russia's pompous inauguration took place in the kremlin , and in his speech he spoke of dialogue with the west as equals. what kind of dialogue does putin have in mind when he is waging war against ukraine? we are talking about this on the bbc live from london. i am yevgenia shedlovska. putin's fifth inauguration is another six years in power, after what is believed to be russia's most controversial election, in which he was declared the winner. the ceremony was not particularly different from the previous one. putin's grand kremlin palace. unaccompanied

enters the hall where the government officials have gathered, the deputies, the political elite and the broadcasters, by the way, emphasized that there were also many participants of the so-called special military operation, which is how the war against ukraine is officially called in russia, and putin, putting his hand on the constitution, took the oath of the president of russia, the national anthem sounded , there was applause, and already proclaimed the president for the fifth time, he had a short inaugural speech, 7 minutes, he spoke about his victory in the elections, thanked for the support, as he said, residents of... all regions of russia and i quote: historical lands, having in mind occupied ukrainian territories, where the russian elections were held under duress, and putin also declared that russia does not refuse dialogue with the west, we will talk about this a little later, and the west condemned the presidential elections in russia as unfair, undemocratic, the united states, britain, the european union boycotted putin's inauguration, and as the head of eu diplomacy, josep borel explained it. after long discussions, we

sent a clear message to the member states of the european union. in my opinion, not to be present at putin's inauguration is correct my advice was not to . in addition, putin is accused by the international criminal court. initially , there were negotiations between the member countries of the union: to go or not to go, what level of representatives there should be, ambassadors or chargé d'affaires, but my position was clear: nowadays it would be very difficult for ukrainians, just like many others. around the world to realize that, on the one hand, we call putin an accused by the international criminal court, responsible for the war in ukraine, and we do not recognize the elections themselves, because they were not free fair elections, and on the other hand we are participating in the inauguration, that would be a contradiction, so my advice to the members of the union was not to go to the inauguration, and i hope many of them, most of them, will listen, but each member state is completely sovereign in that , to decide whether to go or not, but hopes more... still won't go. some eu countries

sent their representatives to putin's inauguration. there was the ambassador of france, hungary, slovakia and, as reported by the representatives of greece, malta and cyprus. although the european parliament announced the results of the elections in russia illegitimate, undemocratic, and called on the eu countries to recognize putin as an illegitimate president, but this resolution is not binding and the final decision remains at the discretion of the eu member states. ukraine does not recognize. elections in russia, in particular, because voting was held in the occupied ukrainian territories. ukraine does not consider putin the legitimate president of the russian federation, this is the statement of the ministry of foreign affairs, and the ministry of foreign affairs calls on other countries not to recognize putin in the same way. putin has effectively ruled russia since 2000 year, after boris yeltsin, and count almost a quarter of a century. after the first two terms , he moved to the position of prime minister, then returned again as president, such a conditional step allowed him to keep. power to nullify

the powers and then continue his rule, at the same time the presidential term was extended for six years, after this inauguration he can remain the president of russia until 2030. to understand how long putin has been in power, consider that the united states has had five different presidents during this time, as well as ukraine, britain this time there were seven prime ministers. bbc correspondent steve rosenberg, working in moscow, saw what this fifth inauguration of putin was like. after the oath, putin promised to serve the russian people, said that he is open to dialogue with the west with western countries, but then accused the west of acts of aggression against russia, of putting pressure on russia. these are the statements of the leader of the kremlin, which launched a full-scale invasion of ukraine two years ago, and is waging a war against ukraine. russian officials, of course, twist everything the other way around and blame the event on the resolution of the war against. russia in ukraine.

after the ceremony, and here's an interesting detail, we were able to talk to people we never had access to before. i spoke with... who interprets putin's speech as an invitation to the head of russian intelligence and he said cooperation with the west, that's what he thinks, but i assume that putin's words were understood differently in the west: britain, the usa, the eu, did not send representatives to putin's inauguration ceremony. in my opinion, this shows how high the level of tension is at the moment between moscow and the west. and i am joined by the editor of the bbc monitoring service on russia, vitaly shevchenko, but putin said in his inaugural speech that dialogue with the west is possible, but not from a position of strength, so what do these words of his mean, how to understand them? in general, i have already heard putin's statements so much that

i have the impression that his words mean very little at the moment, as a graduate of the kgb school, he very often says. says words that have the opposite meaning, and regarding cooperation with the west, he already said that we are ready, we are open, we want, but you see, the west, ukraine, the neo-nazis, they are so very evil, very bad, we, they just don't want to communicate with us, so, to be honest , i wouldn't sell a very big meaning, what do these words mean, and from what i saw today, putin, he... will try to bring his so-called special military operation in ukraine to some end, he has not changed his goals, and no matter what he says, the fact remains the fact that russian troops will try to fight in ukraine,

that is, it was not such a signal of the west that there is no readiness for negotiations in russia, it is unlikely, the signal was that we are good, we are a force for good, we... want it to be good, but you see, the west does not respect us, it does not want to lead with us dialogue on equal terms is such a signal, i would say, first of all, to the russian audience itself, to say, we, we are trying, they are not listening to us, and there were also predictions that in this speech he might mention something about nuclear weapons, because the day before the ministry of defense of russia announced that there would be exercises to to... see if tactical nuclear weapons are ready for use, so why didn't putin threaten nuclear weapons, what do you think? well , first of all, he really likes to disrupt the plans of those who want to somehow predict his statements, and on

the one hand, of course, when moscow, the kremlin or putin do not like something, and they start saying, here is the red nuclear button, we can press it at any moment, we are already... conducting training, it was in october last year, when russian troops were forced to withdraw from the border of the entire kharkiv region, and it was this statement now, when francois macron said that, in principle, we can send western troops to ukraine, and the british foreign minister, david cameron, said that britain does not object if ukraine's british weapons will... be used against targets, actually in russia, this , well, probably somehow upset or angered the kremlin and such statements failed, this is how the doctrine of nuclear deterrence works, nuclear weapons, they do not always exist in order to

use them, they primarily exist in order to scare with them. actually, stay with us, we'll hear more from luke harding, correspondent. he follows russia's war against ukraine and he just says that it was not putin's inauguration, it was a coronation. in fact, this is a kind of coronation. if we look at what's happened to russia, actually, since i was there about 10 years ago, it's gone from being an authoritarian to a kind of totalitarian state, where there's no freedom of speech, not a lot of political pluralism, and one person at the top who essentially decides. capture that his great task as a leader, as the president of russia is to make russia great again, so to speak, and he started essentially an imperial war to

conquer ukraine, he says that ukraine - i mean, he's 71 years old, he decided , this is historical russia, and i think he is thinking about that legacy, he is thinking about what it will remain. his support, to demonstrate to the russian people that the war is just, it is necessary, and that russia is surrounded by sworn enemies, including the eu, the usa, britain and so on. the ceremony was pompous, like him king. when it comes to political signals, this is not an ordinary event like in the west. it is not like in britain or america, where governments and presidents change. i mean, putin survived with... so here we are talking about a celebration, a ceremony, a ritual, sometimes

i think that when analyzing the kremlin, which is a kind of dark politics, it is worth paying attention to the drama of what is happening. and of course, we saw putin walking down the corridor for a long time, surrounded by courtiers, supporters, high-ranking russian politicians, and a few western ambassadors, because the event was mostly boycotted, and this is precisely the moment that represents a long and... vitaly shevchenko, russia editor at the bbc monitoring service, the russian media actually, you follow how the russian media covered this inauguration, they do not put under the question is the legitimacy of the elections, the legitimacy of this term of putin, so how, what is their rhetoric? well , they certainly don't put the ones that are left, that's their job. it was such a sweet holiday, if not to say an orgy on

russian television, vladimir vladimirovich, savior, messiah, if not him, well, everything is going according to plan, that's what russian television is trying to say to its own audience, of course the question arises of what's next, yes, that is, six more years, what will change, well... less, less is discussed on russian television, of course, well, if we draw some parallels with what happened before and what is happening now, there is a feeling that it is a difficult period, that a special military operation, that the whole world is against us, nato, neo-nazis and td and tp, and well , such faces on russian television are a little sad sometimes they meet, but as for... as for the inauguration, as for the personality of vladimir vladimirovich putin, this is a complete

holiday. well, the question is what's next, after the elections, after the inauguration, putin now has free hands to, for example, increase mobilization, so what are the forecasts for this? it seems to me that they are so loose, but not that they are tied to the so-called elections, of course, now it will be politically simple. send the russians to war, but the problem remains, the last time the kremlin wanted to do this, hundreds of thousands fled from russia there, as for personalities in the russian government, well, for more than 20 years in power, putin has proven that surnames mean little, personalities mean little, he decides everything, if he wants to change it... he will change it, yes, and there will be some other person who will carry out the orders of the commander-in-chief

of the russian army, and will never say no, that is, changes are possible, putin is in complete control of the situation, he is strong, but i would not say that everything, now he can do what he used to he couldn't, in principle he could do the same before , well, right after the inauguration, putin has to... formally appoint a new prime minister, that is, there is a new government in russia and some changes are possible, we will monitor how it will happen, editor the bbc 's russia monitoring service, vitaly shevchenko was with us, well, that's the end of our broadcast and we'll see you next time tomorrow at 9:00 pm, if you happened to miss our news broadcast on air, you can watch it on youtube bbc newszy ukraine. on youtube watch, leave your comments, see you tomorrow.

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the work of the schmegel government and we ask our viewers whether they are in favor of... the work of the schmegel government, i'll ask you too, but please, if you can be brief, are you satisfied you are not satisfied with the work of the government of denys shmygal, let's start with yulia klymenko, well, in short, you are not dissatisfied, but i think that the majority of citizens in general hardly know the ministers and the prime minister, since our issue is not resolved in the government, in the president's office. thank you, mr. rostislav. well, i'm also dissatisfied, the question of forming a professional government of national unity of salvation has been pending for a long time, i think it would correct the situation in the country. thank you, mr. nikita, of course, i am more satisfied than dissatisfied, although there are complaints, and in fact, well, our faction also has its complaints against certain ministers, but in general

i am more satisfied, well, here too, look, it is ours traditional ukrainian. history, are we, as ukrainians, always satisfied? activities of the authorities, well, it is enough to mention our ratings, which in my opinion, our ratings as the verkhovna rada, which in my opinion are lower than the ratings of trust in the government, so it is definitely not for us to discuss trust in the government, well, you can discuss, because you you form this government and you can change it, this is exactly within the competence of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and the verkhovna rada of ukraine can change any minister, did you remember? about these ratings, according to the results of social studies conducted by the dem-initiative fund in april 2014, the ukrainian government is trusted only 24% of respondents do not trust, almost 59. but why are we asking this question, we are asking this question, because in april of this year, representatives of the servant of the people and representatives

of zelenskyi's government, zelenskyi's team talked about possible rotations of ministers, and we have so far... there is no minister of culture and information policy, despite the fact that, well, this is a fairly important position during the war, taking into account the information pressure that is coming from the russian federation, that is, the staff rotations that were, should have been somewhere in the middle of april, they were postponed until may, and now it has become known that at the meeting of the coordination council on the reform of the state administration in may, the cabinet of ministers plans to present a project for the creation of a center in... which will coordinate the work of the ministry, and this was announced by oleg nemchynov. earlier, denys shmygalal announced that as part of the government's reform, they plan to reduce the number of ministries. a third, the number of civil servants will be reduced accordingly, mrs. yulia, what is behind this, you know what is behind this

is the center of the government, the center of government management, the center making the right decisions, a center that will help ministers and deputies, deputy ministers to take the right steps, to control them, that, that it should be yours, well, actually we are talking about... this reform has been talked about for a long time, and in fact there have already been such, let's put it this way, trying to make the center of the government, what is the center of the government, this is actually the prime minister and his office around him, which will decide and write bills, solve current issues, the only thing that will remain for the ministries is the formation of policies in their industries, well... so to speak everyone there is conciliatory, i don't know, vacations, salaries, everything will go to the level of the prime minister, and policy-making, for example, in education, will remain at the level

of the ministry, this is not a new idea, some countries really live and work like that, maybe it is right, when you have a one-party or two-party political system, when you have at least five to seven parties, it is very difficult to form such a government... it is also difficult to make such a center, because you do not have a balance of political forces, i.e. every political force wants to have one or two ministers there, if it will be decided by the prime minister, then it will no longer make sense, let's say, to compete for the positions of these ministers, then these ministers will actually turn into such department directors, so i do not believe in this reform, because the political will on it never was, and it is unlikely that it will be either in this political cycle or in the next. thank you, ms. yulia, mr. rostyslav, in the conditions when the prime minister of ukraine, deyure shmyhal, and de facto, zelenskyi, because zelenskyi

heads the monopoly, and accordingly the office the president probably has much more powers than the same prime minister denys shmygel, whether these reforms are important or whether these reforms will give some impetus to if this service were to work differently, we mean the service of the prime minister, all of them, the service of the government, and the service that should ensure the functioning of various ministries, that is , to what extent these reforms can change the order that exists in power, how the government is run, who runs it, what decisions it makes, and whether it is accountable or controlled. well, you know, the impression is that there is such a flight control center, it is called the office of the president with its five or six managers, and from there actually

come, as it was said, the development of policies, instructions, some instructions, which the ministers are already trying to turn into some concrete decisions to the extent of their understanding, someone more successful, someone less successful, if someone's actions are not liked... people then have problems with that minister, questions arise about what can be replaced in order to generate better ratings and better applause, well seriously, this idea does not look realistic, and not only from the point of view of the political issues that yulia spoke about, but there are also serious functional considerations, well, for example, in essence, the ministry of finance and the ministry of social policy... often have absolutely opposite views on the same issue, and this is naturally so, and the government must essentially seek a certain balance of interests and influences, and

if such a brain center is driven under one policy, under the prime minister, under some figure or under the office of the president, then it is leveled very much it is important and valuable for the government to find the best answer while balancing both the professional and the flight. interests, that is, such a reform will not improve the situation, on the contrary, in my opinion, it will worsen it, well, and the last element here, you asked in tako in the briefing about the fact that someone wants to unite the ministry, separate the ministries, well, it is fashionable here to quote leonid kuchma about the fact that this was already the case, since the 19th year, we remember, ministries were united, ministries were separated, then. reunited again, and unfortunately, this is not did not bring any improvement, on the contrary, then it was necessary to return to the ascending state, so it would be better to abandon

these experiments after all. and to follow the path of democratic countries tested already in the second world war, simply to entrust the work of a professional government during martial law and not to interfere in its activities, but instead to control it through the mechanisms of reporting to the parliament. thank you, mr. rostyslav, mr. nikita, here are your opponents, i will not say opposition, opponents, they talk about the need for a government of national trust, and that this too could be... a good option for the servant of the people to divide not only power, authority , but also responsibility. why are you afraid that, well, for example, european solidarity or the voice will, like you, not only have power, but also be responsible for how they use this power. well , come on, i will answer for myself, so i want to tell you that ideologically...

there is only one faction close to me in the verkhovna rada, and that is the vote. with all due respect and longstanding relationships with many members of european solidarity, ideologically, i do not share certain of their approaches there. all the more so, as there are other factions of groups, although not all. that's why i, if you ask me personally, i have a very weak idea of ​​a government of unity there, because ideologically i'm definitely not united. with my colleagues, i can personally, please, without any questions here, rostislav and i stand together, just like with yulia, the cleansing, that is , of ukraine from fsb agents, but ideologically, again, if we take the positions of our factions, then, well, with by voice i understand how to unite, and there on certain issues with euro solidarity not so much and this by the way

brings us back to the talk of the center of government, i will be very sorry if it doesn't work for one simple reason because we will always be a politically lame duck because it can't be , so that in one government, even if there is a coalition, there are people who are there for, for example, state ownership of land, and others for the land market, or there are other issues that obviously divide certain factions of the group there. and when roslav gave an example about the ministry of finance and minsource, so i well, roslav, sorry, my friend, but i want to tell you that this is just a very good example, but exactly the opposite, because it is the ministry of finance that finally approves any law, and the ministry of justice is completely powerless, the ministry of justice cannot approve anything, and this not very normal, that is, it is not about equality, it is about

inequality, and if we take away. approval from individual ministries and transfer them to the same center of government, then there will be another conversation, and if a coalition is not formed that can provide ministers, well, ideologically close, so that all were really on the same track, as they say, then there will be no such coalition, but re-elections must be held, in bulgaria, for example, this may not be the best example, but ideologically it does not add up, there will now be six elections in the last as far as i can tell two or three years. in italy, we also know that a lot of shenanigans often happened with the governments, so society does not, well, cannot yet decide who it wants to see in the parliament or in the government, and what we have and what we have to be afraid of this, ukrainian through elections, elections are a form of public dialogue, joint dialogue, society has to come to some, well, understand, and if we

criticize the ministry, friends, please, well, no need, because if i'm not mistaken, there is a ministry of civil service and tourism , well, in general, yes, so, either in britain , digital transformation was entrusted either to the ministry of youth, then to some other ministry, and this is only during the last five years, this is a normal process, colleagues, you should not think that somewhere in some democratic ones countries... well, right away, so i don’t know, in some roman empire, although this is also a myth, so right away, there is such a pantheon of public administration, it’s all not true, you just don’t need to deceive yourself and introduce to mislead the audience, democracy on tumocracy, that it is a living process with a very loud and quick decision-making that meets the challenges of today, this is its weakness.