the west will be convinced that it is necessary to act more decisively, and when it says tactical nuclear weapons, well, that is, it is the one that means tactical, as if i remember from the institute, tactical, operational, and accordingly strategic, strategic is for joseph biden, large long missiles that fly across the poles, operationally this is just medium and short-range missiles. granted, the military needs to be consulted here, but most likely i am right, it is that what is flying to the french, and what kind of tactical nuclear weapon, well, this is probably the weapon that flies to ukraine, or in some local areas , these weapons are falling, i'm serhiy, you will definitely ask the audience to understand from military experts, but first of all , i guess we are talking about artillery ammunition, there it is, i remember it again , that we were taught that there are these... 203 pion nuclear

ammunition, there are artillery shells of smaller caliber, also with this nuclear version, i just know what this is all about, well , yesterday in the kharkiv region they blew up one of our landed with a 1.5-ton bomb, demolished an entire street, and i'm asking myself if count to the tnt equivalent, and this is not a nuclear explosion of tactical tactical value? well, precisely if we measure by spending money, that's why it seems to me that you won't scare us with anything, and if they go for it, well, i don't know, then let these americans, chinese, all the rest think about how to appease them, because after all, if they want to destroy us, i don't really care how they will do it, it will be ... nuclear weapons,

whether it will be fap5 or 9 or so on and so forth, so we still have to look for some military-technical answers to all this. a few days ago, roman, the ministry of foreign affairs of russia summoned lavrov, the ambassadors of great britain and france to the carpet and told them that suddenly british weapons would fly sideways. the territory of the russian federation, then, of course, russia reserves the right to strike british objects on the territory of ukraine and outside of ukraine. great britain did not comment on this in any way after that, in principle, david cameron clearly outlined the framework, which is that we give the ukrainians british weapons, and this british the weapon will fly to the territory of the russian federation, the french ambassador did not comment on it either. instead, french president emmanuel

macron considers russia's nervous reaction to the possibility of western troops being sent to ukraine as evidence that his idea of ​​strategic uncertainty is working, he said in an interview with the newspaper la tribune. strategic uncertainty means not giving too many details. on the contrary, we must remove all certainty, which is what creates the means of deterrence. russia's excitement shows that we are doing the right thing by leaving open the door to negotiations, otherwise... we would be abandoning the international order based on law, as well as peace and security. i'm just wondering whether or not putin will dare to respond to the british for the shadow storm, which will fly over military facilities on the territory of russia, and it will probably happen soon, it seems so to me for some reason. well, the following comes out in this statement: well, first of all, crimea is ukraine. and

actually the russians themselves confirmed it, because she flew to crimea more than once, everyone emphasized that it was precisely these missiles, the air surface, and ships were sunk there, and a submarine was burned, and the headquarters of the chfrf was destroyed, let me remind you, there was a very good smoke rising over the city, and the british in this case from... earn respect, that's why that there was no such thing as retaliating on russian territory, he said that let the ukrainians decide for themselves, this is their weapon, if they want to beat povoronnizh, let them pretend, well, it seems to me that this is the only logical question during the war, because it is strange when these planes take off from the krasnodar territory and bombard our cities with the same fabs that we have already mentioned, and if they are there, then they are in the house, no, they are not in the house, and this is military logic, it is interesting with the french. the first thing, in my opinion,

this rhetoric, it is cool, but at some stage, if it is not confirmed by concrete actions, then russia... they will just, well , excuse me, start laughing and that's it, we still need to take some steps, and our , you ask whether you are satisfied with shmygel's government, in the poll today's program, well, if i'm honest, i would say that we don't have shmygel's government, we have zelenskyi's government, well, that's how it turned out for us, but i'm not talking about that, i'm talking about the fact that our prime minister, he said that we... are in love, waiting for ready to invite, who is ready to help us in any -what is the military sphere, we are all happy about it, but the rhetoric is changing anyway, let's just emphasize that two years ago , the things that we are hearing now, they were simply

impossible, and now it is uncertainty, well, that's all i still hope that it will lead to some kind of practical solution, as in the case of... nuclear weapons, they are a little will cool down, well, in terms of using all the means of attack that they have, and they use everything that they have, except for nuclear weapons, and macron is using every opportunity to convince sieden piña that he should not to give or not to export to russia goods of some dual purpose or military purpose, and sydney pinh was in paris. there were talks with macron and the head of the european commission ursula fondeen took part in these talks, she welcomed china's peace efforts, let's hear what she said. we

we call on the parties to resume interaction and dialogue, gradually build mutual trust and support an international peace conference at the appropriate time, with equal. of all parties and honest discussion of all peace plans. we support the development of a balanced, effective and sustainable european security system. we agree that europe and china have a common interest in peace and security. we expect that china will use all its influence on russia to put an end to aggression against ukraine. the president played an important role in de-escalation irresponsible nuclear threat from russia. i'm sure. that he will continue to do so amid ongoing nuclear threats from russia. roman, can china use all its influence on russia to put an end to russian aggression in ukraine?

maybe, but the question is whether they will do so, you see, what our chinese friends and partners are saying, and maybe at some ... but also against all bad things, but i'm sorry, and ursula and macron, these are their words, what the chinese promised, but i have not heard from our chinese comrades such a clear position in this case, that is, what he says, well, at the moment it is even unclear, china will be represented at the peace summit, which will be held in switzerland in the second part of june, even this is not clear, and i do not think that there will be any sharp movements on

the part of china, but it seems that if you measure the trade turnover of china with the united states, china with the european union , then it just gives i hope that after looking at this half-witted putin, he will think that it is better to trade than to fight, and there is hope that , maybe not immediately, but the gradual position of china and china will be just in time for the isolation of russia, and certain we can already see the steps, there are also bank payments, but you see, they have a common border, they can, well, find a way to supply it without any kind of fixation. howl, thank you, roman, for the conversation, it was roman tsymbalyuk, my colleague, journalist, video blogger, a person who has 1,200 subscribers on youtube. friends, we work in live broadcast of the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. please

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211 382. these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will match the results of this vote. i would like to introduce the guests of today's studio, this is yuliya klymenko, people's deputy of ukraine from the voice faction, first deputy head of the parliamentary committee on transport and infrastructure. ms. yulia, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening. mykyta poturaev, people's deputy of ukraine, from the servant of the people, head of the verkhovna rada committee on humanitarian affairs and information policy. president of the osce parliamentary assembly. mr. nikita, i congratulate you, thank you for joining ether good evening. and rostyslav pavlenko, people's deputy of ukraine for european solidarity, member of the verkhovna rada committee on education, science and innovation. mr. rostislav, i congratulate you. thank you for being with us today. good evening, everyone. ladies and gentlemen, let's start our conversation with

the bliss poll, as we ask about the work of the schmegel government and... we ask our viewers whether they are satisfied with the work of the schmegel government, i will also ask you, but please, if possible briefly, whether they are satisfied you are the work of the government of denys shmyhal, let's start with yulia klymenko? well, in short, they are not satisfied, but i think that the majority of citizens in general hardly know the ministers and the prime minister, since in our country the issue is not resolved in the government, in the office of the president. thank you, mr. rostyslav, well, i am also dissatisfied, the question of forming a professional government of national unity of salvation has been pending for a long time, i think this would correct the situation in the country. thank you, mr. nikita, well, i am certainly more satisfied than dissatisfied, although there are complaints, and in fact, well, our faction also

has its complaints against certain ministers. but in general i am more satisfied, well here... this is our traditional ukrainian history, are we as ukrainians always satisfied with the activities of the authorities, well, it is enough to mention our ratings, which in my opinion, our ratings as the verkhovna rada, which in my opinion, they are lower than the ratings of trust in the government, so it is definitely not for us to discuss trust in the government, well, you can discuss it, because you form this government, and you can change it, this is precisely within the competence of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and the verkhovna rada of ukraine can ... any minister, but you mentioned these ratings, according to the results of research conducted by the dem initiative fund in april 24th, only 24% of respondents trust the ukrainian government, almost 50% do not trust it, but why are we asking this question, we are asking this question, because in april this 2018 , representatives of the servant of the people and representatives

of zelenskyi's government, zelenskyi's team talked about possible rotations. ministers, and we still do not have a minister of culture and information policy, despite the fact that this is a rather important position during the war, given the pressure of information that comes from the russian federation, i.e. personnel rotations that were supposed to take place sometime in mid-april, they were postponed until may, and now it has already become known that at the meeting of the coordinating council on reforms, public administration reform in may, the cabinet of ministers plans... to initiate a project to create a government center that will coordinate the ministry's work, and this was announced by oleg nemchynov. earlier, denys shmyhal announced that as part of the government reform, they plan to reduce the number of ministries by a third, and accordingly, the number civil servants mrs. yulia, what is behind this, you know what is behind this is the center

of the government, the center of government management, the center of decisions. of correct decisions, a center that will help ministers and deputies, deputy ministers to take the right steps, control them, what, what should it be, in your opinion, well, in fact , there has been talk of this reform for a long time, and in fact there have already been such, let's say , trying to make the center of the government, what is the center of the government, this is actually the prime minister and around him his... service that will decide and write draft laws, solve current issues, the only thing that will remain for the ministries is the formation of politicians, them, branches, well , so to speak, everyone there is conciliatory, i don't know, vacations, salaries, everything will go to the level of the prime minister, and policy formation,

for example, in education will remain at the level of the ministry, this is not a new idea, some countries really live and work this way, maybe it is right when you have a one-party or two-party political system, when you have at least five representatives. .. parties, such it is very difficult to form a government and make such a center, because you do not have a balance of political forces, that is, each political force wants to have one or two of its ministers there, but if everything is decided by the prime minister, then there will be no sense, let's say, to compete for the positions of these ministers, then these ministers will actually turn into such department directors, so i do not believe in this reform, because the political will for it has never been there, and it is unlikely that it will be able to do so. political cycle, not in the next one. thank you, mrs. julia mr. rostyslav, in the conditions when the prime minister of ukraine, deyure shmyhal, and

de facto, zelenskyi, because zelenskyi heads the monovlad, and accordingly, the office of the president probably has much more powers than the same prime minister prime minister denys shmyhal. are these reforms important, or will these reforms give... some impetus for this service to work in a different way, meaning the service of the prime minister, the service of the government, and the service that is supposed to provide the functioning of various ministries, i.e. how far are the reforms can change the order that exists in power, how the government is managed, who manages it, what decisions it makes and whether it is under the report... is it under the control of the verkhovna rada? well, you know, the impression is that there is such a flight control center, called the office

of the president with its five or six managers, and from there actually come, as it was said, the development of policies, instructions, some instructions, which the ministers are already trying to their best understanding to turn into some concrete solutions, some more successfully, some less successfully. if one's actions are not people like it, then there are problems with that minister, there are questions about what can be replaced in order to generate better ratings and better applause, but seriously, this idea does not look realistic, and not only from the point of view of political issues that yulia spoke about, but there are also serious functional remarks, well , for example, in essence, the ministry of finance... and the ministry of social policy often have completely opposite views on the same issue, and this is naturally so, and the government must in essence

to look for a certain balance of interests and influences, and if such a brain center is driven under one policy, under the prime minister, under some one figure or under the office of the president, then this very important and valuable value of the government is leveled, to look for the best answer with... a balance as professional and political interests, that is, such a reform will not improve the situation, on the contrary, in my opinion, it will worsen it, well, and the last element here, you asked in tako in the briefing about the fact that someone wants to combine ministries, separate them ministries, well, it's fashionable here to quote leonid kuchma about the fact that it was already, since the 19th year, we remember, the cities were united. ministries were separated, then united again, and unfortunately, this did not bring any improvement, on the contrary, then it was necessary to return to the ascending state, so it would be better

to abandon these experiments after all, and follow the path of democratic countries that have been tested in the second world war, simply entrust the work of a professional government now during martial law and not interfere in its activities, but instead control it through a mechanism. reporting before the parliament. thank you, mr. rostyslav, mr. nikita, here are your opponents, i will not say the opposition, the opponents say that a government of national trust is needed, and that this could also be a good option for the servant of the people to divide not only power, authoritative powers, and responsibility. why are you afraid that, well, for example, european solidarity or the vote. will , like you, not only have power, but also be responsible for how they use this power, let me be

responsible for myself, so i want to tell you: that ideologically, only one faction in the verkhovna rada is close to me - this is the voice. with all due respect and long-standing relations with many members of european solidarity, ideologically, i do not share certain of their approaches there. all the more so, as there are other factions of groups, although not all. therefore , if you ask me personally, i can hardly imagine a government of unity there. because. ideologically, i definitely do not unite with, well, with my colleagues personally, i can , please, here without any questions, he and rostislav are defending together, just as with yulia , it means the cleansing of ukraine from fsb agents in ryasakh, but ideologically, again, if we take the positions of our factions, then i understand how to unite with the voice, but

not with euro-solidarity on certain issues. and this, by the way, brings us back to talking about the center of government. i will be very sorry if it does not work for one simple reason, because we will always be politically lame ducks, because it cannot be that in one government, even if there is a coalition, there are people who are alone in , for example, state ownership of land, and others for the market lands, or there are other issues that are obviously... divided by certain factions of the group there, and when roslav gave an example about the ministry of finance and the ministry of finance, i said, well, roslav, i'm sorry, my friend, but i want to tell you that this is just very a good example, but exactly the opposite, because it is the ministry of finance that finally approves any law, and the ministry of justice is completely powerless, the ministry of finance cannot agree on anything, and this is not very normal, that is, it is not about equality, it is about exactly that. about

inequality, and if we take approval from individual ministries and transfer them to the same the center of the government, then there will be another conversation, and if a coalition is not formed that can provide ministers, well, ideologically close, so that everyone is really on the same track, as they say, then there will be no such coalition, and re-elections must be held in bulgaria , for example, it may not be the best example, but ideologically it does not add up, there will be six elections now. over the last two or three years in italy, we know, too, there were a lot of bad things happening often with governments, so that means society can't, well, can't yet to decide who it wants to see in the parliament or in the government, and what are we, and what should we be afraid of? through elections, elections are a form of public dialogue, social dialogue, ukrainian society

has to come to... well, understand, let's say, and if we criticize the ministry, friends, please, well, no need, because if i'm not mistaken, there is the ministry of civil service and tourism, well, in general, yes, so, either in britain, digital transformation was entrusted either to the ministry of youth, or there to some other ministry, and this is only during the last five years, this is a normal process, colleagues, you should not think that... somewhere in some democratic countries right away, that means, i don't know, in some roman empire, although this is also a myth , it means that immediately this means that there is such a pantheon of public administration, it’s all wrong, you just don’t need to deceive yourself and mislead the audience, democracy is a democracy that is a living process with very flexible and fast adoption of various decisions that correspond to today's challenges, this is its weakness. but it is also hers

strength, i can end on this for now, well, when there is an established democracy and when this democracy does not need any specific correction, and when there are no signs that in ukraine, or in the country there are signs that one group is political was elected in the elections, but it was five years ago, and we understand that there will be no elections yet, but that this group can... it is possible to make a mistake in something, it is possible to do something wrong, and this is also a certain danger in this, because in the same great britain or in austria, i think there is no such danger, and this is also a big question, actually, how in the absence of elections, how in the absence of elections, mr. nikita, how can citizens...