monetary zone, putin says that they do not want to capture kharkiv, and we are starting to analyze bresh or not, what is the difference, whether he is lying or not, we see what is happening, we see the preparatory actions that are now what this group is doing, which is located north of kharkiv, that they want to capture kharkiv, well, of course , one division with such a large number of people is not able to do it, it takes a lot, it is an army, no less, even the army can't do it better. it is necessary to attract two or three armies there, then it is possible to try, theoretically to try to do it, today i am sure that they just want to get as close as possible to kharkiv, so that they can have it already under artillery fire control, so that they can shoot the self-propelled guns there, well, whatever guns are there they have everything they have, so that not only can you use rockets and flying bombs that shoot at... so that you can, if anything,

use artillery, and that in this way create impossible conditions for the civilian population to be there, so that evacuation began are there any other actions, well, if there are any other actions, if there will be shelling from artillery, then people must be evacuated, especially children must be forcibly evacuated, that is, this is a big problem, and what they say about the first line of defense is that it was impossible to build it along. well, that's right, that's right, but it's presented in such a context that it looks a little bit unclear, this is where our partners start, the prohibitions of the united states to shoot on the territory of russia, oh we see tractors, here you see people, thank you for putting exactly that video, these people are working, imagine that it doesn't matter if there is a border or no border, just imagine that the enemy is 100 m away, 500 m away, it is possible to do it with a tractor if you can fly there. gg from an rpg shot. well, how is it, well

, here we are, this is how it should be built, machinery, bulldozers, excavators should work, they should dig there and so on, people don't dig it up with shovels, you don't pull reinforced concrete there with buckets. well, how can a tractor drive, dig something, at a distance of 200-300 m from the enemy. again, it doesn't matter, there is a border, there is no border. what stuck to this border? the military does not consider administrative borders or political borders at all. for them there is terrain, for them there is an enemy. positioning positions, advancing, maintaining defense, moving, all that, as it is written in military affairs, is for politicians, the border is yes, the administrative borders of donetsk region or luhansk region, there were talks that putin wants to capture them, i have a simple question , someone can show with a finger where on the ground, where, where the administrative border of the donetsk region passes, no one will show, and what the military should orientate on this, they will not orient themselves, where the ponies are... nor the heights, where the lowlands, where, where

it is more convenient to hold a position, from which side it is better to advance, and so on, so from the conversation about what was not built near the border several hundred meters from the enemy, and it could not be built there, even the russians, when they were building their surovikin lines, to insert our intercessory actions half-day, well , almost a year ago, they also built a few kilometers from the contact line from of our troops, if they started to build 100-200 m away, simply disperse they would have disarmed them there and they would not have built anything, here is another question, why was it not so densely mined near the border, is it true or not, that someone tried to demine something there at all, but this needs to be dealt with, and what , that the line should be located, well, definitely not close, built during the war not close to the enemy, well, that’s obvious, that’s right, this edition writes that they couldn’t build, they couldn’t build a border at all, no border at all it is not important to build at a short distance from the enemy. and not here

meaning, we have permission to shoot deep into, well, we would have been given permission, we would have fired at 100 km, what would have changed, that a sniper sitting 100 m away would not have seen that someone there had not fired would, well, what is this, why is this, let's somehow, well, a little already , we already all understand a little about military affairs, well, such blunders, let's somehow, well, let's not allow ourselves to do, mr. major, one more topic that is quite relevant. that night , well, for the russians, there were definitely dozens or hundreds of over a hundred drones attacking and krasnodar krai, novorossiysk toapse and in the temporarily occupied crimea , explosions rang out in sevastopol, the governor, the so-called governor of sevastopol, razvazhaev, said that due to the drone attack, work was suspended under the station in the city at the point of electricity blackout, classes were canceled in all schools, institutions, secondary education and kindergartens

in tuapse, that is in the krasnodar territory, they got into an oil refinery, there was a fire, and actually, well... the night before that , the belbek airfield in the crimea was attacked, where two mig-31 planes and one su-27 were destroyed, how does this affect the capabilities and capabilities of the russian federation in the war with ukraine, do they have these capabilities and resources much more than our capabilities? no, i don't think it's possible to ask the question like that, i think that we... make drones while we don't have permission to shoot, well, that's a separate conversation, here it's not permission, here it's a request, let's talk a little, well, two words about it, there are international rules, rules of customs and traditions of war, and there is an international criminal code, which prescribes what a war crime is and what

cannot be done during war, attacking the enemy objects during an attack on your country where they were not located, the country attacked has the right, so not the united states. neither great britain, nor our other dear partners, they cannot prohibit us from doing what is allowed by international law, because international law is above the domestic legislation, well at least of civilized countries, therefore they cannot prohibit us from doing what we have the right to do by law , they can ask us not to do it, these are different things, they keep telling us the fence, they can't forbid us, they can ask don't do it, well, that's it, about our drones, about what we're doing. with these attacks, we are destroying their infrastructure, we are destroying their logistics, we need to destroy their airfields, especially in crimea, all the airfields that are close to the front line or our border so that there is less opportunity for them to attack

with the same weapons the most powerful, we need to destroy their air defense equipment, well, of course, all military enterprises that are connected with... the armed forces, oil refineries, we already understand that this refined oil, diesel, there is gasoline, other things, everything goes to support the russian army, first of all, so they do not feel a shortage of fuel so far, but if we continue to burn, then i think that there will be a shortage, a shortage will begin, because well, these are serious things, how many factories have already been burned down, thank you, thank you, mr. major, it was oleksiy hetman, a reserve major of the national guard of ukraine, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live there, please subscribe to our pages, like this video so that it can be promoted in youtube trends, and take part in our survey, today we are asking you

about whether the uocmp burdens the national security of ukraine , yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have a separate opinion, please write it in the comments under this video, if you ... sit in front of the tv and watch us on tv, then take smartphones or phones and vote if you believe that the national security of ukraine is threatened by the pcmp. 0800-211-381, no, 0800-211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we have yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics. mr. yevgeny, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. congratulations, mr. serhiy, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. let's start our conversation, mr. evgeny , with the topic of the ukrainian orthodox church and today's event, which, to which have been going on in kyiv for quite some time, the demolition

of the orthodox mafu on the site of the tithe of the church in kyiv. this chapel, the scandalous chapel, was built in 2007, and it was... legally built by believers of the uoc mp near the foundations of the davnyorska ot tithe church i mentioned in the unesco buffer zone. the state executive service of ukraine ensured the execution of the court decision on the dismantling of an illegal structure on the territory of the national museum of the history of ukraine. the uoc-mp called the demolition of the chapel illegal, as it allegedly took place without the involvement of anyone documents to the register of executive proceedings. how do you perceive this story with this illegal chapel, and in general with the work of the ukrainian orthodox church in the territory of ukraine, it is not for nothing that we ask our viewers and tv viewers whether the ukrainian orthodox church threatens the national security of ukraine, this topic, it seems to me, also needs

a solution, just like this chapel in the pcmp, that is , you need to wake up at a certain moment in the morning and hear that... the pcmp in our country, as a church that threatens the national security of ukraine, has ceased to exist. we cannot do that, because it must be the decision of the verkhovna rada councils and the verkhovna rada, although the majority in it, frankly speaking, is afraid to make this decision, because there are, including in the monomajority, agents of influence of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, i think it is more correct to call it that, there is such a canadian lawyer, a lawyer by the name of lawyer, who scares ukrainian deputies almost with international courts and international sanctions. and their legal awareness is insufficient to explain what is happening. on the one hand, there is a legal

norm that the church is separated from of the state on the other hand, already 10 years ago, militants with the chevrons of the russian orthodox army were running around in the ukrainian donbas, shooting local protestants in slavic. that's why i don't see. there is nothing dramatic in the fact that this, this illegal structure was dismantled and taken away, i don't see any problems, i know that there were, well, let's say, there were different deadlines when it was supposed to be done, obviously, some operational game was going on around this, because no it's a secret that supporters of the roc in ukraine, they work in various... structures of the authorities, but i'm glad that it is ended, because i do not think that

such an orthodox, russian-orthodox abscess should exist on the foundation of a tithe church , i'm sorry, you said that the verkhovna rada should make such a decision, but if this church threatens the national security of ukraine, can it should be a decision of the nsdc, we see that... the council is not in a hurry to do it, well, you understand, if the decision of the nsdc, then it should be introduced by a presidential decree, given the way the law on mobilization was passed, i think that the president will be discouraged from adopting such a decision, that's why i'm skeptical about it and think that we still have other problems waiting for us and... after all, it should be a decision of the verkhovna rada, i wonder why

it's not happening, why we, even after gundyaev blessed putin with a new kingdom, all the same, not a peep from the mouths of our people's elected officials. it's strange to me, and i don't understand it, although i wouldn't say that i'm a person who is... deeply involved in church affairs, but i understand that in conditions where war and confrontation go beyond cities, beyond ideas, beyond all similarly, it is simply necessary to give credit and pay attention to the church hostile to ukraine. without a doubt, you have already mentioned the law on mobilization, the law that makes changes to the accounting and to... the very system of mobilization in ukraine, today the ministry of defense presented the mobile application

reserve plus, that is, this electronic cabinet for conscripts and reservists , and on may 18, this application must be operational for 60 days up to and including july 16, all conscripted men must update their credentials at the tsk, or in this application. petro lazutkin, spokesman for the ministry of defense of ukraine, explained that this application will reduce the burden on tcc, where there are currently long queues. let's listen to what dmytro lazutkin said. we expect that this will significantly relieve the tsc, because it is convenient, it is fast, and it eventually expands the range, that is, it allows to disperse these people. in these institutions, to predict the influx of people, in fact, well, it is very difficult,

because, well, for many reasons, for many reasons, but let's not forget that 60 days is quite a long time, there is no need or legislative requirements to do it this very weekend, that's right, that is, people have time, mr. yevgeny, dmytro lazutkin is an optimist. but looks at the fact that within two months it will be possible to re-register all conscripted men in the tcc in a different way. now there are whole queues lined up to the tcc and we can see. in the kyiv districts, there are definitely enough of these lines and many men, how do you see this whole story with mobilization now, will there be any corrections, will zelensky later interfere in this process and say: listen, let's make changes to the legislation there, because we don't have time, is

this entire system of the tsk ready for this, because we know that the tsk are not tsnaps, but former military leaders, well, with the answer. post-soviet consequences, well, it so happened that in the period from january to may, i had to pass the military medical board and clarify my documents, and that is, so to speak , i am already registered in the oberig system, and it does not hurt, it is absolutely realistic, it is possible, and this i think should... every military man or woman should drink conscripted women do this, it is our civic duty, and it is absolutely normal. the other issue is that i believe that efforts to promote the law on mobilization should be accompanied by various things that

should go accordingly. in the information field, i believe that the video that was released by the ministry of defense is coming. kyrylo tymoshenko himself admitted that it is an american video that will be repeated in ukrainian realities, well, this is not what a country that predicted more than 800 days ago that it will disappear after of the first strike of russia, that is, not in the sense of... cultural, that is, artistic qualities, in the sense that there should be dozens of various such motivational videos, they should, well, from every iron, from every table lamp, from every mobile phone, sound and encourage before that, that is, to expect that we

will solve everything solely by passing a law, well, in my opinion, this is a little naive, we have to work. more seriously, more systematically, if you want, more modern, it is good that there will be an application, but it is not clear how specifically, well, it is not yet known how concretely and substantively it will work, there must be constant informational support of this process, and i will also say that mobilization involves a very significant demand for justice, and the more... ordinary citizens will know about the powerful of this world, or their children and relatives who are in the ranks of the armed forces, the more will be successful in mobilization, and you talk about justice, this is literally the story of the last few days, this is the story of booking companies

of several companies of employees of glovo, visa, fawbet. of the online bookmaker office, what do these stories testify to, that is, that we do not have all the levels, that we do not all have to be mobilized or be registered there, someone gets this reservation in some way, systems and criteria for this reservation there is decided in the ministry of economy, and not according to some other criteria, well, that is , no one can understand these criteria until... now, because there are some armored people, and there are unarmored ones. i will say this, mr. sergey, that an imperfect reservation system is better than a system where offer, uh, the possibility to avoid the draft depending on how much you are, what

salary you get, because a draft like that, a principle like that, it's... i don't think it's effective, and it's just going to create a very serious social conflict, within ukraine at the moment there are so many different lines of division in order to say that let's work, well, in this sense, that is, you know, there is another point here, i think that each of us can see. some scandalous video dedicated to the tsc and the work of its representatives, but very little was seen a realistic video about how representatives work. the ccc is in normal conditions, and indeed the company that started with the fact that there are masked people who have already fought, and i

personally saw a person, let's say, who was registering conscripts at the entrance to one of the capital's ccc, who has traces of burns on the face, i don't think this is the result of some, some domestic incident, right, if we have more than 800 days. there is a war going on, and that's why, you know, in my opinion, in the conditions of war, everything should be presented through a personal story, and then it will be more understandable, then it will give the desired effect. if there is no such effect of communication, then it will be extremely difficult to really ensure effective mobilization, that is, you want to say that our authorities lack... the understanding that the tsc and the mobilization process must be accompanied by proper information, support, and not

so, how is it now i want to say that we should not build a small soviet army of the times of the soviet-german war, but we should promote the idea that ukraine is waging a war for independence and defending ukraine. with weapons in the hands, this is an honor for those who are called to the ranks of the armed forces or have overcome the defense forces of ukraine, and this is a message that should be spread in dozens, maybe hundreds of different informational messages, through different channels of information dissemination, through different groups and to different target audiences , then we can talk about some kind of success. well, to be honest, well, you say everything correctly, but to be honest, it is strange to me that people who came to power at the expense of information and television technologies do not understand such simple

truths, no one is perfect in this world, sir sergey, you know, maybe those people who formed the election campaign in 2019, they are either already fighting, or on the contrary, avoided the draft and are somewhere... outside of ukraine, by the way, this is an interesting story, where are the communicators who worked with volodymyr zelenskyi and the servant of the people party during the 2019 elections. thank you, mr. yevgeny, for the conversation, it was yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics. friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are now watch us there live. please subscribe. to our pages on these platforms, and also take part in our survey. today we ask you about the following: does the ukrainian orthodox church of ukraine threaten the national security of ukraine? we have the intermediate results

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