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vyacheslav, head of recruiting in the 47th separate mechanized brigade, is a special guest of the studio, and we will talk about this recruiting process. vyacheslav, i congratulate you, have a good day. and i know, and in general we see in society, how recruiting is gaining new momentum in recent months, when people become more motivated and choose this recruiting path and apply to recruiting centers, how this process takes place. in your brigade? yes, it is a very important event, actually, because it is a very important communication between the state and the civilians, in order to present and understand what the army really is, what the war is, what are our needs, what are the possibilities, in our case recruiting looks like we first look for our target audience, we we understand who exactly our person is, we are looking for that person to whom... we do not know what we

can offer, what are the criteria from our side, then we analyze the criteria of this person , ask what exactly he wants, what he needs, after analyzing it, after agreeing with the commander of the specific unit in which the candidate wants to enter, we are already directly engaged in support, support is at every stage, absolutely call, agree with the rtcc that our person will come, prepare a written consent, hand it over. our representative starts directly at rtcc support at the velka registration stage, when a person has registered at the training center, left, then this is already direct support, every week we call, ask how things are going, how is it going, is there anything interesting, is it possible for some time to learn some additional knowledge before that , so that a more competent person comes to his position, so we directly pick up personally from the training center, deliver to... to

the part, and there already begins life activities within the part. an equally important component, in fact, is moral and psychological support, quite a lot people, i'm sure, who... choose the recruiting path for themselves, they are motivated, but not always, maybe this motivation corresponds to constructive factors, how your fighters are trained, your military prepares candidates, how they communicate with them, well, it's in first of all , it is clear that people are not motivated when they do not understand where they are going and what they will do, and they all want to understand that their lives belong to them and that they will... be safe, that is, our task is to teach, provide, and well , moral support is the truth, this is reconciliation, this communication with the command, this is communication with directly with the team in the environment, with the unit, and i think in this process

, understanding, competence and confidence are born in how to move forward, talking about, let's say, positions, what requests in... do you currently have open ones, and what combat specialties does your brigade need in particular at the moment? frankly speaking, our priority is always the infantry, because we are a mechanized brigade, and the first priority was planned - the assaults, which we were engaged in, that is why the infantry is our priority, but we must to understand that we have a very large organization, and it is like a small country within our state, because for each attack aircraft you need... at least six people who ensure its vital activities, and these are lawyers, financiers, a cook, this is in the same number, if we talk about combat positions, then it is not only infantry, there is a machine gunner, a grenade launcher, a rifleman, this also includes fpv, because our uav company just recently grew to a battalion,

vacancies are open, by the way, and in that including, it's escort artillery, it's atgm, it's in that including repair and restoration, i.e.... the memory has the maximum number of positions, it seems to me, what are possible, and we need specialists for all of them, but just recently it became known that the 19th recruiting center of the ukrainian army was opened in ukraine, and during the conversation regarding the recording, we talked with you that you are now planning to open your first recruiting center in kyiv, is that correct, is it possible to somehow return through, for example, these recruiting centers. of the ukrainian army, in particular to get into your brigade? yes 100% is in fact, there are many ways, and we are currently working on recruiting centers, specifically from the ministry of defense, for example, they are very positive about the fact that we could bring our

representative and conduct some kind of interview with a person there, we have already practiced such the approach of a generally informal meeting in order to make the person as comfortable as possible. within some limits of common, common space, we are looking for some kind of coffee shop, we just walked around lviv with one of the candidates, and it is more relieving the psychological situation, when a person understands that he did not come to some kind of military, he is not afraid that he will be stolen now, he will receive really competent advice from a military serviceman with misleading experience, and therefore the recruiting center is not something that for... panacea, it as one of the communication tools, so that civilians have the opportunity to communicate in comfortable conditions for them and learn more information about the brigade, about the armed forces, in general. are there hypes, for example, for some positions, when

requests are already closed, but people still want the same person to get this particular specialty, others are not closed, how in this case you explain that, for example, no, well, we can’t, in fact it’s... like half of civilian life there are criteria according to which the candidate must pass an interview and get to that other position, but the same thing happens in our country, everyone is very crazy about the uav, because it is something new, it is very effective, it sounds good, it is cool, there are positions, come, but you need to learn, have some experience, because we have a very powerful mechanism, for example, when there are no free seats some we offer something alternative, related to what suits them, or we keep a person, there he is ready to wait there for a month or two, for example, because the positions are, they move, they change, somewhere they are released, someone is transferred, someone has tried himself here, he didn't like it, he wanted

to be transferred to some other division, and we actually facilitate that, that is, we also conduct internal analytics, and in most cases it turns out that people... are in those positions that are interesting to them. in society now they began to alarm us, because earlier, and now, recruiting caused trust and motivation among ukrainians. to go to the army, because people knew and were sure that they were choosing a brigade for themselves, they know that they will get into it one hundred percent to the position they want or to which they are directed, however, we are now seeing certain changes, because you can get into this or that brigade, to this or that position, only if it one hundred percent falls into the list of recommendations, that is, what i mean, there are cases when a person gets so called a letter of recommendation, but goes to the tsc and is rejected. after all, there is no one or another brigade in this list, because you need to close the requests somewhere else, what to do in such cases?

and this is quite, i think it's an obvious situation, it 's not a recent story like this, it really exists, and i think it's right, it's right, because there is a priority, a priority, how we must hold our front line, which brigades are we, which really effective, because our common war, our common task is to win this war after all. and therefore the command allocates, well assigns priority to those brigades that need people first of all, that is why, first of all, these are combat brigades, we must choose for ourselves the one that dominates more, this does not mean that if we signed up there, we are all going to war, then tomorrow we stormtrooper, no, as he says, as i said, for one stormtrooper, there are six or seven rear specialists of some kind who will provide for him. nevertheless , one must focus on the fact that it is unlikely

that it will be possible to say that i will go to help the country, i will go to serve and somewhere i will sit behind the cooks there under the border in poland, no, we now really have a priority on combat posts and therefore we are moving towards providing them, but this is a tool that has been tried and tested, it guarantees that if you turned to the brigade yourself, the brigade spent with you. cruting work, she gets you through the rtcc, you will definitely get into this brigade, you will definitely get into this position, and no one will steal you there on the way, this chaos that used to be, it is actually now neutralized, that is, there is a clear tool, like to choose a position that you like and to get to it, even though we see it different stories of people that it doesn't always work, but look, there is a directive, too few people know about it, and in fact. our executive apparatus is also not all, unfortunately, it knows this, there is

a directive from the general staff dated february 22, which obliges rtc and training centers to direct the selected person by recruiting to the exact part and to the exact position for which she applied already at on the condition that the part is in priority and for replenishment, and the second is that the person entered the rtcc alone with the relationship, in such a case. there is specifically an order which obligates, we have had cases when a person did not go according to plan, somewhere they forgot to submit, it is not known in what framework it is the rtcc or the educational center, they may not have been distributed, and the person went where he should not. we contact the general headquarters, we say: good afternoon, your directive, our situation, help, please, and every time a person was sent home to us, so to speak, whether it is possible to get into this or that particular one. brigade already after the person received the summons? yes, well, in most cases

, what is important to understand, i think, is the government now it helps much more than at the beginning, at the beginning we all did not understand how it would work and what we were supposed to do, so it was very chaotic, now they see that the situation is not easy and that we are such people who do not give up easily yes, yes, we need something specific. we need an understanding of how we will enter, where we will end up, and here is this specifics, this assistance from the authorities, it is right now, and that is why with adequate communication directly from the representatives of the rtcc there on the spot, and they contribute to ago, what they offer, what brigades in the assembly centers themselves and the assembly centers are recruiting centers when people come there or are brought. uh, they communicate, they get information on different brigades, different directions, uh, i personally spoke with

representatives of these recruiting internal uh centers, and well, it works, it works, or if we are talking about recruiting and mobilization, when a person receives a summons that actually, is there this advantage in recruiting, is it really a person who goes voluntarily, he more motivated, or is it? what is a stereotype the essence of motivation, i say, it increases a lot when a person understands what he can get, what his pains he can solve, what his tasks, problems... he can solve the question, because the army is not just about some shooting, it is actually a very interesting organism, where you can realize yourself as in civilian life in some profession, as well as in the army, and in the army, well , it is a different world psychologically, it is a different communication, internal, it is of higher quality, it is built up faster with people, really

there are many points that are very interesting, people don't know about it, and i think our problem is... precisely the lack of communication, explanation, and that's why we, for example, involve businesses for additional recruitment, first of all it's marketing, marketing , which identifies where our target audience is, who they are, what you are, what we want to tell them, what message, because we, for example, do not hire everyone, it is important for us that our people are convinced that we have personnel, he is motivated, he is trained to people who perform combat tasks, were sure. in the fellowships with which they go, and for that we need to find those people, that person who will meet our requirements, including, and whom we can interest and come to some position to arrange, marketing contributes to this, marketing is something that was not done in the army, as well as recruiting, so we think a good example of how today the military world is becoming more

modern from the business side, we really need it. in order for us to win the war not with a small soviet army, but with a large soviet one the army, already a modern technological, psychological, managerial approach, and it really works, a conscript who gets into the army, whether by summons or voluntarily, one way or another seeks to receive these guarantees, guarantees about conditionally that he will not violate his dignity, the fact that he will do the job. which he either wanted, or actually, well, he was given it, but it will all happen, well, in human conditions, in your opinion, are there any such violations in the army that the ukrainian army needs changes in general today, this is a very difficult question, a very difficult question in the sense that we have an army, it was not strong before the start

of the war, and we gain this experience, we develop, we are in... we learn, we all make mistakes, we learn from these mistakes, and accordingly we we are developing, there is a trend, of course, there may still be some, so to speak, army, saldophon, but what is important to understand is culture, values, they are changing, because we see that it is not effective, and especially an example of our brigade, it was created precisely on the basis of showing what is possible in the modern world win the war not only. old soviet methods, let's try something modern, a modern approach, psychological, technological, and that's what we're working on, talking about the values ​​of your brigade, what are they? well, first of all, the life of every soldier is important to us, that is why we provide maximum support, psychologically, materially, that is why we are developing as

an organism, very actively, and we can see it. i am in command in this, these are the principles, i think, of great motivation, dignity, values, and well , care and work, a lot of work on oneself, is also stories in the army, when, for example, they are transferred from another, from one specialty to another, for example, the same operators, drone operators or gunners get into attack aircraft, that is, how does this happen and is there any way to do it? i am glad that in the majority of cases, in fact, such cases are purely voluntary, and i personally do not know of such cases where a person did not want to go there, went to some cook and was sent to the attack aircraft tomorrow, i understand that such a thing can, in

principle, happen somewhere in army, i understand why, a critical situation has arisen, it is necessary to strengthen there infantry i can't answer whether this is an effective humane approach, but nevertheless, i know that we work more to find a person, study and put him in the position so that he is competent there, because if a person studied at drones, she did her job well, she worked there, we are a stankhotyn, he is an ineffective infantryman, so as our value is the life of our people, we do not do this, at the beginning... also mentioned that in general there is already a 19th the recruiting center of the ukrainian army, but they contain both units and in general several military groups, do you know what this number is? in general, divisions are independently engaged in recruiting centers, i will be honest, i did not conduct an analysis of the entire recruiting market, and i

analyzed here the most interesting teams that give results, and almost all of them have recruiting centers, i think this is very good , it's great, and i think that everyone should try to catch up, or at least, as i said, recruiters are... it's not so much a panacea to give this communication, you need to work on communication in principle, i.e. the recruitment center is only a tool for communicating with people and conveying information to them, therefore, speaking of this communication, according to sociological surveys, a large percentage are ready to join the armed forces of ukraine, but they are frightened by the uncertainty of where they will serve, this was also said. as i already mentioned about this guarantee, and will their profession in civilian life be taken into account? 100% and how to improve this process? 100%, it is precisely about the fact

that we communicate with a person and ask what she wants, who she was in civilian life, what are her strong skills, and according to her skills we select her candidacy, it cannot be that a person just wanted something for herself, but she does not meet the requirements, then we cannot hire her for such a position. so, accordingly, how to meet these skills is to train, prepare, be ready for work, directly, each person comes without evp, basic general military training, but we have a very powerful training center within ukraine, if you go to contract service, then this is a trip for border, it’s generally very cool, and with this bzvp, well... the candidate gets very strong skills, directly for which he already goes to a further position, he either undergoes an additional professional specialty, well

, he receives training, or he already comes directly to the unit and our instructors, our specialists teach there, accordingly, as i said, upon arrival in the unit, there is a reconciliation period, where we check what the person has learned with the team, we reconcile, and in the process we have trips to the training ground, training, and also ship to, if if someone wants to move on in his career, some courses are mandatory, and well, we promote development as much as possible. finally, i cannot help but mention the mobilization law, which was finally adopted and signed by the president recently, how do you assess it, will it really help mobilization? there are pluses and minuses in this, in general, i believe that the law has the right to life. only before this law, we still need to strengthen communication with the candidates and civilians, we still need to give them the opportunity

to choose options, i think that with how we will explain that the army is not scary when you are provided, when you are safe, when you are taken care of, when you have a powerful team, when it is actually our job. it is our task to defend our country now, and when we have young commanders who think modernly, when there are teams that have been volunteers since 2014 and there for the entire time of commanding small groups, there is not a single casualty, when people will know this, then i i think they will be more motivated, and the law on mobilization for them will not really be so much a factor determining whether they want to go or no, because it's a framework, it's a framework, just like in a contract. as in any work that we go to, that is why, the more, i believe, people will understand the very essence of military activity, the more they will be interested, because it is actually very, very

interesting and very necessary today. on that note, thank you very much for the conversation, i know that your recruiting team is growing, because there are many inquiries from the candidates themselves who want to join the 47th brigade, so... and thank you very much for your work and i hope that actually motivated people will join you people, i will remind you that we talked with vyacheslav, the head of recruiting of the 47th separate mechanized brigade, well, i thank our viewers and ask you to stay with us, thank you. thinking about a new mattress, but here's what's stopping you, have you wondered what you're sleeping on?

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