you several times today, where are the standards, how

should we properly organize this policy, in order to simultaneously achieve these... two requirements, regarding the fact that its regulation is also effective, er, the state must act, and not, uh, not to do something that would be perceived as excessive censorship and, accordingly, our partners made remarks to us, so in this case, no one and not, contradicts the fact that there is a need to regulate telegram, we... perfectly understand , where telegram, so to speak, is located, literally servers telegram, we perfectly understand the possible consequences. and those measures that have already been taken , such a public discussion is taking place today, and the proposals in yaroslava's committee

are now being actively discussed in order to proceed with regulation, and here, in my opinion, there are no differences in how to answer this question various factions, including those in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, are watching. now, when enough information is collected and analyzed, in principle, it is now just in the state. analysis and consultations with by our european partners, since in this case there are also certain standards in the european union regarding how internet media is regulated, and we have to comply with our obligations to go in unison with our partners, for today, as far as i know, enough such good and effective consultations are quite frank, which, among other things, allow our european partners to better understand this issue and more effectively propose methods of regulation at the pan-european level, so here we

if we cooperate with our partners and adhere to existing standards, i am sure that we will come to effective regulation, including telegram. thank you, mr. vadim, let's give ms. victoria and mr. yaroslav, we literally have two minutes each, if possible, so that... we stick to the timing, ms. victoria, i will be very brief, you know, our european partners do not tell us anything at all about telegram, do you know why? because ukraine is at war with the russian federation, and this is a russian messenger. ukraine has already banned it in the 17th year of the russian messenger, social network vkontakte, there were no complaints, it was not perceived by our partners in any way. if we are talking about the enemy state, which unleashed. aggressive war, believe me, there will be no problem with european partners, this is only a matter of political will within ukraine. the representative of our faction, mykola knyazhytskyi, he submitted a bill,

an alternative one, by the way, was not registered there, i am, but i understand that he at least started a discussion about how telegram should be regulated. i i am convinced that anonymous telegram channels should not exist, because today it is just a way. the spread of fakes in the country, and well, you understand, we are creating an absolutely abnormal information space as a result of this, but the key problem is really that the russians, first of all, have access to personal data and can get it, and i think that soon it will become known about the fact that such attempts have already been made quite recently, in relation to ukrainian politicians, and by the way, across the border, through the telegram network itself, and of course there are possible.

for citizens to understand that there can be no private information on the russian network, if you are still there, then behave, well, it is reasonable for the verkhovna rada to implement standards. that operate in the european community, transparent networks, there is communication, you can work, opaque networks, certain restrictions, at least there should definitely not be official representations there, if the intelligence committee under the president clearly indicates that this network is hostile and destroys information security, then in principle we have experience blocking classmates and vkontakte is already working. and the decision of the national security council, the presidential decree put into effect sanctioning mechanisms. the verkhovna rada cannot adopt a law regarding a specific network, nor can it

adopt, in principle, the blocking of any measures. we have special bodies for this and, as far as i know, they are actively working. i confirm that we are working both in the network regulation system and in strengthening the mechanisms for combating disinformation, because... the war has shown that the peaceful mechanisms that we use until now are unfortunately insufficient, thank you, i hope that the national security council will follow the same path as when victoria worked at the national security council and will ban vkontakte and classmates, yaroslav yurchyshyn, victoria syumar and vadym glaitiuk were on the air of the espresso tv channel. thank you ladies and gentlemen for participating in the program. let me remind you that during this broadcast, we conducted a survey and asked you whether you support the activity. of a public broadcaster independent of the authorities, the results of a television survey 92% yes, 8% - no, we put an end to that, it was a verdict program conducted by serhii rudenko,

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