yes, he just flies, that is , he knows that there are no satellites, that something is choking here, he just flies along the route, flies into the square that is needed, turns on, and this is already our rear, this is the far rear, ah, and , and there are no means there, they are all on the front line, that is , they are built according to this concept, in this way, russian reconnaissance drones actually perform s. however, there is simply no one and nothing to suppress it. the uav has time to scout the area, find targets, transmit coordinates and even record hits on detected objects. and what i say about rep, about echeloned rep, even if it is made echeloned, it will not help either, it will help to crush the side, not to let him see, but, let's say , they don't lose the sides, that is. if

even there you crushed everything in this board, that 's all there is telemetry, satellite navigation, video channel, well, he just says: well, i 've lost everything here, there's nothing for me to do here, and he's just using this system, according to radio beacons returns to the place from the ice, i.e. crush it so that it gets lost somewhere and somewhere the wind takes it to the neighboring area, well , it was already impossible, i.e. it is guaranteed to return to its operator, i.e.... the maximum that rep can do is to prevent him from seeing, to destroy this board, he can no longer, that is, they made such an upgrade, and this upgrade unfortunately works, but the reskis, air defense, they are very poorly seen, because the objects are small, and they have an effective area dispersion, well , small, that is, well, the drone, you know, it is already there well, it is poorly identified by relays, and so it once caught fire there in the rear... somewhere

near pokrovsk and flies to itself, flies there for half an hour, then once there it turned off and appeared near donetsk. the recent strike on the zaysu airfield in the dnipro region, this video was published by ukrainian military analysts, shows that russian uavs are flying deep into the defenses of ukraine at a distance of even more than 100 km. and in this case, the radius of their action covers large ukrainian cities that are located at... such a distance from the front line: kharkiv, sumy, zaporizhzhia, odesa. above them drones were repeatedly recorded by the russian intelligence agencies. in this video, a russian reconnaissance drone over odessa is shot down from a soviet two-seater yak-52 training aircraft with a machine gun fired by a second crew member sitting in the back. an effective method, but in... obviously, the problem with uavs that

fly so far to the rear, it is necessary to solve the complex, it can be air defense, the same inexpensive missiles, some kind of tarstrikes or something like that configured sape against drones, i heard there that now the stingers have already appeared can target even small drones, this is very good news, that is, that there have been upgrades of the gos, and... but for the most part, well, this is only the complete destruction of the drone by the means we like, because now it's just the next way, what, what will happen, it's the russians, well, this is absolutely logical, that is, this solution lies on the surface, they will upgrade the communication channels, that is, in principle, after that their ships will become unkillable, that is, rap will lose its effectiveness very much, and this is our future, that is, before it you have to prepare for rap to have... effective that against a military

drone, protected with a wide band of ranges, with pprf, there with the ability to jump to channels there in the range of 1000 megahertz, 1500 megahertz, it will become impossible to do anything with the drone, that is, you need to have a large number of means for its destruction, a miracle of russian technology orlan. the military technologies of russia and ukraine are developing in parallel with the needs on the battlefield. long-range reconnaissance drones, especially working in communication, for example, shark haimers in ukraine, supercamp tornado s in russia, are now playing in the war a big role, identifying and destroying the most, as the military say, fat targets. and this task remains one of the priorities for both parties today. these were donbas realities, my name is yehor loginov. see you today

in the program is the verdict with serhii rudenko. learn to shoot lukashenko confirmed that belarus will take part in russian exercises on the use of non-strategic nuclear weapons. why did putin pull out his nuclear stick again? one of the pillars of the new world order. xi jinping met with full support the so-called chinese peace plan for ukraine by hungarian prime minister viktor orbán. results. a guarantee of a just peace. zelensky told why he is gathering world leaders for a global forum in switzerland? is putin really afraid of the upcoming peace summit? glory to ukraine. this is

the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. in... the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, about the world, about our victory, as well as about what actually happened during the last week in foreign policy, well first of all what was happening in moscow, the so -called inauguration of the so-called president, the so -called putin, sydzenpiny with the first european tour in the last five years, and the role of china during the upcoming global peace summit, which is to be held in switzerland on june 15-16 , we will talk about all this in the course of our program, and we will have two programs, the first program is with the diplomat and extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine valery chaly, and the second part is a journalism club, which will include kateryna

nekrecha and andriy yanitskyi, my colleagues , and that will start at 21:15. however, before starting our conversation, let's see how our troops are trying to destroy the russian invaders with american grenades . let's watch another magical video right now.

well, this, by the way, is the m67 grenade, which our soldiers dropped from a drone, led to such an enchanting result, glory to the armed forces of ukraine, and death to the russian occupiers. friends, during this broadcast, we are working not only on the live broadcast of the tv channel, but also on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are now watching us live there. be please subscribe to our pages on these platforms and take part in our survey. today we ask you. about the following: do you agree that democracy is more important for ukraine than a strong leader? i will explain a little later, actually, what we meant by asking you about this, and because there is a survey of the kyiv international institute of the institute

of sociology from the present and from four years ago, and there are certain numbers, we are interested to see what you think now about whether democracy more important for ukraine than si. leader, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your own opinion, you can leave it in the comments below this video, if you are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote, if you think that democracy is more important for ukraine than a strong leader, 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, it will be interesting to see... the ratio of votes, yes, no, i want to introduce today 's guest, who will make a living in the kyiv studio, this is valery chaly, diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america, chairman of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center, i congratulate you, mr. valery, congratulations, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, let's start

our conversation with the so-called inauguration of the so -called president putin, may 7, 24 -th year, for the next six years, putin enters the position of the leader of russia, and well, the most impressive thing in this whole story is that for the first time he becomes, in the fifth year, he becomes the president, but for the first time he becomes. is in the status of an order holder international criminal court, firstly, a person accused of war crimes, and a person who held elections in the occupied territories of the ukrainian state, becomes the president of the russian federation, and the majority of the world agrees that he is the president, why no one asks the question, except the european parliament was officially adopted in the resolution, why is no one talking about the fact that... even now we will call lukashenko the self-proclaimed president of russia?

here is another side of the question, what happened, well inauguration is not necessarily democratic regimes, yes, that is, it can be an authoritarian regime, historically, you know, it is the transfer of some kind of divine anointing for the official, for the one who rules, exactly rules, exactly with the subjects. so what is different about this period of putin's power now, as he believes and his entourage forever, it's not about six years, it's about the kingdom already, if it wasn't set in a certain framework, that's why we have two situations of two parallel worlds, one is fixed, as it were, on on paper, and some formal ones are held there measures are called elections, and the other is real, in which, of course, there are no credible elections. they know everything about it, and the fact that they are held in the occupied territory is also a reason to consider them invalid, therefore, in

principle, there is currently a complete lack of recognition that the elections were held as legitimate, there is no such thing, and then there is an absolutely correct the question is, if there are no real elections, then who is this person, well, he is recognized in his country, such people, as a rule, are kings, a king who comes by divine will or there not through elections, not through democracy, by heredity, or, for example, there in the kgb they have a fifth blood group, patrushev there, putin and sechin and everyone else, well, they come according to this principle, that's why it's strange, of course, that's why there is a question , the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine reacted correctly about not recognizing its legitimacy in general, european politicians did the same, correctly from my point of view, so to speak. legally , from an international point of view, it is correct to call him a self-proclaimed, well, i don’t know if

he is a president, maybe a president, if they consider such a word correct for them, a self-proclaimed leader, this is not a leader, i have been calling a leader for a long time, i have been calling leaders for a long time, if i do not call them by other epithets, that is, a person who is under, well, a person who is just a criminal and there is a warrant for him, that is... history, everything is the same, in this situation everything is called a citizen, yes, but in this case he has been a leader for a long time, because his status, he does not correspond to any procedures, he could be called a tsar if zherinovsky proved this idea of ​​​​the emperor to end, they wanted to make putin already so that putin would come to power large space, they so planned that it would be russia as well. and ukraine, and belarus, and he will come to the restored soviet union,

perhaps without the baltic countries, then he will move to kazakhstan, but it did not work out, that is , they broke in ukraine, so now he is not such a tsar, well, we will be the leader of such a person, well the essence of the regime, racist, i think that the term should be coined, by the way, it is very important that this terminology, even not only from the point of view of international law, but... from the point of view of the use of historical analogies, so that it was clearly spelled out somehow, because it turns out very strange, someone calls for correct grammar, whether to write with a capital letter, well , okay, there are no questions, you can write, but even this will not make a criminal righteous, this will not make a fascist or his follower of goebbels cherebentropa, he will not suddenly become a diplomat, you understand, that is, the problem is already how the world is... i looked, now politically, those who want a fair solution, western

countries, ukraine, they still, well, the self-proclaimed president uses this terminology, and those , who they think that it is possible to live somehow so that it passes somehow and imperceptibly, well, they try to continue to behave as if nothing is happening, well, but the fact that mr. valery, there is no dot over legitimacy, means that the world has legitimized the ways. that's right, no, if the world had fully legitimized putin, he wouldn't have been so ashamed during the celebration of may 9, the victory, that's... we can repeat, it 's not easy, it's not easy like for ukrainians, yes, the victory over nazism, but tragic with huge losses, with huge ones tragedies, how many people died, we can’t submit it anyway, that’s why we have this day on the eighth, well, which is fair from a historical point of view, but now the second, who came to him, well, it’s a shame, just look,

he went there evrazes, here are four presidents, krizia. uzbekistan, tajikistan and kazakhstan, and held an otaku meeting there, and he needed someone, maximum guinea bessau, somewhere one of the poorest countries in the world, there, sisomba, embolo, he, you know, they have, i looked, none of the presidents lived to the five-year term, physically or politically, and this one is just holding on and... and they cost him 26 million dollars there, this is a huge amount of money for them, fertilizers were given now after the moscow visit, that is, for this survival and for the preservation of power, so guinea bessau, yes, maybe i’m saying this theoretically, maybe they talked about a naval base, because russia once wanted

to build this base in gambia and they failed to twist the story there, and loos, well and belarus. and you know that belarus is kind of strange i was there this time, what happened to lukashenka, i don’t know, they didn’t take him to dinner, well, there was a celebratory dinner, he wasn’t there, they say that his shaygu was bothering him at that time, come on, what are we going to do there militarily , well , once again, but he did not have time to run after the other participants, because he already has such an electric car, well, he is no longer in such good health that... he can talk so beautifully on camera, but in reality we we know that he is seriously ill, so i can't say that lukashenko once again agreed there i know, because you know, even this bilateral meeting was not so pathetic, well, there was also a cuban, well, a cuban, we know, well, that is, all of them had nothing to do with

, well, in general, with victory day, because victory day is, in principle, you said correctly that it is the afternoon. when they say, we can repeat, well, what nation, which lost many people in the second world war, can repeat, we can repeat, ukrainians can never say that, because they lost a lot, many cities, forces were destroyed by the german fascists, and say, we can now to repeat, when the ground is now burning under the feet of the russian occupiers, that is , only people who do not know what war is, or have forgotten what war is, can say and support it. lukashenko says that he remembers something, well, it seems to me that he is absolutely, well , inadequately evaluating now, although it is possible from the point of view of his regime, he is adequate from the point of view of his interests, because just like african countries, he sits on russian loans, and of course, he has nowhere to turn, well, he is afraid, he is afraid, because it is clear that he is afraid, he understands that

like in ukraine, he won't be able to, and he never planned to, so... he is building a palace somewhere near sochi, smaller than putin's, but i see that he already has the impression that lukashenko has nowhere else to go in the world , remember, he went there looking for something for himself, where he could hide in china, he is about and now there is an impression that only in russia, well , that is all, he has already been taken into custody very seriously and will not be released , and i think that putin is forever, well, until the death of his... physical, i don't think that in such the situation can be resolved politically without consequences, no, it’s either a physical story like this, or a gag, that is, it’s already here, they continue to drag him as much as possible, and the paradox is that, well, the paradox is not a paradox, but a real situation that is not very favorable, that the longer the war goes on, on

the one hand, it is more difficult for him to hold the country, i mean the population. because it is like that, you know, they made an agreement, we are big, as long as they feed us, they give us something to eat and a minimum package of some kind, but if they don't do this, we will immediately, well, what kind of king, can there be a king only good, kind, successful, boyars can change tsars there, and if only this agreement between the people and the tsar disappears, then a pickaxe will fly to your head, that is , a revolutionary situation, in russia there is nothing calm. it will not end, we suffer from their stupidity, excuse me for this undiplomatic word, well, this top, well, they will cover them so that when it will be, i don't know, that they will be covered hard, that. then the black swan will still fly, there is no black swan, there will be, there will be, if this continues, then the scenario that seemed unlikely becomes

more and more, well, at least it is possible to discuss, the defragmentation of russia, although putin and his entourage believe that they will not repeat the mistakes of the soviet union, they will already repeat them, the military budget, when the soviet union collapsed, there was... 14, 5% for military purposes, now it’s already somewhere, well, they say six, but actually count 8.8%, that is, what does this mean, it’s a dump of the domestic product, it means 30 percent of the budget, at least, this is only the open part, we also have well, we know 50% plus, yes, we understand war, well, that's what they are they hide in their citizens, and this will have to be taken from somewhere, someone has to work... well, at some professional high-tech factories there, that’s it, it will all end, it’s not forever, and russia shows itself much,

but the external is much stronger than it is in fact, there is a very important thing here, so that we are not mistaken, because this is their approach, they will lie to the last, about the greatness, remember, the storm, when they launched, yes, yes, yes, when everything was already falling down, no, there was a storm, the countermeasure was strategic... defensive usa, and the usa a little they were bluffing, they didn't spend that kind of money, the 20 billion they were talking about, that is, they think that now we will not fall into our entire history, but they drag themselves there, if it were not our war with them, if it was somewhere , and russia behaved like that, that, well, we must have sat, to be honest, and looked at this decline and where it would all lead, if it wasn't all about us here, look at... what putin has been doing regularly over the last two years, he constantly gets the nuclear map, since the eve of the big invasion, macron flew to moscow, and putin

said, well, we will be there literally in a week or two, the president of france was there, he was already there rubbing his hands and saying that we can solve this issue in principle, because we have nuclear weapons, and he was completely satisfied with the fact that macron was terrified of him watched then, now again... putin takes out this nuclear map and says again that we will now conduct training of nuclear non-strategic forces, i.e. tactical nuclear weapons. lukashenko, mentioned by you, clearly discussed these exercises, which are to be held on the territory of belarus, and what the belarusian dictator said, now let's listen, because he is already ready to get involved in this nuclear hysteria, he got involved in part by providing some places for these tactical nuclear weapons to be located on the territory of belarus, and now he is also ready to conduct training. let's listen to what lukashenko said. in order for a submachine gun to shoot,

in order for a submachine gun to shoot, it must be kept in good condition, checked, lubricated and other things, and in order to be able to use it and shoot accurately, you must practice. this is our third training, i already said about it today. the russians can't count why we did it publicly, you see the situation, the escalation of tension continues, primarily from ukraine, but lukashenko says this as if he wants to practice how to use something with a pitchfork or how to work with a scythe, you see, this is what he says: well, why did he get nuclear weapons, practice how to use tactical nuclear weapons, is it because of a lack of understanding of what is happening? is he also bluffing like putin, only in this bluff he is, let's say, trying to appear to be more sincere and say, well, it’s like a machine gun, you just need to take it, reload it and

see if it works or not, well, for the sake of fairness, it should be said that such training is conducted regularly, and the component, including the nuclear component, that's for sure, and if it wasn't a war now, respect for that. there was no such thing, there is, the problem is that now everything is less controlled, because russia came out of the regime of control, it must be said that the usa also at one time, well, they tore up, tore up a bunch of treaties, and now it is cracking at the seams, the entire system of international law in the context of non-proliferation, today, when it was joined, when the treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, when ukraine was forced, their hands were twisted, and we, well, either way... circumstances and we joined there as a non-nuclear state , this is all breaking down, and the countries of the whole world are looking at it, so there are two aspects here, the first aspect, is

it brought from... are these exercises constantly conducted, or are they always taken out, for example, ammunition with a tactical nuclear charge, well not always, as far as i know, and in soviet times, and now, sometimes it is taken out, sometimes it is not, but this is a normal practice, which is not normal, that when it starts to be used from the outside and they start talking about it publicly, they start hinting at the use, that is what russia is doing, so this falls under everything , under the nuclear convention, that it is not possible to threaten with nuclear weapons, that is , they violate all these things, which is important to understand here, first, from the point of view of the perception of all this, there is no difference in the international plan, whether it is a tactical warhead or a strategic one, it is called a weapon mass destruction, and from a military point of view, these are different

things. well, first of all on the means of delivery and the power of the charge, so no one will consider now from the point of view of power, yes, everything will be considered from the point of view of the red line of the use of nuclear weapons, and russia knows very well that they have already been told this and in china, well, beijing and washington said that what will happen after that, that is, this, i will say this, an attempt to use... any charge of nuclear weapons there is a loss of china for russia right away. the loss of china is a chain, isolation, and this is the end of the war with a loss. they understand it perfectly. therefore, these threats are now not being reacted to in the same way as before. but what is important for all of us to understand, and perhaps for us ukrainians, because i remember when everyone was looking for

some. spigulki, something else, and now they are reacting more calmly and quite correctly, so until the first test, the test of nuclear weapons, and they have not been for 30 years, talk about the fact that in the future it will be used or tried somewhere, even in exercises , does not occur, i.e. the first sign - this will be a test, russia has now withdrawn, as far as i understand, the ratification or signature has already been withdrawn. under this test ban project, so that would be a point where you could talk about some sort of complex intentions, for now, for now, as kirby said in the white house state house, he said something like, once that's resolved, get the troops out of ukraine will not have your threats, that 's all, but where is mr. valery, this is the limit that the russians are bluffing and... the limit where they can

do it, because before the start of the great war in in ukraine, we also perceived this as 21 years and training, remember, in april, when zelensky flew to qatar, and in general no one even suspected that this could happen, i am from the amount of information that i have now, and in the 22nd year, i immediately said this back in march, if you remember, on the ispresa broadcasts as well. that russia will not use strategic nuclear weapons, i.e., well, there you can explain the arguments why with smaller charges, what is called tactical nuclear weapons, well, they are different, they can be quite powerful, but for example, it can be a depth bomb, a depth mine, or it can be 155 mm or, well, rather 203 mm, these are the pion howitzers

we have, by the way. they were in the soviet union precisely for that and it is used, that as it is used, it was an absolutely real military plan, that is, it is attacked with nuclear charges and the troops enter there two hours later, so imagine what will happen if russia does this, well, i, i cannot rule it out, the charge is small in power, russia is detonating it somewhere. yes, on its territory, on the territory of belarus, by the way, lukashenko can play with this too, or somewhere over the black sea, what will happen in the world after that? the first shock, yes, that it was a nuclear weapon, because no one had seen it since the time of japan, the heros, and no one had seen it on gosaki. and then the second shock will come, the world is left, yes, that is, everyone is in a panic, there in ukraine, in rostov, in russia

, or even further on in moscow.