are gathered in some holiday home in truskavets, just to explain to them what politics is and what laws are, these are ordinary people who voted for them, these are the people who, relatively speaking, in truskavets bring them there, how clean i am towels or food, breakfast, these are the same people who sit in the parliament, no different, nothing at all, the same people, simple, then the same people who elected these same people, as they themselves think, or maybe we need some professional people to represent us. with on the other hand, these same people say: why should we go to fight when the children of deputies are not fighting, but these deputies are the same people as you, they just came from the same office as you left, you they just voted for them, these are the common people that you put in the parliament, what kind of complaints, and it surprises me, you know, and i don't know what to do about it, i'm ... sure that it

can be cured at all? well, you see, i apologize for such a long question, no, experience is a little bit of a cure, it heals, yes, that is, some certain changes are happening, ah, well, i would say that it is not schizophrenia, sociologists have a term for it, well, maybe journalists can say schizophrenia, sociologists have a term ambivalence, ambivalence, that's great, that's it. uh, but here i would like to say, by the way, about your mention of social justice, i think that this is precisely one of the criteria why, let's say, there is no trust, proper trust in the mobilization carried out by the authorities, you are absolutely correct in saying that, well, your program often discusses the experience of israel, well, there are children ministers are fighting, yes and ... of course, yes, and

everyone knows about it, and if there is not even a question why, i think that if we have such cases, i do not think that there are many, but about this it is necessary to say and really do so that, well, if not the children of these young deputies, yes, but at least the relatives around, so that they are really also mobilized, are at the front, and so that we know about it, and then this... this will prove that we have, that we have social justice, and not just take those who are easier to take, there from the village or from the workers, and it really creates a feeling of social injustice, as well as people, well, you them, there were now explanations, well, this is also a painful topic, there were now explanations of the military, which is very difficult to carry out in the conditions when the russians are advancing. at least partial demobilization,

but it would be necessary to do so that people could at least go home, recover their strength, see their relatives and so on, that is , some things, some things should be done and they will increase trust in the authorities, but again i went into that topic, where i am not an expert on mobilization, it's just that, so to speak, thoughts from the side, thoughts out loud, thank you. and which i do on the basis of our polls, thank you, oleksiy haran, professor of political science at the kyiv academy, scientific director of the democratic initiatives foundation named after lik kucharev, we were on the air , we will interrupt for a few minutes, but don't tune out, no, no, no, no, no, no, he who saves one life saves the whole world.

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aviation expert, so let's talk about what can be done with the ukrainian military-industrial complex, this is an important topic, i think, because we understand that without... our weapons, we will not be able to do much, we hear from the allies all the time , here you can shoot, here you can’t shoot, here you can, here we had our own weapons, we would n’t have asked, well, actually yes, if we are talking about our own capabilities, then there is no need to ask anyone for permission, and we should to note, in principle, that during these two years we managed reach, well, get such certain opportunities and increase your opportunities, taking into account your own developments, taking into account. the scaling of some areas of military production of weapons, but there is a significant problem, these are components and funding, because we understand that the state does not have enough funding, so we need to find funding at the expense of, for example, our western

partners, and this is the main task now in order to that besides the fact that we need help, and this really cannot be refused, and this must be... asked for, for example, there are high-tech shock weapons, there are heavy equipment, airplanes, well, these are the same atakams, hymers, we need all this, because we cannot produce it so quickly, we can produce means of radio-electronic warfare, we can - we can produce some means of armored vehicles, we have directions, for example, very good ones of different, different distances of action, but there is also a need for such equipment, and there are already positive points, regarding, for example, financing from europe, ukrainian companies, who can then the troops will supply their products directly, by the way, i understand that at the defense forum in brussels, which we were at, they talked about exactly this, if we talk

about the main directions, then just tell us what is being discussed right now, let's start with the fact that i would probably like to compare two such significant ones: which i had the chance to attend, in warsaw last year and in brussels this year, and there is a significant difference, communication with our western partners, there is ongoing communication with european companies that manufacture weapons, for example, if even last year there was an offer from european companies, for example, buy this, buy this, now they were on the real... example, manufacturers of certain weapons come up and say: can you put on our weapons electronic warfare? we can, okay, let's go, representatives of some countries come and say, and we can finance, do you have what you have for weapons, so that we can purchase and transfer it for

the military directly to the military subdivisions, and moreover, it should be noted here that europe understands that we are in some directions. military weapons, we are a little ahead, because here we are at zero, so to speak, and we receive 24x7 information, we try to improve some of our products as quickly as possible, and due to this we are ahead of some western developments, but i would like to draw attention that we should actually collaborate with western companies here, that they actually have a lot to offer us, what type of collaboration should they do here, so that they can produce their own products here. about placement, for example, of some means of production, and there are already certain conversations when it is proposed to open production on the territory of ukraine, due to the supply of a full set of equipment for production, there means and then so that it can be done in ukraine, and these are positive in principle moments, and

here again we can go back to the fact that we can make compatible products, then, kotor, which after our victory, after the end of the war, can be... sold all over the world, i want to draw attention again, that some means currently produced by ukraine , they are dual-purpose, we must not forget that the same reconnaissance uavs that fly in our country at long distances, they can conduct reconnaissance of forest fires, they can guard borders, they can work there tracking of some nature reserves and so on, that is , we can say the same about the means of radio-electronic warfare in fact, so that legislatively equalize the possibilities. the use of uavs will be difficult, however, let's be honest, because there is a ban on their use firearms, but still killings happen, the same will happen now with fpv drones, this is a very powerful weapon, and for example, before a sniper had to

sit 3 km away and aim at the gate, but now it is enough to sit behind 15 km and you don't have to be in direct line of sight, you understand, that is, you can fly over here . er, there in the hatch or in the window of the car and that's all, you mean for criminal activity that you need to neutralize the enemy's business for some business there, then it's not like it will be in the 90s, it will already be. well, it will be high-tech, and here we are actually saying that it will be necessary to understand that it will have to be somehow protected, even the speeches of some political figures, even the speeches at the stadium of some stars in order not to fly some drones, not to film it, then not to sell these video, it is also necessary, will be able to be regulated at the expense of means of radio-electronic warfare, and here we are saying that we have a significant opportunity in ukraine, let's start with the fact that there have been a lot of opportunities since 1991, and now in we have another one possibility. which can help ukraine significantly improve its position in the world, both

economically and politically, due to the fact that most countries, let's say japan, korea, they became high-tech after the war, and that is, we are talking about what we have now is an opportunity, and this opportunity must not be lost, not lost, an opportunity, and this opportunity must not be lost, not lost, and we have a chance, and it must be stimulated, that is, so that... our state managers, who we have in the state, helped us practice more actively here this topic, but if we talk about enthusiasm, really, how much enthusiasm is there in the west right now specifically for the ukrainian military-industrial complex, and again, returning to, for example, past meetings, even when representatives came here to ukraine, they were very actively interested and collected information, it is clear that they are also collecting information, but still more... respects ukrainian engineers, in fact there is potential and development in this

direction, and, for example, some western companies offer already compatible work, offer their software or offer their developments in artificial intelligence in order to implement our tools, and there is interest and there is interest at the level, i would note that in fact it is at the level, it is clear that if earlier we ... they looked at us, and what you can do, now they see that we can actually do something and quite powerfully, by the way, about artificial intelligence, i always have the impression that you and i are watching the last war 20 century, with the participation of military personnel there numbers with the participation of traditional military equipment, there are tanks, armored personnel carriers, and we are literally the russian-ukrainian war turned into a war of drones before our eyes, literally in a few months. but if artificial intelligence develops, maybe everything will change in an absolutely fundamental way,

maybe we are not doing that? well, let's start with the fact that, given the amount of pressure that is coming at us from russia, we need to oppose technologies, technologies that will help to do more problems by a smaller number of people, and this is what we are really talking about artificial intelligence, about algorithms that would help us solve certain areas of problems. if we say that we need 2-3 fpv drones to destroy a tank, then we can say that, for example, 12 fp drones that will independently perform the task will be performed at the expense of one operator, and not 12 pilots, and here we are talking about the fact that there is already the possibility of work resistant to means of radio-electronic warfare, there are no other factors that can interfere, and this works automatically, moreover, we can talk about what can take off, for example, a large drone that will patrol a certain area of ​​​​the territory and will

send, for example, on a task or one scout, and then, well, in principle, it looks like some kind of fantasy here , but let's go back to those videos that we see when the ground drones that provide logistics there are knocked out, for example, by aerial drones, that is, we are already in this war of war, this is the beginning of that war. so who watched terminator when it starts there, yes, that's it, you understand, because in fact, there is a need for counteraction, and this counteraction will increasingly be such an impetus for high technologies, and unlike our western partners, who are very cautious about artificial intelligence and are afraid, if russia starts using artificial intelligence for nuclear missiles, it will terrify them, but unlike... them, we went deeper into it and we started working on it, because this will significantly help us fight the enemy,

well, by the way good question because we we really say that we are talking about the regulation of artificial intelligence there and the use of drones at the level of domestic legislation, but how to limit it at the level of international relations, when countries like russia and china can simply not recognize general principles and calmly use anything, well they do not use them, they also develop a nuclear power program there. korea itself, you know, so here, again, i think that's another side that needs to be talked about because we see the unification countries such as russia, iran, korea, that is , it is the creation of such a terrorist hub, which has become much larger than it was even in soviet times, because if we said, in soviet times, it was mostly like this, there are military consultants in yemen, there is something else somewhere in egypt, during soviet times,

now it is an open war against the west and on the territory of ukraine. well, still, when we talk about their level of weaponry, it is not very high-tech, neither iran nor north korea look like such centers high technologies, they have classic weapons, but they are not very new, classic weapons that were obtained in soviet times, in soviet times, and iran received weapons from the americans in soviet times, too , a lot, well, iran, yes, it has there are still f4 flying files, quite such beautiful planes in fact, but if we talk about russian weapons, well... well, i keep saying, and there are simply a lot of them, it is not as technological, it is not as super as it seems in reality, because su-35, modernization of the su-27, if we we are talking about the strategic aviation of the russian federation, the russian federation cannot build strategic aircraft, it is all the military-industrial complexes of the ssr, marshal stinov, so to speak, in fact, recently komsomolsk on the amur was shown, and the plant for

the production of dry, dry su-35 and su -50. everyone has a question, in the 18th year a big article comes out from the head of shop 45 of the same plant about the fact that they finally established the production of conveyor production of su-35 aircraft, there is a question: su-35 is a deep modernization of the su-27 aircraft, he graduated from soviet times, and what happened to you, what was lost, what you had to rebuild again. this line, if the plant is in place, everything is in place, in fact, if we are talking about a certain time there before 2008, then russia was actively declining with the production of some aircraft, after 2008 until the 14th year they made great progress, in fact, it is due to western components again, they were able to fill and produce a certain number

of aircraft, and in principle, this is the jump they have now they are using it, since 2014. years gradually decreased and, for example, back in the 16th and 18th years, they could produce 10 aircraft of each type there, now we are talking about the fact that they are able to produce either 5 s-35x, 5 s34x and 1.2 su-57, all why because some high-tech components they can't get, engines with engines they have for each plane for engines they have a big problem because let's go back to soviet times... the soviet union got the first jet engines from great britain, and the story started from there creation of jet engines, and the jet engine on the su-57 was ignited during the presentation of the indian delegation, the second supis7 crashed due to the fact that the control system was incorrect, which led to

the inclusion of some controls led to the fall of this plane, that is, we are talking about , that there are technological problems that they cannot solve, they cannot solve, for example, increasing the service life of some engines for strategic aviation, for tactical aviation, well, what is an engine that can only fly for a thousand hours, that's nothing, but the strategic aviation 160 and high-tech engine for the 80s can only fly for 300 hours, that's not enough, that is, and it has to be thrown out and a new one inserted. and they can’t make them, and that’s why vation cannibalism begins, further even deeper, the tu-160 series was released from some aircraft, as well as on the tu-22m3, the auxiliary power plant, which is responsible for providing electrical power for starting the engines, is not from each plane is suitable for another plane, that is, we are not talking about a serial one production, that is, there are certain batches that

fit together, certain batches did not fit, and we say that the aviation cabonism will already be more difficult over time, what ... now they are trying to do what they did with the 460, which they showed there they upgraded , they installed liquid crystal screens, and they think that due to this they updated, that is , you press this button on the display, they start the mechanisms of the 80s, they have radio stations for pilots, rescue stations, radio stations that are from the year 57, just a repackaged new one plastic body, so actually, i say they just have a lot of it, they... bombard us with people, they can afford to bomb their belgorod with their bombs, and the east, the constant east of missiles, these are also problematic catapults that they have on rockets, which are also old. they were developed in the 80s and 70s and they have not changed, they put these catapults on the modern su-34, su-35 aircraft. and by the way, if we talk about

components, how do you explain the fact that recently american and european politicians began to reproach china that its dual-purpose products are precisely restoration of the russian military-technical complex, which china can supply, is critically important for the russian military industry, most of the means that were produced. at one time in china were copied well by the chinese, and there is a large nomenclature base of high-tech elements that china still produces due to copying in the west or from the soviet union in the west, in the west, a large number, well, we know, the same iphone is produced there in china, you think they didn't copy sweat, so there is actually a big one the number of elements that china once copied. and they make copies, well, of course, there are representatives of the chinese industry who do good things, and there are those who do, who do not work very long, as a result of which we

see, for example, when the same korean missiles deviated significantly from the course, fell somewhere else, but they didn’t work, well , we also see when the same x101 missiles take off there, don’t release the engine and fall like a full-falling bomb on the territory of the russian federation, that’s exactly why i... we we see, remember the first massive shelling, most of the planes fired from the caspian sea area, now that we have engelsk, vologadonsk, even voronezh, here 22m3 are flying in from the crimea, well, of course, on the tu-23, because they release kh22 missiles, which kh22 or x32, which have a shorter range than the x101, x-55, x101 missiles, increased the explosive part, added a second one. part of why they developed something more substantial, stable dorebo, for example, more interesting means of navigation, they will make it so that there is more explosion and one

rocket, that is, we see, now earlier, how 14, 15, 16 flights were launched, which were in the 95s, now two are launched from alini, five are launched from engels, because they have greater explosive capabilities, these seven than 14 used to have, so it is possible, because they. they understand that they still have to fight with nato, they need to protect these planes that can launch missiles at 400 km, you understand, that is, what was the point of using, it is like using strategic ballistic, nuclear missiles against ukraine, which can fly across the atlantic, they would use them in ukraine, that is they also use these x101, x55 missiles, which, in principle, can from the caspian sea to... and if the west manages to influence china, will it really reduce the capabilities of the russian

military-industrial complex or not, but from the point of view of practical , and they will do without chinese components or not, they will not do without chinese components, they will try to look for an opportunity again, well, they are doing it now, they are still through bypassing companies, the same china. companies purchase large quantities from european and american companies that deliver gray imports, gray imports, yes, well, let's remember the soviet times, when they imported a bunch of various japanese tape recorders and other things, but bypassing any possibilities, that is, they worked and will work in they have very good good opportunities, experience is good, so actually what was in small numbers. and only started in soviet times, these tools are now quite widespread, even in information warfare, let's be honest, the russians now have much more

tools than there were during the times of the soviet union, well, because completely different technologies have appeared, it is not for you to speak on the radio and publish a newspaper, well, yes, so if, as they say, if goebbels had all these technologies, in me, by the way, i am joking that probably goebbels worked for some time somewhere in the kremlin bunkers after the war, if goebbels had these technologies, we would not even... know who lost the war, but we were sure that everything was won a long time ago , but in any case, listen, information war, information war, we are wars are won on the battlefield, and not on newspaper pages, that is clear, but not always, not always, because in fact, the informational component is very important, and the informational component, we can say that it can lead to certain economic difficulties in any which state with the correct setting, informational there. the influence of messages and everything else, so in fact, we see, for example, what happened in the united states before the elections, we see what is happening in europe now, that is, there is still, let's... well, in

russia, it actively affects the information the space of europe, the united states and a large number of countries. well, the question here is to what extent this can be resisted, given that we are dealing with an authoritarian country where people, in general, mostly trust the official media and with democratic countries where people are looking for different points of view. well, i mean, for example, some articles in the same new york times have surprised me lately, you know, because when the new york times writes that our f-16 trainee pilots are learning english, well... well yes learn aviation english, there is such an aviation english language, which involves a set of terminology that pilots communicate with each other, communicate with ground services, communicate in short phrases for , this is probably civil aviation pilots, the first thing they do, who fly on international flights, and military pilots don’t really need it, as i understand it correctly, aviation english is military, aviation english is necessary, because we are transitioning to a new type of aircraft and there is a certain, well there was, i mean before it was not needed, well

yes, that's why, for example, when they ask me... what about the feet, the imperial system, i say, well, listen, in 2003, we already flew by feet, when i was flying, we were already when we flew abroad , we had already flown on these, that is, we had no questions about these lists, well, i am not a military person, i am on a military transport flight and it would have been all over well when we flew there to ramsteim, when we flew to natsivsk, and i have certificates all english kao, that is, i have this certificate, i understand that there are certain, and therefore ... for civil aviation military, is it one and that certificate? no, it is different, because there are certain terminologies that require something a little different for the military, well, if we are talking about ec, it is generally for civil aviation, but it does not surprise you that, in principle , our military pilots did not pass this aviation english , when we studied at the respective universities there in krypnytsia, and well, kharkiv aviation institute and, well, come on, i graduated in

2001, we studied english. well, it's an airplane, if a person there might not know an airplane, well, let's be honest, that's it english and go quietly to work as an engineer at the company, we understand it perfectly, yes, but it is a plane, if it falls, i apologize, well, it will fall, if you don’t know something, well, if you don’t know something , you'll click on something. that's why i 'm trying her, it's not a joke, i just want to understand the level of qualification, so i agree that when we read such texts in the new york times, it also surprises me, no, well , she talked to romanians there anyway, and let's let's be honest, because it there was an article about the romanian air base, which was only recently opened in order to train pilots there, and regarding this air base, regarding this air base, there were long negotiations, is it necessary, will they

study there in ukraine? because in fact the pilot retraining program for the f-16 is designed for two years, there are from the officers of the combat control of the technical staff, pilots who have combat experience, pilots without experience, cadets who have just graduated, for example, there are also trained on light aircraft flights, so it's actually a big program, and of course when they tell us, well , we'll get there in a year, we'll get it in two years, well, yes, well, definitely, that is, we'll have a certain batch of pilots there in two years. year, someone can already fly, well, someone has already heard something, they are already flying there, you understand, that is , in fact, the issue here is that some information is quite sensitive, and here it is necessary to keep informational silence in these matters, i constantly say that as soon as f-16 will appear, you are guaranteed to see it on the battlefield, but by the way, there is another story with foreign specialists, how important is it really, we heard that taurus, let's say, ukraine can't

get it, then... because foreign management is needed, it's true, taurus, the carrier of taurus is the swedish saab, gripon, uhu, tom, or us rework, our dry, which will carry them, the f16 cannot, because the f16 is jasams, we need a different aircraft, and this is... uh, the gripon sweden once promised that when they join nato, they will give us these airplanes, but in principle, i have a problem with the carrier, well, the carrier really, because here we also need carriers to get those who will be able to perform these tasks, because it is not enough to get weapons, we need carriers, well, what would happen, and what would happen to atakams missiles, if we did not have launchers, here we are talking about what,

in fact, ok, taurus is actually very pretty.