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greetings, good evening, i am myroslava barchuk, you are watching the program own names, it is a joint project of the ukrainian penclub and the tv channel. today we will talk about ivan and maria mykolaichuk, and about... the environment, their

film environment, which made poetic cinema, which lived in the 70s and 80s, what they lived, what they breathed, what they talked about, today let's ask my guest, this is valentina kovalska, singer, researcher of ukrainian songs, ukrainian cultural heritage, song heritage, soloist of the golden keys trio, and most importantly, she is a person who was part of this environment. lived and breathed together with this environment, mrs. valya, i greet you, good evening, good day, evening, therefore, therefore, about the environment, about this, this world, which we are only now beginning to discover and fully know, the world that made poetic cinema, let's talk about the mykolaichuk family, yes, we will start simply from the apartment, because... now i

remember the four-room apartment of the mykolaichuks, already the one on serafimovicha, now mykolaichuk on bereznyaki, i did not find the main apartment on zhylyanska, on zhylyanska street. what kind of apartment was it, who was going there, what did you talk about there and what did you eat, drink, discuss there in general, you have to to say that marichka and ivan got married in 1962, and they had nowhere to live, and ivan was already, was already a star, he had already starred in the film shadows of forgotten ancestors, in the film dream , but after their marriage... . lived in a dormitory, there is such a passage in the center on khreshchatyk, there was a huge apartment, somewhere with three rooms, and there was a dormitory of the choir named after verivka, and marichka and ivan slept there on a folding bed in the corridor, and this is because of the choir of verivka, because marichka was singing

in the choir, and ivan was there fell ill and the director of the film ivchenko came to him, yes, the director's son borys, yes... this is the director who will later shoot the missing certificate, is it his son, boris filmed it, or was it his father, he was ivann's teacher, so on the course, and he came, when he saw where ivan lives, how he is, where he sleeps in the corridor with marichka, then somehow it happened that ivan was given an apartment, nazhilyanskyi, a huge 20-meter room, alone, there and they 20, this, it was just a holiday for marichka, for ivan, but ivan was there... they didn't really line up, because, because he lived his whole course by himself, a lot of people immediately appeared on the doorstep, this is how ivanzhe studied, he was still in the second year of the theater institute, and there was boris brondukov, he was there with his wife kateryna, there was ivan

gavrylyuk with his wife myroslava, there was there are many more, maybe i’m not quite there, but osyka and his wife were too, that is, there was a... good company, marichka told that sometimes she and ivan had to sleep in the bathtub altogether, sleep in the bathtub, yes, but it was really the environment i got into was a completely different world for me, because i was in the choir nina matvienko and i learned the ropes in the studio with the choir, then we were accepted into the choir, and there in the choir we met marichka, and we had the environment of the ukrainian folk song, we were in it, we fell into that song, we they delved into her, because avdievskyi is incredible, a brilliant leader, conductor, both herself and our desire, you know, to know more and more, to sing more and more ukrainian songs, and nina and i

finished the studio, and marichka already worked in the choir, ugh, worked, but we knew that marichka had an incredible husband, ivan mykolaichuk, and that's how we wanted him... to see it that way, of course, we didn't really insist on marichka, but one day she invited us to her place, yes, in zhyliansk, so you come and who was there first, you remember it was boris brandukov, ivan was there, well, with his wife, ivan gavrylyuk was there, osyka, i remember exactly, was with his wife, well, maybe, well, of course, ivan mykolaichuk, as always marichka covered, she... and we sat there, you you know, i have never seen such free people, they were so beautiful, and so here

they had freedom in their soul, in their movements, in their conversation, in everything, they were unchained, and this was ivan mykolaychyk's environment, this was his, this was his science. that's because i remember how he was with him, i saw him in a railway overcoat, his father worked on the railway, and he was obviously given such a black overcoat, and ivan walked in that overcoat with the collar turned up, here of course that scarf is so, so beautifying and of course, he was walking, of course, but how come, they tied it around his neck, i remember that he is even in it a photo of him in a scarf on a scarf band. yes , he is on his neck yes, he is wearing a shirt sometimes behind the boys , some, yes, some boys started to walk the same way, ivan was simply incredible, handsome, and there at the table we sat modestly, looking at everyone, and then ivan says : girls, well, sing like that, well, you

know, i don't know if it's god's way or something, that nina sang in the sopranos in the choir , i was in the first altos, and marichka was in the second altos. with his incredible, deep, timbrally beautiful voice, and we sang for the first time in this house, for the first time they sang, and they knew one song...well, from beginning to end, all their parts, oh come on , the green one took the widow, the little flax, what a wonderful song it is, he heard it too, i know that he is not up to it, if someone in the company falsified, then he would have just hit that person, he is scary, he is terribly sensitive, first of all, because he was first of all a musician, so he graduated from this one, and the truth is the music school, but the conducting department, and here he heard you, that's how he told us heard, they were silent. somehow when we finished this song there was such silence, you know, there was, and in this silence

suddenly ivan says, well, girls, you are mine, and after that you started, after that we became his for sure, we became part, we became part of the family, already without us there nothing was spared, we came to our house, if marichka was gathering guests there, then we helped her, nina's husband, petro gonchar, had already started going there, and we sat at the table, ivan, ivan was, you know, eh -he, the master of everything, he did not eat, he only treated everyone at the table, yes, eat, eat, eat, eat, that’s how he was, you know, there was so much in him, you know, in terms of kindness and height, well, everyone asked me recently, well, ivan is a village boy, and what a village boy he is, he was... a village intellectual, an aristocrat, everything that what he

wore, everything somehow looked very aristocratic on him, such, you know, such a beautiful posture, his look, and his conversation, and his special vision of the world, all this made him very proud, ivan, but on the other hand, and maria mykolaichuk, for me it was, but i don't remember any. once, for me, my mother and i there were in their family and that they either did not have anyone living, or there were no people, or there were no children, nephews, grandchildren, brothers, cousins ​​and so on, that is, but this must also be everything, not every woman she would have endured it, yes, and marichka mykolaichuk accepted everything, first of all, she accepted the entire family of ivan mykolaichuk as her family, yes, and all his friends. and she accepted as one of her own and a permanent this and that whole huge company, that in the house and

in the classroom, she was also very hospitable, yes marichka is, well, this is separate, of course, it was this is, you know, the phenomenon of female devotion, i already said that marichka had two wings, one wing is a song, and the other wing is ivan mykolaich, his husband ivan, she threw a choir of ropes for him. yes, that’s how it was, but tell me, it’s true that she could fly from riga, she could fly from riga in order to, in order to, yes, in order to, in the morning, when we had a free day for on tour in reza, ugh, in latvia, we, marichka, get up in the morning, run, go to the airport and fly to kyiv, fly to kyiv for to cook borscht at home, with... wash everything, iron, kiss every shirt, it's true, she, she

kissed every shirt of ivan when she folded it, and in the evening returned back, back to riga, by plane, she could only do that marichka, and it happened more than once, you know, she could meet him, for example, in chernivtsi, come to the railway station. and meet him from the train when he didn't say anything to her and didn't tell her when he was coming. marichka felt everything. marichka was his, well, i don't know, she was a part of ivan, because everything with ivan, what ivan did in his life, he could not do without marichka. i remember how she told her dream about taras shevchenko, about the fact that she dreamed that someone knocked on the house... the house, she opens the door, taras grigoryovych is standing there, and she oh, taras grigoryovych, oh,

good , that you have come to us, come in, come in, and here she comes in, as if she is dreaming like this and shouts to ivan, ivan, taras grigoryovych has come to us, he is inviting, inviting, and she woke up, told ivan in the morning, ivan says, maria, well, you have a dream, and he left, left to dovzhenka's film studio, he comes back, it's evening and says, you... i was approved for the role of taras shevchenko, and he, by the way, is beautiful in this role, and i watched him, that is , how organic and how much, well, first of all. beautiful, i and one more fact that marichka, i apologize that marichka gave ivan two books, shadows of forgotten ancestors and taras shevchenko, and well kobzar and there it turned out that ivan starred in one film shadows of forgotten ancestors in the film dream, we we will definitely talk about tini, i want

to move on to the missing certificate, i planned earlier, but that's why that i wanted to ask you about your own creation. the trio of golden keys and in 1972 he already invites you to the lost certificate and there is a very interesting moment, unharness the horses, boys , which begins with this song , the film begins, you sing not as a marching song, but as a lyrical song, unharness the horses, boys. lay down, rest, and what a green garden will cover the cop's bangs. here is this change from

a march derivative to a lyrical one - this is also a very mykolaichuk story, how did he, how did he come up with it, what is this, well, he asked us before the filming, he asked the girls to sing, here for some reason it was cut in the movie, we were singing, oh, untie, he says, please say, oh, untie, boys, horses, enough fighting, don't fight, why do you want these wars, come, untie, go home, that's him tune us we have him for the role, for this song, and we sang it lyrically, and beautifully, and now for me this song sounds only like this, that is, with his delivery, with yours , now i hear it only like this, it is not derivative for me , but there was another song for 300 years as a cossack in captivity, tell me about it, it is not entered the film, did not enter, unfortunately, and

not only that, there was not even a recording left, you know, we were there with such inspiration of singing... we sang, he brought a car, this tonwagen, it’s called, to the river, over the pslo river, we sang over the river, there, and we could not even imagine that there could be such acoustics, something reflected from the water, we put microphones on the sand, and at the end this song was sung under the moscow guard in a yoke, the girls asked us , you can't, sing under the turkish guard, all of us made so that only this song sounded in the film. and when we were singing, there was the sound of gay-gay in captivity in the yoke under the turkish guard in the prison, here it was gay-gay in three voices, it sounded so loud that we listened to ourselves, well, i already told this

joke, a funny moment when someone was with us the fourth sang, and who... there was a dog, that is, a dog from the side, ivan, as always hospitable, but then there were no packages, sandwiches were wrapped in newspaper and sand for burial, the dog dug, you ate our sandwiches and sang terribly, but she sang so much that even the sound engineer did not understand, she ran out of the car and said: ivan vasyliovych, why didn't you say that you were going to sing, i would put a fourth microphone for you, that is, it is on... kolachu, then we already got there and then, as your mother, nila kri, told me, you know , my parents and i played small roles in this in a lost document, but my mother remembered this krasnohorivka all her life, she said that these were the happiest days of her life, in general

, these shootings, these shootings, who were there in poltava region above the pslo, tell me what is there. in general, what an atmosphere, there is such a concentration of people and in general all this cossack life, that’s all, moreover, i recently read that borys ivchenko, the director, well , actually there were two directors there, ivchenko and mykolaichuk, to be honest, yes, he understood that this may be the last one that will be allowed, and he says, cheer up, guys, because this is probably the last film we make about the cossacks, and that's what happened, the litgazeta called the lost letter a sheet of cossack philanthropy. and the film was put on the shelf for 10 years, but there you all experienced this colossal atmosphere, tell me what kind of atmosphere it was, there was such a creative atmosphere, not only... for example, on the filming, the whole village lived the same way when we arrived for the filming, and we were driven around the village by a motel, this was in ukraine, at that time

motels were extremely rare, but there was a motel near krasnohorivka, and there are all the meadows, this is an incredible lake, and there is a dry tree in the middle of the lake, i thought that it was all specially made, but ivan found such a nature, as they said then . he found, and we really felt somehow incredible there, fedor strigun was there, there came then, ivan drach to the filming, looked, looked at what they were doing, this was ivan drach's script, so he, he said, yes, guys, do what you want here, i went, because they are so creative, they are all there they reworked, they did, and i remember that every day borys ivchenko woke up ivan, in the morning, ivan, get up. they discussed the acquaintance day and all that, but ivan was the only one in the group with a cut herring on his head,

all the others were sticking it on themselves, he cut a cut and he walked proudly with it, this is the 72nd year, no, my father, my father was also with a settler , i remember him when he arrived, he was sleeping with it, i was afraid that what was wrong with him, my father, maybe it was really him ivan there was such a... created atmosphere, some such cossacks, you know, and, but i script, we didn't read it, we didn't know, we took it on the set, this is the hell that was filmed, it was such a miracle, simple, you know, but it's interesting that this is a devil, satan, who is mykhailo holubovych, he and the innkeeper satan also played, ugh, and i wonder that he is the one who will lead the luhansk drama theater after the start of the war, and he actually explains it now, well at least

it was like that a few years ago, he said that he was doing it because they were allowed to play in luhansk, which means playing in the ukrainian language, that is, he actually switched to it as a collaborator, could you then imagine at all what you think about it, i just him on the set like all other actors, what happened to him, obviously, obviously the environment where he, or, for example, or some misunderstanding, he did not understand something in this life, well, he got lost there with tricolors and color ribbons. there is another wonderful memory, mrs. valya mentioned feder strygun, and there is a wonderful one a memory when strygun, mykolaichuk and, by

the way, holubovych, they filmed this part in peterhof, where they go to kateryna, and there they are, there is potemkino’s slap, and by the way, there is a version that this film was banned because of this slap, because it is supposed to be a slap to the entire russian people, as if a fly landed on their face. yes, that is, it is all because of, and there is a wonderful story that feder strygun about how they took revenge, like mykolaichuk and golubovych and strygun, they took revenge on catherine in peterhof, tell this beautiful story the story, well, it seems to me that only strygun and ivan were there, and yes, there were two of them, they were on vacation, they were in peterhof, there are such palaces, such different canals, such beauty, oh... and in between between filming, when it was necessary to leave this palace, they stayed, hid behind the curtains, the palace

was closed, they stayed there, they prepared a drink for themselves there, they lay down on catherine ii's bed and said, here we will be this walker, and says , and there is a quote, the shearer quotes mykolaichuk, what does he say... that this whore knew that satisfaction had happened, i didn't know that, it's a beautiful story, and now you mentioned already the shadows of forgotten ancestors, what do you remember about this film, when you first saw it, firstly, when was it and what do you remember about, how did ivan mykolaichuk react to this fame, because it was a great international fame, what do you remember about it, i remember how ivan traveled... the river told us that ivan went to argentina for an international festival, for a competition, how parodzhanov was not allowed in, because parodzhanov said, i have a one-way ticket, well, his

not you. they let him go altogether, he, kadachnikova and ivan mykolaichuk had to go, and they already arrived with awards, ivan was already a star, but for that star, you know, ivan's star was a popular one, he did not hang around with those stars, he remained himself, because he was a hutsul, and he knew that he, what, that he was proud, like that cheremoshchik he is. said, my will is proud, like a cheremoz, there are versions, i don’t know if it’s true, that paradzhanov at first did not even realize the power of talent, he first took mykolaichuk for his beauty and for the fact that he was a hutsul, no, he first, first priysh was supposed to be in the main role, i forgot his last name, a russian actor, i understand it, i understand it, i even know,

maria mykolaichuk told me that the shot was like that. what did you try, well, he says in awe, he said to liyank, you are there, don’t spoil the story, just look at what ivan did, and when yuriy yelienko saw mykolaichuk in the frame, he flew out of this studio and began to catch up with paradzhanov, he says: come back, look, paradzhanov returned to the studio, looked at ivan, asked him to do something there, and approved him for the role of palichuk, and now we

let's see, yes. oh, how the capes fell in love with the dry oaks , and how the capes were left behind, the lilacs fell, oh marichka, sweet, the various chicks, if the capes fell in love, at least for one summer, remember me, little ivan, twice as much, and i think of you... and i think , that for me this is the strongest film, and another film that for me, well, actually his ivan mykolechuk is such a swan song, yes, this is babylon-20, babylon 20, which i consider an absolutely brilliant film, these are all

inventions '. that, for example, when the oxen sigh, when they lie down, when the cows also sing, when they lie down and seem to meow like that, the stakes of the deer were walking, or when these guys walk in a line like that and sing, like a swan's wing like that, let's see.

do you remember how you perceived it, he came up with it, that's how it was done, it's more, it's more a countryman, or it's more mykolaichuk, who is it, who is more here, well , the countryman himself, when he reread it, ivan wrote the script . when the compatriot read it, he said: ivan, i would rather not write, this is ivan mykolaichuk, well, ivan could do something with everything, he, he was so talented that he had these different ideas, there were a million of them, and he he gave them to everyone, everyone, everyone gave something to everyone, did something, he also supported ivan gavrylyuk a lot, gave him advice, but sometimes he plays like this, and ivan gavrylyuk

and yaroslav.