people to answer, but the main thing is, of course , weapons and military equipment, ukraine, which is three or four times smaller in terms of population than the russian federation, there are 140 million, in our country, i don't know how many, 30, 35, 30, there , yes, somewhere like that, then of course we cannot restrain this enemy with human, only human resources... this is a very important clarification, vasyl bohdan, veteran of the foreign intelligence service, lieutenant general was in touch with us, we are now we'll break in just a few minutes, but stay tuned by us and we will continue soon, there are discounts, represented by coco discounts in may on eden, 20% in podorozhnyk, bam and oskad pharmacies. the football

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the colleagues with whom i spoke in the last days after the inauguration of vladimir putin, they keep asking how putin can be different after these, this putin from the previous one, this term from the previous one, but it seems to me that the political periodization of russia does not depend on the election, agree, mr. vitaly, first of all, i think that calling it an inauguration is a creative exaggeration. i call it for myself a wedding to the kingdom, well the next, well, the re-conquest itself, well, if you can go that far, because in fact, well, those who win and become a legitimate leader are inaugurated, well, from any side here, you can’t even come close to this, lonely thing to be honest,

abandoned by everyone, frankly speaking, when i looked at these ceremonies, this and then pobedobesiya, i honestly feel sorry even to a certain extent, well, as much as it was possible to live an interesting political life and remain in history, as much as possible was really in this one the story of falling in and remaining an outcast. even among his own, look, even his boyars and those who are fenced off from him, they cannot approach him, but look what happened at this prayer service, when one caribist sang asanna, the second kagibist, very sad, regarding your question, sir vitaliy, will something change, well, you know, in order for something to change, some factors are needed that would...

affect the possibility of these changes, and we actually don't see this, everything is preserved inside, there are no movements there yet such as required. b there are no changes, externally too, unfortunately, well, it’s like that, you know, tianit alkai, that is, on the one hand, support, on the other hand, so that russia does not lose, that’s why there is such a shaky balance, and it seems to me that under such circumstances for putin to change in principle and there is no need, well, for now, everything that is around... well, it does not require him to make any extremely serious moves in one direction or another. mr. volodymyr, can we predict in putin's new term what will happen to his relations with the west, as they may change, were there

any messages to the event in his inauguration? well, the only thing that would be possible would be to hear such a thing. well , as for the new, it was during this speech , holy pobidobesiya, he somehow raised such an idea that he said, well, we also remember our, well, not ours, but allies of the ussr in the anti-hitler coalition, we were together, although the truth is that he did not did not name a single country, and we would certainly be glad if, well, everything... returned back, but at the same time, and here it already speaks of what kind of cooperation we are and negotiations, but we will not allow ourselves to be intimidated and the like, and here he is already starting to talk about strategic nuclear weapons, that is , a kind of, you know, feeling that he is not sure and

does not know, in fact, what to bet on, or the continuation of this. .. as they once said about a naked course against the west or an attempt to somehow find ways for reconciliation, but i will tell you frankly my opinion and not only mine, he has little time in fact, not in terms of physical survival there, his there, i think, all this public that can still hold around afloat for a certain period of time. i am referring to the possibilities of the russian economy, which even according to the estimates of some economists of russia itself, not to mention those who fled from there a long time ago,

suggests that in the current situation, and if the sanctions are strengthened even a little bit, then the margin of safety in fact . very little, 2-2 years, and then it will be time for putin to make a choice, or the country will fly into the tartars, and not only the economy, but also politics will change accordingly, or he will have to accept a very difficult and very... unpopular decision regarding getting out of this adventure, how it will happen, of course, we cannot predict now, but the trend in this context seems to me to be clear, clearly not positive for putin. and tell me, mr.

volodymyr, do you understand why the president of france decided, decided that the ambassador of his country in moscow should also be present at this inauguration, because i see a certain surprise even in the french press. and such questions, well, let's decide anyway, or we send signals that we can to send troops to ukraine, by the way, emmanuel macron talked about it even today with internet users, or we are sending an ambassador to the inauguration, well, it is impossible to do all this at the same time, well, you know, it was also a certain paradox for me, i thought, well again, for this one must sit in the position of the one who does it. i thought, well , what is for me now, as the president of france, what is most important for the image of france, for my own image, and i came to the banal idea that i, as the french president, would be very

it would be nice if the olympic games scheduled for july went off without a hitch, that is, so that there would be no dirt at all on the russian side, or there would be as little of it as possible, and i think that, well, i'll give it to you ... i will send my messenger to this pseudo-inaugural festival of yours, he will stand there in the 25th row, but everyone will note it, and you will think that i am not as aggressive as i really am, and that that macron's position has not changed, you are absolutely right, mr. vitaly, when you say that today repeated the same position, he does not... want to fight, but, well, we know that everything that is said before but does not make any sense,

reads the second part of this phrase, so i think that there are purely such technological, tactical things here , which in fact, well, can only be a kind of, well, a bargaining chip, if you will, in order to, at this point, be completed. of the olympic games, the russian special services, preserved agents, agents of influence and so on, sat quietly and did not spoil, well, the olympic holiday. mr. volodymyr, besides france, there were also hungary, slovakia, greece, malta and cyprus, why do the states of the european union still want to be present at such an inauguration, is it possible to keep everything. under control, or maybe they want to keep communication channels with the kremlin? well, regarding

the first two, hungary and slovakia, i think we have no doubts here as to why this is happening, i think we have already discussed it several times and understand the political, so to speak, underpinning of this, this, and this position, regarding the three mediterranean countries, i ... i think everyone has their own reasons here, but the reasons are mainly economic, for greece it is a merchant fleet that continues to make money by carrying russian cargo, and this is not a secret for anyone, neither in the eu nor outside the eu, for malta with its golden visas, as well most of which they sell, by the way. to the russians, it is also not a big secret,

although there is now a tendency to stop this gold business, but at least until this moment, malta was making a lot of money from this visa business. regarding cyprus, it also seems to me that it is mainly on one side. economic, on the other hand, also a political aspect, because look, i don’t know if you have been to cyprus and seen what is happening there, it sometimes seems to me that once upon a time, during the ussr, they said that there was such a thing, don’t quote politically correct proverb, no, no, i 'm talking about about - i'm talking about the soviet union,

mr. vitaly, so it's us, it's us going back in time, and here's the feeling that at some point there were more russians than local residents, that is, on it's a great pity, there are a lot of russian influences there, both political and, unfortunately, also economic, because russia got in there. quite intensively, so every government in such a situation tries to find that middle ground somewhere, all the more hiding the fact that every european country can make a sovereign decision in this regard, it is not necessary to unite and look brussels in the mouth, so i think that these things are unpleasant, but not strategic. this month, vladimir putin will go to... left, and it is interesting that on the eve of this visit , the people's republic of china published another such peace plan, which in fact is

plan to freeze russia's war with ukraine, maybe it's even a joint initiative, how to counter this with ukrainian diplomacy, because we can imagine that during the negotiations sidzimpin and putin will both try to present themselves as peacemakers, you know, i think you're right in because this is far from a chinese plan. well, let's think aloud, you and i are ideological allies, however, i am in a very bad situation when, well, i am from all sides ob'. i'm in isolation, but you want to help me, what do i do in such a situation, i'm just reaching out to you with a request, mr. vitaliy, please, on my behalf, on your behalf, but please start my plan, well, maybe there are a couple of flowers to add there for the sake of beauty, but let's

push it through, but because of you you are great, you are beautiful. you can influence the neighbors and so on and so forth, i am very grateful for your compliment, but what will i get if i present your plan, yes, and we get mutual support and help, because we, we are without each other, clearly weaker than us together, and in this, by the way, it seems to me that beijing has a deep interest in russia not losing, it needs russia of any kind, half-alive, half -excuse me, dead with... completely oriented towards china the economy, which he is very, very good at, because he is starting to dictate his conditions, and putin has nowhere to go, because the only, the only source of income for the yuan is china, well, what kind of foreign currency is still around , and that's all, that is, that's why it's a mutual

interest in... keeping this one the news is bad, and the main line runs right between beijing and moscow, so i think that during the visit to beijing it will be made public, or rather it will be said there that russia is very supportive of this plan, well, how can they support their plans, and that we are interested in starting peace talks to achieve... that so that no one suffers anymore, and all this talk that we have known and heard about for a long time, and why it is beneficial to china, well, it is removed from the key issue on the agenda is security, i.e. in what has been made public,

there is not a single word about territorial integrity, about international law, about... about the fact that it cannot be violated and so on and so forth, that is, in fact, this is taking the case in a completely different direction, and impersonating peacekeepers, i think , what we need, we really need to keep a common line with our strategic partners, because this is the most important moment, well, now many people are starting to talk about the fact that, well, we need to drop everything now and go. around the countries of the south and convince them, well, we will convince them, they will vote in the next election session of the general assembly another resolution, which, unfortunately, has no binding force, i think that we should not spend time and effort on this now, keep

a common front with our western partners, get as many weapons as possible. and financial aid and only in this way is it possible to shape the agenda of any subsequent peace conference, everything else and yet, why china first after the inauguration, why putin will go to the leader, the head of china, this is such a challenge to the carpet, you can say, does the leader of the people's republic of china want to share what he brought back from europe? well... you know, suzeren does not communicate with vasal in this way, i think that putin simply has nowhere else to go, but where can he go? he can go to the civilized world, well, fortunately not anymore, as a matter of fact, his boyars have not been able to go either for a long time, and and and actually forever, i

think, because in front of them... the door to the civilized world is already closed, so it remains, china remains, north korea remains, iran remains, and with a few fighter jets on the sides, you can still fly somewhere to one of the arab countries, but you know, considering that our drones now fly at 1,500 km, this story can be quite dangerous. thank you, thank you, sir. of ukrainian affairs, the head of the russian research center, was in touch with us, let's continue this topic, by the way, related to china, with a conversation with maria oleksya, a journalist of the graduation party. on one of the french television channels, congratulations, mrs. maria, congratulations, well, let's do it already to sum up this visit of sidzempin

to france, it was such an important visit, they were preparing for it, macron even invited sidzempin to his house, his grandparents, so in the pyrenees, it was clear that it was important for the president of france, for the head china, and what a result, the result is very. snarky, and i think that macron is simply still over-relying on his personal ability to convince someone with his own layer, or some of those personal details, like for example, really inviting him to the pyrenees, that it was very surreal, where fizinpin was even given a blanket made of pyrenean wool and many other gifts, and before that, let me remind you that sophie marceau, a very famous actress in china, was at the elysee palace at the official dinner . there was even salma hayak with her husband, who owns a number of luxury brands in france, so this red carpet was rolled out to the maximum, and

it looked a little surreal, and reminded, you know , how macron hosted putin in breganson in august 2019, this official summer residence of french presidents, where a very narrow circle of friends, politicians are invited, it was in august during macron's vacation. and this visit of sijin pina reminded me very much of some kind of déjà vu, absolutely unhealthy, this visit of putin, and there was another one, by the way, in 2017 in versailles, when macron showed putin paintings, there are several photos where they are walking along these corridors, and macron then still believes that he can somehow charm, convince with these personal details, a personal approach of people of such a type as putin, and history repeats itself again and xi jing foam. it is as if macron does not learn from his mistakes and thinks that by applying the same technique, the same methods, he can achieve some result, but he does not understand that

it does not work that way with these leaders of these world poles, maybe it works with european or american leaders. with the chinese leader, no, and the result is we have very half-hearted promises, we have a truce during the olympics in paris this summer, again, how will this be controlled, how? concretely, in practice , this truce will take place, no one says and the statement about china's refusal of aid to russia due to dual-use goods was very, very disappointing, because firstly, these words were not even said by xi jinping himself, it was already at the press conference that macron thanked him for his commitments not to help russia, but in practice it is completely unrealistic. because we know that if russia were to import high-precision machine tools, optics, well, that is, the import figures there have increased, it seems, by 70% over the past two years,

these are just surreal figures, and macron in fact, i did not achieve anything with this visit, and what can we say about the tour of the leader of the people's republic of china, not only to france, with which mood he went there, because we can see. that in some countries, for example, in serbia , he was received very well, that they interrupted broadcasts on all televisions and broadcast only when the leader of china arrived, what goals does the leader of the people's republic of china pursue? you know, the goal is very simple, it's pretty much what the states did after world war ii, it's to increase influence in europe, it's to increase the economic ties, which are already very, very strong, and this is essentially friendship with the countries. which primarily already demonstrate a desire to renounce american dominance in the world, this is hungary, this is serbia, and this is france, because macron, for his part, has

repeatedly said that europe should be autonomous, that europe should not depend on the united states and build its own strategy unlike hungary and sterbia, france, however, believes that it can take the lead in this process and act as, well , let's say, a very important pole on equal to china, the states or russia, which is unclear or realistic, given that europe, and france, in particular, does not have its own military production, this country is not autonomous in terms of energy resources, that is, what autonomy and what strong position can we talk about , but france is added to this, to this number of countries, and the chinese leader simply takes advantage of this, of course, he chose the date, by the way, not by chance, this year is the holiday of... diplomatic relations with france, 75 years of diplomatic relations with hungary, as well as the 25th anniversary of the nato bombing

of the chinese embassy. in belgrade, that is, you see, very symbolic moments have been chosen, and this trip is absolutely strategic, it is the construction and strengthening of influence in europe, it is economic ties, it is the strengthening of the infrastructural process, also one belt, one road, to which hungary has already joined, and , for example, china invested 2 billion euros in connecting the capitals of hungary and serbia with a high-speed train, that is, there are economic interests from... from all sides , in fact, and well, somewhere china is dragging felt pampered, let's say so, and not the fact that he even plays into the hands of russia, or does it, well, if, let's say, in some such tandem together with russia, these are purely chinese interests, absolutely the economic interests of the country for which this is a priority , economic development, and tell me, mrs. maria, this conversation is constantly

about her... the chances that french troops can enter ukraine, macron continues this conversation, we already talked about it in our program today, he said it today, explaining it to ordinary users the internet in such direct answers that we certainly do not want to fight, but we have to intervene if ukrainian sovereignty may be in danger, how much politics is there and how much real intentions of a security nature are there? a lot of politics, because in the same volume... at the end of the interview, he said: i sincerely hope that we will not have to fight, well , that is, the president, as usual, see him, as it were , a swing, from right to left, a roller coaster, it's already something like that, well, the french media are already used to it, it's already the fourth month of this conversations that do not lead to anything, there was a bit of a stir over this statement of fake news from an american official and also that french troops are already in

ukraine, although after that that's all... i think macron is partly confused, i have such a theory, you know, because too often he returns to these words and too often they sound in the exact opposite way, then he says that we should be ready for anything, and if there, for example, the front line moves or some defense lines of ukraine, then it is necessary will go, and then in the same interview he says: i hope we never have to do this and we ... have to understand exactly the context, when this red line does come, again we go back to the red lines, that is somehow he is swayed, you know, in different directions, and i don't see this sequence yet, i think he has this opinion unequivocally, but there is no support, and he cannot follow this well-trodden path, because he has no support for it, and how does french society feel about sending troops to

the territory of ukraine? what do ordinary people think what are they saying they have a negative attitude, they have a negative attitude, the last polls, it seems, there were no fresh polls, the last polls i saw were about a month ago, and there two/thirds of the french said that no, we are not at war with russia, until thing, this phrase comes back very often in the discourse, we are not at war with russia, although they talk about cyber war, here it is interesting, they admit that russia and france are in a state of such a cyber war, because there are a lot of attacks on french servers and on official websites, and this war is already going on, but physically, there should not be a physical war on the ground against russia, against the russians, and france has nothing to do with it, so sending troops in general does not suit the french at all, well, according to the latest polls, at least this idea was not supported, just as it was not supported by other political forces, except possibly pro-conservatives. right-wingers and

centrists, who now simply, well, let's say banal, follow macron in almost everything, because they have such a political consensus, but there is neither the left nor the more radical right at all consensus on the sending of troops, although we will have to watch what is happening in kharkiv oblast, so here it will surely be a test for emmanuel macron, because he has already spoken about a certain offensive or breakthrough of some lines, if this happens... then it will be worth following his reaction, to what extent, in principle, can we now say that france really captures such a leadership in europe, when we talk about supporting ukraine, do you see signs of this? you know, these signs are probably in words, because it is after all, macron is one of those leaders who talks about ukraine almost.