yes, these events are obviously very socially resonant and politically significant, but it seems to me that the peak of publicity, well, for example, around those new mobilization measures, we have mostly already passed and the culmination was this statement and decision , the statement of minister kuleba and the decision of the ministry of foreign affairs on the termination of consular services for e-e men. old age, i will explain my opinion, uh, there is a lot of evidence, well, in any case , they write about it in social networks, that ukrainian men, when in fact, the government went from words to action, uh, they went en masse to the territorial recruitment centers, and it turned out that these centers are not ready to accept such a large number of people who want to...

register or update their data, their status, their place stay and so on. that is, this suggests that most likely nothing revolutionary and nothing very new will happen on may 18, that is, most likely this date is simply not noticed by me, and next time we will, so to speak, return to this topic, then when finally... departments those responsible for this issue, including the ministry of foreign affairs and the military departments responsible for mobilization, will finally adopt by-laws, regulating documents that will clarify many things in this area, and on may 18 nothing will start, i think so nothing special will happen on may 20, when you... it will be

5 years since the inauguration of the current president zelenskyi, ukrainian society, i think, is very calm about this date and completely understands the situation we are in, and the external environment, probably, that too, will not stimulate any visible movements and disturbances or a change of attitude, well, not counting the russian one. there will be another show, another scandal, another statement, but it doesn’t really affect us, and when the russians talk about zelensky’s illegitimacy, it will always be possible to respond adequately, or, let’s say, symmetrically, and say that vladimir putin is also an illegitimate president, he cannot be called a president, because he was elected in the territories that are temporarily occupied by ukraine by russian troops, and that too.

a topic, let's say, for a counterattack, such a propagandistic counterattack of the ukrainian state, but when we talk about all these decisions, which in one way or another affect people's rights, people's freedom, the question always arises, where is the border where there is a need to introduce some radical changes and restrictions, and... the phase that we call the transition there to authoritarianism or to the concentration of power in one hand, whether ukraine is not threatened by this after 2019, when, in principle , monopolies are already in one hand, or are you observing trends that indicate that democracy, which has always been the main element of building an independent ukraine in ukraine.

of the state, that this democracy is threatened by something, it is meant not from outside, but from some internal events. and, well, the last phrase regarding the russian reflections on our situation, it is very funny to actually see, so to speak, to be able to say that here is a person who has been in power for 5 years, and that is all, this is already a threat to democracy, when in the very in russia, a man has been in power for 25 years and no one. it's like it doesn't bother me, as far as that's concerned, well, that's us we are very different from russia, and when answering the question, and i saw this question also to the audience, is there a threat to democracy today, obviously democracy is a form of government that is always under threat from one side or another, but i think , that today this threat is not so much from authoritarians. trends, that is, from

the absence of political competition or the absence of alternative opinions in society or any pressure. a different opinion in society, rather we have a threat to democracy from the side of its effectiveness, i.e. from from the side of the effectiveness of the institutions of power, which were created according to democratic mechanisms and procedures, there is a big, big, so to speak, danger of being disappointed in democracy, i would say so, because of certain internal disputes. conflicts, i would even say, are growing in ukrainian society, the government cannot do anything about it, it does not effectively manage both many spheres of public life and attitudes in society, that is, if you want to go back

to the previous question about mobilization laws and publicity around this issue, we we see, well, critically ineffective communication between the government and the people, and this is also a kind of threat to democracy. communication is not only what the authorities hear, but obviously what they say. that is, we perceive communication in a different way, that is, we hear you calmly, we hear, we will do everything. yes, that's not how it works with society and that's not how it works with the outside world. and now we are all living in anticipation of the global peace summit to be held in switzerland in mid-june. and here the question is also rather subtle, let's say so , because the world understands, and the world is obvious can talk not only about zelenskyi's peace formula, the peace formula for ukraine, but obviously this formula can be expanded,

should the ukrainian authorities, in your opinion, offer a peace formula not only for ukraine, but also for the whole world, since language is it about... a threat from the russian federation to the entire planet earth? well, here, for the sake of justice, i should still say a good word about the ukrainian government, since this very initiative, the ukrainian formula for peace, was a good move in the geopolitical confrontation that is unfolding around this war, around the situation in ukraine, around our confrontation with russia, it must be admitted that it was right and good that it is, because today the efforts of more than one country are concentrated around this ukrainian initiative and the attention of the whole world is focused on it, of course , if we proposed something

realistic not only for the restoration of our sovereignty over the occupied territories and... bringing the aggressor to justice, but also for the new world order, it would be even better. until such realistic proposals, models of the future arrangement of the world, ukraine, probably for objective reasons, we are too fixated on our problems and on our pain and on our losses, so far we have not proposed it, and apparently this is not... not a function of the party now , which suffers from external aggression, but in the future, of course, it would be necessary to focus and work on it, so to speak, because for ukraine this is a chance, it is an opportunity to enter the top league of world politics, of course, if

there is progress in achieving our goals in this war, and a political settlement, well especially in those... conditions when this actual peace, or the peace agreement that was reached after the second world war, is destroyed by the russian federation, it is clear that the formula for peace and or the formula for how to coexist after february 24, 22 year, one way or another it will be discussed, because it is clear that in this history ukraine is one of the main countries that participates in... in protecting the world order and in claiming a place in the new architecture of european and world security . one more question, mr. maksym, which will be literally in favor several months, in two months in july at

the anniversary summit of nato. it is clear that ukraine is waiting for an invitation from the north atlantic alliance. stoltenberg arrived two days ago. to kyiv spoke with zelenskyi, after which the president of ukraine said that apparently ukraine will become a member of the north atlantic alliance only. after the end of the war, how do you assess whether we can expect some kind of surprise from nato, and that this invitation or a signal to the world will be given in spite of everything precisely at the washington summit, well in general, the period that awaits us, may-june, is so promising in terms of events. world scale, in fact, this peace forum, which was initiated by ukraine and

supported by many countries, was actually supported by the event. happening simultaneously with a similar attempt to consolidate a certain position and perhaps even put forward certain proposals from the other side, that is, we know that vladimir putin is going to go to beijing. and maybe some statements will be made from there and some position will be defined, which by july already, so to speak, well, no, if it does not radically change it, then at least it will clarify the geopolitical situation and the confrontation between these two camps, how acute it is, how hopeless it is, or, on the contrary , we will see some light at the end of the tunnel. and well , a lot depends on the position of china, whether it will agree to ease this tension little by little and

force russia to avoid further escalation, what we will see in july will depend on this, but it will be more related, i think, to the atmosphere of the upcoming nato summit, most of our partners are very moderate, very as respectable, uh, democracies that don't like surprises, and that uh act very carefully, we've got all the signals that there won't be an invitation, and that we have to prepare for uh such a protracted struggle actually on its own, but with the support of our western partners, for the near future this model is... working, and the only thing that can change is the intensity of the confrontation,

the intensity of the conflict. in yesterday's evening address, president zelenskyy emphasized the importance of the earliest possible deliveries of american long-range weapons, which will allow you to repel the enemy on all fronts. let's listen to zelenskyi. we are very much counting on the promptness of the supply from the united states, this supply, which must... be felt in the destroyed logistics of the occupier, in their fear of being based anywhere in the occupied territory, and also in our strength, in the strength that must show itself in the pokrov direction, as in urahivsk, siversk, lymansk, kupyansk, in the south of the country, everywhere where russia is pressing, and where we have to push it out, and also everywhere where there may be new blows. shock threats, mr. maksym, given

that the americans have decided to provide large aid to ukraine, the british have also made a fairly large, large contribution to the defense sphere of ukraine by announcing 500 million pounds of aid, does this mean that the world has finally decided to show putin that there will be no russian victory in ukraine, and they will never allow it. the only thing that remains open is what to do with putin's russia. i think that these decisions really show the determination of our westerners partners and about what they roughly, but quite clearly, imagine. actually what they want as an intermediate result of this war.

well, i would say that, well, actually, the mention of long-range weapons shows that we are preparing to stop the offensive of the russians, we are preparing, together and the western allies are supporting us in this, we are preparing to get rid of them opportunities to expand the zone of occupation, let's see what russia is doing. russia openly declares this, creates a sanitary zone in areas adjacent to its territory of ukraine. that is, these attacks on sumy oblast, kharkiv oblast, we somehow little, so to speak, monitor the media and political discourse of the russians, but they openly call it the creation of a sanitary zone, that is, we can say that a sanitary zone is being created on both sides, we are creating it in the body the enemy, well, they actually

create such a zone in our body, and this means a direct path to... freezing of the conflict, when the parties will not be able to radically change something. i think that this model of freezing the conflict is generally accepted by the west, by our westerners allies, as a basic one, they no longer mention the counteroffensive of the ukrainian armed forces and wait until the moment when putin stops, or is forced to stop for various reasons, and then move on to... er, actually this freezing of the conflict, but for this will not be the end of the matter for russia, because its economic pressure and its own internal problems in the russian federation itself will mean the beginning, the beginning of a new stage of the west's war against russia,

which i believe in and which, i think, will be enough successful thank you, mr. maksym, for you. conversation, it was maksym rozumny, political expert, doctor of political sciences, friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages , and also take part in our survey, today we ask you about whether you see a threat to democracy in ukraine, yes, no, uh, if you have your personal, special opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. if you watch us on tv, call us numbers, if you see a threat to democracy in ukraine 0800 211 381, no 0800-211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote, please, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with viktor yagun, major general of the reserve sbu, former deputy head of the sbu. mr.

general, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. good health. mr. general, first of all i wanted to ask you about the information that was in the press today about counter-intelligence measures of the sbu in the center of kyiv, the sbu reported that it is conducting planned counterintelligence measures on the territory of the shevchenkiv district in the center of kyiv, among the main locations are sofiyska and mykhailivska square and the surrounding area. mass stay of people. what, what does that mean? this means that there is a threat, or remains a threat, of the infiltration of russian saboteurs into the center of kyiv, and in this way the sbu demonstrates, publicly demonstrates, that they are ready to to stop such activity. in fact

, they are training, you have to keep yourself constantly in tension, because if there is... rotation and people go to the front, someone from the front, you have to check, coordinate actions between different bodies, determine who is responsible for what, how it is carried out, this one, one purpose of all that was happening, and the second, maybe there are some special investigators or special measures that they just don't want to announce, and these measures were carried out under their cover. especially since this is the territory where they are usually held some government measures for often foreign and foreign guests, that is why the state security department, the security service and the national police were connected, so i think that this is all within the framework of our legislation and at the same time they checked how people

react to the strengthening of such measures from our special services, mr. general. and a married couple of russian spies was exposed in the czech republic, mykola and elena shapushnikov helped the intelligence of the russian federation organize explosions at ammunition warehouses in the czech republic and bulgaria, as well as poison the bulgarian gunsmith ol omelyan gebrev. on the eve of the great war in ukraine, a series of explosions took place at warehouses in military units, in vichna, in balaklia, in kalynivka, in svatovo, i'll tell you. saying, i don't remember any conclusions about what actually happened there, maybe i missed it, or maybe there was no such information, whether it was a russian sabotage, or it was... there was some kind of sloppiness on the part of the ukrainian military , that is, in your opinion,

were these explosions at these warehouses accidental, well, given that we see that in western europe was clearly told that russian saboteurs blew up warehouses with ammunition, well, who can believe that the coincidence can be repeated? with such periodicity, it is clear that there was something behind it, the only thing is that there are a lot of versions that were rejected, this is a corruption component, an alleged attempt, an attempt to hide some thefts, this and some frank things related to slander there with mismanagement, but in the end they still came to the conclusion that... after all, some subversive mechanisms were involved, and this led to ukraine's loss of significant

stocks of ammunition, which you see, we currently lack so much. also, mr. general, one event that happened recently is the blocking by telegram, the telegram platform, of ukrainian chatbots for data transmission , in particular, there is an enemy, the telegram platform blocked a number of official chatbots that opposed russian military aggression, including the main intelligence bot, this was reported by the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, and as noted by budanov's department, this happened in violation of the rules and public statements that the telegram management publicly declared, despite the block. your personal data is safe with our bot, however, we warn you that the enemy creates bots with similar names, do not send any personal data to them, later it became

known that, after all, telegram resumed the work of official ukrainian bots that helped in the fight against aggression of the russian federation, but questions remained regarding the operation of this platform in the information field. of ukraine, this platform is quite influential in ukraine, many ukrainians use it, and obviously russians also use this platform. in what way can ukraine make sure that this platform is not used by the russian occupiers, our enemies, to spread disinformation, to also collect information from ukrainians during shelling or when transmitting information about the movement of armed forces. ukraine should give up telegram, this is the only way, i don't believe in telegram, which is controlled by the fsb and which

created and headed by a former member of the special services of the russian federation, you see, that ’s all, i don’t know, some kind of phantom, we have driven ourselves into a trap and cannot get out of it, so... just stop using telegram, there have already been many proven cases when at the request of the fsb , certain things were blocked, when at some point the fsb interfered with the work of the telegram, when it turned out that the correspondence of the telegram became known to the fsb and the russian special services, so i emphasize once again that the only... i do not say , so that everyone there stops reading, wants to read, but to official bodies, officials, i would advise to leave this platform, especially since there are

many platforms on which you can do all this, and they are not that much worse or somehow work differently than telegram, mr. general, with information has just appeared that ilya vityuk has been dismissed from the post of head of the department. counterintelligence protection of the state's interests in the field of information security of the sbu, but not because he had any problems with his work or with the performance of his official duties, because at the beginning on april 10, the info investigation published an investigation that the vityuk family owns real estate worth at least uah 25 million at market value, and then he was simply suspended from performing his duties, but today... a decree appeared, a presidential decree just appeared about vytyuk's dismissal from this position, you were the deputy head of the security service of ukraine, and obviously such questions are absolute. controlled and

the security service can monitor its employees. in what way could it happen that what vytyuk had was not there noticed by the internal security service of the sbu. well, you know, my position is very categorical, i try not to comment on things related to personnel appointments and the definition of such things. i think this is one. from those bells and whistles that are within the competence of the internal security and the state and the idbr, the state state bureau of investigations, let them sort it out, because, well, listen, if journalists can dig into such things and ask questions that are not convenient for certain individuals, then i think that before appointing certain people it is necessary to see, after all, what they breathed and where

they were before, more. what worried me about this story was not that he has estates there, he has money there, what worried me was that this person was involved in the events of 2014, and from a side that i would not want him there to see, this worried me more, everything else is so derivative, you understand, because if the decision is not made at the top, then there is a gap somewhere. in the preparation of documents or the preparation of recommendations regarding the appointment of this or that person. mr. general, let's go back to telegram, the head of the parliamentary committee on freedom of speech, yaroslav yurchyshyn , said on the air of our tv channel that the competent authorities are already working on regulating the activities of such electronic networks as telegram in ukraine, in particular, it may be about limiting its use in official communications. let's listen to what mr. yurchyshyn said. if

the intelligence committee under the president clearly indicates that this network is hostile and destroys information security, then in principle we have the experience of blocking classmates and vkontakte , a report and a decision of the national security and defense council have already been prepared, a decree of the president is put into effect by sanctioning mechanisms, the verkhovna rada cannot adopt a law regarding a specific network, nor can it adopt a blocking principle. some measures, for this we have special bodies and, as far as i know, they are actively working. mr. general, apart from telegram, do you see any other signs or networks that the russian federation is trying to use to influence ukrainian society and the ukrainian information space? well, the main threat to us now is tiktok. tiktok is it the thing that is actively used is

actually there. operational management of the chinese comrades, what they record there, what they block there and what they do there, no one knows, the americans clearly said that if you do not transfer the management of this structure to independent hands, do not sell it and it will not leave the legal control of china, then tik tok will be banned in the united states, because of tik tok, unfortunately, using these small eyes... the medicine is a massive psychological attack, in particular an attack on what is connected, on everything connected with mobilization and protection of the ukrainian state, i would say that in the same list you can include e and everything connected with - with viber, it is a belarusian development, despite

the fact that everyone there uses it and... there are all of them, including official things, so we need to decide, probably, with those platforms that are controlled, but they are at least controlled by our allies, yes, i have, we have some problems with communication language with general yagun, now we will try to restore this connection, communication has been restored, mr. general, please. had some kind of communication problem, i mean, yes, i mean, we have the ability to use those platforms that are created in the united states, and i understand that they have their own security systems and protocols, but i don't think it will be as dangerous as a knife.