on may 4, this is the kind of fresh weather that is expected tomorrow in the north, there, for example, i said, or in the central regions, it will cover a significant part of the territory of ukraine, but without precipitation, but on may 5, on easter, the night will be dry, fresh, dress a little warmer, on easter day in the west, in the north , short-term rains will pass in some places, thunderstorms will thunder in some places, but everywhere... the weather will be warm in ukraine. good evening, we are from ukraine. watch verdict with serhii rudenko in the program. frontal assaults and bombings kabami the enemy is pressing chasiv yar and is trying to launch an attack on pokrovsk from avdiivka. how long will the russians have the upper hand? in aviation and ammunition. weapons,

finance and political interaction. zelensky announced new security agreements, in particular with the united states. does ukraine still have any hopes for the july nato summit in washington. to achieve conscientious actions. putin cannot be expected to negotiate in good faith until he is pressured by a large coalition of like-minded countries. kuleba explained the absence of russia at the upcoming peace summit. glory to ukraine, this program verdict. my name is serhiy ordenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next hour, we talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. the enemy is putting pressure on the yar times, new security agreements for ukraine and who is finally there.

will pressure putin. we will talk about this over the next hour with our guests, diplomat volodymyr ogrysk and major of the armed forces of ukraine ihor lapin. however, before starting our conversation, i suggest watching a video of the consequences of the shelling of odesa on may 1, as a result of the attack of the russian occupiers 14 people were injured in the city. civilian infrastructure was destroyed. the occupiers targeted warehouses. mail in the depot and the branch together had 904 shipments worth almost uah 3 million. the rashi missile destroyed not only the depot and branch, but also 15.5 tons of orders from online stores, let's look at the consequences of the russian attack on odessa. connects.

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please vote with the appropriate button: yes, no, or leave your comments on this video. if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think the global peace summit in switzerland will speed up ukraine's victory in the war with russia (0800-211-381), or 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program. we will sum up the results of this vote, i want to introduce today's first guest, he is igor lapin, major of the armed forces of ukraine, special appointee, people's deputy of the previous convocation, mr. major, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, let's start our conversation with the situation on the eastern and southern fronts of ukraine, the russian occupiers managed to break through and gain a foothold in the reedy . to the northwest of avdiyivka,

but the part of the village where the enemy is located is under fire control of ukrainian soldiers. the fighting continues, the command of the operational-strategic... group reported today troops of khortysia. at the same time, as oleg kalashnikov, the head of the guard service of the 26th artillery brigade named after general khorunzhy roman dashkevich, told espress on the air, the occupiers were forced to storm the yavre head-on with heavy losses, as they were unable to bypass the city from the flanks, where the armed forces units were holding their positions. forces of ukraine. let's listen to what oleg kalashnikov said. it is these positions of ours that prevent the enemy from creating just such a semi-southern flank, i.e., from taking it into a ring, as he did in some other places, and he does not succeed in this attack, therefore he is trying to storm right in the front,

besides, after all, i understand that he has deadlines, which he is trying to fulfill after all, on may 9, and therefore he really does not regret not at all ... how do you assess now the situation that is developing in the east, you know very well these places, about which our representatives of the press services of various groups give summaries, what is happening there now, according to your assessment, how the enemy is rapidly advancing and what can happen after the enemy enters the time , well before... to be honest, i heard how mr sirskyi said that after the time of yar the enemy would try to go to sloviansk-kramatorsk, but at the same time i said that after the time of yar the enemy, in addition to looking in the direction of sloviansk kramatorsk, would still try

to press to kostyantynivka with the further development of success, if it is to him, well, we are now talking about the miscalculation of their probable intentions with the further direction to pokrovsk. the issue of the avdiivsko-pokrovsky direction, we are already talking to you as avdiivsko-pokrovsky, unfortunately, avdiivka is no longer ours, after when the lastochkino redoubt, as i called it, was breached, it was clear that the enemy would continue to deepen, if i am not mistaken, they have already deepened almost 12 km, wedged into our defenses, and this is a very bad story, especially in the area ocheretino, again, having come out into the ocheretino area, they look again at the track... pokrovsk, this creates a very serious overhang of a large, so to speak, cornice over our ugledar, and the ugledar now, in addition to deterring blows from front, it will also deter strikes from the flank, and this is a very serious threat of the exit, well, the russians to exactly these positions,

which will pose a threat to our defenders , including the coal mine, and as for the direction of sloviansk, well, sloviansk for now. they are only bombarded, but we are looking at how at the moment uah 3 million is allocated for the landscaping of kramatorka through the prozoro system, well, to be honest, i don’t know how to say, how to comment on the idiocy of this situation, but i want to tell you that it is also allocated uah 15 million for road repairs in the settlement of kostyantynka, well, what else can i say, what more do we need there are not enough signals to assess... the possibilities of this trend that is happening in the minds of our officials. on the purchase of barbed wire for defensive structures, they spent less money than on asphalting roads in kostyantynivka, which is a few, less than 20 km away, let’s say, to the front line,

there is a shorter distance, well, what else can we talk about, but analyzing the situation on the fronts, one cannot ignore certain... small successes, namely the expansion of the bridgehead on the left bank of the kherson region, its expansion, and plus more a little deepening, not for a long distance, of course not for kilometers, we are still measuring, but taking into account the fact that we had a very serious shortage of shells to cover our bridgehead in the kherson region, on the left bank, of course, it worked quite well, as the frontliners who cover this bridgehead, as well as our marines, who were entrenched on it... for nothing, and this is a pretty good story, so to speak, well, there must be at least some positive side, if you look at the distance to the borders of the occupied crimea from our platform, then this distance is on an order of magnitude less than what was done, where we

tried to go last summer in the counteroffensive to the occupation of the borders of the occupied crimea, well , somewhere, let's say this, today i draw attention to the map of military operations in this context of the defense dispute. for our defenders, the position regarding the asphalting of roads is unclear, and at the same time, of course, the situation where the russian forces are hanging over, so to speak, now... there was information that a large encirclement of a group of ukrainian troops was allegedly being prepared there near turkey and so on, i can't analyze it, because at least for this you need to have an operational situation, to know the intelligence data of the strength of the enemy's means, well, including ours, thank god, i don't have such data, so we will not reveal all the trump cards today , which may be in the hands of the armed forces of ukraine in this direction, well, one more important detail, or rather... another important argument in the current situation for ukrainians is the weapons provided to us by our western partners, and

yesterday the supreme commander of the armed forces by the forces of ukraine, zelensky stated that he ordered that these weapons be promptly delivered to the front, and i, how they will be promptly delivered, how they will be delivered to ukraine, this is obviously a state issue. a secret, but we heard another statement these days that some western countries do not object to ukraine using their weapons on the territory of russia, the newly appointed minister of foreign affairs of latvia, baiba braje, said this in an interview with european truth, let's listen, what she said: but already now there are countries that already provided weapons to ukraine without such restrictions, really? absolutely, of course, not everything is announced publicly, and it is even better not to say it out loud until a certain time, the main thing is

the influence on the polyba, because here there is a choice, whether to say something loudly, or just do what is necessary. mr. major, what the minister of foreign affairs of latvia says means that it is obvious that the capabilities of the armed forces of ukraine regarding strikes on the territory of russia will be expanded to what extent. which the transfer of hostilities to the territory of the russian federation can change the situation at the front, will it change? well, of course it will change, because without moving the war to the territory of the aggressor, this war can last forever for them, but a very short period of time for us. and this is understandable, because our economy will be depleted, our soldiers will run out, and the russians will be fine, everything is fine with them. at the same time, strikes on oil infrastructure, and in particular on... refineries, we see the reaction of representatives, some representatives, including the united states, who say: "no, no, because they will grow

fuel prices". well, igor lapin, just like all normal, conscious citizens, understand that the question of survival, economic survival of russia lies in the same plane, and will we survive then, because if russia survives, then we then it won't happen. and everyone understands that. that's why i will welcome any strikes on the novorossiysk oil transfer base, and like all conscious citizens, i will look at the oil prices, but i will understand what the reasons are things, i want to remind you that during the war in iraq not much nato allies, allies of the united states, or rather, had a ceremony with saddam hussein's oil industry, well, they didn't pay much attention to what oil prices would be, the more oil prices can collapse saudi arabia, which can play along with the western world here, if it will need so i say once again, the opec countries are not only russia, which is stuck there somewhere, it is a much more

powerful structure, as far as the prospects of such strikes are concerned, i have great doubts that we will receive a storm shed tomorrow, the more i have even more doubtful that we will be allowed to use them on the territory of russia, although on the other hand, some unmanned technologies of unmanned vehicles, which we are now successfully using to take out russian refineries, i think can be useful to us, russia will understand only... if we get pockets, including, i want to congratulate gazprom, against the background of expectations of large profits in 2023, they have now shown unprofitability and their shares have fallen by 4%. i congratulate russian gazprom and hope that this trend will continue in the coming years. well this is how i feel about these international statements today, but i want to say that for me there is a very unpleasant statement about some representatives of nato. that zelensky can come to the washington summit to stand somewhere there as an extra next to the other 32

representatives of nato member countries. and the second statement, which confused me, is that ukraine will not be able to become a member of nato now, because it has problems, and at the same time, as soon as the issue is resolved that ukraine can save europe from its problems, then it quickly will become a nato country. that is, as long as we have a headache, we cannot, but if they have a headache , then... they will call us to protect them, well, to be honest, this unfortunately cynicism of some statements kills me, and on the other hand, i perfectly understand that the world is not ukrainian-centric and on... if it were not for western help, you and i would be partisans somewhere in the area of ​​the forests of the carpathian mountains, so of course i thank our western partners, but still i i believe that russia needs to be wiped out economically by the whole world, and this will be the main, main way before our victory, by the way, maybe you as a journalist heard how the meeting

of political advisers ended on april 27 in qatar, it turns out there was some... meeting, or is it on the eve of the swiss summit, maybe there is some news, because i, frankly , i can’t find it anywhere, but the meeting was like that, the meeting was like that, and they discussed zelenskyi’s formula, zelenskyi’s peace formula, well , i personally always say that this peace formula from zelenskyi, apparently in switzerland, should be presented not only as a formula peace for ukraine, but also a formula for peace for the whole world, because the security system that existed until february 24, 2022 collapsed, it is gone, and it would be right for volodymyr zelenskyi to come to this summit and say: listen, let's talk not only about the peace formula for ukraine, because the formula for peace for ukraine depends on whether russia will exist in that form and whether this putin's russia will be racist. and let's talk about what to do

in general in this world, because there is one aggressor who threatens everyone. to the whole planet earth, i think, mr. major, such a conversation could would be, and it would be logical, i don't know what you think about this, well, it seems to me that the expansion of this framework of the peace formula for europe, for the world, would give ukraine the opportunity to show that it is in the context of global trends, and that is, ukraine is ready to become part of this security system, if not in the nato system, now, then in... the system of some european security structure, which can be parallel, for example, to the north atlantic alliance. well, look, i can agree with you on many points, but i have a question appeasement of aggression, aggressor or peace formula is not very to my liking for one simple reason, it lacks four beautiful letters, they are called nato.

zelenskyi's peace formula does not contain a single sentence regarding ukraine's membership in nato, and therefore it is a matter of our security. er, it should consist then in what, and that is exactly what this question is very key, if a new system of global collective security is formed, then it is clear how it will work, but in the word peace formula from zelensky, i do not see the formation of any key collective security on a global scale, so this too will not be discussed in switzerland, then what will this talk about, well, about the fact that 80 countries will say that they recognize our... territorial integrity, well, china also says that it recognizes our territorial integrity, but that doesn't stop them from helping the russians make high-tech weapons, whether by providing some dual -use goods there, or by allowing north korea to supply missiles to russia, roughly speaking directly, well, we hear statements from chinese partners that they are against

proliferation of nuclear weapons, nevertheless sidzinpitz meets with lukashenka, who declared to the whole world that putin gave him nuclear weapons. and putin confirmed that he gave lukashenko nuclear weapons, so i treat this summit as a conversational one, but if there is a question of excluding the moment that concerns ukraine's membership in nato, then i consider it treason precisely in the context of the unconstitutionality of the actions of the president of ukraine. which is against the constitution, well, if he will deny our membership in nato, and precisely in i think this thesis should be reflected in this formula of peace, if it is not there, then please, an alternative, but not that one. well, we saw this filkin letter that zelensky signed, and the minister, if i'm not mistaken, the minister of defense of italy commented that it does not bind us to anything, it is not ratified by the parliament, and it is generally a contract of intentions to negotiate, even not to do something, to agree on intentions, and

this filkin charter can be broken only by one message per month from one of the parties about the fact that she does not want to further participate in this treaty about the intentions to negotiate, well, to be honest, i now have such a chaotic, you know, algorithm of thoughts in the context of the swiss summit and the statements of world powers such as china and so on, but i welcome the statements of the american side regarding probably some israeli model of an ally of the us outside of nato for ukraine, some in favor of... are already sounding like that, and in conclusion on the international topic, i would like to add another interview of macron, who said that in principle, france is considering possibility the introduction of troops, but for this there must be two. factors, the first factor is the breakthrough of the front line in ukraine, well, you can say that, for example, reeded, you can say, well, formally, the first factor is there, and the second factor

is zelensky's appeal and confirmation of this by the parliament's vote on the introduction of foreign troops to help us. i cannot understand why there is no such appeal for the third year, at a time when at the front, excuse me, there is a complete problem, a serious problem in the armed forces of ukraine, as with equipment, i am not saying that... until delayed aid for six months, where the russians took advantage of this and bit off very large pieces of our territory. mr. major, the permanent representative of ukraine to the un, serhiy kyslytsia hinted at the destruction of the kerch bridge in the x social network. he published a list of six main types of bridges for 2024: arch bridges, cantilever bridges, cable-stayed bridges, suspension bridges, tied arch bridges and. .. chechen bridges, now we will show how it looks in graphics, well, you see, he describes and show with a screenshot, please, well, this is how

these bridges look, and if on five of them he published a picture with an image of the corresponding type of bridge, then the picture with the inscription kerch bridges is empty, that is , the russians are already howling and shouting there today, that the ambassador of ukraine to the un is talking about what will happen in... on the kerch bridge, how close is this strike possible time, and what will he change? well, in order for this strike to happen, we need to understand with what forces and means we will do it, that's the main thing. well, you can basically say nothing more here, because we don't have an understanding, and why? rockets attacks, well, first of all, you need too many of them to knock down bridges, and on the other hand, i think it will be more effective to use them against. command centers and centers of air defense systems, knocking out their air defense, then we will be able to better use aircraft, and here the question is not only about the f-16, i want to remind

the audience that kazakhstan recently sold, in connection with the renewal of the aircraft fleet, sold 117 at auction planes, 81 soviet -made planes are meant, mig 31, there are su-24, mig, su-27 and so on, that is, well... 51 aircraft of various modifications were bought by the united states, well, let's have fun, but for whom did they do it, well, let's think that in principle, in this way, they will help ukraine. for those who don't have much orientation, i want to say that at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, if i'm not mistaken, our air fleet was about 120 machines, well, if we add 80 today, believe me, it's not much worse than six f-16s . well, let's ... that the russians now rule the skies and their guided air bombs are a big nuisance to any of our ground facilities, and here it is not only a question of yar times, which is directly

on the front line, but here is the question of sumy, here is the question of kharkiv, and so on. therefore, i believe that this story has the right to life. as for the kerch bridge, i don't know yet by what means we can take it down, because germany does not hand over taurus missiles to ukraine. well, england, britain spoke. to the germans, give us the taurus, and then we will not give the ukrainians the taurus, but we will give them a storm shelter. well, i emphasize once again, i can only think about some forces and means now, which ukrainians could use. of course, it would be a principled position for me if the sapsan system, which was promised to be launched a long time ago, was already working in our country, and hussiv reported that it was already ready, almost there , it would soon be on its way out, but hussev has already been there for several years , as is not the case in the defense industry. i hardly believe that the green team has restored this program to the extent that it could work, as for the attacks that we have already discussed,

there are not many of them in the world, well, but for example during the operation that i already mentioned against troops hussein in iraq, if i'm not mistaken, the americans used about 600 missiles in attacks to knock out the command centers of hussein's army, 600 were given to us, if i'm not mistaken, about a hundred, well, let's be sober, how much it will work, i don't know, their penetration capability , what kind of modification is there, maybe there is something that i don’t know, for this experts should speak, and i emphasize a simple infantry combatant, as a simple infantry combatant and a major of the armed forces of ukraine, i will ask you about mobilization, because on may 18 of this year validity the law on amendments to... the mobilization legislation, where the control and accounting of conscripts will be strengthened, will this

law solve all the issues of mobilization, because we... see the questions regarding ukrainians who are now articulating, regarding those who are abroad , consular services, they are now denied consular services until they are registered with the tsc, whether these are all the measures that are in this law, whether they will return ukrainians to their country, and whether and whether this mobilization will increase. . resource in ukraine in your opinion? oh, you know, well, you can't say it quickly in one sentence, well, let me try briefly, so regarding the law on mobilization, i believe that removing one sentence from this law, namely the question of demobilization, seriously harmed and knocked out the ground , regarding the motivation to go to the army for an indefinite period, well, it's true, no matter what, i

already emphasized... and gave this example, taras hryhorovych shevchenko, soldiers in the recruits for 25 years. considering the mobilization age in in ukraine, from 205 to 60, this has been happening in our country for 35 years, even more than under the tsar, well, that is, these are, well, excuse the sarcasm, but this is what, as they say, knocks the ground out from under the feet. and as for the trend in general, well, let's say this, i was in the military not long ago, because i am also, as they say, a person who has... certain duties, even despite being wounded and commissioned, but nevertheless, i had communication with many people, well , i know many people, let's not forget that i was once a people's deputy, that's why i say, well, how is the situation now? well, he says that people are afraid because the deadline is not set, that's true, but of the seven people who stood in line to renew their data at the tsk, i'll tell you frankly, there were students among them, one was taken because he was already a evasive person. already

having a combat summons in his hands , he did not appear and was taken to the tcc, and two people came to mobilize for the war, well, that is, these are two guys who really came, just came, but they say, we will go to war, that is, not with a summons, but they just came, it comforted me a little, you know, with the hope that it wasn't all it is lost in our state that the patriots have not yet ended, so the army, the language, the faith in the trenches will not end, because what to do with those who, who , what is the difference, who fled abroad? illegal, i'm not talking about those who have been living there for many years and they are now restricted in many rights and so on, but what to do with those who fled abroad and how to return them, nothing will return them, not even the lack of consular services , many of them are ready to renounce their citizenship, and in principle, the relationship to this story is as follows two-fold, you know, on the one hand, and then what kind of citizens are they, if they are ready to throw the passport of a citizen of ukraine in the face of the kulebi,

if only i would renew it. to give the data in the electronic account of the conscript, well, to be honest, somehow it sounds a little wild to me, but nevertheless, well, they surely understand that after these renewal data they may receive a summons, and if they do not come there from poland, relatively speaking, then they will receive a fine, and if they do not come again, then there will be other consequences, well, for example, i, to be honest, i don't know how to relate to these citizens, but i am now interested in the others who fled abroad, fled across the tisza, fled for fakes. documents or by providing fake data, false data for registration of departure through the shlyah system or any other corruption feeder. in this context , i believe that criminal proceedings should be initiated, i understand that no one will deport them to ukraine, this is logical. no matter what anyone said, even there the defense minister of poland said something, the defense minister of one of the countries baltic states, he said: there will be no deportation, because there is a fundamental principle of law, european law, and in a country where there is a war, no one will deport anyone, especially at

such... moments, but nevertheless, i believe that the restrictions civil rights for people who have not fulfilled their responsibilities should be extended to everyone, to all those, well, maybe some don't need it, well, okay, well, but at the end of this war, we still have to win, i don't i want these people to come and have the same powers and rights as those citizens of ukraine who devoted their, their lives to the struggle, left their health and life, you understand, and in this context to be elected, to be elected, to work in the public service, to work in the security forces, these citizens should be limited in these rights, this is my position, i i do not deviate from it, but these are my thoughts on this matter. thank you, mr. major, for the conversation, it was ihor lapin, a major of the armed forces of ukraine, a special officer, a people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation. friends, we are working live on the tv channel.