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by ukrainian deputy yevgenia kravchuk, she is already in touch with us. ms. yevgenia, have a good day. good day, greetings to all. how is the creation of this, this special tribunal progressing and how effective will it be, what do we expect from it? well, in general, the fact that we are taking practical steps is very, very good, and i remember how in march of 2022 we kicked russia out of the parliament. assembly of the council of europe, and then from the council of europe, in general, for the first time we added literally one sentence to the resolution that it is necessary to create a tribunal on the crime of aggression, because the crime of aggression is in fact, it is not represented anywhere in the international criminal court, but what is the crime of aggression, it is when the political leadership, i.e. putin and company decided and the military decided to commit aggression against the sovereign of another state, and in fact. this

is like a synonym for nuremberg, and now the council of europe itself is taking such leadership, yes, of course, that these are mainly european countries. continent, but as in the case of the register of losses , all the countries of the big seven joined these countries, that is, the united states, canada, and japan, so we we expect that the circle can be wider, that is , in fact, this is the first step, then the committee of ministers at the level of government officials and ambassadors will deal with it, and it is obvious that the tribunal can be created by signing a certain agreement between of europe, as an organization that unites 46 countries and ukraine, and well, it is obvious that it must be somewhere in the gas, yes, and the netherlands has already expressed its readiness to accept this tribunal, moreover, it is even written in our security agreements ukraine and

the netherlands. regarding the events that are today take place around the social, you know, common. and journalist, in particular media-rukh , signed a joint statement that there is pressure on the public, and again here the well-known deputy maryana bezugla comes out on top, if you look at what she has been publishing lately, almost every second her publications are all kinds of things about how ineffective the public broadcaster is, that we finance it for nothing and that it should be thrown out altogether. from the national only news of the marathon, and yesterday, by the way, there was a committee on issues of freedom of speech, where yevgenia motorevska, lisa kuzmenko were invited, it was our committee, i will allow you to correct me, but you see, mariana bezula says that you held this committee meeting with huge

violations of the rights of a people's deputy and a citizen, i am she highlighted in capslock, i'm just reading it in a low voice, i probably should have shouted about it, and the principles of parliamentarism. ms. yevgenia, well, why wasn't maryana bezugla invited, why did this meeting take place without her, she asks, look, i think it should be arranged correctly accents, because we pay too much attention to her, and you, as journalists, are simply fueling her desire to write 10 more such posts, so that someone will do something about it, everything worked out, it worked out, it worked out with ignat, let's go... well for my part, yes, but i don't want to say that you are wrong, but this, this only, well, encourages, to take such eccentric steps, that's why our meeting of the humanitarian and information policy committee yesterday was about the state of affairs

in the public sphere, because we also want to make sure that there will be a proper budget funding this year and will be laid in... next year, because it is important, because independence consists of editorial independence and it absolutely exists in the public sphere, no one can say that it does not exist, and independence in terms of the actual functioning and production of those products, which are recorded as such in the statute of the public company. we definitely condemned the disinformation campaigns that are on social networks about the public, and once again told what the public is, that... this is not one channel, it is a media holding that unites both radio and the largest, in fact regional network of correspondents in ukraine, so i think that this is precisely one of the advantages of a public broadcaster, that there is this system of curpunts, and she also noted in her

statement, her conclusion, and that attacks on the independence of public, in general, as on on this reform, yes, the denationalization of the media, this is... equal to attacks on european integration, so, obviously , such educational work should also be carried out. i'll just react to what you say, that we should feed, maryana's posts are endless and the fact that they appear, i think that here after all the cause and effect is not the reason in the journalists, what they feed, and it is not my personal impression or andriy's. i am a journalistic community that already says that maryan traces some kind of relationship between the posts of maryana bezugly, which concern either some person or some institution, and when there is such a huge number of them and where there are constantly some slanders, then sooner or later late, something with this person to whom

these posts relate or with this institution, something eventually happens, well her posts eventually, they are not in a vacuum, they are immediately amplified, for example, accelerated by various telegram channels... which can then be seen even at press conferences of official events, that is, it is similar, i do not read telegram channels, i cannot support the discussion here, we also don't read, but we... we as journalists understand their harm, because unfortunately, people do not, no, do not have such skills, media hygiene, and analysis of information, who spreads this information, who is behind this information, why anonymous telegram -channels are evil, why isn't it not really about freedom words, and then when we see as journalists, again, that representatives of telegram, anonymous telegram channels are invited to official meetings in the office... i think that maybe the time is coming for the third year of the war, because we are falling, what is it about,

what i would like to talk about now in the context of this conversation, that in general there is a feeling that trust is falling within society, in institutions, people, in everyone and so on, that is, this is ultimately shown by sociology, the latest data you probably know about social security, that is, there is a drop in the state institutions of trust, and this is a certain crisis and... the communication crisis during the war, probably, it is about the fact that we somehow still have to understand what is the difference , in principle, between military censorship, which is necessary, and military censorship , because military censorship is anything that can be banned because we are at war. and that, and that, and that's a problem because we have, we have, you mean political censorship anyway. i mean any censorship that is not done at the request of the military. which is not justified by the military? i

i absolutely agree with you that, well , freedom of speech should also exist during the war, of course, with certain reasonable restrictions, because no one will be there, so there is no appearance, arrivals and so on, or those things, or those things, which can harm, well , statehood, because there are many cases when even the most patriotic people, or even... the ukrainian media become simply elements of the russian game and of the russians' planned disinformation campaigns, perhaps not even realizing it, but but just to be absolutely correct, still i would like to note that a new rating was released today, a fresh one, or rather a rating that reporters without borders, an international organization... unites tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of journalists there, and they evaluate the index of freedom of speech, so

ukraine is 18 points out of 23 this year it rose in this ranking, that is, it improved its position, now it is in 61st place out of 180 countries, of course it is better to be in the first there, i don’t know 20s, 30s, where are the countries of the european union, where are the scandinavian countries, and we should definitely go there, for example, we exactly... in a better situation now according to this index, at least than hungary. hungary is lower on the list and roughly on the same level, well, not much, at least lagging behind the united states. what is the reason for this improvement? the first is the improvement of the security situation, compared to the 22nd year. in the 22nd year, nine journalists died, in the 23rd year , two, of course, it is meant from the war, but the working conditions of the journalists. very difficult because of the bombing there, the quality of life in ukraine, in principle, yes, it is dangerous precisely because of it

themselves, and the situation has improved precisely because they evaluate it based on political pressure, so reporters without borders say that, after all, the politicians, the ukrainian authorities react, if there are any violations and there is a certain one, well, that is, they do not close themselves in the house and tell us it doesn't get around, as orbán does, for example, when he closes there. also, the social situation in hungary does not allow one to work independently there, that is the process, but one cannot also say that there is no reaction, because there is a reaction, and even the fact that the same viktuk was fired there, vityuk, i don't remember, congratulations, in my opinion, the surname, the head of the cyber department, and this is his, well, obviously, i can't say so, because i didn't sign the decree, but... there was an immediate reaction from the sbu, when he was suspended and transferred there, well, he went to

the front, and then the president's decree about his release appeared? no, this is actually good news, i was not yet familiar with this rating, and this is good news, and we state, of course, that freedom of speech exists in ukraine, despite the martial law, despite the war, despite maryan pezula there and there. .. such some of her outrageous antics, but eh, but this is quite a hybrid, unfortunately, freedom of speech, that is, there is a zspressu tv channel and it speaks, it has subscribers, it is watched, but at the same time, well, we have not yet returned the digital license, it is not clear, it is already the third year, for example, yes, there is a national telethon, where there is exemplary public news and exemplary work of journalists, and there is, let's say, a rather strange story with the radu tv channel, which is a state channel, which in principle in itself is not very good where the funding is going

it's for content production through completely different structures, now there's another interesting story there. quite a hybrid situation, it is not the worst, of course, but it is good that at least now we are at the verkhovna rada, as i understand it, the journalists are finally returning there with the telethon, i have one more interesting detail that now they are trying to restore advertising in the telethon, somehow it is strange, how it will be distributed between advertising income, between which tv channels, how it will be shared, we will also monitor this, but that it was finally the journalists who managed to get them back. to the verkhovna rada, however, they will somehow select who to let in and who not to let in, ms. yevgenia, how do you like the return of journalists to the sidelines? well, i will briefly respond to the issue of the marathon, just so that we understand, the telethon is, in principle, the first example of such a self-regulating organization of tv channels, there is no coordinator from the state there or,

well, the chairman of the national council there or someone from the ministry of culture participates. i don't know if anyone is participating. i did not participate in these meetings as the chairman information policy subcommittee, by the way , but it is a self-regulating organization, worse, better, you can criticize it, but it exists, and well , there is a certain need for such and such tools for the state during martial law, but there is an editorial policy of each channel, where, who enters there, it doesn't dictate, i don't know who allocates the money, he dictates who for... to invite or not to invite, of course, that there is always a preference for speakers from officials, from officials , i think that you too, for example interested in having on the channel a speaker or air force or representatives of other military forces or representatives of the ministry who explain something and people's deputies, as we are doing now,

regarding the return of journalists, it will definitely be a certain organizational challenge, and... . it will be about a challenge for the media community, i will allow myself to say this as a journalist in the past and a person who graduated from the institute of journalism, because there will be a limited number of these places, and not because there is some , again, in the number of shelters, and at the same time there on this floor where the press center can be from 20 to 30 journalists at most, obviously it must be... some kind of rotating basis, but i think you will never guess how many were accredited media in well up to 20 there covid until february 24 , 2022, just a guess, as they say, how many accredited journalists were there? oh, there were several hundreds, at least, it was very, very many, maybe there were more than a thousand, even a thousand, 4 thousand, four, that

is known, that is, it is an absolutely unhealthy, dysfunctional situation, when they went there absolutely. just provocateurs, besides, more than that, what else and, well, now there will be this check, it didn’t happen then, now the sbu will do the check, i think the check is based on the principle of how military accreditation is done, that is, if, for example, a person already has accreditation from the ministry of defense, yes from the armed forces, then obviously these checks do not need to be done, but in general, yes, the government quarter is an increased danger for journalists, on the one hand, but also the territory that... there is definitely a certain access regime , so it will obviously be a rotational base, but still we need to let them accredit 100, let it be 150, there are already more than 150 media, it seems that they have submitted applications to the apparatus of the verkhovna rada, by the way, hurry up, because you see how quickly the places are filled, well , the community, including it, has to decide, and

just this is about parliamentary journalism, so people who work and understand ... legislation, who conduct these topics, who write about these topics constantly, so it should be such cooperation of the apparatus and the community. and regarding ratings and indexes, for example, they are not very good in our country indicators, as for the indices of democracy, you can take any economist out there, for example, the democracy index, you can take other organizations that monitor it all. and very often in these already expanded breakdowns, why yes, very low are precisely the figures for the evaluation of parliamentary democracy, that is , how the parliament functions, how functional, powerful, do you also have the feeling that this is your convocation, the parliament is the weakest, perhaps the least

controlling what happens in the government, deputies do not have the opportunity, for example, to move freely or go abroad or speak freely, these restrictions are actually very important, for all restrictions are related to martial law. and these restrictions apply to officials, officials in general, those who have a representative function from the state, and i have many, stop, deputies do not have a representative function from the state, they have a representative function from the voters, the people are generally very artificial , i would just, well , this is populism, the people is your subjective opinion opinion, but these are the people of ukraine, these are the voters , the people. of the ukrainian people, so these are not voters of some other country, they are specifically from the ukrainian people, the voters of another deputy can absolutely be, you can

not interrupt me within the framework of freedom of speech, please, i have never been abroad, not on a business trip, yes, that is, all my trips are related to some specific ones, whether it is the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, whether it is the osce, whether it is a trip of a friendship group, that is, they are somehow explained, not just. to go abroad, but i agree that there should be, well, parliamentarians have the maximum possibility of tools to communicate in ukraine, abroad, in the media and so on. what can be said about the fact that this is some weakest convocation? no, in fact, if you analyze and so honestly analyze, and it was done already from the point of view of reforms, then our convocation made the largest number of large-scale reforms, this includes land reform, these are some smaller things, but which simply did not exist, well, they cannot be was imagined in the previous ones. convocation as legalization medical cannabis, this is a huge number of european integration laws, if the verkhovna rada did not work constantly in a permanent mode from february 24, 2022, we would not see any

negotiations, no membership in the european union in the future, and this work is just beginning, here we we are now waiting for the opening of negotiations, a negotiating group will be formed, a representative of the parliament will be there in a high position, now there will be a decree with a list of draft laws, then there will be the ukraine facility plan. com bills, americans will come with their list of bills, and without the verkhovna rada none of this will happen, there will be no budget, no salaries, nothing, and of course there are certain conditions, before that they were in covid, so certain restrictions, then there are restrictions due to martial law, but the verkhovna rada the council is very capable of working, and the number that we accept as the number of session days per month is more than it was before... february 4, well, as for the indices of democracy, not democracy, it is clear that the military one is not unattainable state of elections, and elections are one of those

criteria, of course, which affect all these indices, but this is again not our fault, but due to objective circumstances, thank you, i just have to say here as a disclaimer that in fact all journalists, independent media, they are very interested in that we have a strong parliamentary diplomacy diplomacy. including, by the way, democracy, both in a strong parliament and in parliamentarism, so here the media, independent media, are definitely allies of ukrainian parliamentarism, and i absolutely do not want to say here that we do not have efficient parliament, i'm just saying that this parliament looks the least at the moment, but these are usually debatable things, but we'll continue, i think, we just don't have time for this discussion anymore. thank you, ms. yevheniya, yevheniya kravchuk was with us, people's deputy of ukraine, and we are going to take a short break now, we are going to take a break, we still have an hour to go, stay with us. gasoline

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two more were injured. the russians hit the ammunition with explosives.