thank you for being with us today, congratulations, glad to be in this studio again. thank you, mr. oleg, let's start with david cameron, who yesterday visited kyiv and announced that his country had given ukraine permission to strike british weapons on russian territory, and also promised to continue annual military aid to ukraine. let's listen to what the head of the ministry of foreign affairs of velika said.

equipment where arriving in ukraine today while i am here. so, mr. olezh, does this mean that there is already a consensus among the western partners that their weapons will fly to the side russian federation? there are, but not with all western partners, but the number of such countries is growing, and these are not the last countries on the european continent. i'm just today. i read and watched several times the news that great britain generally proposes to sign a 100 -year, 100-year agreement with ukraine on cooperation in all important types of state activities, and this means that putin is receiving a very clear signal, and this signal is repeated by more and more influential countries , what 's wrong with you putin, ukraine is not yours and will not be yours and... therefore there are no chances for ukraine to win

there is simply no, because when the west gathers, there is simply not enough in russia, i saw in the news, you have a tape running there, that the russians cannot take now without it, when the entire west is connected to a single large ukrainian city, and they have not captured a single large ukrainian city, so talking about the country is simply a dream of a bunker dwarf, and the world speaks very clearly about this, mr. oleg, but you are talking about this hundred-year agreement, this agreement will be called the hundred-year partnership, or about the hundred-year partnership, as david said cameron, but we know that great britain was also a party to the budapest memorandum, there they were with, well, they were guarantors, and here the question is that if after 30 years they could not, or after 20 from 2000. 14

to bring to mind russia, which was also the guarantor of this budapest memorandum, where is the guarantee that great britain will be friends and help ukraine for the next 100 years? of course, there is more symbolism here, but symbolism that is important for ukraine, as, among other things, in the position of macron and france, i.e. these european countries are beginning to push back the horizon of the future, to plan the horizon of the future. ukraine definitely exists, well, it is obvious that you and i are not planning for 100 years, we cannot think one year, but when political initiatives appear in the world that want to model the possibility of partnership for many, many years, great britain is , it has a certain tradition there, already a monarchical tradition, and they have a foreign office, the ministry of foreign economy and external relations, this is not our mykhailivska there.

no one supervises them from the royal palace, there they are very independent, very experienced, based on centuries-old history, and such initiatives are important for us, and it is especially important for us that there is no question of ukraine being left out of the spotlight, it is obvious that putin is trying to somehow separate this alliance as much as possible , this union, he is trying to convince the world that why don't you waste all your energy, why do you need this ukraine. to conceive weapons if they cannot win the war, but such initiatives send a completely different signal that ukraine will also have weapons and will have allies, but one more thing, that moment you talked about, after the second world war, the west, well, he really imagined that the worst times were behind him, there would be no more war, there would be no more war on the european continent, as they say there figuratively, the west lived... on dividends after the victory in the second

world war, and then again after the victory in the cold war, but now a hard realization has come, and macron speaks about it frankly, domnu that europe, which seemed to be just will live endlessly and bathe in this peaceful world, she can to be destroyed, there is a real threat of military destruction like in ukraine, and therefore they came to the conclusion that it is better to stop russia in ukraine, and not try to give putin the opportunity to go further, and this is very felt, here is what he said. cameron, he is not the only one who says that some countries do not object to ukraine using their weapons on the territory of russia, because the newly appointed minister of foreign affairs of latvia, baiba braja, stated this in an interview with european pravda, she

said this such let's listen: but it already is countries that have already provided weapons to ukraine without similar restrictions? indeed? absolutely, of course. not everything is announced publicly, and it's even better not to say it out loud until a certain time, the main thing is the impact on the battlefield, because here there is a choice, whether to say something loudly, or just do the right thing? putin's press secretary, piskov, said that the kremlin is concerned and considers the latest statements by the french president and the head of the british foreign ministry regarding the possible presence of western troops in ukraine to be dangerous and inflaming tensions. weapons of britain by the territory of the russian federation, mr. oleg, what do you think, well, the kremlin is afraid that british missiles from stormshadow will fly or other countries will fly towards moscow,

towards other russian cities or military facilities that are near these bridge, do they still hope that due to the fact that they have nuclear weapons, they can... threaten and say that now the time of judgment has come, as medvedev said, and now we will strike at western capitals, but macron responded very clearly to this threat, he said that he has nuclear weapons and the most modern, much more effective than russia's, and not only that, france took the initiative to make such a nuclear umbrella for the whole of europe, if you remember that poland applied. to the united states with a proposal to place nuclear weapons on its territory, then we see that in response to this endless rattling of nuclear weapons, they are finally starting to say in the west that

nuclear weapons are a double-edged sword, i.e. it is sharpened on both sides, and if earlier it is was unheard of, now it is becoming a reality, because nuclear weapons in general. it was not invented in order to threaten and attack with it, it was used so that those countries that have nuclear weapons could defend themselves, that is , it is a weapon that is not for attack, but for defense, and putin first began to use it as a threat of attack , and he receives the appropriate reaction, because in reality there is little to be achieved with tactical nuclear strikes, what russia, for example, is doing to ukrainian towns like bakhmut or avdiyivka or some others, where they simply completely destroy the city, well, it’s the same as what happened there in hiroshima after nuclear weapons, that is, the destruction is the same, but when the west started talking about the fact, and it should have been done earlier, that nuclear weapons

not only in russia, in response to your question, are they afraid, i am sure they are, they are most afraid that the west will stop fearing them. mr. oleg, with... it is clear that in the current situation, when both macron is talking about nuclear weapons and putin is talking about nuclear weapons, everyone is waiting for what he will say about nuclear weapons weapons xijin pin, because xijin pin should come to paris to celebrate the 60th anniversary of diplomatic relations between china and france, and it will happen in may, but we see how macron, and how scholz and how blinken are trying to convince the chinese leader to support. civilization, the civilized world and ukraine, and the same kirby, the adviser of the white house says that so far they do not see that china is ready to support the ukrainian peace formula and participate in the peace summit in switzerland, kirby

says: "we would welcome the participation china or any other country that wanted to join which takes into account and respects the 10-point plan of president zelenskyi." but i would be wrong if i said that we really see china's movement in this direction, we have not seen such, eh, in your opinion, mr. oleg, ... china's participation, even if china, conditionally speaking, will again advance their 12 points there, which they formulated back in february of 23, and they believed that these were some of their peaceful initiatives, if, if they will not even advance this here is the position, as far as the very presence of the representative of china on this to the global peace summit, which will be held on june 16-17 in switzerland, to what extent it will add to the status of the forum and whether it is said that the presence of china will in a certain way give

a signal there to the countries of the global south, on which beijing traditionally has influence. well, that will be it, this intrigue will last until the last moment, but it was natural for china to still be present at this forum, not at the highest level, because we have already heard that china is making its anti-maidan. china wants to make its forum with the participation of all parties, where russia will be, and for some reason it will be there ukraine, maybe medvedchuk will represent ukraine, because the best relations with china were during the presidency of yanukovych, yanukovych spent three days there and the most contracts were signed, this indicates what kind of politics china is interested in and with whom china was ready would be friends, that's why we shouldn't be sad here. that china will be a supporter to the last

that the countries to which it goes are conventionally the axis of evil, there are russia, china, north korea, iran, these are autocratic, not even just, but dictatorial countries, well, at the level of terrorist countries, so that they set the tone in the world, china will try to do everything possible so that the current world order, which is dominated by the united states, the european union, so that... the order changes, but it is also very characteristic of china never burn bridges, china, xi jinping will now make a tour, he generally, china believes that in general there is china and the united states in the world, well, they remember, xi jinping said that the world is enough for two countries, for two, for three, russia is already there there is no place, and that's why china wants to revive relations one way or another, for it even the european union. it is a kind of vassal of the united states, and they

are meeting with france, because france has certain anti-american sentiments there, it has such a special position, and china also wants it, and plus macron was there in china, they met there for three days, economic contracts, china is simply looking for options where it can influence events in the world much more seriously, and that is why it is building these relations, but... it is very natural for china not to be on the side of ukraine, not to wish for the victory of ukraine, because the victory of ukraine is the victory of the western world, it is the victory of nato, it is the victory of the united states, and china would like the united states and nato and the europeans to be defeated. mr. oleg, you are like a person who knew very well how this kremlin machine functions and how it is actually there. this machine coexists with each other, in which many operators sit, or

people who believe that they are leading russia forward there. what can you say about the information of the american institute for the study of war, which believes that putin can punish shuigu for failing to fulfill the kremlin's military goals, and this is the conclusion drawn by experts from the meeting of the president of the russian federation with the governor of the tutsk region oleksiy dyumin, who is associated with the wagner pmc. according. this may indicate putin's desire to reduce shoigu's power and balance him with his competitors, and we know that just a few days ago the deputy minister of defense of the russian federation, timur ivanov, was detained on suspicion of receiving a bribe, part six of article 290 of the criminal code code, and in general, timur ivanov is a billionaire in russia, who obviously worked in the interests of including... including shaigu, how important shaigu is to putin in the current configuration, and can we hope

that these showdowns between different towers the kremlin may lead to the weakening of power in russia, and accordingly, it will give ukraine some chance during the war. well, with regard to the chance during the war, it is more difficult to say, but i am sure of the inevitability of such... steps, well, first of all, formally, russia has constitution, after the next term of the re-elected person comes. president, the entire government formally submits a resignation letter to that president, meaning the entire government will resign. it should be noted that dyumin is a person who was putin's main personal bodyguard for a long time, then he fell out of favor a little, then he was sent to the governorship, but when

the situation with ivanov is analyzed, they say that in fact, this is the shoigu's union and... ivanov really created a shell famine for the wagner group, i don't know if putin knew about it or not putin did not know about it, but active opposition from various interested parties had long been formed against it, and according to one of the versions of western analysts, putin realized that it was actually prigoshyn, who had been his loyal associate there for a long time. prigozhin was simply provoked by the fact that he was not given weapons, and prigozhin decided that this was happening with the blessing of putin, and putin allegedly did not know, no matter what, the option of replacing soygu, because soyga, soyga, soyga, except for personal loyalty there and vacations there far away in the far north, i don't know what

he is different there, but the character of shoigu already evokes such. allergic to many politicians, influential business groups , including the military, so it could be quite natural for putin to reboot this system a little, and the main thing is that he has an extremely convenient situation, the government, including shoigu, is forced by the constitution to submit retired well, of course, mr. oleg, there are many experts, many specialists, international... including those trying to understand putin's logic, and what he is, what he is doing now and why he is doing it does, we understand that he, well, seeks to destroy the ukrainian state, seeks to destroy ukrainians, but the director of national intelligence of the united states of america, avriel gaines, believes that the russian dictator's tactics are to convince ukraine that the continuation of the war will only increase

the damage to the country , according to your observations at... the current stage, what putin is trying to do, that is, to force us to sit down at the table of transitions on unfavorable terms for us and fix this demarcation line on the occupied territories of ukraine, temporarily the occupied territories of ukraine, and create such a frozen conflict there according to the korean version, that is, north and south korea, or will he still continue and... will try to achieve much more than we can imagine, well, after that, how he won the election so convincingly in quotation marks, it was clear that he started, as the perts say, yes, he just radiated enthusiasm against the background of the fact that ukraine could not

receive a package of financial assistance from the united states for six months, i think that... putin's plans are not included this decision of congress, i think that putin planned his activities and this campaign in the summer and fall based on the fact that ukraine will be on this projectile famine and that he has some kind of agreement there with trump, that trump's republican party will never vote for this package. it is obvious that these plans collapsed, it is also obvious that it did not work, and the purpose of the campaign is to convince the world that... that ukraine should not be helped, because it will lose everything, and that is why we said to you that it was planned campaign, this is ipso, and so that to demoralize ukrainians to show that everything is lost, to convince the west that ukraine should not be helped, there is a lot of vector campaign, and this campaign, what to say about the illegitimacy of ukrainian, whatever,

to convince ukrainians that, in principle, it is easier for you to give what we want, because we are all equal, you are all for it... but we see that now this campaign is causing serious problems for putin, macron's initiatives and what we talked about with you today about how to behave leaders of key european states, giving us weapons, by the way, i mentioned that, because i have spoken many times about the fact that even at the time when it seemed to us that ukraine would not receive help, it turns out that we received more than 100 attacks somewhere in january, in february, and only about that. now we have received information, it is clear that there is a baltic diplomat, she very correctly said that not everything needs to be talked about, we should have much more weapons than about... everything will be known, so putin has had enough from his point of view, well, such a well-thought-out campaign, it is now falling apart, talk about the fact that there will be a breakthrough

along the entire front line, it is difficult, but important, to pay attention to what macron and some other european leaders say, that in such a case they are ready to send their troops to ukraine, we must think about having a law, i do not i understand why he's upset. which allows foreign troops to be present on the territory of ukraine. i know that every time there were nato exercises, the verkhovna rada voted on such a law that units could be located on the territory of ukraine, but now we do not have exercises, we have a war for life or death, therefore we need to anticipate this initiative and work to ensure that at least there is a union and the number of members of this union increases with those countries that understand and are ready to involve their own. armed forces in order to prevent putin's occupation of all of ukraine and the withdrawal of russian troops to the territory

of the european union. thank you, mr. oleg, for the conversation, it was oleg hrybachuk, former deputy prime minister of ukraine for european integration and former head of the presidential yushchenko's office. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube and facebook, for those who... are watching us live there now, please take part in our survey, we are asking you today if you need artificial intelligence in government communications, yes, no, please vote with the appropriate button, or write your comment below this video, if you are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think artificial intelligence is needed in communications authorities 0800-211381, no 0800 2113. 82 and all calls to these numbers are free, vote, please, we have yevhen magda, executive director of the institute

of educational policy, on the phone, he will join our broadcast in just a minute, we are now setting up connection with mr. yevhen, let's talk with him about who and how, why is now pumping up the topic of possible negotiations between ukraine and russia, only there were several statements during the last few days, and from ukrainian officials, from the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine dmytro kuleb and kuleba and representative of the main intelligence department of major general vadym skibitskyi, the latter, in particular, gave an interview to the british newspaper the economist and stated that he does not see the possibility for ukraine to win the war only on the battlefield, but he does not consider meaningful negotiations between kyiv and moscow to be possible. .. before the second half of next year. skibitsky believes that even if ukraine could push russian forces back to the borders, it would not end the war.

according to him, such wars can only end with treaties, and currently both the parties fight for the most favorable position before potential negotiations. well, representative gurk says that such negotiations between ukraine and russia are possible in the second. half of 2025, by which time, he says, russia will face serious headwinds. well, what, what, what mr. skibitsky is talking about when he talks about headwinds, it is difficult to say, but it is obvious that he is talking about the difficult situation that will be in the russian federation, starting from 2025 , when the russians will spend a lot money for weapons and production. tanks, drones, missiles, and they will simply lack money. russian dictator putin is spending record sums to militarize

the country out of a paranoid fear that the west wants to limit the influence of the russian federation. this was stated by the director of national intelligence of the united states of america, avril gaines, during a hearing in the congress of the united states of america. let's hear what she said. a certain paranoia is associated with this. putin continues to believe that russia is under threat and almost certainly assumes that his greater and a better equipped army will bring this point to western and domestic audiences. he continues to view nato expansion and western support for ukraine as reinforcing his long-held belief that the united states and europe are seeking to limit russia's power. well, as far as putin being paranoid, i think avril gaines is exaggerating a bit because we 're dealing with a syrian homicidal maniac and...

whether he's paranoid or not, we have to establish that he's a syrian homicidal maniac, that a person who kills tens of thousands of people in ukraine, who destroys cities and villages and seeks to destroy ukraine, this is rather a manic syndrome in putin, he is a ukrainophobe and does everything to prevent us from existing, therefore , with this in mind, he carries out... the militarization of his country, boris pistorius, the minister of defense of germany, says that for the past few months we have been watching him say that the russian federation is beginning to produce more weapons, more than is needed now for the war with ukraine, these weapons are being stored somewhere in siberia or behind the urals or in front of the urals, well, somewhere further away, and trying to replenish all their own stocks that were exhausted within two

years. of the great war against ukraine, russia did not expect that they would have to deconserve old tanks that were still in use during the second world war and bring them to europe, meaning from siberia or the far east, and use them in combat operations in ukraine. therefore, putin is now actively trying to make up for this history and do his best to provide for himself. the appropriate weapon, and we have yevhen magda, the executive director of the institute of educational policy, mr. yevhen, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, congratulations, mr. sergey, good evening, good evening, we have some problems with the sound, is everything ok, no, it's my problem, we're fine, mr. yevgeny, we already started talking about these several statements that have come out in recent days from

the mouths of ukrainian officials, in particular the minister of defense, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine dmytro kuleba, and the representative of the main directorate of intelligence of the ministry of defense vadym skibitsky, who say that peace negotiations with russia are possible, skibitsky says that it's not before the second half of the 25th year, how do you feel about this talk of some kind of peace talks, how predictable are they, how far can they be there in the 25% year and are there certain prerequisites for these peace talks and with the participation of our international partners? i guess you have to be a professional scout in order to predict on may 24th what will happen in the second half of the 25th, i do not have such opportunities, so i will say this, i understand that there is a request in the world... for peace between

russia and ukraine, it exists in various circles of the western establishment, it exists in the arab world, it obviously exists in china, because the russo-ukrainian war has become the biggest war in the world since 1945, and accordingly there is a demand that it be ended as soon as possible ended, but i understand why dmytro kuleba is talking about... possible negotiations, because this is an incentive to gather people at the summit that will be held in switzerland in mid-june, it is also obvious, accordingly, to say that there will be, well there are negotiations and they are literally just around the corner will begin, you are now showing the footage of the negotiations in istanbul, back in march, last year, i think it will be a big

exaggeration, that directly... the whole world is ready for these negotiations, russia is not ready for these negotiations first of all, which, i am sure, will after the start of putin's inauguration, after may 7 and after the inauguration itself, it will, well, before this summit until mid- june, it will try to improve its position at the front, it will try to occupy new ones'. territory, in my opinion, it is absolutely obvious and understandable today's moment scenario. we must counter this through not only diplomatic maneuvers, we must counter this through the consolidation of ukrainian society. we have noticeable problems with demonstrating the consolidation and stability of ukrainian society. and that's why we have to do everything in

order... to show the world that ukraine is