is the telephone conversation next, then the visit of secretary ellen, the secretary of the treasury of the united states of america, now blinken, which took place according to the arrangements of the telephone conversation between joseph biden and xi jinping, which they showed, and the united states of america is focused on security issues, because these two, these two voyages to beijing concerned the first. group of issues that concern ukraine is that chinese banks, including the state bank, finance the defense and industrial enterprises of the russian federation. second, this the fact that china supplies dual-purpose equipment, goods and technologies, which means that there are also components and spare parts for individual weapons. the third very dangerous thing is that...

the volume of cooperation between the enterprises of the military-industrial complex of china and russia is increasing, and even two weeks ago, when yelen was on a trip to beijing, she met with the minister of finance, the vice-premier yer, with the head of the central bank, the state bank, and china, where the emphasis was clearly placed, any movement of chinese subjects, management or banks during... and will be met with sanctions from the united states of america, despite the fact that both the united states of america and china, economically, financially, they are connected like siamese twins, because one is credited to china by american resources, and america has borrowed too many resources from china to feel completely free about obligations to china. but she

pointed out very strongly about these things that the united states will not allow china to do this, threatening the so-called long sanctions, that is, it means that they will hit not only on the first phase, and on the second, there are subcontractors and so on, with similar things, with the addition of the situation in the south china sea, the tension between china and japan and the topic of peace . north korean chubby dictator, blinken also came to visit, and a conversation was held on this topic , including the supply of dual technologies to russia and the possibility of china's participation. as of now, china insists that russia should be at the meeting federation. this means that the representative of china will not be present at the time

of the peace summit, as far as this global peace summit is concerned, from my point of view, the maximum that can be expected from him is some text, well, a text that is agreed upon , and those who will, but one must understand that if there is no china, then there will be no whole number of states of the so-called global south, to what extent it affects the situation, well... the point of view affects the statistics and no more and no less, because simple will be enough, but donate for a member concrete union, those who are committed to the idea of ​​democracy, who are committed to the idea of ​​a civilized world, its future, because it is possible to get into the situation that we got into with the same budapest memorandum in the person of china.

will join joined, moreover, even in 2011, china confirmed these guarantees in writing, a bilateral agreement was signed on the confirmation of real guarantees, as it is written, in my opinion it was even the month of june 2000 or something, i have already forgotten 2011, but it does not interfere now i want to say that a we actually have nothing to do with the situation, we did not create it, therefore... and we still talk about the fact that we did not sign, i see, when i hear such things, well, well, when it is so-so, when it says there is lord david cameron, who at that time was still in distant student weddings and parties, and does not remember much about these things, well, when wang yi says this, who has it written on his forehead that i was there, i remember how in kyiv, they signed these confirmations of these guarantees, and right away he tells at... the hen conference that we have nothing to do with

it, at least it looks like it from the point of view even chinese philosophy, a little, well, forgive me for that, i will say, the polar bear is like this, and, well, well, this. this, this, and not in the european way, and not in the chinese way, and not at all, because you, and with all these processes, were in the functional position of, well , almost the head of the ministry at that time, and it is so obvious that everything here needs to be weighed very carefully, to understand to what extent there may be variants of events, and in my opinion, understanding that the situation is developing. not by decreasing aggravation, increasing aggravation, then here, as the classical system says, it is necessary to cement this core and to strengthen this core and move not just to words and texts, but to the fact that this

core is united, forming a joint fighting fist, forming a headquarters, well, at least in geneva, if it becomes clear that china will not be there, the so-called countries of the global south are not, then we must immediately move on to cementing ourselves and having a conversation about what, what is this, how far ahead, well, the situation with israel, the situation in ukraine, the situation in the indo-tech region, it is already , she is already talking, she is shouting that if not now to stop, and here it must be understood very well that the biggest beneficiary of the tension in the two regions, that is... the middle east in the indo-pacific region, is won by moscow, and in many ways it initiates these processes, i am not saying africa, well everyone they know that the situation there is in shambles, in six to five african states, the government is actually

captured by private militants of various ministries and departments of the russian federation. you talked about the fist and the headquarters, who could? in your opinion, it is really undeclared to join ukraine and develop it in general some effective additional structure. well, from my point of view , the british have been engaged in this for a long time, and the british have been working on it, and for some reason i have the idea that the minister of defense of great britain shabs, he was actually appointed to this position in order to lead. similar work. the latest decisions made by the british government reveal a lot. i do not rule out that we should return to the idea, once expressed by zbigniem dzerzynski, that military and political stability in the eurasian space can

to be achieved only thanks to the union of france, germany, poland and ukraine, this is a serious thing, we need to work on it, but i will say once again, from my point of view, this is leadership. in this process it is necessary to give to the british, and why? their understanding and vision of the eurasian space is connected both with interests in europe and with interests in the far east, in the indo-pacific region, it is visible how they are starting to work independently, it is obvious that they understand the situation that has developed and will develop in the coming years in of the united states of america, and... independently to work out all these components, the thesis about the transfer of the economy to military rails, which was announced by the reshisunak, well, for many of us, it gave goosebumps, for great britain it means that the state receives

priority in orders for defense products, notes that most enterprises must they will be postponed at the request of the state. absolutely all contracts and to fulfill only what the state says, that is, rishi sunak made it clear to everyone, but if you step from foot to foot, well , then we will take this upon ourselves responsibility and we will work. thank you very much, mr. ambassador, for this extremely important and meaningful conversation, i want to remind our tv viewers that now the iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat roman bezsmertnyi was working on the air of the tv channel. well, it's time for our program. ran out, stay tuned to the espresso tv channel. my colleagues will inform you about all the most important events of this day. take care of yourself and your loved ones. see you on air.

i welcome our viewers to the studio of the espresso tv channel. i am artem lagutenko with you today, and we will talk about probably the most high-profile court case in ukraine over the last year, which is the case against roman chervinskyi, a colonel of the security service of ukraine. before talking about her, i want our viewers to watch a short story about who roman chervinskyi really is. roman chervinskyi, a ukrainian intelligence officer and sbu colonel, hails from khmelnytskyi. he was a participant in the loudest special operations in the occupied territory of the donetsk region. in particular, the intelligence officer contributed to the removal of commanders of illegal armed formations of the dpr arsena pavlov with the call sign motorola and mykhailo tolstykh with the call sign givi. chervinsky confirmed. his participation in the operation to transfer to kyiv the militant volodymyr tsemakh, who could be involved in

the boeing mh-17 crash in july 2014. in the summer of 2020, the intelligence officer led the operation to detain the wagnerites. chervinsky has been under arrest since april 25, 2023. the security service of ukraine accuses its ex-employee of an arbitrary recruitment operation. military pilot, which led to the shelling of the kanatove airfield in kirovohradsk region roman chervinsky calls the case against him a political order. this is actually such an extraordinary man roman sherovinsky, the case against him in the court is even more strange, and there are a lot of white spots in it, which his defender, mrs. lyudmila kusa, will help us understand. i congratulate you. and before talking about the very essence of this matter, i would like to ask you this: as

a result of the shelling of the kanatove airfield , the commander of the military unit was killed, 17 soldiers were wounded and two fighter jets of the ukrainian air force were destroyed. in your opinion, someone should be responsible for it, if so, why not... chervinskyi. in my opinion, the russian federation should be responsible for all these actions. since february 24, the 22nd year, all our military and civilian objects have been subject to constant rocket fire and bombardment. tens, hundreds of thousands of people, ukrainians, die. and the russian federation is responsible for this . the military of the russian federation and directly the military-political leadership that issues these orders. on... my belief is that no ukrainian military who defends this land, should not bear

responsibility for those actions that he commits within the framework of the law and which are aimed at protecting the homeland. my client acted solely within the scope of his authority and acted solely to protect the homeland. the very operation on the russian plane, its final goal was a russian plane, after receiving which, ukraine would be able, first of all, to finalize it. its planes, the last of which was released back in 91, and secondly, it would provide the immediate allies with a sample of this plane, this plane would be disassembled into tiny details, and we would understand how and what russia builds into it, why it is important, russia is constantly waging wars, russia has been shelling syria since 2014, they are constantly refining their aircraft and their military sphere in general and making adjustments there, and we should get ... access to this in order to win in the final version. mrs. lyudmila,

roman chervinskyi was arrested a year ago, and the case is still not considered on its merits. explain why so, and how much do you think this case can drag on? in my opinion, indeed the pre-trial investigation lasted almost a year, the case is currently transferred to... the court in kirovohrad precisely in order to be considered already on the merits, but the long pre-trial investigation, which continued after the notification of suspicion to chervinskyi, indicated that there was not enough evidence collected the investigation before the report of suspicion, so for another year it received this evidence, investigated, interviewed witnesses and so on, collected additional evidence, now the case has been transferred to the court, i see the only goal in this, unfortunately, i... that roman is planned to be taken into custody, and this is how we in ukraine have introduced criminal

proceedings to be considered for years, because summoning witnesses, who are almost all military personnel, is not such an easy task, these people throughout ukraine are defending the homeland and gathering them in court, interrogating them, that will also be enough difficult unfortunately, our predictions of the defense side in this process are such artificial detention and delay of proceedings. case, and by the way, we will talk with you about the witnesses, but about the detention, on april 19, the court, as far as was known at that time... moment did not extend the term of roman chervynsky's detention, but instead of releasing him, the colonel disappeared somewhere. tell me in more detail what happened then and why? i will tell you how we, the defenders, saw it from our side. preparatory court hearings in the case were held on april 12, 17, 18, and 19.

the article that allows the court to detain a person without... giving, let's say, this question, is article 615, which provides that in the event of impossibility of conducting a preliminary hearing, a person can be considered as one in which the term of detention was extended. actually , the very moment that court hearings were already being held, that is , there was no impossibility of holding a preparatory court hearing, it was. the case has been in court since april 2, and the court could hold this meeting and consider all issues during these days. this thought itself. was quite clear to us, and we believed that on april 19, since the client's preventive measure ends at night, he should be released, because this issue was not considered in this way. we were informed, and the activists, which were present at this court session, which lasted 3 minutes, and in the court itself we were informed that the session will no longer take place, a break has been announced, at 6:05 p.m.

, we will inform you of the next date after the court session. what is reflected in the court records documents, after, after that, this is important, my colleagues, lawyers kostyantyn globo and andriy yosypov, they arrived at the court there and tried to get into the territory of the court, they could not do this, it was immediately after the closing of the court session, it adjournment, no, they were not allowed in, the kirovohrad court is threatened by a fence, sorry for the russianism, and there is even a gate they tried to enter, it was closed, he answered. that is, they did not even manage to enter the territory of the court, let alone enter the premises. we made the appropriate requests to the court that we are asking to extend the preparatory session, because we arrived at it, it was already 7 p.m. there, we applied in writing through an email address with digital signatures, and i and my colleagues, but the court session yes was continued and it was not, from which we

concluded that roman should actually be released, but roman was received all this time in... a car of the convoy service under the court and somewhere only at 10 p.m. he was taken somewhere, where was he taken? it was incomprehensible to us at that time, unknown, he was actually not released. what roman himself said, when the court session was held at 6 p.m., he was asked if it was possible to continue, he said that without defense attorneys, of course not, and we did not have time to arrive at the court after the air-raid alarm, the air-raid alarm sounded four times, actually we were not informed that... the session is already continuing, we were somewhere at the entrance to the court, we didn't have time to get into it, we arrived, the session has already ended. roman says that after that, after the court said, well, that's it, we announce a break, the date will be later, after that roman was no longer brought to the court, he was there all this time in the convoy, in the convoy car, where should he go,

late in the evening they actually gave the decision to the court that he should continue to be kept in custody, it is normal for him. was a shock because he didn't even have anyone asked: dear mr. romanu, do you want to ask for the children to be detained for two more months, well, you did not invite the defense attorneys to the courtroom, well, you did not involve a free lawyer, and the article is serious and the court should have done that, then you at least ask the person, do you mind if we now automatically extend the term of detention for you, no, this was not done, and as reflected in the log of the court session, which has already been officially provided to us under the signature of the judge, including, the court ordered.. . to discuss whether it is possible to continue the session, roman hryhorovych said no, it is impossible, the prosecutor said it is impossible without defense attorneys, please consider the term of detention automatically extended , the court adjourned and left for the deliberation room, but today is april 26, the court has not yet left it came out of that conference room, they made a decision, but they still haven't come out of the conference room,

they're still there, according to their official documents that they gave us. er, moreover, my colleague was in the kirovohrad court yesterday, sorry, the day before yesterday, got acquainted with the materials of the case, the court recorded that the court did not receive our notices that we are asking to extend the preparatory session, because something happened with their electronic system, that is why they did not receive them, they received them late, that 's why on our i believe that some kind of falsification of documents continues, because it is not normal when the court sits in the courtroom for a week, at least the decision about... therefore, it is handed over to my client in the car, that's why this is the situation, we started calling at night in the police, to record that the person actually disappeared, that he was supposed to be released, but didn't come out, on monday... in france, around 11:00 a.m. , we got this court decision that he automatically remains in custody for another two months , and the court adjourned the hearing to may 25, may, the person is in custody,

the hearing is postponed for more than a month for unknown reasons, and since then we are now, for the first time , appealing this court decision, now the appeal hearing on this is scheduled for april 30 decision, and secondly we declare about all these illegal actions to... the relevant authorities, the state bureau of investigation and the supreme council of justice. can you explain to our viewers how this is allowed. what is the essence of the case, what is the evidence base of the accusation? look, in my opinion, i don't see any evidence base for the prosecution at all. the only thing that was done was that the prosecution artificially created two military examinations. how was it done? in his report, the employee. the sbu writes: one of the servicemen reported being at the kanatove airfield servicemen and equipment. the investigator rewrites all of this in his decision on

the appointment of an expert examination, and the experts take it as a fact, which is yes, someone reported. there is no evidence of this, not a single person, not a single witness, not a single document testifies to the fact that even if someone reported that at that moment there would be equipment at the airfield, there would be military personnel at the airfield, even more so. regens in one place in order to meet a russian plane, no, this is all a fiction, this is all as per the conviction of my client, i support his opinion, forgery of documents, here are all the others i believe the evidence points in favor of the defense, because the witnesses who were questioned during the pre-trial investigation in court are roman's direct leadership, his commander and the commander of the unit in which roman was on duty, they are in favor. .. it was said that roman did not act voluntarily, roman reported on this situation, constantly made reports on this operation, and this information was later

brought to the attention of the commander-in-chief. during the trial, we will consider all these details in detail, again to interrogate these witnesses, to establish all these circumstances. as it was stated in your story, yes, what did the sbu expect in the first place, arbitrary actions? no, the actions were not arbitrary, moreover, the commander. major general, he even gave an interview that roman agreed with him on all these actions, and all these actions were agreed on, there was no arbitrariness. regarding the sbu, it should be noted separately that in the case of the sbu, which took part in this operation and initiated it, it cannot be that the sbu is investigating its own operation, well, it cannot be, we said from the first meetings that the investigation was violated here, the investigator in the case questioned, including the former head of the sbu, and he interrogated him not in the premises of the sbu, but on the territory of the office where this person now works, this is

some kind of privileged treatment of a witness in a case where a witness is interrogated not like all ordinary witnesses, in his own office, the investigator interrogated other leadership of the sbu, deputy heads of departments, and as a witness, how can an investigator who is a subordinate of these people... objectively interrogate them, no way, neither do we it was repeatedly pointed out that such a situation should be corrected and this case should be transferred to another body, but unfortunately, this was not done, and we will question all the evidence precisely in connection with this, including by this, because the sbu could not carry out a proper, proper pre-trial investigation of this case. is that correct, i understand that one of the key witnesses in this case is... yes, you understand correctly, and we have asked the investigation to question him because we have one of the witnesses indicating that he

made a report to mr. zaluzhny on this situation and accordingly received permission for all these actions, therefore, mr. valery zaluzhny has not been interrogated yet, no, moreover, i will say, we received a court decision, which obliged the investigator to consider such a request of ours, i.e. .. today we are talking about the non-implementation of the court decision by the investigator, the investigator never carried out these actions, although we repeatedly wrote appeals, moreover, i will tell you, in the case that has already been given to us in full, there is not even a single summons sent to the relevant witness. very strange, ma'am lyudmila, in view of everything that has just been announced, are you considering the possibility of filing an application or appeal to... the european court of human rights, my colleagues are dealing with this, we have enough in the case, well, i am not alone, and colleagues are dealing with this, they file such

complaints directly, several complaints have already been filed. we have not received any decisions yet, as soon as we receive them, we will definitely inform the society about them, please tell us whether roman cherovinskyi is supported in one way or another by his colleagues from the service, the security service of ukraine, about it is quite difficult to speak to the security service of ukraine, because during the pre-trial investigation of the witnesses... who are sbu employees, pressure was actually exerted, they were not allowed to come to the court session and give evidence. how did it happen? there is a witness who could directly report that this operation was initiated in the sbu, and he also received all the necessary permissions from his management to carry out certain actions. so this witness was not allowed to the court hearings as follows: we will receive a summons from

to the court to summon him to... we scold him, he is immediately sent on a business trip, to some distant city several hundreds of kilometers away, so that he cannot physically appear in court, and this happened five times during the pre-trial investigation. in your opinion, what is the reason? the reason that an sbu employee will come and say that yes, this is an operation carried out by the sbu, yes from the sbu, from my leadership, including the highest, i received the appropriate permits for carrying out all these actions, including the involvement of the military . plus the sbu will need to explain how was the letter processed, because one of the pieces of evidence in the case is a letter signed by mr. zaluzhny in the name of mr. bakanov, in which valery fedorovych asks to second an employee of the sbu to the sso for the prevention of armed aggression by the russian federation, but this letter was directly in this operation, he was connected with this

operation, which we... paid attention to, and the sbu will have to explain why they seconded their employee in such a case and in connection with what, and i think that they won't be able to explain it somehow. mrs lyudmila, as far as i know, roman chervinskyi is or was involved in two more criminal proceedings, do you know anything about it? i don't know, maybe you can explain to me in more detail, then i can explain something. it's about business. where he allegedly pretended to be an employee of the border service and demanded money, can you tell me this? yes, this is a case that, in which he was really informed of the suspicion, it is in general some kind of absolute nonsense, because the case is absolutely and completely made up, it appeared at the stage when roman was in a pre-trial detention center, and i believe that the arguments of the defense were

so... strong that the prosecution was afraid that roman would be released from custody, and for this they needed to insure themselves so that, as soon as he is released from custody, immediately in principle to do the same actions with him and take him into custody again, this is the only purpose of this criminal offense, because he has nothing to do with him at all, none, and this case is currently time at the pre-trial investigation, there are open materials case, but she has very, very strange prospects, which will make the investigation incomprehensible with her, because there is no evidence in the materials regarding roman. and the second matter, regarding the alleged desertion of roman chego, it is understandable, it is generally also such legal nonsense, and how did this matter appear and in connection with what?

after all these events took place on... naatovo, roman was transferred to another position in another military unit, it was transferred by whom, excuse me, the commander-in-chief, valery zaluzhyn, yes there was a corresponding order and roman was transferred to another position. this order, this military unit, it was quite far from the city of kyiv and the kyiv region. roman appealed this order to the court, because he previously wrote a report that he has three minor children, and in this case, he is legally entitled to serve in the region where the family is located. he wrote this report, he was refused, he appealed to the court against the order to transfer him there accordingly. this is the case was won in the first instance, the decision was canceled in the appeal instance, and here in february.