the russian occupying power, but at the same time we see how they continue to build fortifications in the northern region of crimea, this is how you evaluate these actions of the russian occupiers, can they really be effective, or is it just, well, you know, this kind of money laundering from the russian occupying power authorities, aksyonov's authorities in crimea, you know, here... on purpose for everything possible, and laundering and so on, but in view of the processes currently taking place in moscow, related to purges in the ministry of defense, here can be trying really something to build, because they understand there, because if the war started in crimea, it can end there, that is, the loss in crimea will be very painful for the kremlin dictator personally, and that is why they are still trying to build something...

designed to stop the offensive of the armed forces. we already saw this last year, when they stopped, well, or suspended, if we say so, our offensive, well, for various reasons we did not succeed, but next time we will take into account the mistakes and miscalculations of the past and do everything possible, besides crimea , well, he is not like that non attack such a fortress that cannot be taken, no matter who built it there, historical experience shows that everyone who attacked crimea later captured it, one way or another, it was done in different ways, by different means, but nevertheless, all this led in the end, until the capture of crimea and the resolution of the issues of the side that attacked, it will be the same this time, because... in the stony

crimea, something will be built that will be impregnable, impossible, and what they will build, well, everything that built by man, can also be destroyed by man, as is known, this is roughly how it looks, mr. volodymyr, and the question regarding the naval forces, well, in this case, the russian naval forces on the crimean peninsula, do they still have warships there, or have all the warships been withdrawn to. .. to russian and other ports, and if they remain, how do they hide them from ukrainian naval drones, do they build any additional obstacles, do they hide them between non-civilian ships, or are there any other tricks that we do not know about? we have two minutes, mr. volodymyr, the opponent leaves a certain number of ships, mainly in sevastopol, they are there for repairs, they receive combat equipment there,

carry out some transports, this is what the vdc does, they really do, they mask them, first of all , with nets near the berths, so that they are not visible, what is there and why, they are constantly being rearranged, the damaged ones, the ships are placed where the undamaged ones stood, between civilian ships, between auxiliary ones, so that a rocket, here is the last example, was when a commune rescue ship was attacked, accidentally... a rocket, she was going to another destination, well, this is such a thing, this is war, but the enemy hides against ships in ports only because they are afraid of going to sea, they carry out transportation at night, they check the route ahead of them in advance, they control everything, that is, it is the usual transportation, novorossiysk sevastopol turns for them into a whole operation with the involvement of aviation, surface, underwater forces there and so on, i am not talking about... a launch vehicle under the sea, this

happens very rarely, and it also turns into an operation that fixed immediately with our reconnaissance means, but for now we are waiting for the appearance of means of destroying underwater carriers, so we will wait further. thank you very much, mr. volodymyr, choksaglon, for taking the time to join our broadcast, volodymyr zablotsky was in direct contact with us, a naval expert of defense express, the captain of the first. retired morning, thank you, but we are not saying goodbye to you, we have a short break, later in this studio will be historian, tv presenter and journalist gulnara abdullayeva, we will talk about the anniversaries deportations of the genocide of the crimean tatar people, do not switch, see you soon.

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broadcast of the first... crimean-tatar tv channel atr and tv channel espresso. i, guls khalilova, work for you in the studio, and my colleague andrii yanitsky is in direct contact with us. in this block of our program, we will talk about the anniversary of the deportation, the anniversary of the genocide of the crimean tatar people. yes, and, but before we get to the topic, i would like to remind you that this broadcast is also broadcast on youtube channels atp and espressa. and if... you're watching it on youtube, be sure to like it, subscribe, bell, set, comment on this episode on youtube, it is very important for other people to see this broadcast as well, this is how internet technologies work, well, may 17, apparently, it was

the last day in 1944, when the crimean tatars laid down to sleep, not suspecting that... what awaits them on may 18 already in the morning, all these horrors that then befell the crimean tatar people by order of... the dictator stalin, and for the next 50 years at least, the crimean tatars lived in the hope of returning home, returning to crimea, and today 80 years have already passed, but this pain, it will never be forgotten, and especially after the occupation of crimea in 2014, we see how the russian... the occupying power de facto continues the hybrid deportation

of the crimean-tatar people. we will talk about this today with historian, journalist and tv presenter gulnara abdulaeva. she is with us in the studio now. we welcome you. silam aleikom. andrii, i 'll start then. and then you will go ahead and ask your questions. okay, you don't mind. yes, of course, of course. so. gulnar khanov, well, i would like to start with such a general question, and how the ussr was preparing for the deportation of the crimean tatars, and why exactly in 1944 stalin sought to simply evict the crimean tatar people from the peninsula. this is more than, if i am not mistaken, 200 thousand people at that time. and among them only the elderly, women and children, because the best sons of this nation. will be the men of the majority, they already fought on the fronts of the second world war, and stalin

simply had an opportunity to deport an entire people at this time, because this is exactly the moment, and of course this deportation, it was prepared for more than one year, and of course it had to be some reason, it's a pretext to deport the crimean tatars, and we only know that there are documents that in april there was a... the document was submitted for stalin's signature to deport the crimean tatars as an anti-soviet element, who inhabit, who cooperated with the occupiers and so and so, but in fact it was simply the same reason, that fear of this people, which is worth something because it is the indigenous people of this peninsula, stalin had, as we know, his plans for the peninsula, but it started all this... a long time ago, since stalin's repressions of 1938, at that time there were already such

slogans that crimea without crimean tatars, that is , crimea, ugh, should be, was cleansed of this soviet element, as they expressed it then, and we know that, for example, on april 17, 1938 almost the entire crimean tatar intelligentsia had already been shot, and then in the 39th year, as we know, the second world war began and... of course, this moment was postponed, because we know that already in the 41st , at the end of 41-42 crimea was completely occupied by the germans, and then there was also a partisan movement in crimea itself, which was led by makrausov and martynov, and they did not cope with this partisan movement, i will not go into historical realities, how the germans entered the peninsula and that there was practically no one to defend it. how they very quickly occupied it,

the partisan movement was a failure, but so that they did not recognize their right, and they wrote a report to the kremlin that the crimean tatars were to blame for everything, that is, they did not support, they cooperated with the germans and the like, and so on this report was taken into account, but of course nothing can be done they could not, that crimea was occupied, then already... they were the second ukrainian front crimea was completely liberated in the spring of 44, the crimean tatars, like other peoples who inhabited the crimea, they gave birth to victories, they did not see any difference between red army soldiers, yes, red army soldiers, and nkvd soldiers, who later after the second ukrainian front , they entered crimea, because the deportation operation was already being prepared, and these 32... or nkvd soldiers, they started the same terrible terror. at first, as we know, there was a census

the population that they led, the crimean tatars, of course, did not suspect anything, like everyone else, because it happened in such a very secretive way, well, that is, it is a tradition of the kremlin to keep it very secretive, and there was no information, and i i also want to emphasize that at that time there was a lot, the fact that crimea was liberated. and many crimean tatars, who happened to be in the war and who were nearby, were given vacations, and they were in crimea at that time, they were on vacation, and we know that the historical figure is... ametan sultan was also given three days to be with his family on vacation at home, but all this was done on purpose so that the terrible occupation was really already being prepared, and that is the cynical thing about this deportation, so that these soldiers, well the crimean tatars, they didn't count, they were soviet soldiers and the nkvd, they

didn't count it, and they often fed them. the same soldiers, and these same nkvd soldiers, who were supposed to come to their homes in the morning, had dinner with the crimean tatars in the evening, because they invited them, they saw them as liberators from the german occupation, because, well, these were indeed the horrors of the occupation, and on and on the morning at four in the morning, you can practically say to every house, because a lot of people who survived the deportation at four in the morning testify ... they broke into their houses and simply announced that they were collaborators in the name of the soviet union, and at that time the men were still at war, when they came to women, to ordinary elderly people, yes, and to children, yes , by the way, you can say that until the 44th year in crimea there was only

the crimean-tatar language, no matter who inhabited the crimea, except for the crimean tatars, they were russians and ukrainians. all and other nationalities, they all understood the crimean-tatar language, and before that, imagine yourself, at four in the morning, some soldiers rush up to you, say something in russian, which you do not understand at all, and they accuse you of something, and someone was told that they were being taken out for execution, well, this is, for example, on the example of my family, who did not take anything at all, because they said that he the rostral is taken out, others were given 15 minutes, someone was half lucky in the pubes. hours so, well, what could these confused people take with them, well, someone some trinket, someone something valuable, and this is how they took them all out of their homes, and this is not cynical, just as the lendlis was already working, and just as the same people were entering the ssr brand new studebakers and fords on lendlease, and on these studebakers and fords

the crimean tatars were just being taken to the nearest railway station, and there they were already... the same wagons for transporting cattle were waiting for them, and eyewitnesses say that these wagons in general, here they are only cattle were transported there, there was straw with manure, and then people were simply driven away, regardless of people, and it was exactly such a moment, as people also testify, that people, and those who were not transportable, were simply destroyed, physically destroyed, that who resisted, they were also destroyed, simply shot and... those soldiers who were given leave, who said, we fought, we, we , we are traitors, and i just tore off the epaulettes and also said that you are traitors and all this is made up, i.e. they were also deported, those who resisted were also shot, i.e. this there were really such terrible conditions, and if you saw haytarm's film there, yes, it really

conveys such a small part of what really happened, it was just terrible, and here ... in such cattle cars , 67 echelons filled with bats, that is, it was, that is , it was not very much and not very little, so were these 67 echelons, they were sent to central asia and the urals, and to uzbekistan , the majority of the percentages were resettled to uzbekistan, and no one expected crimean tatars there, of course, we don't know the exact data and numbers, how many died in general, because we are from... that this is a very rich figure for in the first years during the deportation and in the first years of exile 46.2% of people died, these data of the national movement of the crimean tatars, who nevertheless researched , and there is also evidence that when, for example, they were brought to uzbekistan, of course

no one was waiting for them there, but the local population, well, they did not know who the zaradniks were in general, yes, and that is why they were told to come to you... go there in general, well, just terrible people, and these legends told them about it there, of course them they were met as enemies, and of course they were treated like that, later they realized that the language was somehow similar, and the faith was the same, and a little bit somehow it got better, yes, but still, it is a different land, it is a different climate, there are a lot of people died and died, and these and the diseases that were there, and then more. there were such documents, and it has been 80 years, a lot of documents have already been declassified, and people who were admitted to hospitals, they, they simply did not, well... did not leave here, because everything was done to them, so that they did not recover, that's a lot of things like that was done, and it’s not for one broadcast, my colleague

andriy has a question, but andriy, uh, if we ’re talking about the intentions of stalin’s leadership, was this intention to destroy the truly crimean tatar nation, dissolve it among other peoples and make, mix it up so that the crimean tatars were completely forgotten. who are they this was really the intention, because there were not millions of crimean tatars, well, for example, like ukrainians, because ukrainians, in principle , could also suffer the same fate, because ukrainians are lucky that there are many of them, they are simply not physically it was possible to evacuate all of them, the crimean tatars were possible, because somewhere more than 200,000 people lived on the peninsula at that time, because we know, as i have already said, there were many men on the fronts of the second world war. and of course, it was done in order to destroy. moreover, when the crimean tatars were already in the cities of deportation, they were forbidden to use the crimean prefix at all.

that is, they were equated with all, well, with all tatars who lived at that time, well, first in the space of the russian empire, then in the rs fsr, that is, there are also kazan, bashkir, siberian, astrakhan tatars, that is, a lot of them, and the crimean tatars were forbidden to use the crimean prefix, that is, we for... 70 years, the crimean, crimean tatar people practically disappeared from history, but at the same time ms. gulnar, the crimean tatars managed to tatars to preserve their identity, and i heard different memories and knew that among themselves, for example, crimean tatars even very carefully mentioned the history of crimea, the history of deportation, deportation, they tried not to tell the children about it, many crimean tatars said, who grew up and were born... in uzbekistan and or in tajikistan, that until a certain age they did not even suspect that there was a deportation, because their parents protected them in this way and tried to protect them from

the repressive communist system, but nevertheless , the memory has been preserved quite powerfully, and in the 90s the process of mass return of crimean tatars began, how was it possible to preserve it, what contributed to this, the ee or mejlis is like itself... is such a structure of self-government unique, are there any folk traditions, or some intellectuals who kept this one memory and her crying, what are the secrets of preserving identity? well, here i can say that our ukrainian identity is very similar, because when we have trouble, tragedy, we consolidate, the crimean tatars also consolidated, they preserved their faith, language, they did not... interfere, well, in principle something there, well, the uzbeks are also muslims , at least, no, a lot of them consolidated here and there so that the peoples would not mix,

so that they would not dissolve, if, for example, separately in the crimea until the year 44 there were three sub-ethnic groups of the crimean tatars, and they are , so now, but they did not mix, these are the southern coasts, those mountainous regions, the steppes, they did not mix with each other until the 44th year, already in deportation, when it was necessary to somehow preserve their people, they naturally already mixed, and i can say that the crimean tatar people are still in the stage of ethnogenesis, that is , formation, that is why we have mixed with the stypoviks and hygoryans here a little, but we are crimean tatars anyway, that is what consolidated us, but i want to note that maybe this is really a separate family, family well, they didn't tell theirs children about such a tragedy, but i can say that the majority of them... still told stories, and the crimean tatars literally from childhood, i can say to the guls, and i, we knew what deportation was from an early age, we experienced it, we already mother's milk, that's how they gave all this, so that we

knew about our tragedy, and it was like that, you know, yes, it's really, maybe, as psychologists still say, that it's such a trauma, but this trauma must be lived in order to heal from her and move on, move on. therefore, as far as i understand, even the 80s were dangerous to talk about it, and to say that stalin’s, even the stalinist regime, was criminal, and there was already a cult of stalin, a cult of power was condemned, but nevertheless it was dangerous to talk about it and condemn the soviet government, that is why i said that not to all children they told because they were simply protecting them, not because they didn't want it... that this information would be preserved, probably they already told it at a more mature, conscious age. when the return started, i wanted to ask about

the return, how easy it is. this was a process in 1991 with the collapse of the soviet union union was so easy to get together and return to crimea, was the procedure for returning the property that was taken from the crimean tatars in the 40s true, we know that this happened in the baltic countries, and was this the case in ukraine, and was it allowed crimean tatars to return to sevastopol, on the southern coast of crimea. did you still have to find a place in the north of crimea and in the steppe part, well, of course no one expected crimean tatars in crimea, of course they said that where will you return, because we know that this has been the case since the 60s, 70s x years there was already such a movement, the national movement of the crimean tatars, and a lot of people already at that time were talking about the need to return, and

what... we were accused of that, and that is , it was such that people were already leaving, some of them were brave people who came out with slogans, return the homeland to the crimean tatars and return the crimean tatars to the homeland, but of course, those people, of course, it was soviet times, and a lot of them came through the camps, prisons, of course for the crimean tatars, it is a dream to return to the crimea was always, and with little we... everyone knew, here are our parents, for example, they knew that they would definitely return, but such a vagrant really was in 1987, when there was such an agency, yes, during the soviet times, tars, which once issued such a document, where, where they said that the crimean tatars are really traitors, there were a lot of traitorous battalions that shot the civilian population, and

mostly they were russians. ukrainians and jews, but it was intentional, and it was stated in that appeal that the crimean tatars are not indigenous the people of crimea, they appeared there since the 13th century, well, this is such a, you know, very, very widespread myth, which, by the way, still resonates, but it was such a vagrant, it was such a, you know, trigger for the crimean tatars , crimean tatars, and they began to leave en masse to moscow, the center at that time, yes. there were still soviet times, and they came out to this red square, they were chased away, they came out to other squares, and they were with posters, they wrote that return the crimean tatars to their homeland, that you accused us, these accusations are not, well, at least i need an apology for these accusations against the crimean tatars, the crimean tatars were knocking on all the doors, a minute remains, i just warn that this was also such a trigger that...

crimean tatars became after these events, the moscow events, that's what they are , and they were already returning to the crimea, and of course, no one was waiting for them, but still, water melts a stone and the crimean tatars achieved the fact that they are still on their native land, and that's what it was like, thank you thank you very much, gulnara khan choksagal, for finding the time and came to our studio today, but i hope that in the next broadcasts of espresso and the atr tv channel, we will meet again for...

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