groups and big tycoons, what do you say, this attempt that is now there, does this mean that all other channels are controlled in one way or another by zelenskyi's office, socially everything is not controlled, and this large pool of large tv channels is meant , which are in a single telethon, which have a single policy, and obviously there is one center that manages this single information policy. well, i wouldn't say that there is one center, in fact, long-term discussions about the creation of public television led to the fact that they tried to build it as such an institution, relatively speaking, a public one, which would not depend on the political conjuncture, and marina praina said that it is a fairly centralized structure, on the one hand, on the other hand, the public one is different. from

the majority of ukrainian channels, which are tied to the owner, that there is a slightly different structure of management and leadership, and this is one thing, and the second is that it is to some extent a joint project of ukrainian civil society and our western partners, er, it is this connection the connection is quite strong, and that's why it seems to me that the one who will now try to fight against the public, will be advised. at least until he is forced to adhere to pro-european rhetoric, of course, you can do as in georgia, turn in the other direction, but if ukraine, the ukrainian authorities will still declare a european choice, then i think that our partners will protect socially, if they the mechanisms that exist now will not be enough, they will add, so to speak, efforts, and we can see this on the example of even our closest neighbors. poles, when there were problems with

public, how the european union reacted, despite the fact that the poles did not have to prove that they needed to integrate into the eu, they are already members of the eu, so i am still optimistic about what is happening with the public, which in fact, of course, is blood they can drink a lot, but the result, i think, will be beneficial for society, i would like to draw attention to another thing, that bezugala is such a... option, well, now we have gotten to know american politics in more detail and we see there is such a character as medjari green, who acts as if from her name, but everyone knows her ties to trump and sees her as trump's mouthpiece to some extent, something that trump can't even afford to do publicly, she's voiced, and i think bezugla plays about the same role, well, sometimes. this leads to the fact that, you know,

now green made a good curtsey in the sense that she wanted, so to speak, to run over her opponents and proposed the slogan make ukraine great again, a good slogan, so sometimes, so a side effect can be useful, but of course she has such before herself she did not put such a wash, just like the bezugla itself, we see that the bezugla is such a tool... shifting public attention, that was the case with her campaign against zaluzhny at the time, er, i think it was used and in other campaigns of a similar nature, and now we see that the authorities, the authorities really need to somehow switch the public's attention, channel it to a certain one, we see the story with these consular offices. services, which caused a

lot of noise, and it was in the noise, it seems to me, that its main meaning was, and not in the fact that the law on mobilization began to work, the same thing is happening now with the public one, it is a way to switch attention, to cause such, you know, something similar to class hatred, now to the magazine, tomorrow it may be to some, i don’t know, individual factions in the parliaments s... that separate factions in the parliament exist, take people's money, book someone there and so on and so on, all this logic can be turned in any direction that will, well, appear to be useful, useful for the government, i think that it is necessary to treat its scapegoats exactly yes, this is an attempt to divert attention, of course, one should not give public opinion, offend, but treat... how, that this is some kind of

long-term strategy for the post-war period, well, we know when the post-war period will begin, i think , what are... tactics, and exactly how tactics should be treated with these scps. the chairman of the board of the national public television of ukraine, mykola chernotytskyi, stated that pressure on the public broadcaster is inadmissible. according to him, the public is ready for two options, either to remain in the telethon as the only news, or to expand broadcasting on the first channel. we either maintain parity conditions or a model where the public expands its broadcasting on the first channel. at the same time, i must understand that this is... legal, that it does not contradict the decrees of the president, the decisions of the national security council, we must have a guarantee that in the event of withdrawing from the marathon, we will not be accused of undermining national security and starting to speak our language channel, the media movement journalistic community

called for an end to the pressure on broadcasting as well, but in this whole configuration quite often the public is mentioned and compared with national telethon. serhiy leshchenko, an adviser to the head of the president's office, said that without the telethon in ukraine, there would be media chaos, and attempts to discredit it are part of russian propaganda. let's listen to what leshchenko said. the telethon was created for this purpose, to be a source of verified information, not fakes. and it is clear that one of the methods of russia's struggle against ukraine is to discredit sources of information that transmit verified information. information without fakes, without hype, actually speaking, that's why part of the russian information war against ukraine is being waged by discrediting the marathon, realizing that if there is no marathon, then the media house will be forced out, in the conditions of the media house it is extremely easier to create provocations that split society and

send ukraine to the forefront of russian aggression internally. so, ladies and gentlemen, leshchenko says that after the telethon there will be mediahouse, right? this means that before the war, when there were many tv channels, there was also a media house, but a structured media house, and now there will be a media house, which, as leshchenko believes is part of russian propaganda or part of the russian concept, olga, what do you say about this, you know, i would say the following, paraphrasing an expression that we quite often already... use a large soviet army against a small soviet army , so this is a big soviet, that is, russian propaganda against a small soviet propaganda, that is , a single marathon, let's

call things by their names, i understand that the first month, the same terrible march of the 22nd year, so in the background there were and the audience, no to say that these are grateful viewers, these are shocked, frightened viewers who were afraid to turn off the tv, because it was the only connection with the authorities, with what was happening around, and it was necessary to somehow make sense of all the terrible things that fell together with the great invasion, now we understand... that the further along, the greater the gulf grows between what the tv is saying and what people are talking about in the kitchens? my god, my god, in almost every family, if none of the relatives and friends are fighting, then there are friends, there are

acquaintances, there are sources of information, and the gap becomes obscene, he becomes so... like in soviet times, it's a bad story for us, because, well, we can't treat citizens like that, we, i'm talking about media people, yes, we can't behave with citizens in such a way that they say: "my god, that tv just lies, you won't learn the truth there, and you have to learn, one thing. grandma said, you have to learn from telegram channels, mostly anonymous, that is, its completely distorted, distorted reality comes out in us, and that means,

the audience again, and the audience, and the readers, they again learn to catch the truth between frames. between the lines, that is, for those who lived in soviet times, this is, you know, a skill that we already thought was lost a long time ago, it can return here, because if you want to know the truth, you have to to extract drops from there, from where to extract, well, it is practically impossible, and for me, you know, this is a question of whether it is possible, during the war, when talking... with society, to do without 100% of propaganda, without

propaganda , for me it is, forgive the open question, i don't have an answer to it, but if it's not possible, then what percentage of propaganda should be in that absolutely, uh, unpleasant picture of reality that the media have to... give people, so that they don't have a distorted idea of ​​what's going on, and is it possible at all to ask questions like that, but i am absolutely sure that glossing over reality, reassuring people, saying that, thank god, we are given weapons and money, and of course there are certain problematic ones. yankees are at the front, and there are such dramatic stories, but still,

in general, the positive prevails, so that we do not turned the mood of society in the direction when people will start to decide each one personally, and... and not only their fate, in principle , such processes will begin, such processes will begin, which will then be difficult to reformat in society, and the responsibility, the responsibility of the media in this , it is extremely large, that is, with propaganda at the state level, i... what needs to be finished. thank you. olga. marina, why do

you think that, in principle, the logical and correct action of creating a channel, a single channel, a large channel from a verified information, why after all, as a result, we are talking about the ineffectiveness of such a channel, that is, whether it was not, there was not such fully verified information, or whether, as ulya says, there is a lot. there was propaganda, too much propaganda, which did not give an idea, well, a complete picture and does not give a complete picture of what is happening in ukraine, whether this information policy, verification of this information, and propaganda are engaged in by people who, perhaps, are not too qualified. first of all, as among these people who work as editors, journalists. the presenter himself wants much better, and secondly, there is such a thing,

look, unfortunately, it is impossible to create a single, verified broadcaster in the conditions of the 21st century, when everyone has access to information in various forms, it is obvious that a single telethon, having received such a first success in 2022, it was necessary to develop, to invest in some really interesting ones. of history, and not reduce everything to such one-sided propaganda, because, for example, these words, the quote by serhii lishchenko, which you voiced, he just spoke in the framework of a single television marathon, and well this is absolutely shameful, considering that serhii ilyeshchenko was once a promising journalist. i can say a few words about this quote of his, about the fact that, oh, if we do not have a single television marathon, there will be... excuse me, please, just the other day we

spoke with tatyana nikolenko, she is a very famous ukrainian journalist, my a colleague on the censor website, and it so happened that they worked with serhii lishchenko for a long time, creating the ukrainian truth, and tetiana said a very important thing, unfortunately, serhiy leshchenko forgets one point is that in the early 2000s, during the times of leonid kuchma and medvedchuk, there were temniks. people did not look for the only verified information on the inter tv channel, they went to look for alternative sources of information, and in this way ukrainian truth received the first boost for its growth. and when we look at how alternative youtubes, alternative, online media are developing, then people went to look for information not on a single telethon, you know, i can say, on their own projects, but we are constantly looking at analytics, and there is a huge influx of several categories of the population, that is, relatively young

people who were not going to watch the television product that gives the only telethon, that is, this... people who go to the authors and watch the products that they consider necessary, and a huge influx of even pensioners. retired people have mastered elementary youtube, and they go to look for an alternative to the only television marathon, and this indicator is absolutely on all our friendly youtube channels, we asked colleagues who are engaged not only in politics, but also in historical channels, cultural channels, and everyone is just an explosion, a rush of people of completely different categories, because... everyone was simply fed up by a single television marathon, it doesn’t work, but the authorities are afraid to admit that a single television marathon did not justify itself, and that is why it arranges this shame, shame and hate towards the public. thank you, marina, oleksiych, if the current government asked you what to do with the national

telethon, you were a media consultant for several political groups and parties. if you were asked, here is oleksiy, what, what should we do? we have such a national telethon, there many tv channels, a big budget, but the effectiveness is there, how many 30% of ukrainian citizens or 40 watch the telethon, well, at least i have come across such statistics that what do they need to do in order for this tool to work, well, before answering your question, i - still i would like to follow the same method as when answering the question about the basics. i'm just curious about whom, as they say, in certain circles, leshchyn's loaf crumbles. he says that they are dissatisfied with the marathon, russia is dissatisfied, that russia is organizing actions against maraf. well, we know that the biggest the most recent critic of the telethon in recent times has been the

united states department of state. i don't think the united states state department, although there are different ones. kyiv, well, why is he so directly working in russia. the second point, if we say that we have a democratic country, we, the country, so to speak, are the vanguard of freedom in the fight against totalitarianism, we were told that there is no version of the darkmen, and that journalists adhere to certain standards, submissions information only by invitation my own soul, i have a question, in this case, why should they all be in the same marathon, that they understand it very well, give verified information, but they do not coordinate it with the presidential administration, do not verify it in the presidential administration in some shadowy way, they can safely publish their news,

working to the same standards they have been working to for the past two years. the third point, if mr. leshchenko says that the task of the marathon was to create verified information, then this marathon involves the public, which gives out verified information, it is obvious, at least in this case, there is no claim against him, not even from the side of ms. bezula, i have a question, maybe it was such an attack on ms. bezula that she... -e submission of verified information to the public, that is, if it is said that we have a media system, in the case of which a media house will come to us, then it seems to me that we now have a media house, because we do not understand what mr. leshchenko means, eh -eh, this is some kind of porridge, there is no logic in this, there is none, as

for my advice, which i have, except no one, of course... didn't ask you, but nevertheless, i worked, even before i consulted, i worked on the tv channel inter, which was mentioned, and i remember the story with the presidency of kuchma with the only information, then they also said that the main thing is not to rock the boat and give verified information, this was the main motive in creating this unified information policy, i then told the people who organized this unified information policy that it doesn't work like that. will and more precisely will work in the opposite way, because creating a single monolith that doesn't...differentiate on each channel, meaning there are multiple channels, but they all tell the same thing, like in the soviet union, results in it merging into one

channel for people, and one of many, because there are other channels, and now, thank god, we have various others, so to speak, even technological ones, there are social networks, there are, there are, youtube, there are, there are messengers and so on and so forth, and... it seems to me that people do not go there at all because they are bored, bored marathon, these are parallel processes, people master what, what, what they are interested in, what is more efficient, what is, gives a more, so to speak, attractive picture for them, a picture of the world, a way of presenting information and so on, there are also bubbles, of course, but nevertheless, it just so coincided that the disappointment in the marathon, if anyone had a fascination, also coincided with a change in habits, the habits of the audience, in these conditions, of course, the marathon is doomed , if in the near future,

we will not have changes in the direction of what has if there is pluralism for people, pluralism of choice first of all, then it will simply turn into another ut1 that existed in the past... so the question is, if someone wants to save the patient, then changes are needed, and if nothing is changed, then it will simply finish its life is quiet and invisible to the world, and here, against the background of what is happening around the public and statements about this media chaos, information appeared that journalists are returned to the council after journalists get access to... the verkhovna rada, they will work on a rotational basis through lack of places in shelters, said yaroslav yurchyshyn, the head of the committee on freedom of speech, representatives of zmi will also be

prohibited from conducting online broadcasts from the parliament. ola, you, as a long-time journalist, have been accredited in the verkhovna rada of ukraine for decades, how would you perceive this absence, a two-year absence from the parliament, and what it gave to the authorities. and what did it not add to journalists and society? well, actually , when i read it, the chief of staff, i think, told the council about it, the lack of a full-fledged bomb shelter, and you know, the first the opinion, really of a person who was accredited in the council for many years, i apologize, go down to minus one, where is the buffet, well, it is absolutely local, because... boskovishche is a classic with two exits, well, who cares about those people who in this i worked in this parliament as a journalist for many years, and forgive

me, i simply will not develop the topic of bomb shelters, because the communication transitions between the bodies of the council, they themselves were constructively planned at the time. like a bomb shelter, so, well, it's so, forgive me, bureaucratic the refusal that, well, it only causes a smile, because, where, where, in the council there is a place to hide, and you know, it’s a little bit, sounds defiant, because we really say how many times that there is a great need for... storage facilities for citizens , kyiv, compared to other cities, it is still in such a priority position, because we have a subway, in other

cities, in small towns, there is nothing there at all, which means, but in the premises of the council, where there is, well, actually a minus the first floor, where deputies can also be accommodated, seconds on the air, thank god that journalists are returning to council, in the conditions of martial law, it is simply necessary for the deputies to come to their senses and work, at least under the supervision of the press. thank you, olga musafirova, marina danylyuk, yarmalayeva, oleksiy mustafin, were guests of our program today, thank you ladies and gentlemen for participating in the program, during the program we asked you, friends, about this, whether we need an artificial... in government communications, let's see on the results of a television poll: 11% yes, 89% no, we

'll put an end to that, it was a program. i will say goodbye to you until monday at 20:00, i wish happy holidays to you, be healthy, take care of yourself and your relatives, goodbye, i'm olga lentsia, chronicles of the war, welcome to donetsk. hellish battles continue in the operational zone, in general, the battles along the entire front line are quite heavy, and while the situation does not improve, the rollback of the front on the donetsk sector also continues, in principle , we can say that the situation is now quite difficult for us, because the enemy is trying to take advantage of this such, you know, an opportunity

that was created for her... he lacks enough ammunition, lack a sufficient number of people, and in fact, as long as this absence will make itself felt, until then the enemy will practically advance, and in this situation, i remind you of our collection, which is very important, espresso and the public organization baza ua zprovid call for support for the collection on fpv drones, which actually have to compensate for this lack of shells and ammunition. collection for the 93rd kholodny yar brigade and the 72nd black zaporozhian brigade, which are constantly in the war zone without rest, our contributions will help to establish their own production, testing, variations for the needs of the defenders, we can do all this and provide it together by collecting 2 million hryvnias. we have already

collected most of it and let's go. well, let's finish and finally make this whole collection, so we really hope for you, look at the account number, you can go to monobank in private, everything will also be broadcast on youtube, you will see, please join in, any contribution is very important , well, now let's see what has been happening at the front for the last few days on the map of hostilities. map hostilities for the period april 24 - may 1. the loss of ochereteny created a threat for toretsk and konstantinovka. the russians are in a hurry to capture as much of donetsk as possible, while the armed forces are running out of ammunition and help is still on the way. the armed forces of ukraine found themselves under many times more pressure from manpower, artillery, and aviation, and that is why they have to retreat in those places where there is nothing and no one to hold on to. on the other

hand, even. having this advantage, the armed forces of the russian federation cannot develop a rapid mood. postavdiyiv front reaches new horizons. during the week , the russians managed to push through our defenses on almost all areas of this front. from the southern edge, they captured half of the small village of netaylove and created a threat to advance to karlivka and exit to the road leading to yasnobrodivka and umansky, where our defensive positions are located. in the area of ​​these villages, the front line did not change, and the assaults of the occupiers were insignificant. however, the situation here may worsen sharply, taking into account the events that took place in other areas of the district orlivky, berdychiv. along the entire length of the front, from orlivka to berdychi, the rebels crossed the durna river and captured the villages of semenivka and berdychi. the armed forces of ukraine restored the defensive line near novopokrovsky. taking into account the fact that the third assault brigade retreated from semenivka,

it becomes clear how difficult the operational situation was. however , the events around ocheretiny developed most dynamically, having occupied the dominant heights of the village, which until recently was the main defensive center on this part of the front, the russians continued their offensive in the north-western direction, to novooleksandrivka. part of the enemy troops continues to advance along the railway track in the direction of the village of progress. this tactic is connected with the fact that this territory is difficult to mine. on the other hand, the armed forces. of the russian federation is quite vulnerable to artillery, moving almost across open territory. however, the occupiers are expanding their flanks to protect themselves from a counterattack by the armed forces. in this way, they captured novobakhmutivka and solovyovy and began an attack on the village of sokil. on the left flank, the rashists managed to drive a wedge between the two brigades and to occupy the village of novokalynovy ceramics, our troops withdrew.