to introduce today's first guest, this is ihor lapin, a major of the armed forces of ukraine, a special agent, a people's deputy of the previous convocation, mr. major, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. let's start our conversation with the situation on the eastern and southern fronts of ukraine. the russian occupiers managed to break through and gain a foothold in ocheretyn to the northwest of avdiyivka, but part of the village is in... the enemy is located, they are under the fire control of ukrainian soldiers, the fighting continues, they reported today in the command of the operational-strategic grouping of khortyts troops. at the same time, as oleg kalashnikov, the head of the press service of the 26th artillery brigade named after general khorunzhy roman dashkevich, told espress, the invaders are forced to storm head-on at times with heavy losses, as they cannot bypass them. from the flanks, where

units of the armed forces of ukraine firmly hold their positions. let's listen to what oleg kalashnikov said. it is these positions of ours that prevent the enemy from creating just such a semi-southern flank. that is, take from the ring, as he did it in some other places, but he can't do it. that is why he is trying to storm the vlog. in addition, nevertheless, i understand that... that he has deadlines, which he is trying to fulfill after all, it is may 9, and therefore he really does not spare any effort, nor resources, which he is now throwing at assault. mr. major, how do you assess the current situation in the east, you know very well these places, about which our representatives of the intelligence services of various groups give a summary of what is happening there now in your estimation, how fast is the enemy

advancing and what might happen after the enemy enters the ravine times? well, let's be frank, i heard mr. syrsky say that after the time of the yar the enemy will try to go to slavyansk-kramatorsk, but at the same time i said that after the time of the yar the enemy will, in addition to looking away slavyansk-kramatorsk will still try to put pressure on kostiantynivka with further... development of success, if it is for him, well, we are now talking about the accounts of their probable intentions, with a further direction on pokrovsk, the issue of avdiivsk, the pokrovsk direction, we are already talking with you, as avdiivsko-pokrovsk, unfortunately, avdiivka is no longer ours, after the lastochkino redoubt, as i called it, was breached, it was clear that the enemy would continue to deepen, if i'm not mistaken, they have already penetrated almost 12 km, wedged into our defense. and this is a very bad

story, especially in the ocheretino region. once again, after entering the ocheretino district, they look, once again, at the kostiantynivka-pokrovsk highway. it creates a very a serious overhang of a great, so to speak, eaves over our ugledar, and the ugledar now, in addition to deterring blows from the front, will also deter blows from the flanks. and this is a very serious threat precisely, the withdrawal, well, the russians are in this position. which will pose a threat to our defenders , including the coal plant, and as for the direction of sloviansk, well, so far sloviansk is only being bombed, but we are watching how at the moment, 3 million uah are allocated for the landscaping of kramatorsk through the system transparently, well, to be honest , i don't know how, how to speak how to comment on the idiocy of this situation, well, but i want to tell you that uah 15 million has also been allocated for... road repairs in the settlement

of kostiantynka, well, what else can i say, what signals are we still missing in order to assess the capabilities of this trendie who is happening in the heads of our officials, they spent less money on the purchase of barbed wire for defense structures than on asphalting the roads in kostyantynivka, which is less than 20 km away, let's say, to the front line, there is a shorter distance, well, what about? we can still talk but when analyzing the situation on the fronts, one cannot ignore certain small successes, namely the expansion of the bridgehead on the left bank of the kherson region, its expansion, and plus a little deepening, not over a long distance, we certainly do not measure in kilometers there yet, but taking into account the fact that we had a very serious shortage of shells to cover our bridgehead in the kherson region, on the left bank, of course... but

both the fpv drones that cover this bridgehead and our marines did a pretty good job the infantrymen, who were entrenched on that platform, and it's a pretty good story, so to speak. there must be at least some positive side, if you look at the distance to the borders of the occupied crimea from our staging post, this distance is an order of magnitude smaller than the distance we worked out, where we tried to go last summer in the counteroffensive to the occupation to the borders of the occupied crimea, well , let's say yes, i'm paying attention to the combat map today in this context: defensive structures for our defenders, an unclear position on paving. roads at the same time of course, the situation where the russian forces hang over something, so to speak. now information was coming in that a large encirclement of a group of ukrainian troops was allegedly being prepared there near turetsk, and so on. i can't analyze it, because at least for this

you need to have an operational situation, to know the reconnaissance data of the strength of the enemy's means, including ours. thank god, i do not have such data, so we will not reveal it today. all trump cards that can be in the sleeve of the armed forces of ukraine precisely on this direction. well, one more important detail, or rather, one more important argument in the current situation for ukrainians, is the weapons that are provided to us by our western partners, and yesterday, the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine, zelenskyy, stated that he had ordered that these weapons be promptly delivered to the front and... i, how it will get there quickly, how it will get to ukraine, this is obviously a matter that is a state secret, but we heard another statement these days that some countries of the west do not object to ukraine

used their weapons on the territory of russia, said the newly appointed minister of foreign affairs of latvia, baiba braje, in an interview with european truth, let's hear what she said. said, but already now there are countries that have already provided weapons to ukraine without such restrictions, really, absolutely, of course, not everything is announced publicly, and it is even better not to say it out loud until a certain time, the main thing is the influence on the battlefield, because there is a choice here, whether to speak loudly about something or just do what is necessary, mr. major, what the minister of foreign affairs of latvia is saying means, that... that obviously the capabilities of the armed forces of ukraine regarding strikes on the territory of russia will be expanded, to what extent can the transfer of hostilities to the territory of the russian federation change the situation at the front, or will it change? well

, of course it will change, because without moving the war to the territory of the aggressor, this war can last forever for them, but a very short period of time for us. and this is understandable, because our economy will be depleted. our soldiers will run out, and the russians will be fine, everything is fine with them. at the same time blows on oil infrastructure, and in particular on refineries, we see the reaction of representatives, some representatives, including the united states, who say, no, no, because fuel prices will rise. well, igor lapin, just like all normal, conscious citizens, understand that the question of survival, economic survival of russia lies in the same plane, and will we survive then, because if russia survives, then we will definitely not be there. and everyone understands this, so i will welcome any strikes on the transshipment oil infrastructure novorossiysk base and like all normal, conscious citizens, i will look at oil prices, but i will understand what the reasons are. by the way, i would like to remind you that during the war in

iraq, nato's allies, the allies of the united states, or rather, had a ceremony with the oil industry of saddam hussein, well, they. they didn't pay much attention to what the oil prices would be, the more oil prices can collapse saudi arabia, which can play along with the western world here, if necessary, so i say once again, the opec countries are not only russia, which is stuck somewhere, is a much more powerful structure, as far as the prospects of such strikes are concerned, i doubt very much that we will get a storm shed tomorrow, even more so i doubt even more that we will be allowed to use them on the territory of russia, although with on the other hand , i think that some non-woven technology of non-woven devices, which we are now successfully using to take out russian refineries, can be useful to us. russia will understand only if it gets in the pocket, including. i want to congratulate gazprom, they are on against the background of expectations of large profits in the 23rd year

, they now showed unprofitability and their shares fell by 4%. i congratulate russian gazprom and hope that this trend will continue in the coming years. well, somewhere like that i'm alone. today to these international statements, but i want to say that for me there is a very unpleasant statement about some representatives of nato itself, that zelensky can come to the washington summit to somewhere there... stand as an extra next to the other 32 representatives of nato member states , and the second statement that confused me that ukraine will not be able to become nato, a member of nato now, because it has problems, and at the same time, as soon as the issue is resolved that ukraine can save europe from its problems, then it will quickly become a nato country, that is, while we have a headache, we can't, and if they have a headache, then they will call us to protect them, well , to be honest, this one... it's a great pity , the cynicism of some statements kills me, and on the other hand, i i perfectly understand that the world is not

ukrainian-centric, and i emphasize that if it is not western aid, then you and i would be partisans somewhere in the area of ​​the forests of the carpathian mountains, so of course i thank our western partners, but still, i believe that russia should be wiped out economically by the whole world, and this will be the main, main way to our victory . by the way, maybe you, as a journalist, heard how the meeting of political advisers ended on april 27 in qatar, it turns out that there was some kind of meeting, or it was on the eve of the swiss summit, maybe there is some news, because, frankly, i can’t find it anywhere , but the meeting was like that, the meeting was like that, and they discussed zelenskyi’s formula, zelenskyi’s peace formula, well, i personally always say that this peace formula from zelenskyi... probably in switzerland it should be presented not only as a peace formula for

ukraine, but and a formula for peace for the whole world, because the security system that existed until february 24 , 2022 collapsed, it is gone, and it would be right for volodymyr zelenskyi to come to this summit and say: listen, let's talk not only about the formula peace for ukraine, because the formula for ukraine is peace, depends on whether russia will exist in that form and whether this putin will be. russia is a rashist, let's talk about what to do in general in this world, because there is one aggressor who threatens everyone, the entire planet earth. it seems to me, mr. major, that such a conversation could take place, and it would be logical, i don't know what you think about it, it seems to me that the expansion of this framework of the peace formula for europe, for the world, would give ukraine an opportunity to show , that it is in the general context. world trends, and that is, ukraine is ready to become part of this security

system, if not in the nato system, now, then in the system of some european security structure, which can be parallel, for example, to the north atlantic alliance. well, look, i can agree with you on many points, but in general i don't really like the question of pacifying aggression, the aggressor, or the peace formula for one simple reason: it lacks four beautiful letters. they are called nato, zelenskyi's peace formula does not contain a single sentence regarding ukraine's membership in nato, so the question of our security should then be what? and that's it exactly what is this question that is very key, if a new global collective security system is formed, then it is clear how it will work, but in the word peace formula from zelenskyi, i do not see the formation of any key global collective security , so this is also it no... will be discussed in switzerland, then what will this chat room be about? well, about the fact that 80 countries

will say that they recognize our territorial integrity? well, china also says that it recognizes our territorial integrity, but this does not prevent them from helping the russians, making high-tech weapons, or by providing some dual-use goods there, or by allowing north korea to deliver missiles to russia, or, roughly speaking, directly. well, we hear the statements of the chinese partners. that they are against the proliferation of nuclear weapons, nevertheless sidzinpitz meets with lukashenka, who publicly declared that putin gave him nuclear weapons and putin confirmed that he gave lukashenko nuclear weapons. therefore, i treat this summit as a chat room, but if there is a question of excluding the moment that concerns the membership ukraine in nato, i consider it treason precisely in the context of the unconstitutionality of the actions of the president of ukraine, which is contrary to the constitution, if he will deny ours. membership in nato, and precisely in this peace formula, i believe that this thesis should be reflected, if it is not there, then, please,

an alternative, but not the filkin letter in the form of signed agreements on the intention to negotiate, well, we have seen this filk letter that zelensky signed, and the minister, if i am not mistaken, the italian minister of defense commented that it is not us, it is not which does not bind, it is not ratified by the parliament, and it is generally a contract of intentions to negotiate. not even to do something about it, the intention to negotiate, and this filk letter can be terminated only by one notification in a month from one of the parties that it does not want to further participate in this contract about... intentions to negotiate, well, to be honest, i now have a chaotic, you know, algorithm of thoughts in the context of the swiss summit and the statements of world powers like china and so on, but i welcome the statements of the american side regarding probably some kind of israeli model of an ally

of the us outside of nato for ukraine, some statements are already being made like that, and finally, on the international topic, i would like to add another interview of macron, who said that in principle france is considering the possibility of introducing troops, but for this there must be two factors: the first factor is the breakthrough of the front line in ukraine, well , you can say that, for example, reedy, you can say, well, formally, the first factor is there, and the second factor is zelensky's appeal and confirmation of this by the parliament's vote on the introduction of foreign troops to help us, i cannot understand why there is no such request for the third year, then... the time when at the front, excuse me, well, there is a complete problem, a serious problem in the armed forces of ukraine, as with equipment, i no longer i'm talking about delayed aid for six months, where the russians took advantage of it and bit off very large pieces of our territory. mr. major, the permanent representative of ukraine to the un, serhii kyslytsia hinted at the destruction

of the kerch bridge, on the social network x, he published a list of six main types of bridges for 2020. 24th year arch bridges, cantilever bridges, cable-stayed bridges, suspension bridges, tied arch bridges and kerch bridges, now we will show how it looks in graphics, well, you see, he describes and show with a screenshot whether please, well, this is how these bridges look, and if on five of them he published a picture with an image of the corresponding type of bridge, then the picture with the inscription kerch bridges is empty, that is... russians today are already howling and shouting there that the ambassador of ukraine to the un they are talking about the fact that there will be an attack on the kerch bridge, to what extent this strike is possible in the near future, and what will it change? well, in order for this strike to happen, we need to understand with what forces and means we will do it, that's the main thing. well,

you can basically say nothing more here, because we don't have an understanding, and what about missile attacks, well, first of all. you need too many of them to destroy bridges, and on the other hand, it seems to me that it will be more effective to use them against command centers and centers of air defense systems, knocking out their air defense, then we will be able to use aircraft better, and here the question is not only about the f-16, i want to remind the audience that kazakhstan recently sold, in connection with the renewal of the aircraft fleet, at the auction, it sold 117 aircraft, 81 soviet aircraft. production refers to mig-31, there is su-24, mig20 su-27 and so on, that is, 81 aircraft of various modifications were purchased by the united states. well, let's have fun, and for whom they did it, well, let's think that in principle , in this way, they will help ukraine. for those who are not very oriented, i want to say that

at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, if i i'm not mistaken, our aircraft fleet was about 120 machines. well, if we add 80 today, believe me, it's not much worse than six f-16s. well, let's say that the russians now rule in the sky, and their guided air bombs are very annoying to any of our ground objects, and here the question is not only the times of yar, which is directly on the front line, but here is the question of sumy, here is the question of kharkiv and so on further. therefore, i believe that this story has the right to life. as for the kerch bridge, i don't yet know by what forces... we can tear it down, because taurus missiles are not transferred to ukraine by germany, well, england, britain told the germans that give us the taurus, and then we will not give the ukrainians the taurus, but we will give them the stormsheds. well, i emphasize once again, i can only think about some forces and means that the ukrainians could use. of course, it

would be a principled position for me if the falcon system, which was promised to be launched a long time ago, was already working in our country. gusev reported that she was already there, almost ready, she would soon be on her way out, but already gusev several years away from the defense industry, i hardly believe that the green team restored this program to the extent that it could work. as for the attacks, which we have already discussed, there are not so many of them in the world, but for example, during the operation that i have already mentioned against hussein's troops in iraq. if i'm not mistaken, the americans used about 600 rockets in attacks to knock out the command centers of the huseynov army, 600 were handed over to us, if i'm not mistaken, about a hundred, come on. let's be sober as far as that will work, i don’t know, their penetration capability, what is the modification, maybe there is something that i don’t know, for this experts should speak, and i emphasize a simple infantry

combatant, as a simple infantry combatant and a major of the armed forces of ukraine, i ask you about mobilization, because on may 18 of this year the law on amendments to the mobilization legislation comes into force, which will... strengthen the control and accounting of conscripts, will this law solve all the issues related to mobilization, because we see that the issues regarding ukrainians who are now articulate, regarding those who are abroad, consular services are now denied to them in the performance of consular services until they are registered with the tsc, are these all the measures that are in this law, or? will they return ukrainians to their country and whether and whether this mobilization resource will increase in ukraine in your opinion? you know, well

, you can't say it quickly in one sentence, well, let me try briefly, so regarding the law on mobilization, i believe that removing one sentence from this law, namely the question demobilization, it will seriously harm... and broke the ground regarding the motivation to go to the army for an indefinite period, well, it is true, however it may be here, i have already emphasized and cited this example, taras hryhorovych shevchenko, soldiers in recruits for 25 years, taking into account the mobilization age in ukraine from 25 to 60, in our country this happens for 35 years, even more than under the tsar, well, that is , they are, well, excuse the sarcasm, but this is what knocks out, as they say, the ground from under the feet. as for the trend in general, well, let's say this, i was in the military recently, because i am too, as they say, a person who has certain responsibilities, even despite being wounded and commissioned,

but nevertheless, had communication with many, well, i know many people, let's not forget that he was once a people's deputy, that's what i'm saying, well, how is the situation now, well, he says that people are afraid because the deadline is not set, that's true, but hey, out of seven people who were waiting in line for renewal. given to the tcc, i will tell you frankly, there were students among them, one was delivered because he was already a evasive person, because already having a military summons in his hands, he did not appeared and was taken to the tcc, and two people came to mobilize for the war, well , that is, these are two guys who really came, just came, they say, we will go to war, that is, not with a summons, but just came, this is a little bit of me yes, you know, i was comforted by the hope that not everything is lost in our state, as well as a patriot. have not ended yet, so the army, the language, the faith in the trenches will not end, because what to do with those who have fled abroad illegally, i am not talking

about those who have lived there for many years and their now they have restricted many rights and so on, but what to do with those who fled abroad and how to return them, nothing will return them, not even the lack of consular services, many of them are ready to renounce their citizenship, and in principle, the relationship to this history is so twofold. you know, on the one hand, what kind of citizens are they, if they are ready to throw the passport of a citizen of ukraine in the face of the kulebi, if only not to renew the data in the electronic account of the conscript, well, to be honest, somehow it sounds a little wild to me, but none the less , well, they probably are they understand that after these renewal data they may receive a summons, and if they do not come there from poland, relatively speaking, then they will receive a fine, and if they do not come again, then there will be other consequences, well, this, for example, i'm honestly saying . speaking, i don't know how to relate to these citizens, but i am now interested in others, those who fled abroad, specifically fled across the tisza, specifically fled on the basis of forged documents, or by providing forged data,

false data for registration of departure through the path system or any other corruption feeder. in this context, i believe that criminal proceedings should be initiated, i understand that no one will deport them to ukraine, this is logical, no matter what anyone says, even there the minister of defense of poland said something, the minister of defense of one of the baltic countries said that there will be no deportation, because there is a fundamental the principle of the right of european law and to a country where there is a war, no one will deport anyone, especially at such moments, but nevertheless, i believe that the restriction of civil rights for people who have not fulfilled their duties should be extended to everyone , for all those, well, maybe someone doesn’t need it, well, okay, fine, but after the end of this war, we still have to win, i don’t want these people to come and have the same powers and... as those citizens of ukraine who dedicated their, their lives to fight, they left their health and life, you understand, and in this context to be elected, to be elected, to work in the civil

service, to work in the security forces. these citizens should be limited in these rights, this is my position, i do not deviate from it. well, these are my thoughts on this matter. thank you, mr. major, thank you for the conversation, it was ihor lapin, a major of the armed forces of ukraine, a special officer, a people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us there live, please follow our pages on these platforms and also participate in our vote. today we ask you the following question: will the global peace summit in switzerland accelerate ukraine's victory? yes, no, if you have your own opinion, separate, please write under this video in the comments. if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote. if you think that the global peace summit in switzerland will accelerate the victory of ukraine (0800-211-381), no (0800-211-3822).

all calls to... these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. next , we will be in touch with volodymyr o hrysko, diplomat, politician, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9, head of the russian research center, mr. volodymyr, i welcome you, thank you, that you joined our broadcast today. greetings, mr. serhiy, thank you for the invitation, always happy. mr. volodymyr, zelenskyi said this week that ukraine will not become a member of nato until the end of the war with russia. this was the result of his conversation with nato secretary general jens stoltenberg, does this mean that ukraine will have to look for other formats of cooperation with the alliance, and outside it, well , it means the status of the main one, for example, a partner, outside nato, with the united states of america or with great britain, or that aid and those agreements that we currently have with our main partners, the united

states of america. great britain, germany, enough to receive help and be part of this community, well, in this way? well, it seems to me that really, as long as hostilities are going on , no nato country will vote for ukraine to become a member of the alliance. they are afraid, they understand that this will mean the beginning of a full-scale war between nato and russia, and this is real for them. you know, the patrilineal red line through which they don't will be overshadowed, so i think that in this regard we must be realistic and understand that you cannot jump over yourself. what can be an alternative replacement are the agreements that have already been signed and are being prepared, especially, i think, we should take into account

the agreement that is currently being prepared with... the united states of america, because it should become really decisive in in the context of providing ukraine with everything necessary that the armed forces of ukraine will need. and over a rather long period of time. er, that is, all these agreements are concluded for a period up to 10 years. so, if it is possible to agree with the united states of america that for this period clear supplies of weapons and equipment to us are planned, appropriate measures are taken to train our armed forces, and so on and so forth, then this will have a very positive effect on our armed forces. forces, and although there will not be, unfortunately, an analogue of the fifth

article of the washington treaty from the side. the usa, because we see it going this way, our partners are afraid, well, then, it will mean that we are going in such a slightly circuitous way, but we are somewhere, well, in a few steps to what is called interoperability, which will then turn into normal membership of ukraine in this organization after our victory. mr. volodymyr, ukraine is already signing these bilateral security agreements, and president zelenskyi said in an evening video message that ukraine is preparing seven more new bilateral security agreements, in particular with the united states of america, as you have already mentioned, and is also ready to start negotiations with...