and this means that the world has decided to finally show putin that there will be no russian victory in ukraine, and they will never allow it. the only question that remains open is what to do with putin's russia? i think that really, these decisions, they testify to the determination of our western partners and to ... that they have a rough idea, but quite clearly, actually, what they want as an intermediate result of this war, i would say , that the very mention of long-range weapons shows that we are preparing to stop the russian offensive, we are preparing, together with the western our allies support us in this. we

are preparing to deprive them of the opportunity to expand the zone of occupation. let's see what russia is doing? russia openly declares this, creates a sanitary zone in the regions of ukraine adjacent to its territory, that is, these attacks on the sumy region, on the kharkiv region, we somehow have little, so to speak, monitor the media political discourse. russians, but they frankly call it the creation of a sanitary zone, that is, we can say that a sanitary zone is created on both sides, we create it in the body the enemy, well, they actually create such a zone in our body, and this means a direct path to the freezing of the conflict, when the parties will not be able to radically change something, i think that this model of freezing. in general

, the event was accepted by our western allies as basic, they no longer mention the counteroffensive of the ukrainian armed forces and wait until the moment when putin stops or is forced to stop for various reasons, and then proceed to this actual freezing of the conflict, but for russia this not yet will end, because the economic pressure and... actually internal problems in the russian federation itself, will mean the beginning, the beginning of a new stage of the west's war against russia, which i believe and which i think will be quite successful. thank you, mr. maksym, for the conversation, it was maksym rozumny, political expert, doctor of political sciences. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently

watching us on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages and also take participation in our survey. today we ask you about the following: do you see a threat to democracy in ukraine? yes, no, if you have your own personal, special opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. if you watch us on tv, then call the numbers if you see a threat to democracy in ukraine 0800-211-381, not 0800 2113. 72, all calls to these numbers are free, please vote, at the end of the program we will pick up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with viktor yagun, major general of the sbu zapasu, former deputy head of the sbu. mr. general, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. good health! mr. general, first of all i wanted to ask you about the information that was in the press today about counter-intelligence activities of the sbu in the center of kyiv. the sbu reported that it is carrying out planned

counterintelligence measures in the territory of the shevchenkiv district in the center of kyiv, among the main locations, sofiyska and mykhailivska square and the surrounding area. state facilities and places of mass gathering of people. what, what does that mean? this means that there is a threat, or there remains a threat, er,... of penetration of russian saboteurs into the center of kyiv, and in this way the sbu demonstrates, publicly demonstrates, that they are ready to stop such activities, they are actually undergoing training, you have to keep yourself in constant tension, because if there is a rotation and people go to the front, someone from the front, you have to check and escalate actions between different bodies. determine who is responsible for what and how

it is being carried out, this is one, one purpose of all that was happening, and the second, maybe some special investigators or special measures are being carried out that they simply do not want to announce, and these measures were carried out under their cover, especially since this is the territory, at which, as a rule , some government events are held with the participation of foreign and foreign guests, that's why the state security department and the security service and the national police were connected there, so i think that this is all within the framework of our legislation and it was checked at the same time. how people react to strengthening of such measures by our special services? mr. general, a married couple of russian spies was kidnapped in the czech republic, mykola and elena shapushnikov helped the intelligence of the russian federation to organize explosions at ammunition warehouses in the czech republic and bulgaria, as

well as to poison the bulgarian deer gunsmith omelyan gebrev. on the eve of the great war in ukraine, a series of explosions also took place at warehouses in... parts of them in vechen, in balaklia, in kalynivka, in svatovo, frankly speaking, i do not remember any conclusions about what actually happened there, maybe , i missed, and perhaps this information was not available, whether it was a russian sabotage, or whether it was some kind of sloppiness on the part of the ukrainian military, that is, in your opinion, was it a coincidence that we... there were explosions at these warehouses, well, considering what we see in western europe clearly said that russian saboteurs blew up ammunition depots? well, who can believe that coincidence can repeat itself with

such frequency? it is clear that there was something behind it. the only thing that there are a lot of versions that have been rejected is the... alleged attempts to hide some thefts, some frank things related to negligence, some mismanagement, but in the end it was concluded that in various different ways some subversive mechanisms were involved, and this led to the loss of ukraine. ukraine has significant reserves of ammunition, which, as you can see, we currently lack. also, mr. general, one event that happened recently is the blocking of telegram, the telegram platform, ukrainian chatbots for data transmission, in particular there are

enemy. for half a day, the telegram platform blocked a number of official chatbots that opposed russian military aggression. and including the main intelligence bot, this was reported by the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, and as budanov's department noted, this happened contrary to the rules and public statements that the telegram management publicly declared, despite the blocking of our bot, your personal data is safe, however, be warned that the enemy creates bots with similar names, do not send any personal data to them, later... it became known that, after all , telegram resumed the work of official ukrainian bots that helped in the fight against the aggression of the russian federation, but questions remained about the work of this platform in the information

field of ukraine, this platform is quite influential in ukraine, many ukrainians uses it, and obviously the russians also use this platform, how can you... make sure that this platform is not used by the russian occupiers, our enemies, to spread disinformation, to collect also information from ukrainians during shelling or when transmitting information about the movement of the armed forces of ukraine? ukraine should give up telegram, this is the only way, i do not believe in telegram, which is controlled. the fsb, which was created and is headed by a former member of the special services of the russian federation. you see, i don't know all this, some kind of phantom. we have driven ourselves into a trap, and we cannot get out of it.

therefore, you should simply stop using telegram. there have already been many verified cases when, at the request of the fsb , certain electronic items were booked, when in some the moment the fsb interfered with the work of the telegram, when it turned out that the correspondence of the telegram became known to... the fsb and the russian special services, so i emphasize once again that the only one, i'm not saying that everyone there should stop reading, they want to, they read, but to official bodies, officials, i would advise you to leave this platform, especially since there are many platforms on which you can do all this, and they are not that much worse or somehow work differently than telegram, sir? general, information has just appeared that ilya vityuk has been dismissed from the post of chief

department of counterintelligence protection of the state's interests in the field of information security of the sbu, but not because he had any problems with his work or with the performance of his official duties, because in early april the info investigation published an investigation that the vityuk family owns real estate at least for 25 million hryvnias according to the market. cost, and then he was simply suspended from performing his duties, but today a decree appeared, as soon as the presidential decree appeared on the dismissal of vityuk from this position, you were the deputy the head of the security service of ukraine, and obviously such issues are completely controlled, and the security service can monitor its employees, how could it happen that what... vityuk had was not noticed by the internal security service of the sbu? well, you know, my position is very

categorical, i try not to comment on things related to personnel appointments and the definition of such things. i think that this is one of those bells that are within the competence of internal security and the state and the sbi, the state, the state bureau of investigations, let. they figure it out, because, well, listen, if journalists can dig into things like this and ask questions that are not comfortable for certain people, then i think that before appointing certain people, you should still look at what they breathed and where they are were before, what worried me most about this story was not that he has estates there, he has money there, i was worried that this person was involved in ... participation in the events of 2014, and from that side, with

that i would not like to see him there, this bothered me more, everything else is so derivative, you understand, because if the decision is not made at the top, then there is a gap somewhere in the preparation of documents or the preparation of recommendations regarding the appointment of this or that person. mr. general, let's return to the telegram, the chairman of the parliamentary committee on issues. yaroslav yurchyshyn announced on the air of our tv channel that the competent authorities are already working on regulating the activities of such electronic networks as telegram in ukraine, in particular, it may be about limiting its use in official communications. let's listen to what mr. yurchyshe said. if the intelligence committee under the president clearly indicates that this network is hostile and destroys information security, then in principle we have enough. from the blocking of classmates and vkontakte , a report and decision of the national security council has already been developed,

a presidential decree has been put into effect by sanctioning mechanisms, the verkhovna rada cannot pass a law regarding a specific network, it cannot but take some measures in principle to block, for this we have special bodies, and as far as i know they are actively working. general, apart from the telegram, do you see any other... signs or networks that the russian federation is trying to use in order to influence ukrainian society and the ukrainian information space. well, the main threat to us now is tiktok. tiktok is something that is actively used, it is actually under the operational control of chinese comrades, what they record there, what they block there and what they do there, no one knows. the americans have clearly said that if you... do not transfer the management of this structure into independent hands, do not sell it and it does not

come out of the legal legal control of china, then tiktok will be banned in the united states. through t-tok, unfortunately, using these small videos, there is a massive psychological attack, in particular, an attack on everything related to the mobilization and defense of the ukrainian state. er, i would say that in the same list you can include er and everything related to - with viber. this is a belarusian development, despite the fact that everyone uses it there, and everything is there, including official things, so we have to decide, probably still with those platforms, which are well controlled, but they are at least controlled by our allies, yes

, we have some problems with communication with general yagun now. we will try to restore this connection, the connection has been restored, sir general, please, had any problem with the connection, i mean, yes, i mean, we have the ability to use those platforms that are made in the united states, and i understand that they have their own security systems and protocols, but i don't think it will be as dangerous as using telegram. another network, but not in in the virtual world, in the real world, this is the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, and today the sbu came to search the metropolitan of the uoc mp in zaporizhzhia , metropolitan luka andrii kovalenko, and he is a figure in the register of traitors, who made the movement

honestly, because he probably spread pro-russian propaganda and justified armed aggression of the russian federation. against ukraine and mr. general, well, the question is quite rhetorical, what to do in the current situation, when the issue or problem of the ukrainian orthodox church is again postponed to then, and we see that there is simply no solution, we see how the russians are trying to use this network, the large network of the ukrainian orthodox church, and it's like... they say there's no way to do it, so what, what to do in this situation? look, the security service is doing everything within its competence, it simply cannot jump its head higher, it all boils down to what the verkhovna rada accepts or does not accept, and why is there no pressure from the one who can actually manage the verkhovna rada with

parties, that is, if there was, there would be a solution the president that this draft law... is urgent, i think that there were votes for it, for its adoption in the verkhovna rada. the problem is different, the problem is that the law itself is imperfect, and extremely many issues will arise in its implementation, but at the same time, at least such a law, so that it will already go into operation and we could start slowly cleaning ukraine from this dirt . but here, mr. general, this is... the problem with the roc branch, it is a problem of national security and defense, and the nsdc could well take over the function, an arbitrator, or a structure that will make a decision there, which can then be transformed either into a draft law or into

a presidential decree, that is, in your opinion, could the national security council do with... the branches of the russian orthodox church in the same way they once did with social networks vkontakte and classmates, when it was, let's say, adopted in the context of a threat to national security and defense. unfortunately, there is no simple solution here. it must be understood that the religious issue is now even at its first, first stages and it is quite active had an effect on the provision of assistance to us in the united states, and those lobbyists who, with the money of certain oligarchs, and rather that it was oligarch novinsky's money, they used certain representatives of the legislative branch of the united states to inflame this situation on an even

city, therefore, we need to go through all of them very carefully and beautifully. and yet it is necessary to adopt a law within the framework of which, without even naming who, who is who, namely within the framework of the law regarding those structures that have their governing bodies in country of the aggressor, to make the right decisions even if there are any claims to us from some international organizations regarding religious intolerance there or the investigation clearly points to the legislation, to the legislative acts that were adopted in accordance with all the norms, so this is very, very, very much a hoax. topic, and it should be passed very nicely, without breaking the constancy that we have. thank you, mr. generals, it was viktor yagun, major general of the reserve sbu, former deputy

head of the security service of ukraine. friends, we we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live there. please subscribe to our pages and take part in our survey. today we ask you about the following: do you see a threat to democracy in ukraine? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have a special opinion, please leave it in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote, if yes, then 0800 211 381 no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of our voting, then we will be in touch with roman tsimbalyuk, journalist, former vlas... runyan in moscow. roman, i congratulate you. thank you for being with us today. greetings, serhiy. hello. by chance, i invite tv viewers to the youtube channel of roman tsymbalyuk. a person who has more than

1 million followers. become a follower of roman tsimbalyuk. and you will know the truth and hear roman tsimbalyuk's daily comments on his youtube channel. let's get started roman, our conversation on information about the tribunal, the special tribunal. for russia, the committee of ministers of the council of europe adopted a decision regarding a special tribunal for russia, instructing the secretary general of the council of europe to prepare the necessary documents to facilitate consultations in the main group and to prepare a potential draft of the agreement with ukraine on the actual establishment of the tribunal. the ukrainian foreign ministry has already stated that this is an important practical step on the way to creating a special tribunal regarding the aggression of the russian federation. what do you think... i see this tribunal, a special tribunal, and only, is it necessary only for russia, or a special tribunal for war criminals, such as putin, shoigu and their entire camp,

well, here we will not separate anyone, but before discussing who and when will be tried, let's let's just speak the harsh truth: those who lose the war will be judged. this is an important moment, because sometimes this is how i analyze the questions that come up so cool in ukraine , like when russia will collapse there, when putin will die, or he will be taken out of the refrigerator and he will not freeze, or something else something, that is, it is clear, at the level of the ministry of foreign affairs, at the level of politics, this is all right and everyone should do it, but it does not replace the main thesis i am talking about, well, it is clear. that this is a nazi state and there are personal war criminals here and this list is not complete,

russian propagandists will definitely be included in it, in addition to the security forces, even these are not propagandists, they are russian information criminals, well, i don't know if this denozification will happen, it is on the russian state of the germans, it happened as a result of the second world war in japan. according to the results too war and nuclear strikes, there are many issues with russia, so of course i support it, but this is not the main issue for today, beyond all doubt, although in all these discussions when they arise there, wait, everyone not all russians are like that, somewhere around 10% or 7% disagree. with putin's decisions and in general with condemning the war, quietly condemning in their kitchens, the responsibility should be collective or

personal with the russians, as you think, and yet it has long been passed, in fact, so war criminals, they answer personally, we have already outlined the circle in principle, we need to add some more, and the team will be complete, well, at least this is the inner circle of today's furor. these are the members of the russian security council, with whom he skypes every friday, usually, well , at least that's what they say, and for the population, of course, collective responsibility, it can only be moral, ukrainians like it, they don't like it, it depends will not be, even in the best case, it is clear that, well, how about me in the first place, but within the framework of this moral responsibility, who are there, well, teachers? schools must be inspected first of all, because this is, in my opinion, the greatest evil, everything if someone thinks that there will be some

body that... wants to judge every russian and every russian soldier there, and whoever survives the war belongs to the russian invaders , well, with a high probability , after all, they will die later, as part of vladimir putin's will, from vodka, and not prison, if we are talking about enlisted personnel, maybe officer personnel, there already let's remember from adolf how it was there, how many people were tried, there were not many of them there, there were as many as 77. if i'm not mistaken , those from the closest circle, well, now probably something similar will happen, but nevertheless, germans, in many generations of germans after the second world war, they atoned for this guilt and understood this guilt, are russians even able to understand that there is guilt? again, only the war will show this, let's do it, now somehow i don't even want

to draw these parallels. because germany has changed, there are completely different people, they are brought up differently, they have a different system values, but after 1945, those who served in the wehrmacht and adolf served, that is, in fact, denazification began when a new generation of people grew up under the influence and pressure of the allies, to talk about modern russians, well, i think it’s a utopia, you understand, well, look what they are there, how? even the drawings that are used in the russian federation, well, this is a pure reich, and only yulia navalnaya and the rest of these theoreticians, who dream of a terrible and beautiful russia of the future, talk about it out loud, but even aesthetically, it is nothing is different, even if i find it quickly now... photos like one

furar, one people, what is there, one state, well, well, well, well, how can it be perceived normally, it, ah, well, look , well, i don't know if it will be visible or not, yes, it is visible, it is visible, here, one country, one people, but, one president, anfolk, ain rai, hanführer, sorry, this, this is not artificial intelligence. took this top photo, i want to tell you that it seems to me, against the background of this, why in germany, the ultra-left, ultra-right began to lose support, well that is, putin's friends, because as i understand it, the germans looked at it, and they say, that's how we taught it in the textbooks, how the nation is turned into this sect, well, in this case, into non-adol.

volodymyr, but technologically it works the same, the only thing is that adolf did not have a television, and adolf, the ideological son of adolf, is doing well with television, you see, he jumps, shouts, we won there, and so on, we will call him not volodymyr, but valdemar, it will be much fairer in this situation, roman, one more a problem that is now being articulated, in particular by german defense minister boris pistorius. he says that the russians have started to produce a lot of weapons, very simply, and blinkin talks about this, he says that the secretary of state of the united states of america, that thanks to the help of china, over the last year, russia has significantly accelerated the pace of weapons production, he said that while in saudi arabia let's hear what blinken said if you look at what russia has done in

the last year in terms of production. ammunition, missiles, tanks and armored vehicles, you will find that it is producing them faster than at any time in modern history, including during the cold war, when the soviet union existed. how does she manage to do this? because it receives significant volumes of machine tools, microelectronics, optics, mainly from china. 70% of machine tools and 90% of microelectronics come from china. roman, the arms race. who of the union, which tried to catch up with the united states of america, ended with the collapse of the soviet union. the current arms race in russia, how can it end? well you see it seems to me that in the modern world the most important thing is a person, but in the literal sense of the word, a soldier, i don’t know, there the military says manpower, modern technologies, there is robotics , and so on and so forth, well, it probably allows increase

the product. tivity of work, the only thing that arises here.