let go, take it to new technological tracks, but when i read banal things about the fact that, in fact, in two years of war, we have not moved in drones, well , fundamentally, unfortunately, we have not moved, yes, and there are calls all the time, and now there are appeals to volunteers, to mayors of cities, in any way, drones, drones, anything, but this is not our industry, not our state procurement, they can't quickly, they can ... provide it, well, questions arise, there are questions about what ukraine can really do, well, at least, plus the fact that it did not fall our economy, and it shows some growth, uh, they, well, at least deductions go to the budget, at least jobs are saved, and overpayments go to suppliers, that is, at least the economy is breathing, well, here is this positive. at least, this

is what i see during the two years of the war, but a radical change of the model, well, unfortunately, i did not see, maybe yaroslav saw, or mrs. yevgenia, thank you, mrs. yevgenia, does ukraine need a wartime economy or a war economy economy, as it is in russia, and whether changes are approaches to the economy and, accordingly, the approaches of politicians to economic policy, well , i think that in general... society will not like it very much that we have such rules as in russia, and we are still a democratic country, despite the martial law, war and aggression, but let's let's really talk, but what do we mean by the words economy, wartime or war economy, every hryvnia, every penny that the ukrainian budget earns, everything goes to the army, to the purchase of weapons, to salaries there, well, that is, completely to the provision of the forces security and defense, we do not spend

no funds that we borrow or receive as non-returnable grant aid, these are all customs duties, some excise duties, taxes and so on, that is, we no longer have a peaceful economy, because all our peaceful expenses are borrowed funds, which we will be forgiven later, we will still pay something, but with the understanding that we are there in partnership. under the conditions they were taken, but with regard to military production, i will allow myself to disagree with my colleague, because we have great breakthroughs in drones, and when we are happy there and read news about the next nps, that is ukrainian drones are flying, or ukrainian naval drones are shooting down the black sea fleet, in terms of the number of fpv drones, that is, there will be a shortage of small drones, so... and everyone says that

there is an additional need now, and you know why there still won't be enough, because in fact , the munitions industry, including it is very good that these are private manufacturers, there should be such, there are such in the whole world, in america, this is, large private companies produce weapons, we do not have enough of these funds, because we do not earn enough to buy back all the weapons we produce for the countries, just in time for the 24th a year is not enough to buy out of or plan some. moreover , long-term contracts with ukrainian arms manufacturers are 10 billion dollars, well, if you multiply uah 390 billion like this, it is a large amount, it is obvious that there may be such an additional plan of cooperation with or a way of cooperation with partners, this is when they give money and we we spend them in ukraine, of course it is more difficult to sell, especially to the americans, because they want the money to work in their economy, but for example with denmark there is already such a first contract... that is,

they allocate funds and these funds will spent in ukraine. in the same way, canada also allocated a small amount there, by the way, specifically for drones for ukrainian manufacturers. this, of course , could be an additional way out, so that we would have more of our weapons and they would arrive quickly, because we don’t have to think about how it goes through poland or where, and it was also jobs, because in fact in the sector there in the military-industrial complex, if i'm not mistaken, 300,000 people are currently working and this number is constantly growing. thank you, ms. yevgenia, mr. yaroslav, you definitely can to say to what extent it is expedient to reformat the economy in the current conditions, or whether it is necessary from the point of view of taxes, er, duties, various payments, i.e., to what extent the military economy in the conditions of war can be pivotal, since there is a constant need for weapons, and there is a need... for weapons, to what extent it

can become the generator that will constantly support our economy, that is , we can't constantly live at the expense of there... weapons and other countries? well, look, first of all, it seems to me that when the discussion about the imaginary military economy comes up, it is this one the debate is so 80 years out of date, because thank god we are not in the situation that countries were in during the second world war, let me remind you, even the same great britain, they literally forced to kill domestic animals in order to not to feed them, because... the limited resources that went there under a certain blockade, including in order to provide for the military, we have such a problem, like many other problems , due to the limitation of such resources, yes we don't have, and this can be said

about everything else, that's why the model we have now works, i agree here, it is quite reasonable, and, all things being equal, i have never heard... even from ukrainians, and not from any international experts, partners, and conventional world leaders there, including in the military sphere, that we need to radically revise something, how the economy works now, is our military-industrial complex, it is developing strongly enough at the same level that they often try to hit it with russian missiles. they are being built, often underground facilities, there would be more of them and there would be more, probably equipment, there would be better, but as it is, there is what we call a new sphere, which has shown its effectiveness on the example of the black sea, the so-called miltec, these are

the same drones, these are rebs, these are many other things that, to put it mildly, surprised the world, and now even large countries with... an absolute advantage in the fleet, using the example of russia, realized that a naval drone assembled somewhere in chernivtsi can very quickly change their dominance situation on a specific perimeter of the sea, and this is what ukraine is doing, there is a production of banal projectiles, and i have not heard of it here from the producers, and i sometimes have the opportunity to communicate with them in order to understand how we can help, in that they are not able to... they did not sow, did not collect crops, but sent them to military industrial facilities, well, that is, first of all , production is already automated, secondly, there are completely different problems, for example,

the lack of gunpowder and something else, and here it is precisely the most such a thin line where we have to react very quickly, for example, today was... the parliament, we do it, frankly speaking , for explosives, things like that, well , it seems to me that everyone joins in, and accordingly , where necessary, we reduce customs duties, we remove them, where necessary we... denmark, canada, i hope there are other countries there. why did these countries

decide to go the way of financing a defense order, or certain orders in ukraine. yes, it's banal, because no one else in the world produces it, it shows what we have. this process is built effectively enough now, of course, it has to be better, of course there are many shortcomings, problems, we can talk about them for hours, but the fact is on the scoreboard, i'm sorry if the whole world understood that one way or another, but in ukraine it will be done faster, even than in the same germany , in denmark or even more so in the united states, we are not on an island, we have... all taxes and duties, they too, actually go to the war later, 99%. we have western aid which finances all other expenses, we have military aid from many countries, the largest being the united states, but we must not forget about many

of our other european and non -european partners who provide this assistance. therefore, do we need to radically rebuild something? i am saying an unpopular opinion, i think... the conversation about the military economy is more imaginative and theoretical than practical, whether we need to improve the existing processes , yes, of course, we need to do it, and here you are. just the personnel changes, i don't think that anything will change, i hope it will change everything for the worse in rusma, but right away it is clear why it happened in our enemies, as well as in ours, unfortunately, a huge amount of the budget goes to military, military needs, so they accordingly want to strengthen and strengthen control over financial flows and the efficiency of their use, i hope... all this will not work, thank you, mr. yaroslav, but we are talking about personnel changes, of course in russia,

because there, they are trying to redistribute positions in one circle, in us, well , the announced changes partially took place, and in a very strange way, that oleksandr kubrakov, who was vice prime minister and minister , found out about his dismissal from... a decision of the verkhovna rada or from some committee meeting to which he was invited, he said that he did not understand what was happening, he did not speak with the prime minister, against the background of this they are saying about the fact that there will be some reforms in the government, and the ministries will be divided again, which then reduced it to a pile and there will be some center of the government, mr. oleksiy, for you, as for the former? minister and member of the government, you understand the logic of what

is happening in the government, what function is the government currently performing, or the function that is simply written in the constitution, and everything is clear, are there any things happening that require additional explanation, well, at least by the prime minister of ukraine, if not by the prime minister of ukraine, then by president zelenskyi. well, of course, unfortunately, in this decision, personnel and structural. i mean the separation of the ministries again, it was announced, the staffing took place in our country, there are now two acting positions, one in the ministry of mines, one in the ministry of agriculture, one in the ministry of infrastructure, but the decision on the separation itself, well, there is no one yet, and i am from this i conclude that there is no government pictures, because if there was, they would have instantly... given the appropriate resolutions, appointed which acting responsibilities and would begin to divide,

any division, redistribution of ministries is half a year of work, well, half a year is lost, it slows down the process categorically, and i , unfortunately, i can state that as they were united without any logic, no one will convince me that at that time there was a need for a mini-infrastructure, which it is clear what... should have been involved in it there, first of all, there was the railway , other infrastructure enterprises and united with the ministry, which was supposed to deal with regional policy, the same utility company, which was completely forgotten about, so please pay attention, because it is painful for me, the term housing and communal economy and the state of problems have completely disappeared from the name of the ministry today there is a huge, in general, a complete collapse there, primarily a debt disaster. debts for gas, debts in the difference in tariffs and so on and the like are accumulating. from what do i draw conclusions? kubrakov

showed himself to be not bad, i guess, well, i'm for of the current ruling team, as a manager who can build something, that is, in the position he headed there, this autodor, he showed that it is possible to enter the great construction program, you can cut ribbons, you can start roads, i don't want to be there... - these are always unclear estimates, always someone is dissatisfied, always accusations that there are kickbacks, money is being laundered , etc. kubrakova is more of a question, this as for the highest political leadership that had to be built before the war, we will definitely be before this analysis, well, we will come back, we will not get anywhere, you know, the shelter of fortifications or roads or other things. and so it happened, kubrakov was appointed, i do not get into

the internal kitchen, but from this resignation, well , it is absolutely, well, wrong, it is not state, it was simply that there was no application, the committee did not consider it, the government did not submit it, here is just a draft resolution about , that it is necessary to release kubrakov, and for some reason the council began to worry, how will they divide the ministry back, although it's definitely not... a matter for the council, because it's a matter for the government and the prime minister, you know, to develop a management model, why, i think, everyone already guesses what the problem is, it's a very difficult case , but the fact that... he will not add positivity at this moment, well, for me it is clear, i will give you a small example, it was created on april 8, oh, may 8, the headquarters for preparing for the winter was created and the head of the headquarters was appointed, what do you think , who is the minister of the vice-prime minister kubrakov, the ninth, by the way,

i am part of that headquarters in the same way as the first deputy head of the polish army. committee and i understand what needs to be done there, on may 9, kubrakov is fired, and as a result , the headquarters, winter is approaching, the headquarters is not as if created, the head of the headquarters for preparations for winter is not there, well, such a tragic-comic situation, unfortunately, it is definitely not for me pleases, yes, i personally have no antipathies to kubrakov, i liked him as a person and i communicated with him, but i do not understand the whole structure, he is some kind of child, well, childish. games, you know, in such a difficult time, sorry for the frankness, thank you, thank you, mr. oleksiy, ms. yevgenia, you know exactly why kubrakov was dismissed, you voted for oleksandr's resignation, i did, i voted for his resignation, and when i voted, i rather supported the decision to split the ministries, to have

a separate ministry of regional policy, by the way, i absolutely agree with my colleague kocherenko that housing and utilities has lost somewhere. and it should be, because the problems will only grow and the issue of preparing for winter, that too, including housing and communal services, which we need right now to reconfigure, as to why this happened so quickly, well, such is the political process, and this was also part of the political process, but i am very much looking forward to the information about the division of the ministry, i understand that they are looking for and... . legal entities and also, well, i agree that there were mistakes in this unification, unification, the specialized ministry of our humanitarian policy committee also went through some processes of unification, then unification, i know how it affects, let's say , on the working capacity of the legal entity as it is ministry, and i would like to say that

the humanitarian policy committee is very against it, if somewhere the ministry of culture wants to be involved in something or to disband it, we did not discuss it, that the ministry should still be preserved, i apologize, was it some kind of sound or i will just ask , please tell me, ms. evgenia, was there a formal appeal by the prime minister regarding the fact that the government plans to divide the ministries, or from them, there was nothing formal from the government, and it turns out to be just an initiative, well, a group of deputies who... developed a draft of this resolution and so quickly passed it through the hall, well, we had a meeting of the faction together with the prime minister, and he is alive with flesh and blood, he said about it, i don't know whether you consider this a formality or not, because it it was not formalized, of course, by some kind of letter on the side, but well, i believe my eyes and ears, and i am a witness, so to speak, a witness of these words,

well, and that is exactly why... the deputies who voted for the separation of the ministries are waiting with great anticipation, when it will happen and even more so any discussions with about the candidacies, because actually i would be happy to vote, if we are talking about the ministry of infrastructure, i would be happy to vote for the same kobrakov to work in this field, he is very good at it and well, i can only to thank him there, starting really with work. from ukraautor and then from the ministry of infrastructure and then this large ministry, but unfortunately, as the brochure shows, the practice when such ministries are created, i don’t want to say how not monsters, probably, and such big supergiants of the ministry, then there is always some direction that is less in the priority of the minister, or he just, well, somehow, professionally did not deal with

it before, he really falls out, and it can be expected that this can be handled by a department or some one deputy , well... it turns out that what cannot, and, well, then these separations begin again, the same, by the way, was the case with the ministry of agrarian policy, when it was first united with by the ministry of economy, and then we need to do land reform, we don't have a ministry, well they made the ministry of agrarian policy. thank you, ms. evgenia, mr. yaroslav, how do you assess the efforts to reformat or create another center of government. i don't fully understand either, because in 30 years of journalism i have seen these reformattings, regroupings of state secretaries, non -state secretaries, very... there were many different movements in the government, but everything came back to one thing in the end. we haven't had a minister of culture for six months, we can't

appoint one, where are the months, i count months, nine, well, in nine months it would be a new minister of culture and information policy should be born, there is a war, and the question is, why do we not have a leader in this war, if we rely on information policy. ministry, well, i have many questions, obviously you, as a people's deputy and one of the leaders of the faction, have a voice, no less questions about this? look, it seems to me that our government is pushing the problem. mr. kubrakov was fired because they wanted to fire him, everything else is, to be honest, an extremely incomprehensible creativity for me, which is nothing like e. well strange movements and heroic solutions to problems that were just as heroically created literally a year ago, it does not look like, so

forgive me if we have problems with regional politics, but literally two days later i saw on the internet pictures from the regional forum and there they directly stated about some successes at the level of top officials of the country, who recently... and also talked about problems in regional politics, but again, i am more than convinced that mr. kubrakova was released because there was such political will, not at the level of the faction, i do not want to offend the servant of the people faction here, but i would like to remind you that even with maryana bezvukla, they could not dismiss the deputy from the post of a position that no one needed, by the way, the deputy head of the specialized committee, therefore, believe in the amnesty about that suddenly in one day they were able to convince everyone, to release... well, excuse me, i have probably been in politics long enough not to believe in a fairy tale at such a level, i will neither criticize nor defend mr. kubrako, i will say

only one thing, i have not seen such a thing for a long time sharp reaction of international partners to personnel decisions in in ukraine, this will have consequences, and not because of what some media and telegram channels write, there is the closeness of mr. kubrako, where... ministries, oh, look, embassies simply banal because this ministry somehow managed a huge a bunch of projects that involved a large number of donors, and when they learn about it from the internet, to put it mildly, it does not strengthen ukraine's ability to further attract money, how will the current government come out of this, well, i think that today at a closed meeting, including from and yesterday, they had to provide for it any answer publicly, i understand that we will not hear it for a long time. now, as for the reformatting of the cabinet of ministers. i am sincerely

convinced that any unification, separation of the ministry is extremely stupid, which ends with the fact that we simply spend public funds on accountants and lawyers, and a bunch of notarial procedures because we... a year of them we connect, then just as heroically for a year we disconnect them, modern examples of the ministry of economy, agrarian policy, ministry of energy, ecology, ministry of information policy, culture, the ministry of infrastructure and regional policy, it can be continued, i am not surprised that now the ministry of infrastructure will be attached to some vice prime minister, well, it will be as logical as all other mistakes made by the government. i don't want to disappoint either government officials or our tv viewers, but the number of officials on whom we then spend money from the state

budget, due to the fact that we combine some ministries, changes by exactly one position, this position is called a minister, well that approximately 60-70 00 uah, this is all the savings, we will spend much more on notary services for everything else, now about the center of government and... the idea has been discussed for a long time, if possible, invest in 30 seconds, because we have a timekeeping system, she, in it has a certain logic, but it is a significant strengthening of the prime minister, i do not believe that the office of the president will give the prime minister such powers, but at least all the actions were the opposite. thank you, mr. yaroslav, thank you ladies and gentlemen for participating in the program, evgenia kravchuk, oleksiy kucherenko and yaroslav zheleznyak were guests today's program. during this broadcast, we conducted a survey. we asked you about whether ukraine should ask its partners to deploy troops on the territory of the ukrainian state, so the results of our television survey on the screen are 94%, yes 8%, 6%, no, on

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