asia, what is happening in ukraine, in their opinion, is happening, well, almost in the sphere of influence of the russian federation by and large, they still live in this stereotype that it is some kind of former soviet union, and accordingly, that there are some war, it is inside the so-called soviet union, russia as a great power, a nuclear power, well, not that it has the right, but it can afford to engage in such things, unfortunately, there is such an opinion, i will say more, i have met. .. it is even in completely academic scientific articles, of course did not sound as straightforward as i say about it, but the essence of it was by and large exactly the same, and this is what people who have studied russia in detail, researched russia and shift the responsibility for this war partly to ukraine and even more to the west invaded the sphere of influence of the russian federation, and accordingly russia reacted in this way, and the third reason, it is the most banal, it is very simple, but it is...

the most terrible at the same time in the west, well , you know, the democratic west, on today there is no understanding how to defeat russia in general and what to do with russia, this is the key point, what must be done so that the spread of this racism, this model that i mentioned, which is popular in some other countries, is not in principle in the future, they do not know, they not that they are confused, they are working on different scenarios now, but they don't know. what scenario will be implemented, and if at first they were able to find an answer to the question of how to prevent ukraine from losing, but they never found an answer to the question of how let ukraine win, and accordingly, how to lose to russia and then what to do with russia, which loses, because here, unfortunately, the parallel with nazi germany in the 45th year will not work, because no one is occupying russia now, plus nuclear weapons , plus completely different territories there, a completely different size, and

the geopolitical situation in general, it is very different from the 45th year, and all three factors in their totality lead to the fact that the world very often tries to avoid the question of to do with russian federation, of course they will support us, we don't have to doubt that, and they are showing it, but will they take the next step, will they decide among themselves that russia should be, well... well, held, let's say, responsible for , what it has done, and that efforts must be made to destroy it from the outside, this does not mean some kind of intervention or war, the regime that has been built in russia, but the western countries do not have an answer to this question to date, and there is another problem in fact, i would like very much to make a mistake, but i do not yet have facts that would indicate the opposite, i am afraid that even we do not have such a plan, that is, to understand, and what to do there in a year or two? 5-10, if the war

ends, when the war ends, we will win there, but what will happen to the russian federation, what will happen to the regime built there today. we already have a very thorough analysis, and recently a very thorough study was presented there, scientists from the kuros institute did it about the current russia, about the regime, but well forecasts are actually not enough, these forecasts must be developed at the state level, and we must act as initiators in order to... attract the attention of western countries, as once, by the way, churchill, whose country was already at war, did at the first stage, and the united states not yet, which was already making certain plans and thinking about what to do with nazi germany, and it was able to attract attention and then unite other allies around it, which also later entered this war, so far as the world thinks, while our western partners are thinking about what to do with by the russian federation, but at the same time they support. putin, the fact that representatives

of six european states were at the so-called inauguration of the so-called president of the russian federation indicates that despite everything, despite the elections that took place, or putin's pseudo-elections that took place in the neighboring territory, the neighboring state, in the temporarily occupied the territories of the ukrainian state, and this is already a reason to say that the legitimacy of these elections cannot be confirmed, but representatives of six... states appeared at this inauguration, the united states the americans said that they do not recognize the results, or do not believe that these elections were free, but they say they agree that putin is the leader of modern russia, for which the members of the european union, in particular the united states of america, confirm the legitimacy of putin, and what it threatens the world, that is, this is what the result is. this

will happen when a dictator who has a warrant from the international criminal court and is a war criminal is brought back to power. and the whole world says: well, listen, well, there is no other, but putin, well, somehow, but somehow there crowned or elected, i.e., these people are compromises, or are they making this compromise, what, what does this such a painful compromise bring to the world in the future and in the near future, mr. oleg? well, this is a classic dilemma of choosing between war and shame, it is clear that the world is still moving. on the path closer to shame, but not falling into it, but definitely not being ready, not being ready to walk on the edge of the knife called war, and this is a worldview, a certain choice, it is a certain response model, i think that it

appeared for a reason now and that's how it's articulated first of all, there is a certain established tradition that a whole series of regimes with which the same united states cooperates in one way or another not... recognizing their leaders formally, not recognizing electoral processes and saying that they are dictators, but nevertheless, because there were such examples on the african continent, in asia, in latin america, the united states nevertheless interacted with even conditionally humanitarian regimes there. secondly, there are moments of negative inoculation of the situation in belarus and venezuela, cases when it was not recognized. only elections, but also elected dictators in quotation marks in these elections, and accordingly, after that they did not know what to do, because they de facto remain in power, they actually de facto concentrate this power in their hands, they make decisions, but

it is impossible to talk to them , accordingly , it is necessary to use the services of intermediaries through third parties, and those who maintain communications with them capitalize on this. that is, to say that it hits these dictators so critically that after that they perish these regimes, no, does not beat, and therefore after, especially venezuela, to a lesser extent belarus, but nevertheless, most likely conclusions were drawn that go against the declared values, but lie in the plane of pragmatism and understanding the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of such a mechanism at the moment , and the third point is that this is not a minimization... of the risks that putin will develop mechanisms and plans to force him to talk to himself, that is, by raising the stakes, to force western leaders to take a step to call him or to meet, or to send some messages, etc., understanding that

russia still has certain escalation mechanisms, when it comes to the nuclear warhead, which russia immediately decided to get and shake, that is to shake with it, this nuclear voyeurism, it... of course, annoys the world, first above all, by the way, the irritation in china, in europe to a lesser extent, in the united states, we also saw that the situation with the reaction is calmer and more mature, which is pleasantly impressive, but nevertheless, still such factors still remain in russia, which it can hurt and , accordingly, do not want to give putin a basis for this, in the case of six european countries, then there is no surprise. france also wants to keep the option. communications with russia, not to recognize putin, not to recognize the elections, but nevertheless, to maintain the embassy and diplomatic relations, for them it is necessary in order to sit on an equal footing and communicate with beijing, with delhi, with washington, who have contacts with russia, and accordingly, that france should not be in a more

vulnerable position and not be less subject in the part of conversations about russia and in the part where certain communications may be needed, to convey some messages to or from the kremlin. on the contrary, to transfer to the elysée palace, and accordingly, the presence of the ambassador here is important, of course, in france they tried to refrain a little, but then, when it became clear that it was resonant, that their ambassador was taking part, a communique was made, which clearly stated that the participation of the ambassador does not mean that they recognize putin, it does not mean that they recognize the election process, it only means that they have embassy in moscow, and their ambassador took part in a protocol event, by the way, a speech... peter stano of the foreign policy service of the european union says that the participation of several eu diplomats in the so-called inauguration of putin on tuesday does not call into question the position of the european union on supporting ukraine . he also explained that the european union did not refuse to recognize vladimir putin as the president

of russia, because all the member states of the european union could not reach a consensus on this issue, but we know that the european parliament adopted a resolution that was put to shame in... the legitimacy of putin, and we know that the resolution, well, has a recommendatory character, that is, it is a declaration, a recommendatory character, mr. igor, what do you think, or not? can putin get the status of a self-proclaimed president in the near future, or will anyone dare to do this, except for ukraine, of course, because it immediately puts all the emphasis on the status of putin and whether it is possible to negotiate with him at all, or whether it is necessary to negotiate, and in general, are there any prospects for putin, who was crowned yesterday in... in the kremlin, look, i i am afraid that he

will not receive the status of a self-proclaimed president, and this will continue, well, at least there until the end of the war in ukraine, here one could try to draw some parallels between them and lukashenka, but there is one nuance that is very important, and which in the west understand: putin, unlike lukashenko, has no competitor who would say that he or she won the election and accordingly. but they stole this victory. putin did it more cunningly here, and the elections were held, well, almost without competition, some candidates there recruited something, but he won by a landslide, and even today there is no formal reason in many countries to say that he is a self-proclaimed president, because he at least followed some certain procedure there. and the history of these statements, both from the united states and from many other democratic countries, is simply a recognition of the actual state of affairs, here, by the way, putin does not need to be very impressed

that someone there came to his inauguration, or some countries, the same united states, said that we there, well, recognize his de facto president, because in fact, they expected a completely different presence, a completely different representation at the same inauguration, and here piskov's irritated statement, which he made on the same day about many there, well... flattery and of the ambassadors who did not come to this inauguration, it was clear that they hoped that they would appear at this protocol event, well, at this protocol event, they did not do it, so in fact, putin has dealt such a serious blow to his ambitions and to his ego, even during this inauguration received, that is, they expected that it would pass better and with a greater representation than it actually was, but due to the fact that he, well, at least the external picture. of these elections , due to the fact that he is the head of a country that has the largest, well, or the second in

the world, looking at how to calculate the nuclear potential, it is clear that with him they will keep this gap for conducting some changes, so that there is an opportunity to pick up the phone and solve some issue there, well, god forbid, nuclear or some other escalation, but look, we here on the other hand do not need to look for some huge betrayal, why, because this is the actual you'. ukraine, i just want to say that ukraine did absolutely the right thing, we simply had no other choice and our position is correct from the point of view of not recognizing him, since he has not recognized ukraine, the president of ukraine there for a long time, and so on, but we don't should worry about the fact that western countries will be ready to talk about something with putin after ours behind his back, no, so far, this actually indicates one thing, that if there is an urgent need, they will talk to him about something, but on the other hand, something tells me that if some document is ever signed, which

will be relate to russian-ukrainian relations, the russian-ukrainian war, the end, suspension of this war there, we do not yet know in what format all this will be, something tells me that there will be no putin as a signatory of these documents, putin would only sign one document which would guarantee him what he basically wants. he will never get it in ukraine, and therefore there is nothing to worry about, completely different people will sign something, and the negotiations will most likely be conducted by other people on putin's behalf, but not specifically putin himself. well, for now, we hope that putin will not sign and predict that he will not sign any documents, well, maybe you meant the only document he could sign, the act of capitulation of russia, right? yes, of course, this is the only document, or that it is half of ukraine accepts russia as part of russia, and all this is recognized

by the world community, he will sign this, everything else, well, this is not the story under which he will put his signature, but look, in moscow, hope that zelenskyi will not sign on the part of ukraine either no documents, because they are now dispelling this issue of zelenskyi's illegitimacy after may 20-20 , 2024, five years since the swearing-in of the president... zelenskyi, they are talking about the fact that after this term , in general, we we don't know who is there with him at all to talk in ukraine, and is it necessary to talk, the fact that russia is now trying so hard... to turn this topic of illegitimacy or putin into the illegitimacy of zelensky, does this mean that in russia, russia is not going to negotiate with anyone at all, and it has a goal only one, it is to destroy the ukrainian state, mr. oleg, you are absolutely right, russia always instrumentalizes everything,

look, russia has replaced diplomacy with special services, and russian diplomacy today is... nothing more than just a ministry of external, foreign policy war, that’s what it is itself the ministry of foreign policy attack, and if we talk about the church, russia long ago instrumentalized it, as well as spying on it with agents and, accordingly, using the church as a ministry of religious war. the same is happening in all directions, and instrumentalization, including information, the transformation of mass media into mass media... information is the de facto ministry of propaganda, and therefore they are trying to instrumentalize any information, and if there is none, then create it for that , in order to subjugate it to the war, including statements, negotiations, diplomatic statements, top officials, one of the interesting things is that in the western tradition, leaders of states usually do not

lie, there are regular people who, according to their obligations... let's say, can tell half-truths, can misinform, can do something later it will be attributed to mistakes or unprofessionalism or they will resign, but if something is said by official representatives of the state in the international arena, then it is usually true, words can be chosen as you like, and one of the surprises of many western experts and politicians in relation to russia, it was that putin went out and lied to his face, not only in front of the cameras. but with closed doors, we can recall it the same memories of mr. hollande or the retelling of, say, merkel's words after a whole series of rounds in the norman format, and therefore putin's words should not be taken as real thoughts, because here the west very often makes this mistake, continuing this logic that, well

, okay, maybe putin takes it, well, but in general , if they sat down and said their positions, then russia declares its... position? no. russia never declares russia keeps its own mind. and everything that has been said is already happening within the framework of waging a total war. all that is said is to introduce the adversary's vomana. they play aikido, and cheat all the time. and that is why the thesis about the illegitimacy of president zelenskyi is an attempt to play on the fact that they will not sit down at the negotiating table with zelenskyi. accordingly, it is necessary to change, accordingly, it is necessary for elections, but here we have elections. did not take place there, and this whole story is informational fluff bubbles of this lie in order to capitalize on it. in fact, the russian federation has only one goal, which is the destruction of ukraine. they voiced it repeatedly, then tried to mask it, then they stuck it out again. we saw it in budcha, we saw it in mariupol, we see in many other places what russia is and what russian interests are. therefore

, it is precisely because of the fact that in ukraine, according to russia, the president's term of office has expired... and because of this, they will not talk now, so many times in addition, they said that zelensky is illegitimate, what was the name of the post-maidan government in russia, they said that president poroshenko was illegitimate, and what was said about acting president turchynov at the time, they still consider yanukovych legitimate, so we listen less russia, we are more concerned with what ukraine needs now in order to survive and win this war. russia will now be abroad and in the middle. of course, to expand this thesis as much as possible, to spread it as much as possible in relation to illegitimacy the ukrainian government, which is absolutely lying. well, italian president sergio mattarella said at the un general assembly that peace in ukraine is possible only when

the country's sovereignty and territorial integrity are restored, and not when russia is rewarded for its aggression. let's hear what he said. from the rostrum of the un general assembly. no state, no matter how powerful or equipped with a threatening nuclear arsenal, can even think of violating principles including sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence of another country, without being exposed to sanctions. italy, together with other international partners, is unwaveringly committed to finding a peaceful and long-term solution to the conflict. a decision, not to mention one that would reward the aggressor and humiliate those he attacked, setting a dangerous precedent for all. quite a clear position of the president of italy, although it seemed to me that the italians were trying to somehow maneuver in the russian-ukrainian war and more so towards putin, italy,

well, made some curtseys, but we see that the president of italy clearly says that russia should not, should not be fenced off or rewarded for its aggression, but no leader and none of our western... partner, leader of the free world, really, as you say, mr. igor, does not say that , that it is necessary to put an end to putin's russia, or putin's russia is pouring in, and there is no such thing, putin is going to rule for another 20 or 25 years, well, at least with modern medical technologies, it may well be, that is , in general, he has some plans for the 30th 35th year, i'm even starting to count how old i am. years old at that time and i think, my god, he is going to live, well, considering that gundaev told him that until the end of the century he will rule, or perhaps in the other world

too, it seems to me that it is not clear why the world can't say, listen, that's russia, it poses a threat not only to russia, but to the entire planet earth, mr. igor, well, i think there are two reasons, the first reason is nuclear weapons, that's it. you see, no matter how much we try to postpone it, it is there, but, but the second reason is more important, i think to date, in the world, in the democratic world, there is no leader, that is, there is no country or leader of any country, who could take, or who could take responsibility and say what you are absolutely right to say, in the end, well somewhere in the 70s and 80s, there were such... leaders, there was a leader at that time in the democratic world, and they were , in principle, the same reagan, and partly thatcher and others, they just

finished the soviet union, but then the leadership the united states did not, for example, have doubts, and they used the instrument of sanctions, they applied the tool of mass culture, they applied some other tools, and all this led to the collapse of the soviet union and the cold war was lost by the soviet union, now by and large , you could use the same tools that were used before, well , the western countries are in opposition to the soviet union, with the same sanctions, well, only in a slightly different format, not as they are today, then the same rate there for the younger generation, especially since a certain the category of russians who lived for democracy, even if it was short-lived, it exists, and it is big enough, and these people, they remember the 90s not only... as some kind of pregnant 90s in a negative way, which is constantly putin tries to speak there, for example, and they mention it as a period of maximum freedom, the ability to say what they

think is necessary and discuss any topics, but for this, leadership is needed, that is, someone must not just from the podium of the united nations, and some specific ones actions, to unite other countries, to take them with him and make it so that the russian federation, the regime that exists in the russian federation, he will sooner or later stop. its existence, because this nuclear deterrence, which existed during the cold war, is largely preserved to this day, but other mechanisms have not yet been included and have not been brought to the level that it was, for example, in the 80s years, maybe something will change, and here it is, well, it just so happened that ukraine did not of its own free will, because we were attacked, we became the trigger of certain of these changes, but considering the current circumstances there, it takes a little longer. than we would like, and the margin of safety in the russian federation, well, in fact , so far it turns out to be greater than it was, for example, at that time in the soviet union.

thank you, mr. igor, mr. oleg, literally a minute and a half has been on the air, how do you think putin's russia will end and when? the collapse of the system, and it can happen at any moment, even this year, even in a few years. years, they have a margin of safety, a margin of adaptability, but there are problems are piling up and black swans are flying in, from where they are not expected, so they say that by a secret decree in ukraine, and one of the russian rivers, the ural river was elevated to the status of a strait, and not a river, because a special water operation, in my opinion, has caused no less disaster to russia than a certain ukrainian unit, and such disasters are accumulating in russia, so... they are burning, then with the hospital system, they have problems everywhere, as soon as it gets to the power block, it is the only scrap on which holds russia, square-nest placement method

security forces in russia. for then we may see the collapse of the middle of the system, which, by all accounts, must rot to the very end, and this may happen at any moment, a cob with clay feet. thank you, on this optimistic note we will put an end to our wonderful conversation today oleg sahakyan, igor reiterovych were guests of our program today. thank you gentlemen for participating in the program. during our entire broadcast, we conducted a survey, we asked your friends about the following: do you see direct parallels between putin's and hitler's regimes, this television results. poll 95% yes 5% no on youtube we have the following ratio 93% yes 7% no, friends, i put an end to this, it was the verdict of provia serhiy rudenko program, i say goodbye to you until tomorrow until 20:00, take care of yourself and yours relatives, goodbye.

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