eh, let's say this, the versions that i like, which complement each other, that is, it is banal, banal, it looks like he , eh, these are the last steps, this is the sudden adoption of this bill, he made it deliberately from the submission of eh from moscow, his problem is that , now that there is no question whether it is true or not, i know what i am talking about, people in brussels and in washington are convinced of this, now people who, on the eve of... giving georgia a candidate for membership, it was recently, absolutely, i know them personally both in europe and actually in georgia, they are now circulating in brussels, who lobbied for the candidacy of this government for georgia, this is what the situation looks like, the second situation that binzino ivannishvili was led to this decision by political technology, again from moscow or by moscow political technologies, political technologies, when he made such a nervous decision, based on a thesis... now

there is iraklii kabakhidze, the prime minister, who is absolutely not independent in his theses , declares, declares from every iron, that the west, well, the west and so on, during the 20-23 -th in 2018, they tried to make two attempts at a revolution in georgia, well, it did not happen, it absolutely did not happen, if we talk about the logic of the protest and support it, then its problem is that there is no such help from abroad, but it may appear , no, therefore... technologically , russia is now very satisfied, because it feels quite comfortable in it, or the georgian government will resist, being absolutely toxic, there, i don’t know, i don’t like absolute analogies there with belarus or with someone, and will fix his power by putting already officially there is a barrier on the way to the eu to nato, under all these pseudo-analytical conversations about commitment to the global south, from the same opera, by the way, active contacts of the georgian authorities. the day before with china, with

hungary, orbeno, it is all one and the same line, it has been going on for quite a long time, not the last few months, on the other hand, if these processes in georgia continue to be chaotic, that is, in an unpredictable scenario, well, they, i i absolutely do not rule out any harsh actions there from the currently occupied territories of the tskhinvali region or abkhazia, and there will be analytical petrushkas here on the ground. who will tell us that it is not russia's fault, that it is not theirs, let's say this, the proxies in the form of the authorities in georgia are to blame, and those who went to the protest and did not foresee something there, that is why russia is now in its current strategy of promoting the project transcaucasia, even hanging on the ukrainian front, they feel absolutely normal. thank you, thank you, mr. volodymyr, volodymyr kovchak, the head of the south caucasian branch of the army research center, was with us from tbilisi and is with us now. evgeny manda, executive

director of the institute of world politics. congratulations, sir. mr. yevgeny, good evening. tell me, please, that we are now talking about the difficult situation at the front, we are talking in general about these forecasts from the main intelligence agency, yes, mr. skibitsky is voicing this, but in particular he is talking about the fact that the situation will be worse in the near future and... russia will use this so-called three-layer, relatively speaking, hybrid version of pressure on ukraine. in your opinion, what could it be and why would it happen now? in my opinion, mr. skibitsky obviously has more information than you and i, due to the specifics of his activity, but we also have to show that we have certain information.

therefore, i personally came to the conclusion that russia is realizing the kremlin spring in several directions, diverse, and i think that this spring will not end until june, because a meeting, er, well, a peace summit in switzerland is planned for the middle of june, before that time on the one hand switzerland, excuse me, russia will try to achieve... maximum success on the front, this corresponds accordingly with at the pace of providing ukraine with american, specifically american weapons, because they are currently, well, the most powerful among all types of weapons that are provided to us, but this is one point, the second point is an unconditional attempt to discredit the ukrainian political... leadership and

military leadership , for example, yesterday's, well, i would say, completely unrepentant fake about resignations. oleksandr syrskyi, this is one of the elements of such pressure, of course, that people who closely monitor the information field, they are in this nonsense i almost couldn't believe it, but there are people who use russian-language telegram channels, which are anonymous, who write about ukraine as a source of information for themselves, and they could do these things... believe me, i have repeated it more than once or twice, and i'm sorry, i have to repeat today that people who use russian-language anonymous telegram channels as a source of information are consuming informational crap, sorry, that's what it's called,

the next element can be done by mr. evgeniy, the ukrainian-language channel, you have to give it to him proper, you know, mr. vitaly, in 800 days they... did not like it, and i think that my personal assumptions are that the source of the activity of such channels is the so-called transnistrian moldavian republic. i won't reveal now what makes me draw these conclusions, but i think they will be confirmed at the moment when we have additional official information. on... the next element of kremlin spring 2024 is definitely an attempt to show that western aid is ineffective, in different ways, and at the moment, it's an exhibition of trophy

equipment in moscow, in the so-called victory museum, there's a lot of things there, including hitler's cap, i think i can... throw it in there or something, i don't know, mauser putin, well, that's what it is, but i believe that next week we will see the culmination of this spring in the form of an outbreak of victory frenzy against the background of the inauguration of putin as putin, this is due to the fact that the russian authorities have made it absolutely clear that... terror attack in a step, according to the russian leadership, it is ukrainian business, and they will absolutely powerfully broadcast it to russian citizens and to citizens of other countries, why? they will

broadcast it to the european union, to the states, in order for the next wave of aid to come. less effective, they spent more time on it and, in general, they did a lot more , let's say, complicated things, that is, they want to scale this merger taylor green, well, to put it simply, unfortunately, these elements also include the execution of ukrainian prisoners, which. .. and even international human rights organizations are already recording that frankly speaking, we are not pampered with an adequate approach quite often, for the simple reason that it happens so massively, unfortunately, and so undisguised that

it is impossible to go through everything, it is also an element of destabilization, and of course, discrediting the future peace summit , i have no expectations for him, but for russia, the possibility of dozens of countries, the leaders of dozens of countries, to gather and find a common language about how to defeat russia, how to put russia in its place, is obviously unacceptable synet in fact, today, by the way, russia declared zelenskyi and poroshenko wanted, mr. yevgeny, this is also included, conditionally... so to speak, this madness in the conditional destabilization plan that you are talking about, or in the conditional victory frenzy until may 9? i think that this is just a slightly different context, it is connected with

the involvement of ukraine, it is connected with the involvement of ukraine in... so that she, in fact, believes, the citizens of our country. and as many state leaders as possible believed that on may 20, zelensky's presidential mandate will end. it is not true. and i believe that in in ukraine, regardless of our political views, we must clearly state the fact that the powers of the ukrainian president will end when he takes office. the next ukrainian president, it is absolutely obvious, just like the fact

that holding presidential elections in conditions of war is currently impossible, and any wishes of our partners in this sense, they look quite, well, i would say, naive, because the american scenario we cannot transfer 1944 to ukraine, because... it did not happen in the united states occupied territories in contrast to ukraine. and tell me. yes, it cannot be related to the fact that russia also wants to delegitimize the peace summit in this way, at least for the countries of the global south. well, there will be some kind of meeting, but you are coming to a meeting with a person who is wanted by us, there will be no negotiations with this person. well, do you understand? this argument, it seems to me, can be for countries, a number of countries, perhaps

in the global south, which do not quite clearly formulate their own, own vision of the current situation. i don't think anyone from representatives, well, let's say, g20, even, with the exception of russia, it can somehow scare away. well, come on, let's be realistic, because everyone, er,... who understands the logic of international law, they understand that the warrant of the russian ministry of internal affairs, it is not worth the paper it was written on, it is absolutely clear, well, let's go a little different side, let's remember another circumstance, that the warrant of the international criminal court, which was issued against... putin and lviva bilova for the kidnapping of ukrainian children, he did not

completely stop communication with putin, right? and i i think that the international criminal court is a little more weighty than the russian ministry of internal affairs, well, in my personal system of values ​​and legal awareness. and i would very much like to hear from the west the position of the g7 countries, how they will... treat putin, how they will address him after may 7, mr. putin, president putin, self-proclaimed president putin, this is a very serious thing, because the re-election putin took office, including in the occupied ukrainian territories, in the largest area of ​​an occupied european country after 1945 year, and if... the world community is going to swallow it, then this is actually quite

a serious challenge to everything that will happen after may 7 in the international arena. and tell me, mr. yevgeny, what about this situation, with what you said, about this international warrant for putin's arrest and other things, as far as you think, this is now affecting the perception of the russian leadership. about all these pseudo-criminal actions, about ukrainian pickpockets? i think that the russian leadership, first of all, it leads, well, as it were we didn't want the opposite, but it deliberately takes the position that ukraine is a temporarily lost territory, and it doesn't matter who is the ukrainian president, we, in a mirror, should approach it somewhat differently. for us, the position should be slightly different. we must realize that

putin's physical stay in power is irrelevant. there is a collective putin. and it is formed. and the ideology of collective putin, the ideology of racism, it strongly resembles the ideology of nazism. it is a paradox when a country that is... a successor calls itself the rightful successor of the soviet union, as one of the winners of nazism, promotes the ideas of racism, which are copied from ... hitler's ideology, i don't know why maincamp is still not studied in schools in russia. one more question, we literally don't have much time left, it concerns the visits this week, we had both jens stoltenberg and mr. cameron,

the minister of foreign affairs of great britain in ukraine, these visits, do they mean something for our country? are they somewhat iconic, especially before this summit, or are they in principles do not carry any geopolitical load? no, they bear the burden, and not only in the fact that jen stoltenberg apologized for the ineffectiveness of nato aid and promised that it will be better in the future, well, he will not be in the future, literally from the fall... he will have to answer for it, because he finally sighs, pardon the word, the position of the secretary general of nato, and accordingly, will move further on his personal path, and the obvious secret general secretary will most likely be mark rut. i think this

shows that the west is serving russia a sufficiently clear political signal against... that ukraine is in the sphere of permanent, permanent attention, that the west does not leave ukraine alone with russia, no matter how much the latter would like to the contrary. it's an absolutely clear awareness, a clear signal, and i don't think we should doubt it. yes, stoltenberg made it clear to us that we will not receive an invitation to nato at the anniversary summit in washington, despite our expectations. i... did not dramatize it, i would still be inclined to the fact that ukraine should eventually start to back up its loud statements by demonstrating adequate positions within the state itself, i.e. by strengthening the government as closely as possible

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artis, good evening. let's start with the elections to the european parliament, in which you are participating now, once again , one might say. president of france. macron called on europe to come to its senses now, he said about the efforts of the right-wing forces, which can win the elections to the european parliament, there are many pro-russian politicians among the candidates, you also have, you know that mrs. tetiana zhdanok, who represented the republic of latvia in the european parliament for many years, was kidnapped in cooperation with the federal security service of the russian federation. you and i are not surprised, but the audience is now surprised, of course, what the responsible politicians should do to stop this. populist march match, you know, when you live in a democracy,

people can definitely choose their politicians taste and choice, in latvia, we also have quite a lot of citizens, ethnic russians by origin, and... russian special services, she had the right to run for any positions as well. ok, so when we... now we hope for new elections to the latvian parliament, there will be nine candidates for the european parliament from latvia, by the way. now there is no ms. zhdanok, and i would say that it is not at all

clear which candidates will come from my country. but i can say that the next european parliament, on the one hand, will be a crisis and military, and on the other hand. will be quite dispersed, and thirdly, it will be polarized, so we can be sure that there will also be many members in the european parliament who will sympathize with the kremlin, putin's russia, this is an established fact, it is not a question of whom the latvians like, a question of the so-called western europeans. because russian agents, let's say people from parties, from public

organizations, from mass media, have been working with moscow for a long time, there are such people all over europe and also in america. mr. artis, we are receiving information from latvia, from the latvian media, from latvian... officials that latvia is also preparing for a possible war with russia, a shelter is being built, relatively speaking, some fortifications are appearing near the border, in your opinion, is this real a threat, relatively speaking, within the next few years, for now, but i would lie. you, if i told you that there is no certain nervousness in certain parts of our latvian society, not only latvian, by the way, we see it in all

border countries, from finland to poland, and of course the baltic countries, but you have to understand, this is correct, we get science from history, we had it already in the 39th. and 40 years of occupation, we now have to do everything necessary in the event of some kind of war, even a hybrid one, even if, god forbid, something happens on our borders, we have to be 100% ready, and this is our role, because the best the way to fight back, let's say from... to throw any aggression, to discourage them from aggression is our power, and we hope that we will be strong, we will not let anyone break our

border, and that's why we're taking him... and in the worst case scenario, there won't be a war in his case, well, if there is, then we have to be ready, this week the minister of foreign affairs of latvia, mrs. baiba braje, was in our country, and she is the first from the west diplomats said that there is a possibility of using western weapons for strikes on the sovereign territory of russia, that's how it is. it is an unexpected fact that it was first heard from riga, and then from london. do you think this approach will change the situation with the war? well, you see, our current one mrs. minister, she recently became a minister, but

she has been in diplomacy for a long time, and we can see. already here, that ukrainians have every right to defend their country by all available means, and from this point of view, we are doing what we can to encourage and call on our western allies, from germany to the united states, to provide ukraine needs all weapon systems. and we do not see any reason for ukraine to refrain from any actions, from any rank, if your commanders, your leadership deem it necessary, because we we understand, at least this is our perception that you are competing for your existence, if so, then who are we to limit the ukrainian ability to defend itself, that is, it is your right.

ukrainian intelligence, british intelligence, basically, the western media, in recent months have been saying that there could be a new offensive around the end of may, the beginning of june, meaning a russian offensive, the way you assess whether there is one in you, perhaps information, whether you were the minister of defense of latvia in the 10th and 14th years and the last years, how do you assess this possibility, or is it realistic that russia will really go on a larger offensive? well, you see, i would say that you have to resort to common sense here, of course i can't share anything in terms of intelligence from latvian intelligence, but

certainly russia... sees that the ukrainians are not getting the necessary support from a number of western countries, at least in time , they know and we know that ukraine does not have enough shells, there is no ammunition, and there is a lot missing from what the western countries could or should provide, so there is a certain healing in this part, at the same time the russians know that... the elections in the usa are coming, very close, already on bryzka, may 9, the favorite holiday of the victory over germany, so they see it as an opportunity, a good opportunity to seize more, to put pressure on the ukrainians as much as possible, before it fully arrives, we also need...

help from the united states and allied countries. i say that in my opinion, the russian strategy is to push as much as possible, because the russians have always cared about people, about their own soldiers, they do not care about their own humanity, everything does not matter, they want to capture as much as they can front line, then hope that, for example , if, say, there is a new american president, or some public pressure in western europe, calling on ukraine to win against russia, then they will say that they are peaceful, good and bad, and they will be able to freeze the conflict, stabilize what they have gathered and stay on...