er, the white house adviser says that so far they do not see that china is ready to support the ukrainian peace formula and participate in the peace summit in switzerland. kirbyk says we would welcome the participation of china or any other country that would like to join, that takes into account and respects president zelenskyi's 10-point plan. but i would be wrong to say that we do see china moving in this direction. we have not seen this. uh, how much do you think, mr. oleg, is china's participation, even if china, conditionally speaking, will once again promote its own there 12 points that they formulated back in february of the 23rd year, and they believed that this is some kind of their peace initiative, if, if they will not even promote this position, as far as the very presence of a representative of china at this global peace summit, which will be held on 16 -th june 18 in switzerland, to what extent it

will add to the status of this forum, and whether it is said that the presence of china will in a certain way give a signal there to the countries of the global south, on which beijing traditionally has influence. well, that will be it, this intrigue will last until the end moment, but it was typical for china to still be present at this forum, not at the highest level. because we have already heard that china is making its own anti-maidan, china wants to make its own forum with the participation of all parties, where russia will be there, and for some reason ukraine will be there, maybe medvedchuk will represent ukraine, because the best relations with china were during yanukovych's presidency , yanukovych spent three days there and the most contracts were signed, this indicates what kind of politics and politicians are interesting to china and... with whom china would be ready

to be friends, so here we should have no doubt that china will be a supporter to the last that the countries to which it goes, this conditional axis of evil, there is russia, china, north korea, iran, and those autocratic, not even just cars , and dictator countries, well, at the level of terrorist countries, so that they set the tone in the world, china will try to do as much as possible. in order for the current world order, which is dominated by the united states, the european union, for this order to change, but in china it is also very characteristic, never burn bridges, china, xi jinping will now make a tour, he generally, china believes that in general there is china and the united states in the world, well, they remember, xi jinping said that the world is enough for two countries, for two, for three , russia already has no place there, and that's why... china

wants to revive relations one way or another, for it even the european union is a kind of vassal of the united states, and they meet with france, because france has certain anti-american sentiments there, it has china wants such a special position, which is a plus macron was there in china, they met there for three days, economic, china is simply looking for options where it can influence events in the world with... much more seriously, and that is why he is building these relations, but i repeat, it is very natural for china not to be on the side of ukraine, not to wish for the victory of ukraine, because the victory of ukraine is the victory of the western world, it is the victory of nato, it is the victory of the united states, and china would like the united states, and nato, and the europeans to be defeated . mr. oleg, you are like a person who knew me very well... how this works

the kremiv machine and how it actually coexists there, this machine, in which there are many operators or people who believe that they are leading russia forward. what can you say about the information of the american institute for the study of war, which believes that putin can punish shuigu for not fulfilling the kremlin's military goals, and this is the conclusion drawn by experts from the meeting of the president of the russian federation with the governor of the... region, oleksiy dyumin, associated with the wagner pmc . according to analysts, this may indicate putin's desire to reduce shaiga's power and balance it with competitors. well, we know that just a few days ago the deputy minister of defense of the russian federation timur ivanov was detained on suspicion of receiving a bribe, part six of article 290 of the criminal code, and timur ivanov is generally a billionaire there. in

russia, who obviously worked in the interests, including sheigu. how important is shaigu in the current configuration for putin, and can we hope that... these showdowns between different towers of the kremlin can lead to that the power in russia is weakening, and accordingly it will give some chance to ukraine during the war. well, it's more difficult to say about the chance during the war, but about the inevitability of such moves, uh, i'm sure of that? well, first of all, formally, russia has a constitution, after. when the next term of the re-elected president comes, the entire government formally submits a request for resignation to this president, that is, the entire government will resign, it should be noted that dyumin is a person who for a long time was the main,

personal bodyguard of putin, then he fell out of favor, then he was sent to the governorship, but when they analyze the situation with ivanov, then... they say that in fact the union of shoigu and ivanov really created a shell famine for the wagner group, i don't know if putin knew about it or not putin knew about it, but active opposition from various interested parties had long been formed against it, and according to one of the versions of western analysts, putin realized that he was actually beautiful. who was his loyal associate there for a long time, prigozhin was simply provoked by not being allowed to weapons, and prigozhin decided that this was happening with the blessing of putin, and putin allegedly did not know, no matter what, the option of replacing

shoigu, because soigu, soigu, shoigu, except for personal devotion and vacations there far away in the far north , i don’t know what makes him different there, but... the character of shoigu already causes such an allergy in many politicians to the influence of business groups, including the military, so it could be quite natural for putin to reboot this system a little, and most importantly, what he has is extraordinary convenient situation, the government, including shoigu, is forced by the constitution to resign. and of course, mr. oleg, here... many experts, many specialists, internationalists, including, are trying to understand putin's logic, and what he is doing now and why he is doing it, we understand that he wants to destroy the ukrainian state, he wants to destroy ukrainians, but the director of national intelligence

of the united states of america, avril gaines , believes that the tactics of the russian dictator are to convince ukraine that continuation of the war will only increase the damage to the country. according to your observations, at the current stage, what putin is trying to do, that is, to force us to sit down at the table of changes on unfavorable terms for us and fix this demarcation line on the occupied territories of ukraine, the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine, and create a frozen conflict by option there korean, that is, north... and south korea, will he still go further and try to achieve much more than we can imagine. well, after he won the elections so convincingly in quotation marks,

it was clear that he was beginning to lose his temper, as they say, yes, he was just radiating enthusiasm against the background of the fact that ukraine could not get it for six months. e-e package of financial assistance of the united states. i think that putin's plans did not include this decision of the congress. i think that putin planned his activities and this company for the summer and fall, based on the fact that ukraine will be on this projectile famine, and that he has some kind of agreement there with trump, that the republican party of trump never will vote for this package. it is obvious that these plans collapsed, it is also obvious that it did not work and... and the purpose of the campaign is to convince the world that it is not worth helping ukraine, because it will always lose, and that is why we said to you that the campaign was planned, this is ipso, and in order to demoralize ukrainians, to show that everything is lost, to convince

the west that ukraine should not be helped, there is a lot of vector campaign, and this company, what to talk about the illegitimacy of ukrainian, whatever, to convince ukrainians of that , that in principles... it's easier for you to give what we want now, because we 'll take everything from you anyway, but we see that this campaign is causing serious problems for putin, macron's initiatives and that we... with you today they talked about the behavior of the leaders of key european states, the provision of weapons to us, among other things, which i mentioned, because i spoke many times about the fact that even at the time when it seemed to us that ukraine would not receive help, it turns out we got over 100 attacks somewhere in january, february, and this is just now received information, it is clear that there is a baltic diplomat, she very correctly said that not everything needs to be talked about, we... should have much more weapons than it will be known about, so putin has enough

from his point of view, well, such a well-thought-out campaign is now falling apart, it is difficult to talk about the fact that there will be a breakthrough along the entire front line, but it is important to pay attention to what macron and some other european leaders say, that in this case they are ready to send their ... the army should think about the fact that we have a law, i don't i understand why he does not have a board that allows foreign troops to be present on the territory of ukraine. i know that every time there were nato exercises, the verkhovna rada voted on such a law that units could be located on the territory of ukraine, but now we do not have exercises, we are now in a life- or-death war, so we also need this initiative foresee and work to ensure that there is at least a union and an increasing number of members of this union of those countries that... understand and are ready , including, to use their own armed forces

in order to prevent the occupation of the whole of ukraine by putin and the withdrawal of russian troops to the territory of the european union. thank you, mr. olezh, for the conversation, it was oleg hrybachuk, former vice prime minister of ukraine for european integration and former head of yushchenko's presidential office. friends, we are working. for those who are watching us live there now, please take part in our poll, we are asking you today whether artificial intelligence is needed in government communications, yes, no, please vote the corresponding button, or write your comment under this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think that artificial intelligence is needed in government communications, 0800... 211 381 no 0800 211 382 and all

calls to these numbers are free, please vote. next , yevhen magda, the executive director of the institute of world politics, will join our broadcast in just a minute, we are now setting up a connection with mr. yevhen, we will talk with him about who and how. why now circulates the topic of possible negotiations between ukraine and russia, as there have been several statements over the past few days from ukrainian officials, from the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine dmytro kuleb and kuleba and the representative of the main intelligence department, major general vadym skibitsky, the latter, in particular, gave an interview to the economist to the british newspaper and stated that he does not see the possibility for ukraine to win the war only on the battlefield. however , we believe meaningful negotiations between kyiv and moscow are possible no earlier than the second half of the year

next year. skibitsky believes that even if ukraine could push russian forces back to the borders, it would not end the war. according to him, such wars can only end with treaties, and currently both sides are fighting for the most favorable position before potential negotiations. well , representative gurk says: that such negotiations between ukraine and russia are possible in the second half of 2025, by that time, according to him, russia will face serious headwinds . headwinds, it is difficult to say, but obviously we are talking about the difficult situation that will be in the russian federation, starting from 2025, when uh... the russians will spend a lot of money on weapons and on the production of tanks,

drones, missiles, and they simply lack of money russian dictator putin is spending record sums to militarize the country out of a paranoid fear that the west wants to limit the influence of the russian federation. this was stated by the director of national intelligence of the united states of america, euryl gaines, under the time of hearings in the sploche congress. of the united states, let's hear what she said. a certain paranoia is associated with this. putin continues to believe that russia is under threat, and almost...certainly assumes that his larger and better-equipped military will convey this sentiment to western and domestic audiences. he continues to view nato expansion and western support for ukraine as reinforcing his long-held belief that the united states and europe are seeking to limit russia's power. well, regarding

putin's paranoid moods, i think evril gaines is exaggerating a bit, because we we are... dealing with a syrian murderous maniac and whether he has paranoia or not, but we have to record that he is a syrian murderer, that a person who kills tens of thousands of people in ukraine, who destroys cities, villages and seeks to destroy ukraine, it is rather a manic syndrome in putin, he is a ukrainophobe, and he does everything so that... we do not exist, therefore, taking this into account, he conducts the militarization of his country, boris pistorius, the minister of defense of germany, says that during for the last few months we have been watching him say that russian the federation begins to produce more weapons , more than is needed now for the war with ukraine, they are storing these weapons somewhere in

siberia or behind the urals or in front of the urals, well there somewhere further, and... they are trying to replenish all their stocks, which were exhausted during two years of the great war against ukraine. russia did not expect that they would have to decontain old tanks that were still in use during the second world war and bring them to europe, that is, from siberia or the far east, and use them in combat actions in ukraine. therefore, now putin is actively trying to make up for this story. and do your best to provide yourself with the appropriate weapons, and we have yevgeny magda, the executive director of the institute of educational policy, on the phone, mr. yevgeny, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, congratulations, mr. serhiy, kind evening, good evening, we have some problems with the sound, is everything ok,

no, it's my problem, we're fine, mr. yevgeny, we already started talking about these few statements that... have been heard over the last few days from the mouths of ukrainian officials, in particular the minister of defense, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine dmytro kuleba and the representative of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense vadym skibitsky, who say that peace negotiations with russia are possible, skibitsky says that it is not before the second half of the 25th year, how do you feel about these talks about some peace talks, how far are they... are they predictable, how far can they be there in the 25th year, and do these peace talks require certain prerequisites and with the participation of our international partners? one must be a professional scout in order to predict on may 24th what will happen in the second half

of the 25th, i do not have such opportunities, so i will say this: i understand that in the world there is a request for peace between russia and ukraine. it exists in various circles of the western establishment, it exists in the arab world. it obviously exists in china because the russian-ukrainian war has become the biggest war in the world since 1945, and accordingly there is a demand that it end as soon as possible. but i understand why is dmytro kuleba talking about possible negotiations, because this is an incentive to gather people at the summit, which will be held in switzerland in mid-june, it is also obvious, accordingly, to say that there will be negotiations, and they are literally just around the corner

will begin, you are now showing footage of the negotiations in istanbul back in march. last year, i think it will be a big exaggeration that the whole world is ready for these negotiations, for these negotiations, russia is primarily unprepared, which, i am sure, will be after the inauguration of putin after 7 may and after the inauguration itself, she will be , well, before this summit until the middle of june, she will try to improve her position at the front. it will try to occupy new ukrainian territories, in my opinion, this is an absolutely obvious and understandable scenario at the moment, we have to... counteract this through not only diplomatic maneuvers, we have to counteract this through the consolidation of ukrainian society. we have noticeable problems with demonstrating

the consolidation and stability of ukrainian society. and that's why we have to do everything for to show the world that ukraine, even after 800 days of a large-scale invasion, even suffered. gigantic losses of infrastructure, energy, very significant human losses, it continues to preserve itself as a state, it continues to function normally and will continue to function normally, this is our main goal at the moment, negotiations cannot be carried out solely through statements, we must create the prerequisites for that , so that, if we want... for volodymyr zelenskyi's peace formula to be actually effective, we have to do everything so that it works and

is understandable to our citizens. i am not sure, i am not sure, that at least half of our citizens know these 10 points. well, here the question is not that our citizens know, the main thing is that our partners probably also know and understand. i do not agree with you, because we either say, there is nothing about ukraine without ukraine, and then we have, you understand, i think you will agree with me on this, after the revolution of dignity , the citizens of ukraine have the right to understand and know what they happen and in which way, well, you see that they are generating avatars and trying to communicate with society with... thanks to artificial intelligence, well, that is, if the authorities, excuse me, do not have enough townspeople, then they are already trying to use artificial intelligence, and then, i

it seems that without urbanites, artificial intelligence is also poorly used in principle, well, how do you feel about what is in the government, you understand communications very well, how the government communicates with society, what the ministry of foreign affairs did, recently launched this chi avatar, well, that is... how appropriate is it at all in the current conditions? i joked on this topic that there is an artificial chief of staff of the verkhovna rada, who has already been accused by the european parliament of managing the work of the parliament, and this is probably the only effective, artificial intelligence without appendages that exists in the ukrainian government, effective from the point of view authorities, i don't quite understand, well, i do, as far as i can understand and... with artificial intelligence, it was connected with the fact that it was necessary to end the scandal surrounding the limitation of consular services for male citizens of ukraine aged

18 to 60, but if they asked me about spin doctoring, i would still give other advice, for example, the idea of ​​10 ambassadors who should be in africa, where are they? it can be played for a very long time. the next thing is to talk about the opening of new consulates in europe, because millions of our citizens are in europe, and they have problems with consular service, including women who are not on military registration. next, the search for new partners and new forms, building construction new checkpoints at the border. well, there is actually. problems on which information can be played, you just need to have political will and have political opportunities, and not to lock all opportunities in one well-known

address in kyiv. the problem is that when you are playing in the sandbox and you are going to scoop up all the sand, then sorry, there is a very high probability that you will scoop up dog poo along with the sand, sorry. it's okay, i hope that our viewers, tv viewers calmly accept such analogies, even mr. yevgeny, one piece of information that mr. skibitsky voiced in an interview for zeeconomist, which in the end did not turn out to be not an interview, but a solid text that russia has a plan to destabilize ukraine, which contains three factors of military, disinformation and international isolation, when, well, we are talking about the fact that... russia will destabilize or try to create international isolation for ukraine, what can

ukraine oppose to this? ukraine should counter this with joint actions with our partners. i will guide you a simple example. we only recently ended the crisis in relations with poland, because polish farmers finally unblocked the border. i watched it carefully. in a few months , anything happened, but there was no joint polish-ukrainian action in poland in order to... explain what is happening to our polish partners, similarly, we had to hold an action in romania, because we are delighted that romania is building the autobahn to ukraine, this autobahn was built only during the time of ceausescu, it's just that no one in ukraine knows about it, but in why, it's our problem in general, we don't know much about our neighbors, i'll say more, we know practically nothing about our neighbors, and accordingly we have a lot of gaps. in which

russia skilfully plays, because russia has the ability to do so, today i happened to read on one of the telegram channels of a russian mardadel that there is an institute, private, as it were, but with such, you know, intelligence support, intensive intelligence, which is engaged in the study of culture and of sports in the post-soviet space, do you think, for why do they do it, just like that, they have their own athletes? missing or what? no, these are all elements of soft power that work effectively, that can help deliver results, and accordingly, it creates serious problems for us today if we don't come up with our own ideas to dismantle russia, if we don't talk about , that we need to create our own... narrative

of the baltic-black sea region with the countries of this region, if we do not say that we are waging a war for independence, and this is an anti-colonial war, we will not reach a very many, and then, the meeting planned for june, it will just be a pleasant time spent in switzerland, but will not achieve the necessary result there. thank you sir. thank you for the conversation, it was yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics. friends, i remind you that we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us on youtube. we continue the survey there and ask you about whether artificial intelligence is needed in government communications. yes, no, everything is quite simple in youtube, in tv broadcasts, we also conduct this survey. if you think artificial intelligence is needed in government communications 0800. 211 381

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britain is not opposed to ukraine using its weapons to attack russia, will this be a turning point in the war and in what kind of help western countries provide? we're talking about this on the bbc live from london, i'm evgenia shytlovska. during two years of full-scale war, western partners provided weapons to ukraine with one condition: not to use them for strikes on the territory of russia it was so until now. british foreign secretary david cameron actually lifted this taboo. he came to kyiv and declared that ukraine can defend itself with british weapons.