airborne troops and in alpha served, and this institutionalization, this family of these special operations, these special purpose, it very seriously affects the atmosphere inside, and when someone comes from the outside, the best, with all due respect to them, i think it's wrong, because it, this unit has to get people out on its own, that's why i 'm glad that this commander came, i don't idealize the military, i have the right to do so, because i myself am a military man. and always believed that not always, let's say, the best platoon commander can be a good company commander and vice versa, sometimes a bad platoon leader can become a good platoon leader, that's a fact, and i hope that after all general trepok, he is in the family, and he will become a worthy commander who will lead the sso further in the fight against the russians, well, he has for he has all the possibilities, and his experience, and his, shall we say, past in the ssso and respect from

the soldiers of the ssso. this is a good start, then everything will depend on him, i wish him good luck in the military. mr. colonel, one more topic that is relevant enough, which will be actualized as early as may 18, is mobilization and a new order of mobilization, a new order of payment of fines for those who violate, who will violate military registration and mobiles. the verkhovna rada has already adopted a bill on fines, those who will violate the mobilization of military registration during martial law will be forced to pay fines from 17,000 to 25,500, and the council has also adopted a decision on the mobilization of those convicted of minor crimes. people's deputy of ukraine mykola knyazhytskyi during the meeting of the verkhovna rada called on the authorities to take responsibility for the mobilization. let's listen to what he said knyazhytskyi now is the time to unify, now

is the time for everyone, and the ministry of economy, to calculate who exactly is needed and at which enterprises, because you can't bleed the economy either. now is the time to tell through mass media that our military is preparing in training centers, that they do not throw a tank at a grenade, that we have a strong army, that we are ready to defend our country shoulder to shoulder, but when we say shoulder to shoulder... then the president should also stand shoulder to shoulder, who should not just address and talk about the necessary offensives, and to call for the mobilization of the parliament, all these jokes that we see at the marathon and on tv channels, when the military is ridiculed, which infuriates the whole society, this does not contribute to mobilization. mr. colonel, to briefly summarize the... process that has already

begun, which will probably unfold in the next two to three months in ukraine, how do you assess the legislation that was adopted and the prospects for attracting conscripts to the armed forces of ukraine? well, i hope that our mobilization climate will improve, in particular in the country, because, well, you understand, we have always had a history when a law had to be adopted there, it still needed to work properly. and, as a rule, at this stage, something has always slipped, so there are a lot of questions now, in particular, how the data will be restored, how people will be recruited, how they will pass the vlk, and of course, there is a lot of work for the government and the ministry of defense. in particular, the general staff, in order for people to be trained and healthy, as mr. mykola correctly said in his speech without breaking away from the military production, this is very important, i say again that... the last week there, i was engaged in the fact that

sometimes in manual mode i took away people who work at serious military enterprises, where they make, excuse me, there are ammunition and everything else that came to update the data there in order to get a reservation, and they were closed, they say, well, they have the legal right to do this, it is not defined by any resolution, and it is a very big problem, we talked about it with mr. techprog later, and with by the ministry of defense, and i believe that they should work for that it is correct that if there is a ... enterprise that is manufactured, they should not go here and beg to be given armor, it is the task of the ministry of defense, the ministry of strategic industries and all other interested parties to come to this enterprise and say: guys , how many people do you have, give us surnames and don't think about anything, make shells for us so that the guys fight at the front, that's how it should work, and now often on the contrary you go and prove that you need to make shells for the guys. to

the front, this is wrong, this needs to be changed, and this is a fact, but no one wants to do it yet, but we will continue, let's say, fight, where we need to help in manual mode. because we understand that one thing is on the battlefield, our soldiers are fighting, but no matter how many soldiers there are, if they do not have shells, if they do not have weapons, then they will die there, and that a fact and someone has to control it. thank you, colonel, for the conversation, it was roman kostenko, colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel espresso, as well as on our platforms on youtube and facebook, for those who are currently following us. on youtube and facebook, please subscribe to our pages, and also take part in our survey, today we ask you about the following: do you support the decision to mobilize convicts into the armed forces of ukraine, yes, no, everything is fine on youtube simply, if you watch us on tv,

grab your smartphone or phone and vote if you support the decision to mobilize convicts into the army 0.800 211 381 no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program , we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with oleksandr khara, an expert on foreign security policy at the center for defense strategies, a diplomat. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, mr. sergey, thank you for the invitation. let's start, mr. oleksandr, from today, because it took place on red square in moscow. pobedobesiya parade, victory day, central asia and belarus were present, the russian dictator during his speech in moscow, putin once again threatened russia's opponents with nuclear weapons, let's hear what putin said. russia will do

everything to prevent a global collision, but at the same time we will not allow anyone to threaten us, our strategic forces. mr. oleksandr, since may 7 of this year, when putin was crowned once again as the president of russia, he repeats this mantra about nuclear weapons, about nuclear weapons, about forces, strategic forces, that is, as you predict, after gaining another legitimacy, well yes called the legitimacy of which we do not recognize, but still, having passed another six years at the head of the russian federation, will he continue to draw this trump card constantly as a nuclear weapon and blackmail the whole world with it?

yes, mr. sergey, you are absolutely right, it did not start today or yesterday, and it will not end tomorrow, you know that... in fact , the russian political leadership, well , at least for the last 20 or so years, well , under putin, there is a you can say bipolar disorder, on the one hand, it's big a nuclear power that should decide the destinies of the world, and on the other hand, well, in fact, the fact that it constantly threatens nuclear weapons, since it cannot achieve its goals in ukraine, a non- nuclear state that is fighting alone... with the russian federation, yes, they help us with weapons, ammunition, and money, but in fact we, with our own forces, with our people, on our own territory, in fact, do not allow russia to capture us, and therefore this bipolar disorder, it will not go anywhere, it is part of their political

culture and rhetoric, and unfortunately, this disorder is actually implanted in the bridges of our partners, primarily in berlin and washington, and they are really afraid of... the escalation of the use of nuclear weapons, be it in ukraine, be it in a third country, or somewhere in another city, well, maybe in the arctic because to show the seriousness of their intentions, but they are also afraid of the collapse of the russian federation, which is precisely why there are restrictions that are still in place, senseless strategic restrictions that are in place regarding ukraine, and you know, when you showed this footage, it is a very important moment, in fact and there are two around putin with asian faces sat katsaps, who were identified on the network as those who were involved in crimes, war crimes, crimes of resistance in buch and in other cities of ukraine. and i think that it is no accident that these people

have strengthened around putin, because in principle this is again a part of russian and russian tradition, yes, when such executioners are part of the system and connected by blood. who understands that this action, this coven, it simply shows the inhuman nature of this regime and the danger it poses not only to ukraine. mr. alexander. but we saw what was going on two, uh, literally days ago, when there was the so-called inauguration of so-called president putin, and saw the statements that came out, or heard the statements that came out of the united states of america, when they talked about, that the elections were not free, but they recognize that putin is the leader of russia, representatives of six european states, including france, were at the so-called... this inauguration, and what is preventing the world from clearly emphasizing and looking at

the facts , that elections in the russian federation or pseudo-elections, they took place in violation of all the rules, in violation of the observance of legislation, some norms, world norms, well, including that these elections took place or pseudo-elections took place in the occupied territories of a foreign state, and that is, there is more... than enough evidence that to call putin a self-proclaimed president, a dictator, or come up with some other definition for him in order not to say that he is a president, in order not to talk to him as a president, as a full-fledged president of russia? well, you know, it works here the argumentation of political realism, that if we all did not like putin, if we did not consider him criminals. from the point of view of international law, a warrant has been issued for him by the international criminal court, but this person

heads the state of the largest nuclear state in the world, a fairly large army and potential, and it is clear that such a person still has to be reckoned with, and they do not want such a person interrupt contacts or potential, the potential possibility of such contacts in order to avoid a possible direct confrontation between russia and nato, and accordingly, possible escalation with the use of nuclear weapons. well, also, i think that both in the united states and in france, you do not rule out the possibility of resuming dialogue with putin under certain conditions, when it is clear that russia is ready to make certain compromises, or at least, how they will be considered in, say yes, in paris and washington on a point. how this war will end, you know, a very telling example of france, who on

the one hand sent her ambassador to take part in this action in the masquerade of the so-called inauguration, from one point to another, let's say the french ambassador was summoned to the kremlin, more precisely to the ministry of foreign affairs with a démarche for mr. macron's words about supporting ukraine, about the possibility of deploying french troops on the territory of ukraine, and here, on the one hand, it looks like some kind of strange situation, yes, with macron he does not call, does not talk to the road, supports ukraine, says that he can deploy troops on the territory of ukraine and even potentially that they fight against the russian federation, but on the other hand he is trying to keep these communication channels open, the french, de gaulle tradition also plays a role here, that he balances between the west, nato allies

in europe and the united states, and at that time the soviet union , by the russian federation now, and of course that macron wants to play a more leading european role in the future in the settlement of relations with the russian federation after the end of this war or peace negotiations, it is clear that there is no reason for this now, and putin in fact... let's say this, all his rhetoric both during the inauguration and now that he is not going to abandon this genocidal war against ukraine, but it is clear that our western partners still hold the opinion that certain successes of ukraine can convince putin that he cannot end this war on his own terms, and that is why he can come back and sit down at the negotiating table, precisely because of... this macron or someone else, who will try

to end this conflict on favorable terms for ukraine, that is, as i understand it , that our western partners do not want to close, conditionally speaking, the diplomatic door into which they can still enter, the only question here is whether putin will remain the person with whom both macron and scholz will shake hands? well , in the future, is biden there, or the next president of the united states of america? well, after he entered chechnya in blood, in the second chechen war, after he carried out aggression... against georgia in 2008 , illegally annexed crimea, we saw that european, american politicians, the council they shook his hand, tried to solve their economic issues and thought that this mess that putin started in europe would be worth it for them, i do not exclude the possibility that

they will shake his hand again, hiding behind a diplomatic protocol, with some other things, if they see that it is possible ... agree and stop this war, and let's remember how trump said that i will solve this problem in 24 hours, it is clear that there may be a situation where we can remain, well, almost alone with the russian federation, i i hope that the vast majority of europeans will still support us in the long term, the position of not only the baltic countries of poland, romania, but also northern... europe and most importantly the united kingdom is very good here, that they will definitely not push ukraine to the so-called compromises, there, but well, what, what's going to happen in the future, how can hostilities return in the next few months, given that, let's say, the pause in aid from the united states, it has led to some pretty

sad results on the battlefield, well and continuation of the destruction of ukrainian. structure and other things, that's why we still don't know how, what the trajectory will be until the end of the year, that's why, i understand that our western partners, they don't have the moral right to say this now, and thank god that they don't but i think that they have such an afterthought that it will be possible to agree on something with putin, when there will be an opportunity to check or make sure that putin will fulfill his, let's say, his obligations, this... we understand that it is a futile matter, but you know that reluctance of the conflict, the expansion of the conflict beyond the territory of ukraine, the reluctance of a nuclear conflict, they will push our partners, look for certain compromises, and perhaps a handshake will not be such a bad thing. well, for the time being , our western partners are looking for an understanding with

sidzinpin, who for the first time in the last 5 years is doing its european thing. tour, he was in france, talked with macron, with ursula funderlay, and today he is supposed to be in hungary and meet with prime minister viktor orbán, obviously this meeting is taking place, well, in these minutes, or at least already took place within the framework of his very first european tour. of course, both ukraine and our western partners are interested in sidzin pinya's position on the future global. peace summit in switzerland, which will be held on june 15-16 this year. it is not yet clear whether china will participate in this summit, although china has been invited to this summit. to what extent are the expectations of our western partners and the partners of sidzenpin, respectively, economic, because both germany and france are

sufficiently important countries for china, which trade with heaven. uh, how many arguments of scholz, and macron, and european leaders, how convincing will these arguments be for xijin ping? well, first of all, it should be said that the main idea of ​​the global peace summit, i think, is to attract and secure the support of those who, until now, will, and will not, express some support. ukraine or the ukrainian peace plan, and it is clear that we need the support of the so-called global south, and china, india, brazil and several other countries are the key players, and i don't know how sydzenpin will decide, whether he himself or someone came, maybe he won't appear there, because his position, it completely coincides with

the russian vision and the causes of this conflict, whether it's the united states, nato pushed the russian federation to defend. itself and now the western partners inflame the conflict instead of looking for compromises and so on, that is, this is practically the worldview of sidzenpinnya, it determines how he acts, what he says, and if he takes part in this summit, he will definitely be the advocate of the russian federation, he will definitely oppose certain points, especially there security issues of ukraine, he will pull the legitimate so-called interests of the russian federation. primarily security, because just as putin does not like nato, xi jinping does not like it either, because he does not want alliances against china to be created or strengthened in... the pacific region, and i don't think that, meeting with macron, macron has there were some killer arguments to change this position, to change and whether

to convince tsydzenpinnya that it is in his interests that russia, well, if it does not lose, then at least actually make concessions and retreat, because several things are very important for china, on the one hand, russia is important as a partner, a junior partner, because they have... from this, as well as in fact russia is destroying the world order that the chinese are not very satisfied with, of course they would like to do it in an evolutionary way, to gradually change it to a chinese world, but even so, in principle, they are somewhat satisfied, and of course they are satisfied with the fact that the financial and industrial resources, i have a defense-orthodox complex of europeans and americans, it is now aimed at supporting ukraine, and therefore less. there are resources to strengthen taiwan and its allies, the americans in the vinatian region, i don’t think that macron, that, let’s put it this way, it is in

china’s interests to retreat, in china’s interests to make some additional efforts, to change its position, we understand from the focused moments , that they perceive ukraine as a country with limited sovereignty, and by the way, this was the chinese ambassador to france. who said that the post-soviet countries do not have full sovereignty, and that in fact he believed, or rather conveyed the opinion, that the spheres of influence of the russian federation act on the former countries of the soviet union, and i do not think that macron has achieved any economic success, now there is an anti-dumping investigation against chinese electric cars , on the other hand, china... these actually blocked the export of brandy, most of it, almost 70%, that is, french cognacs and other drinks, also, of course, that macron

tried to play a somewhat separate role in , let's say, in relation to the rest of the european union and the united states, that is, he does not want to reduce trade relations with china, on the contrary, he wants to increase them, he tried to lobby agriculture, but... in the same way, he tried to balance his desire to get something on a bilateral level so that they would be heard during the meetings and the issue of human rights, democracy, and so on, ursula fonberlayan was also part of the program of sidzenpenny's stay in paris, and by the way, last year, when macron himself was in beijing, ursula was also from let's say so, his... his companion, but for sure it will not lead to a change in the position and vision of china's strategic goals, and the fact that china will be actively involved in stopping

this war. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation, it was oleksandr khara, a diplomat, and we are grateful to him for participating in this program. we remind you that we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those watching us out there right now, please subscribe to... our platforms and also take our survey, we're asking you today about this, do you support the decision on mobilization to the armed forces of ukraine, convicts, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you watch us on tv, take your smartphone or phone and vote if you support the decision on mobilization to the armed forces of ukraine 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, further contact us at... oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, president of the parieh committee on migration and refugees. mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. greetings, thank you for

invitation. mr. oleksiy, let's start our conversation with personnel rotations that took place so unexpectedly today in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, when oleksandr kubrakov was removed from the post of deputy prime minister for the reconstruction of ukraine, minister of community development, territories and infrastructure, and mykola solsky. the position of minister of agrarian policy, everything is clear with sulsky, he has a criminal case, and he himself submitted his resignation, although he should have submitted immediately as soon as this criminal case appeared, nothing at all with kubrakov it is understandable, because on the eve of his dismissal, kubrakov refused to come to the profile committee of the verkhovna rada for a report, he himself wrote on social networks that the resignation came as a surprise to him, but he was ready... to report, always ready for an open dialogue and a detailed report on the work of the ministry for in all areas of my responsibility, the leadership of the faction and the head of the government, denys shmyhal,

did not discuss this decision with me. you were not invited to the meeting of the faction and the profile committee, mr. oleksiy, what is going on with the government, with the ministers, and with the monomajority, apparently, so correctly, in this sequence, well, a complete mess is happening, well, they can't figure it out, the minister, the vice-prime minister, even kubrakov says that he was not invited to the committee, the committee says that he did not come to the committee, it all looks strange, the result... but there is no subjectivity either in the government or in the parliament, all decisions are made in the president's office, a team arrives, this team is quickly implemented, no there is no systematicity in this. kubrakov was a favorite of the president zelenskyi for a long time, when he was lyubimchyk, then he also became deputy prime minister, and two huge ministries were united under him, the ministry of infrastructure and the ministry of regional policy, various ministries, a strange union, many people talked about it,

including. with me, but that's all, because they said to kubrakov that he was our new next prime minister, now they don't like kubrakov, what kind of black cat ran between them as president, we don't know for sure, but she definitely ran, and kubrakov disliked for some time, he would have been fired earlier, but let me remind you that kubrakov was one of the so-called whistleblowers of corruption, who wrote a statement and then recorded conversations with... two deputies from the verkhovna rada, one of them from the servant of the people odarchenko, the other a deputy from the will of the people, who offered him a bribe and they were detained for that, after that it was somehow not good to immediately fire kubrakov, so they gave him another couple of months, they tolerated him, and then they expelled him anyway, and now they say that they will separate the ministries, this is some kind of kindergarten, united the ministry, united the ministry, simply, so that you understand, this is not such a simple process,

this is... millions of hryvnias, this is months of time, this is the fate of hundreds of thousands of people, and this is lost time for work, and this is during the war, i am afraid of such personnel policy, its complete absence systemic policy, such a government policy is scary, because there is no government, today we had a dismissal of the vice-prime minister and the minister of agrarian policy, not even the prime minister was there, he didn't come at all, i don't say it's okay the president, well , the prime minister. could come to our parliament and somehow say something, he went to us kubrakov today, by the way, we must give credit to mykola solsky, he came, he gave a report, whoever listened to his report, that’s the story, but he also had a report and a presentation of some kind, kubrakov just, well, one day it was dusk, everything was not there was kubrakov, there is no kubrakov, this is the vice-prime minister, it's all very sad, mr. oleksiy, but these reforms, about which so

much has already been said... about the government reform, that there is some decision-making center, or i i don't know what it will be called there, the control center, i understand that it will be the same minister to manage the cabinet of ministers, and what is that, well, explain to me, i have been observing ukrainian politics for 30 years, i have seen, of course , this separation of ministries, then mergers, then state secretaries. dependent, then something else, well, that is, i have seen a million variations of what is happening in the government, and now even my fantasies, my knowledge is not enough to understand, and what will this center do? well, it sounds like a complete absurdity, look, the problem with the government is that it does not make any decisions, all decisions are made by banks, which can be called though his decision-making center, flight control center, decision-making center, well, call it a tsup, whatever...

dear, whatever, they don't affect anything, it's not the government, it's a department of the president's office, and the verkhovna rada is not the verkhovna rada, this is some notary department of the president's office, this is the reality, what is our policy, we do not have, the cabinet of ministers has not had an activity program for four years, we have been operating without an activity program for four years, by the way, what is our economic policy , someone knows in our country, i don't even know elementary managerial tasks. which they should have carried out, to build fortifications, well , at least one thing our government could have done, but they did not manage to do it either, who is responsible for them or no one is responsible, it is difficult for me to say, so when i hear that they will create some other tsup or change three ministers to five or five to four, well, that's all, well, well, the arrangement of this furniture will not change absolutely anything in these organizations, mr. oleksiy.