from the 110th american old lady, well, i am not a specialist in this, but this is not a question, they are manipulating it, so it seems to me that we will always hear all these words about the nuclear component, it is not addressed to us, not to the ukrainians, it is addressed to those who give us weapons, and we will always hear when russia gets worse, when they see that they have another resource running out, another resource. china has great influence in the world, and of course, china has nuclear potential, and xi jinping is now finishing his tour of europe, for the first time in 5 years he came to france, today or yesterday he met with orbán, and orbán said during a joint press conference with xi jinping that china is one of the pillars of the new world order and that hungary supports peace.

china's plan, let's listen now to what orban actually said, europe is on the side of war today. hungary is the only exception because it calls for an immediate ceasefire and peace talks and supports all international efforts to achieve peace. we also support the chinese peace initiative presented by xi jinping. about which peaceful the initiative is said by orban, it is about the 12 points that were in the 23rd year, i wanted to read it to you, yes, well, you remembered correctly, because now we have this impression, something new, in fact, if you look at today's message to the ministry of foreign affairs with china, this is another tour of the envoy lihuey, who, as you remember, first went to kyiv, moscow, brussels, then he had another one. tour, and now

he has a tour of the middle east, brazil, egypt, saudi arabia, if i'm not mistaken, countries of the so-called, well, that's the name, yes, well, of the global south, well, countries where he can to get an alternative, there is a european position, or there is a us position, or the peace formula of the president of ukraine, what is the essence of these 12 points, they are not new, it is february 24, 23rd year, absolutely not new, but what is it that i do not hear from 12 points, now it sounds less, it is the lifting of sanctions, but somehow it has quieted down a little, but i think that this point has also remained, although we hear it less now during the discussion, but everything else remains, what is the idea, the idea is that will simply stop, freeze the war at the moment where he advanced... the troops, what is its base

problem? it does not answer the question of what happens next when international law is rejected. in the same way, china agrees with the russian position that international law has been destroyed. but in contrast to the russian approach, there is a written recognition of the country’s sovereignty in the chinese position, well, that is, it is completely inconsistent, that is, the recognition of the same position of ukraine and russia, completely ignoring who... that’s all, that is, simply from the point of view of danger for of the whole world, and this is a very, very dangerous position, because it does not what does it mean, is it agreed with moscow, i am sure, it is agreed, the chinese have spoken, now you will see what will happen, putin will go and report to beijing, and the next period will be there, they are planning this departure of vasalan. and he will say that

such a plan will be put forward again, and maybe putin will say, i and we accept this plan, only ukraine does not want to decide anything, but even then we agree to your plan, which is absolutely beneficial to russia, is in the same vein , that is, russia understands that the peak of its conquests and its opportunities is over there now comes there, well, not right now, depending on the situation, of course, we want it to be completely different, but... they think that in two or three months they can still advance, yes, and here they are entrenched, captured and give it to us, without sanctions, without consequences, without compensation, just give it back and that's it, you know, it's something like, well, well, let's do it, there is, there is a house, found, robbers, came in, sitting there, neighbors around they are watching, they are afraid of this situation, people... are armed,

they have closed somehow, but it will be expensive, i am i know a situation when on ships, i remember, there were situations when our sailors were locked up, you remember the pirates. that the money should be given to the owner there, that everything should be stopped fairly for everyone, the hostages should be released, and this is how they played with this story, by the way, an example that i did not give before, but it fits, every time they played with this, every time there, let's settle with these terrorists, pirates with money. until the moment, you know, which moment, when they decided and allowed to hire with large-caliber machine guns, well, you are about somalia, you remember this whole story, yes, as soon as they took large-caliber machine guns , they put them on these, well, they were hired by private companies, black rock there are others, everything

ended with piracy, and this is an example, if such a corrupt caliber was put against russia, these 30 economies of the world, which it's just... shchent would divide them in two years, there are a million shells, yes, they would divide them, if they wanted not by shells, but by the entire economy at once, gazprom is now in the red by 500, but it would be completely, shares , all removed, all countries or funds removed from rosatom, with gazprom, by the way, was taken out by everyone, so you know, it’s such a story, if all this were to be reacted at once, how is this... it is done in conditions where the second article of the un charter is violated, this is an embargo, all countries must apply an embargo, no one wants to, everyone wants to play such games, as a result we get this story, so until there is no such decisive action, unfortunately, this whole story

is spinning, putin understands it, he sees it, so china, unfortunately, plays along with him, and frankly i will tell you, they will expect that china will suddenly become and... others should not, because for china, this situation is beneficial for the time being, although they are losing economically, but the visit of sydney to europe, the geography of this visit, clearly sets everything apart, everyone, well, you mean that he is not only to macron, but also to orbán, well, frankly, i am too saying, not that to macron, to europe, to europe, when there are visitors who have not been for 5 years, they go to brussels, they communicate, well, europe after all. has brussels, that is, it is the eu, cenator, yes, well, one country, there is france, well, but not with such a visit, where it is so crumpled, something is unclear, cognac was given by macron, for 300 dollars, such a good, very good cognac, but well, a hint that give us

brandy, not brandy, but cognac, so it’s french, so that we can enter china without there, without those additional duties , well, this one didn’t say... no, well, we also want electric cars to enter there, well, what’s this about, it’s in the conditions when such a war is going on, that is, further demonstratively in serbia, they bombed our building here 25 years ago, a gesture , well , hungary is also such an anti-gesture, this is an example of how to work with china, just lie down with us, we we will pump in a loan under state guarantees, then we will take you away like china deeks. all over the world, i have seen it even myself as the ambassador of these small caribbean countries antigua barbuda trinidad tebago antigua barbuda, the airport is chinese investment, yes there is a chinese port, a chinese highway, for chinese money under chinese control, what embassies are there in the country,

chinese, american, russian, well, there are also neighboring countries, four or 5%, that's how they work, why don't they continue to do so, do they exist? economy, potential, that's it one belt, one road, one road, and what hungary has adopted, from europe, from china to europe, the so-called silk road, only in a slightly different way, no, one belt - one road - it's not even about geography, it's rather about expansion, by economic methods, well , everything was going well with you, but it was still going, you were gradually gaining influence, which now attracted such... in fact, well, such forces, but in competition with the united states, i don’t know, it seems to me that this is a false start by china, and if, well, we are so on the side, they know the situation inside, or maybe the time has come when in china the middle class and this upper

middle, you see what they did, they dispersed their business, the one that did not fall under the communist party, but these are all campaigns and everything, which 12 years or so. there, which works, but he has already escaped to japan, everyone scattered, those who do not obey, shot, imprisoned these businessmen, that is , they have concentration camps, they have concentration camps for a part. on the territory of china, let's call a spade a spade, it pisses them off, because it's reality, they are just genocide there, nationality suits parts of the population, and they want to live in their own world, well, i'm sorry, if you already lived like that and you didn't like that they see it as a violation of human rights, then why do you impose ottaka model and use russia as a torpedo to reduce us influence in the world. and you yourself impose a model that is not unattractive to the whole world, who wants to go to work in

china now, except for some obsessive mask, who thought something, but nothing was done in the end and thinks there obsessively in terms of ideas, that it is possible to get results in china by capitalist methods, that means they do not want production from china to move first to the territory of free economic zones, hong kong, there in taiwan. then they flee to india, the chinese see it all, that on the one hand they want to be like mao zedong, but on the other hand they still need to develop, like capitalism, someone from the americans once said, well, this kind of socialism is capitalist, it will not take off, well they somehow dragged on until today, then it seems to me that these people rose up and they began to pose a threat to this regime in such a way the keys, how it developed, and now they have come up with nothing else but to set a task... to take the first roles in education, to divide the world into two parts with america, to show power methods in taiwan. this is not a very

good scenario, and you have to understand it, so it is very difficult to count on the chinese that they will change something and it will work, there you can only influence with the americans, what do we have to count on, i will say, and i am sure of it, we need to respond adequately to this war and threats. level of these threats, what does it mean? this means that self-defense cannot be an adequate response when you are attacked by a nuclear state with the help of iranian weapons, north korean weapons, chinese equipment, pictures of chinese space companies, it is impossible, it must be collective defense. as long as the countries, our partners, lack courage. to enter this war, and such a moment will come if, of course, they do not allow

russia to continue to impose its model in europe, this is the end of europe, if they do not give it, then it will be necessary to enter the war, not only with the supplies of hymers, which are three, now the germans still will buy from the usa, three hymers systems, 30 tanks, well, what are we talking about, on the kharkiv route , 600 were transferred there today. armored vehicles and 600 vehicles, that is, there are numbers, i don’t know how reliable they are, there are such numbers, there are 600 tanks, 800 vehicles, well, something like several hundred, we have 30 abroms, three additional installations, what are we talking about, a package of 400 million, now the new package is american, it sounds powerful, 400 million, missiles for patriots and breadley, bredley costs, well, i don’t know at what price they include the package, but somewhere nearby... this is a rocket to three, count, 40 missiles, there are 50 bradleys,

well, it's not that, so putin will threaten until he gets an understanding of the readiness of a collective, forceful response. and can there be some kind of unity, or at least drawing the contours of this unity at the global peace summit in switzerland, because there is a lot about it. are talking and zelenskyi says that this forum can be a chance to guarantee a just peace for ukraine and the whole of europe, and named the topics of the future summit, now we will hear what president zelenskyi said. putin really is afraid of the peace summit, is afraid that the world majority will start forcing russia to make peace, that is why we need an absolutely clear position of each state. every leader, every international organization regarding the participation in the peace summit, regarding the support of our

joint peace-building efforts, there are also the first steps regarding the humanitarian aspect, the exchange of all for all, the return of our children home, deported ukrainians, countrywomen, and an important moment of nuclear safety for the whole world food security is also important. safety, mr. valery, if these are the main topics on which the ukrainian side and president zelensky are making a bet, will not be worked out and discussed at this global peace summit, or? it will not be such a disappointment for official kyiv, because it seems that for most of the participants of the global summit, it will be an exchange of views about something, and zelenskyi says that it can be a chance to guarantee a just peace, isn’t there us such inflated expectations as it was at the

nato summit in vilnius in july, when we thought we would get an invitation there, or at least invitation guarantees. to the north atlantic alliance? well, it seems to me that now there are no exaggerated expectations that it should have been an international forum, a conference, a peace summit, whatever, which would reformat the international system, that is, liquidate the un, as it happened at the time with the war, the league of nations, not you fulfilled its function, was dissolved, and then after the war, the un was created, that is, now it is obvious to everyone that the un does not work, why should such large groups be gathered. such global and summits because the un is not working, not the radbes is not working, not the un does not work, the charter does not work, in the basic issue it does not work, therefore it should be, well , russia is the aggressor, there are countries that do not recognize this system of international rules and international norms, syria, it is partly iran, well,

iran declared this, north korea is obvious, that is, well, cuba, which is a native and it is not known where it is, although we always treat cuba normally, but it is there for the country, you are normal, everything is normal, but it so happened that it is constantly spinning somewhere in this list, and without these countries, everything else is gathered and formed, means a new organization with new rules, without russia's place in the un security council, which was seized from soviet times, but for such a model, china, india, brazil, and africa are needed. well, that's all, so in principle, everything else will be, yes, these will be discussions, but even the very fact of the support of a large number of countries in the conditions when russia initially tried to torpedo this story, well , if it didn't happen, they wouldn't come there, but now i

see together with china, they are trying to blur the discussion there in order to offer their own. the formula for peace, the chinese formula for peace, and if he understood this story, he would show: "yeah, you have your own formula there, ukraine is a western country, and the global south has a different formula, they will fulfill the russian role, yes, which is not invited to this site, this is what they want, what will it lead to, well, from the point of view of this year, conducting active hostilities will not lead to anything, everything will remain like that, well , i see no reason, from the point of view of the impact on the future, i will see . i don't have high expectations, i think that if i succeed at least to have some new countries there, yes, who would say, well, we are the boss of ukraine and we will vote in the un, so this would already be a very good signal, and if it succeeds, let's say, or

they will be involved in a conversation about some plan lower level, where to freeze the war if... it will be our failure if we, we, if, planned this summit, as a result, it was used by china to promote these initiatives there, well, china has not yet agreed to participate, but again after all, there is hungary, which can fulfill this role, and there will be something about it plan, so it seems to me that it, you know, it did not coincide in time, the delay with weapons... this is a large-scale supply to ukraine, a delay that was created, how to put it neatly diplomatically, for some reason everything coincided so that it lay in wait putin, yes, that he will have in six months, 7-8 opportunities to attack donetsk, take donetsk-luhansk, and for some reason it coincided with

many materials that i found in analytical centers, american ones, including that putin all... donetsk-luhansk will be taken away and something must be given to him, because he is not calm down, and he didn't manage to take the donetsk-luhansk region in these 6-7 months, he didn't manage, but even after that if it turned out that there was no way out, everyone understands where it can go next, and the process continued. the summit fell on time, it was planned in a completely different context. think about it as if he were. half a year earlier from the point of view of the development of events, then the backstage conversation was developing, there was the second, third, track that clocked, the month of december, americans and russians were discussing russian women. i was asked a lot, and i really wanted to to record, it was december of last year, and they probably planned that the circumstances would turn out like this now, well, they will not

turn out like this, because everything has changed, everything has shifted by six months and even more, that is, six months, plus another two months- three logistics, minimum, that's nine months, subtract 9 months from this summit, and this would be the date of a possible summit. according to the expectations that existed then, then, therefore, the result will already be positive for us diplomatically, if we maintain attention to russian aggression, you see that is happening, russia has already removed the issue, they are hitting our civilian objects, all this is not being discussed anymore, as if, well, they are hitting and hitting, yes, this is a disaster, as long as this is in the mind in... turns into an ordinary conflict between two countries, which, well , they struck, they struck, listen, but where, but where is the fact that russia has been violating

international law so profoundly for a year, the chinese turn a blind eye to it, well, they they tell their theory there, which is not worth a penny, everyone perfectly understands the image of china, then in those countries that want chinese influence, it will grow there, in countries... that understand the situation, well, i think that after this the attitude towards china in ukraine will be clear, and after such a position, although we still have in the document strategic partnership, with whom? with those who are now helping to kill ukrainians, who turn a blind eye to violations of international law, do not call russia an aggressor, well, what are we talking about, so of course china will no longer build, invest money in ukraine and maybe, thank god, well, on their terms , and will be in hungary aspire. to invest, yes, well, not to invest money, if it were, they give a loan and then take everything, so we have to understand, we will not sit on the fence, we need to work now with

those who help us, well, everything is very simple, who helps us now in the war, realistically and in large volumes, these are our partners, as it turned out, who have what interests, but in fact we need to look at real actions, well, that is , the united states of america, great britain, france, germany. who are our neighbors, all neighbors, yes, all neighbors, and the northern countries european countries are also very active. i will say that i was surprised this time by the netherlands, denmark . so, what kind of danes do they take classes and pass on to the netherlands? do you remember how skeptical they were about our european path there, and now this is the approach. everyone understood that this is a small europe, european security, it must be protected all together, woke up, gradually europe is waking up, i would like to see more, of course, something italy

faltered a little, although it was the inauguration, i so i understand that they, they were probably there or not, the statements of the minister of defense made me a little wary of italy, because he was such a supporter of ours, well, a serious one, and it came to that. that the russians compromised him and tried to do whatever they wanted, but he had everything politically in history, but now he says that it is difficult, difficult, but it is difficult to win, but if we change this history, what is difficult, now it is very difficult, but ukrainians in first of all, but they also have such, you know, a pause, as if a decision is already being made, let's build up already, it's already clear, we are not getting anywhere, we need to produce weapons, we need everything, we need to do it, but there is still such a hope, and... maybe this stage is like this, you know, when, when the decisive action comes, it comes before when everyone starts to get tired and wait

for the ending, and then there's an ending, or this is the ending, which doesn't suit anyone in terms of development, but the ending, or something like that happens so that it just comes to a logical end, so everyone with... failed in the elections in the usa on november 5, well, count on november 5 plus a few months, that is for some reason, until february, i understand before the inauguration, before the swearing-in of the new president, well, on january 20, but the question is not that, i think that this is an exaggeration, it’s just that in the heads of people, well, people, the presidents have developed this date is november 5 , the elections in the usa, and it could be anything, it could be that the situation will change, we didn't expect it. there is an attack on israel, yes, there, for example, it affected the situation, the same can happen here, so we have to hold on, unfortunately, the situation now is such that we cannot

expect from... this summit of cardinals changes are on our side, but it also lays certain foundations for the future. another short topic, just these days the president of the european parliament roberta metzola visited ukraine and at the press conference in kyiv on europe day, she announced that the official negotiations on ukraine's accession to the eu should begin by the end of the first half of the 24th year, let's listen. what she said accession negotiations should start as soon as possible, i am optimistic that the non-negotiable framework will be accepted by the eu member states. in june , the european parliament will help ukraine by all possible means to move forward on the european path, and we, i promise, will remain and continue to loudly declare our support for ukraine, which is also evidenced by my

visit today. mr. valery, what determines the speed of ukraine's progress towards the european union? from the date of ukraine's accession to nato. these are the paces. that is, if the date of accession to nato is determined, the pace of accession to the european union will also be determined. of course, because in principle my position is that without security, with security fixations in europe , it is impossible to give... talk about investment large amounts of money in terms of investments, economic development, it will go, it will go now, well, if at a short stage it depends on what, well, it depends on the essence of our specific actions to achieve the requirements that were set there now, well, but in the strategic plan, i believe that european integration is where we will have a lot of disputes with our neighbors, with poles,

romanians, slovaks there, over the agira sector, and it would be wrong if we thought that joining the eu would solve our security issues , no, it won't, so logically, it's security, well now nato, maybe a different scenario, then the acceleration of the pace of accession, i.e., very briefly, the end of the war, the accession of ukraine to nato and the eu, well, roughly so, despite what mytsola says, that we will be there by the end of the first half of the year. to thank valery chalam for his participation in the program, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary

. of ukraine in the united states of america, and a person who knows about ukrainian diplomacy, about not only ukrainian diplomacy, about world diplomacy, everything. let me remind you that during our broadcast we conducted a survey, we asked you about the following: do you agree that democracy is more important for ukraine than a strong leader? let's look at the results of this survey, please display them on the screen, these are intermediate results, 89% yes, 11% - no. in 15 minutes we will return to the studio, there will be a journalist club, kateryna nekrech and andriy yanitskyi, news from the bbc is waiting for you ahead of you, wait, stay with espresso, it will be interesting.

chemical attacks, like the ukrainian military protect against such actions of the russians, as far as dangerous substances are used by russia. and what ukraine can do about it, we're talking about it on the bbc live from london, i'm yevgenia shyblovska. let's start with the fact that the use of chemical weapons in conflicts is a violation of international law, in particular the geneva conventions, but what are chemical weapons? the list of prohibited substances is determined by the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons, and both russia and ukraine are members of this organization, participants are obliged not to.