to the menic vision , you are taken care of, if the patronage service will treat you, there will be some kind of support, that is, this concern for a person, for a military serviceman, it is not covered much, and it must be covered, and recruiting, this is one of the tools to convey to people that today the army is actually very powerful and interesting, and it is important, we will talk a lot about it today, precisely because these are such scandalous cases when someone is put in a bag, it is all discussed at once... it becomes a viral video , him they forward each other and focus on this , and the same applies to sad stories related to military service, they also somehow affect our guts more, mrs. larisa, i think she will tell us more about this, but i want to ask mr. andreykiv , vitaly portnikov touched on an interesting story, and if everyone after the entry into force of the law there, when they need to update their data, will everyone go to the tsc, will they really be able to do it physically? could

there be a problem with this, which problems do you see now, which can be corrected by the state first of all? well, the problem of mobilization, it consists of several components, it is, first of all , regulatory certainty, and it also needs institutional certainty, that is , several elements must be combined that will allow, first of all, to create a mechanism for attracting people, but you know, the human psyche is shaped in such a way from my own experience that it perceives negative information. more quickly, and this negative information, because any bad news out there lives much longer and attracts more attention than any good narrative, information that our interlocutor mentions. in fact, the ukrainian army has gone through the path of forming the reality in which it exists, fights and wins, which the same nato troops spent almost 70 years on, because nato was created in the 49th year, and the path they took in normal, adaptive conditions of belonging. funding, planning,

analytics, the ukrainian army has passed extremely quickly, so we have many positive examples that should be implemented in the outreach work that is carried out on a daily basis, whether they will cope in in principle, the subdivisions of the territorial assembly centers, i think that we are very one-sidedly perceiving the procedures that are in place and accepted today, because it is not always necessary to physically go to the rtc and bring your information, there are the same electronic ones. offices, there is, there is the same e-mail, that is, the state has created a variety of mechanisms for fulfilling its civic duty in the part of, for example, the registration of a military employee, but for some reason the extreme is perceived and popularized, that you have to physically go to the military commander and wait there directly in queues, no, this list of measures is quite large, and we still have to understand what i feel about myself based on those narratives that are very... well popularized in the information

space, the situation is winding up in our country, then with the consular services that cannot be obtained, then from the mobilization, which is about to end, or will begin in an unknown format, then already in some kind of counteroffensive by the russians, who are about to go, you understand, the war is going on, we are fighting the enemy, who has planned his long-term activity perspective, which means that the state is there... whether we accept the government or not, it must form an idea of ​​the resources it possesses, there is nothing wrong with knowing the number of people who physically live in the territory of a particular community , and about their military and accounting specialties, there is really no state of health, but in principle, you need to contact people in advance, give them the appropriate mechanisms, tools of communication, they exist, but people simply do not know about it, i think that the number uh...

announced to the resource or reserve of the armed forces, which is needed, it will be mobilized, it is already actually mobilized, we are, there are certain things that we cannot talk about publicly, the army is constantly learning, the army is in camps, training abroad in ukraine, simply the army is also a living mechanism that needs immediate renewal, and in our country the term mobilization should be associated with the need to give rest to those people who really fight for 2 years and... when someone is called up in the army, it is not always actually a tragedy, that there are other negative cases or there is the popularization of various videos, i think that the enemy is really working, the enemy aims to destabilize the moral and psychological atmosphere in society, but ukrainians are smart, the army, i think that there is an effective competition between the two components of the old, there of the post-soviet reality in the armed forces, but there is also a lot of innovation, the same recorting company, new approaches, new methods, are

evidence that even in the army some new principles, mechanisms, tools are being born, which will give, first of all, calm, planned and efficient to complete that task to plan the number of people. who should be included in the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine. we are attaching alina bondarchuk, deputy head of the center for countering disinformation at the council of the national security and defense council, in the context of what mr. andreykiv said, and which, in this incitement around mobilization, around those videos, those people, those endless telegram channels, here, i will not advertise the telegram channel now, only lviv, all his who live in lviv, you know, there, if... you go to that telegram channel, you get the impression that, in principle , you go out into the street, well, in every square there are endless buses, representatives of the tsc, you walk, you go out into this street, nothing happens there, well, actually, if you read the telegram channel, there is simply no chance, they

just take everyone and it doesn’t matter, they will soon be there, they will probably add to the fact that they will also take women, so ms. alina, the question is, what is the share in all that... the price injection work of russian ipso and how we can do that to resist, if there is such a share, of course there is, congratulations, colleagues and congratulations to the presenters, at the expense of narratives about mobilization, of course, this is now the top narrative, because the enemy needs the discrediting of our mobilization resource of our mobilization campaign, and the main narrative is that , that we... this is not a constitutional obligation, but a method of punishment, people are shifting these concepts from equalizing this border, and for some reason they put it in the heads of some of our ukrainians, also the very company we talked about, a dodger in tiktok, all saw

this video, i'm 100% sure, woke up dodged and everything else that should be in the head of that person. who, traveling abroad illegally, makes a video of how she spends her weekdays evading military service, in the same case when the military, who are directly in the combat zone, see the same videos, enter the comments - and read all that , what is happening at all, and this to me, in my opinion, is terrible, because ... this should not happen, and the enemy specifically launches such campaigns so that our people enter into debates, in the comments, they promote these videos, these videos become popular, gain millions of views, then they

take it all to telegram, they screw it all up in telegram, lead to some scale of an incomprehensible, absolutely incomprehensible campaign, the same story with ... tsk, everyone saw the video, how a woman from kyiv came out to tell the tsk employees what they have the right to do, what they don't have the right to do, who fought where, who had ubd, who didn't have ubd. therefore, unfortunately, in zmi and in our media and telegram channels, only, as they say, the final part of the video, which falls, it's like for some there. interception or some kind of detention, for example, of a person, although there is no information about the previous or some kind of chronology of events that happened before that, and what i want to clarify for you, how can we break this trend, well, because we really see that this the trend exists, what should we

do if this trend, well, at least replace the trend of the eternal one who is packed somewhere, for example, with the trend of a person who comes voluntarily. e comes to the vlk, signs the papers there, goes to serve in the unit to which she belongs wants to serve, in the end, so that people do not walk in such an eternal fear, that together, together, we, the media, you as state representatives and structures that are responsible for this, have to, how can we fix it, and whether are you in favor of banning tiktok, telegram, which you are talking about, where are these problems? in order, at the expense of proposals, how to counteract this, and... we gave several of our proposals, the first is the involvement of male influencers of draft age so that they go to the tsc with cameras, their phones and multi-million audiences and showed how it actually works, this is the first option. the second option is for the bodyguards,

employees of the state civil service, who would walk and film on the streets, what is happening, how people communicate with them, how they communicate with them, just ordinary people, the woman from the entrance. a grandmother on a bench, a person near the subway, that is, me, to be honest, we wanted to conduct a survey, walk the streets and ask people, have they seen? they are with their own eyes, as employees of tsc, as they say, yes, they pack people, but i would be interested in conducting such a survey so that people said, did they see with their own eyes, not from tiktok, such cases, at the expense of blocking tiktok telegram and everything else, the anti-disinformation center blocks precisely the channels in tiktok, we have already blocked 24 channels and another 44 are on the way, and we are blocking channels in youtube, we blocked the panchenko channel, we blocked the astashko channel, in general, that is , it was removed from youtube for russia,

ukraine, and the whole world, that is, we work with blocking, at the expense of blocking a resource such as of the app itself, uh, that rather, it is rather a question of some critical such action, and which should lead to it, probably that some critical situation or... some kind of crisis - some kind of crisis situation, most likely, in the center we adhere to the opinion that it is necessary not to block , and to be the first, to start your own trends and to be intercepted by the ardent primacy, we have people in the studio who are ready to ask you questions, or to add from themselves, let's start with anatoly khapchynskyi, then panidi, i want to add about what, for example, i don't understand but... there is no problem in telegram channels, there is no problem with tiktok, there is a problem

with how society perceives information, there is no need to ban this tiktok, there is no need to ban those telegram channels, it is necessary to teach people to perceive information correctly. let's go back to the time of the first world war, when under president boudreau wilson in the united states, in the united states, there were guys who would come to the theaters and before the show started, they would tell why they wanted to... that is, the government should tell more so that , excuse me, buckets that pour mud which are being promoted, could not spill this dirt, it is necessary to explain in schools, please tell me where there is media literacy in schools, there is, there is, but anyway, well, let's do it, not enough, not enough, anyway, now we need to strengthen it. and for example, at the expense of once again carrying out greater illumination,

the illumination of these issues, rightly told, everyone thinks that immediately in the trenches. lidia smola, i have a short question for the leader, please tell me what narratives, ukrainian narratives about the armed forces of ukraine your center produces and spreads. ukrainian society, in relation to the ukrainian army, and in what format do these narratives spread? first of all, we have a youtube channel of the center for combating disinformation, where the head of the center conducts a program about the war with former prisoner of war and serviceman azom, azov dmytro diplomat, they talk there about current narratives, about how to counter them. exactly what concerns military topics, plus there is also a youtube project led by

government photographers and kostyantyn libirovy kramatorsk station, where absolutely everyone is involved military personnel of various categories on various topics, who also tell how recruitment into brigades takes place, what an assault is, how to properly prepare for mobilization, to... in the tsk, how it all happens, that it is not scary, that is, in an accessible language the military tells how it should be done and what needs to be done, as for the social networks of the center as written, we simply tell what we record about the armed forces of ukraine and debunk the relevant narratives when there was a discrediting campaign against oleksandr. we fixed it, explained what fakes are against it was spread, debunked and explained

the truth, also in the social networks of the center, in its projects on youtube and everything else, also from the non-public, the center is attached to a large number of working groups of the state, you are talking about channels, and i ask, what narratives are you talking about channels, not about narratives, and now ms. for two questions, because we have the next guests already planned so that you can answer i would like to add that when we talked more about tck, we talked about how to counter or work with one. with one of these spontaneous reasons that actually today is a problem, i would highlight the other side of the coin more, it is precisely the army, the army, what are its advantages, what are its values, what can it be, popular, useful, necessary, but very little is said about it, everyone highlights the bad, we it is necessary

to show, but honestly show, that the army really is ok, today, summing up, ms. lidia spoke about... assets, so this is also a question, not delivery channels, mr. andreykiv, about the number of subscribers, and we will let ms. alina bondarchuk answer , if necessary, you can reset, by the way, all your youtube channels to our guest editor, we will be happy to place them in the description of our videos, we are doing a common thing, ms. alina, you have words, together, we oppose together, yes, thank you, i will go to the guest editors, as for the narratives, it is all situational, if we take, for example, the campaign on mobilization and disruption of mobilization, we specifically offered several options as counter-narratives, to do this, for example, a bias to the fact that this is not a punishment, but this is a constitutional requirement, everyone should appear, explain that this is not all, that

scale the problem, it is, accordingly, in this, we see in this for... but if we are talking in the narrative part, i will say this, is the suffering of the general staff is the suffering of the armed forces of ukraine, i cannot quite tell the counter part, which we do not publicly, most likely this issue will be before hilarion pavlyuk, maybe he will voice this position, i will say this, if it is necessary to share, for example, the communication framework that exists, we can involve our colleagues in it, please write to me on whatsapp, take the guest editors on the phone, and we will attach to mailings are needed and needed colleagues and we will share narratives, thank you, alina bondarchuk, deputy head of the center for countering disinformation at the nsdc, mykola

knyazhytskyi wanted to take the floor, so we will not add anything, how many subscribers can be seen, who wants to see, we ... well, we are responsible for myself, our youtube channel govoryt velikiy lviv is also engaged in everything to explain to people, tell the truth, give the word live, you could hear what it really is, there are nuances with tiktok, the united states of america decided to give up this social network, we also understand that it is a lot to fight with tiktok algorithms, and who is chinese, so you know, we have two different topics, one topic is mobilization, the topic is information security, they are related, but they are different topics, because when we talk about the mobilization that has been going on in our country since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, the law that we passed is only changes to the current law, it continues, then, well, we really know very little about the army, about what is there is happening, the day before yesterday i returned from the avdiiv direction, i was driving i visited my son, and even brought something

to the boys there, so that you understand, in the parts that are there, you just have to understand it for yourself. 50% are approximately filled in many, in units, this is very often, this is still such a good indicator, that is, there are not enough people, these american weapons have not yet arrived, they are supposed to be motorized brigades, but not fully motorized, and they are huge crowd, and when there are not enough people, it leads to deaths, despite this, the guys who are there, i serve in the soviet army, i remember what hazing is, what countrymen, what is a multitude of negative things, the ukrainian army is completely... different, and when i, for example, say to my son, well, he is busy, maybe he wanted to do something else, i say, maybe you will transfer, he says, well, how will i transfer , where i will leave the guys, and here are the guys who serve with him, they are such good people, that is, one of them was a lawyer in the city council, one it expert, i talked with them, they are basically honest, intelligent guys, and they are not for, and they have no betrayal in their heads, and they had losses in the unit, so they are very difficult they worry about it, because they believe that there

might have been a mistake somewhere, but these are their friends, with whom they were there together, were together, but in principle, they all have... a normal fighting spirit, and they, they do not who does not have fear, senior officers have fear for, because they lack people, there are some problems with logistics, with communication, they worry about these people, and there is a lot of pressure on them, they, they worry, in the boys and soldiers themselves are not afraid, that is , it is not scary there, it is really normal there a full-fledged brotherhood, when i came here to lviv, now i just came back from there, and the first stories about tekashniks who catch all the people at all corners, well, maybe something like this is happening, but these are just different problems, these are the problems of our government and how our government works in society, what narratives, as it was absolutely rightly said, are presented, because we... discussed this law on mobilization for a very long time, scared everyone, first proposed in the law to demobilize, the government itself, then refused for it to vote, and people expected, although it is difficult

to do this during the war, we also understand this perfectly, but people want to know what their future is, at least some limits, in society there was a negative attitude toward the authorities, to reject it, they conducted sociology, they saw that people really don't like those who fled abroad and call them scumbags, but you, who stayed in ukraine , are not liked so much, because they are the same, they decided to do something great. company with the termination of consular services, which will not and did not give anything for mobilization, because this termination does not affect the fate of those people, they are still under the protection of european conventions, they will still extend their terms of stay there, but they will never return here at all, but the company was conducted, shouted, and there is a shortage of people in the army, our new law actually comes into effect on may 18, that is, after 18 a register should be made in may, after that people will have to go to the central committee again, but it might be easier if there is a register, so this register could be made. on the first day of the invasion by the decision of the cabinet, for this it was not necessary to pass a law and wait so long, well, we did by the cabinet resolution on the termination of consular services, in fact they repeated everything that

is written in the law, but they could have made the register and changes to this law on mobilization in exactly the same way by the cabinet resolution, the authorities are simply thinking about pr, how to maintain the rating, and not instrumentally, in what way for people to simplify the system for those who want to go into the military, how to encourage people because... well , my son too, he was in the training center before he went directly to the combat unit, and to show people just how these training centers are working, people are being trained for this normally, in the army, too, in principle, there are losses, but if we do not defend the country, i heard portnikov before this, there will be no country, and we should all be aware of this in principle , that's why i would n't do any unnecessary panic here, the authorities should explain to people that it's not scary, that it's a duty, that we need people. take really not that much, because well, i won't say, once the previous boss said 500,000, then he said, it's within a year, it means that in the coming months we need to recruit about 150,000, and we have a mobilization resource,

well, there are approximately 4-5 million, these are the people who could join the army, that is, this does not mean that everyone who will be given summonses for in order to bring order to this, they will certainly be called, but all this must be explained, good examples of the army, training, danger for the country should be shown, work with the same... tck employees so that they do it properly and order this work, here we have complete chaos, because the authorities think again for this pr of mine, but i want to tell you that there are not enough mobile people, you have to go to fight, it is scary on the one hand, on the other hand, it is a duty, and when you are there, you feel this fear much less, here is such a narrative that where is the grandfather of people's deputies, let them serve, it can often be read in the comments, and always when we have people's deputies... people's deputies at the judge, i ask them where their children are, the situation, that's why that i am in principle, but my son does not want me to talk about it, and that is understandable, i am on facebook once

published, i just went to see him when all these conversations started, he laughs, when he goes somewhere on an assignment and the guys laugh at him, they say let the children of the deputies go, well, they poke him, and there are other colleagues of mine from my faction, in which children also serve, it's just that you don't always want to talk about it, well, the guys in the team, they don't drink. himself, that he is there, he is the same as all the other guys, on the other hand, when this narrative spreads, well, the children and husbands of many there are not all, so there are such, who is hiding, just as there are those who do not go to the tsc, they are hiding here, yes, but of course there are security issues, some other issues, but well, i decided to say it just so that people do not speculate on it and in order to, well, i just hear first-hand what is happening there and how it is happening, we include oleksandr fedienko, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the committee on national security. and defense intelligence of the representative of the authorities, we see you and hope that we will hear now, so this is it, sorry for such a banal question, but i'm probably rebroadcasting this from many of our

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concerning. fear, why do we have it and why is it so strong, because people survive in terrible conditions, there in the carpathians they run away from a wolf, they can spend a few days somewhere in some snow, and nothing happens, we still don’t know what , but we are afraid, this is precisely the trap of our fear, because on the one hand it is the instinct of self-preservation, and we pull our hand away from the hot pan not because we... we tell ourselves through cognitive processes, now i will take my right limb away from the source of hyperthermia, no one like that doesn't speak, the hand jerks away faster than anything we can think of, and that's the part that's reflexive, any living thing that 's mortal, it's running away from danger as fast as it can, it's our reptilian brain, it's 700 million years, but this is our frontal fate, this is our homo

sapiens - this is 60 thousand years. you understand, there is no law of reciprocation, but how does homo sapiens differ from the usual reflex behavior of animals, the presence of this resource of awareness, the presence of a resource volitional component, and what is the problem of fear, that in effect our consciousness is narrowed, our iq drops by a third, and from the fact that we can analyze, predict, what is the danger. here are all these twists, how dangerous are these hyperstimulations of danger, because then you do not function with your cognitive resources, analysis, prediction of consequences, and the authors of manipulative influence technologies understand this very well, great, scare and you can do whatever you need, and if we recall the beginning of a full scale invasion, true

well, why did people rush to... we were listening to the mayor's speech there.