whether it is in our territory or where he is launching his attacks from? well, the head of the foreign affairs committee of the french parliament , jean-louis bourlange, called on paris to lift the taboo on ukraine sending french weapons to russian territory . , it's time to lift the ban, she still imposed on this issue, as the british and americans did, for what reason can ukrainians be denied the right respond with blows to attacks of which they are victims, the right to self-defense excludes the right to defend the aggressor's territory. mr. volodymyr, why is this discussion taking so long, and why does ukraine have to confirm every time that we need to strike on the territory of the russian federation, because from there they are actually preparing another offensive and preparing another. military convoys, why so, why is this

happening, why do western partners take our arguments so hard? well, you know, we always have to look for some such, i think, facts in history, and two-sided ones relations and in general in world history, which could, you know, advance at least our position and sow doubt. those who cling to this twisted line, well, for example, look, have we forgotten that the americans helped the soviet union with weapons, well, it was like that, lendlease, the soviet union received thousands and thousands of tanks, airplanes, everything that was needed for what , in order to use in the war against germany that the united states of america forbade the soviet army to beat the germans outside... the territory of the soviet union,

outside the borders of that same poland, and in germany itself, no, yes, guys, well , take this banal simple fact, which is known to every schoolboy, and ask the representative of the white house over there, mr. kirby, but what is the difference between what the american weapons used at the time to defeat this beast, so to speak. in his lair, and why now cannot american weapons be used to deter an attack on a sovereign state, you see, well, i support what ms. markarova says, she says absolutely correct, reasonable things, but it seems to me that what sometimes seriously affects the course of negotiations is such a simple, but very murderous argument, to which, well, i think that... that

mr. kirby wouldn't find anything to answer or start swimming, but it's immediately visible, and then it immediately, well, affects the position itself. what is the basis, you ask, mr. serhiy, the basis is, well, i call it a cursed word, escalation, and by the word escalation hides the word fear, and these are two things that paralyze the sober thinking of many people today. both the military in the west and the politicians, they are afraid of the word escalation, they think like this, well, we gave, we gave hymers, but what about on the other side, and on the other side it could be like this, and we gave yes tanks, but what will happen with on that side, we gave f16, and what will happen next, and we will give this, and after that , something that we cannot calculate may happen, and this something is a nuclear threat.

well, you understand, putin with this nuclear threat continues to frighten the west, and the west continues to be frightened, it does not want to understand that this threat does not really exist, because look how well french president macron put the muscovites in their place, he very clearly and calmly, somehow you know, somehow even casually said, yes i have 800. 80 i think if i'm not mistaken, nuclear weapons carriers, well you strike and we strike and you know at some point, i don't know, i something in the last couple of weeks maybe i missed fix something, i don't hear a mad bear, i don't hear an equally mad one over there zakharov and other madmen after the may 7 inauguration of the so-called president putin on may 9. yes, well, yes, there

was such a hint, but indirect, that's all, and and somehow at once, the mood for a nuclear war, well, at the very least, just falls, well, because there... i understand perfectly well, that's right there is one france, there is also great britain, and there is already the united states of america, and not 800, even 80 warheads are enough to simply exterminate everything that is alive. that is why nuclear threats and blackmail should be calm there are us too, and we can too, and after that , somehow, well, the intensity of passions decreases a little, that is... we need to stop being afraid, you know, i really like it, now some people are walking there in america, including our demonstrators with such with t-shirts that read: be brave, well, you really have to finally become brave, not to be afraid of what stands today

on clay feet. that's all. today, mr. volodymyr, the 22nd meeting of the contact group on the defense of ukraine took place in the ramshtein format and... agenda, in particular air defense became. defense minister of the united states of america lloyd austin said that the air defense system and the projectiles for them remain the priority of supply for ukraine. let's hear what he said. it is very important for ukraine to close its skies from iranian drones, from korean missiles and other means. we all focused our attention clearly today. on ukraine's urgent requests, in particular, regarding the protection of the kharkiv region, and why president biden announced a new package at the beginning of this month aid for 400 million dollars, there will be

new shells for nessems, for heimers, new, new units of fire equipment and other systems that ukraine needs. mr. volodymyr, ukraine needs much more than what loy dostin says about it, is it true that the statement that the western partners give us just enough weapons so that we do not lose, but just enough so that we do not go on the offensive, well, you know, this a sad conclusion, but it seems to me that it is fair, because if it were otherwise, we would have long ago received... and not only there five or seven patriot systems, which we are already talking about, we are negotiating, it is not known how many months, and i think much more, so they are expensive, they cost a billion dollars each plus or minus, but excuse me, even with the help that

the usa is talking about, there are 60 billion , well, you can gradually collect 5-7 billion, which will be specially given. for that, i don't think the united states of america, having, having hundreds of these systems, would lose much if they gave us these, there's a dozen that we really, well, need to survive, so i think all of this invested in the same thesis that you and i talked about when in the west they do not want the collapse of russia, because... they understand that in the event that, say, crimea falls, it, it will still fall, so that people there think, or did not think in washington or anywhere, but it will still be gradually, relentlessly demilitarized, deoccupied, and the beginning of the loss of crimea

will mean the beginning of the decline of the putin regime, this is also clear, for them this topic is sacred, and when crimea is cut off from supply and the question arises whether to surrender to the garrison, or to drown, or to flee, then in many will again have the question there, even in the kremlin and around, so what is actually happening here and why was it all started 10 years ago, so i think that we should treat all these statements, of course... with a certain understanding, but, you know, to do your own thing, well, in the end , blinkin, when he was here the last time, was not too categorical, he said that we do not encourage, but we do not deter, well, that

means, well, you know, well i pressed this button, i thought it was going there, but it flew here, well, that's how it happened, well, you can't do anything, once, you know, when i was conducting negotiations with these... creatures, when all their arguments ran out, the main one... remained, the phrase remained: "well, that's how it happened historically, well, it can happen so simply historically, that instead of getting to the military airfield somewhere in conditional sacks, it will end up somewhere in rostov, well, everything happens, well, well, and what are you going to do here? another person appeared who doubts that ukraine will win over russia, and says that the attempt on the prime minister fitso of slovakia, also associated with his

support for peace, is the president of bulgaria's romanian council, he made a corresponding statement, now let's listen to what he said. it is extremely dangerous for passions between russia and ukraine to flare up in europe as well, and for voices for peace to be met with shots, this is unacceptable. mr. volodymyr, the former countries that were part of the camp, the socialist camp, how was it done, are there any other motives, done, well, simply, well, they remember what the soviet army is, the soviet russian army is far from the soviet right. but i think that it was not done, but recruited, well, it can also be called

done, maybe they did so at one time that they recruited, especially, you see, people are no longer of the pioneer age a little bit, that's why, that's why i think that we are talking about such an option, that is, these are old canned goods that were laid back in those days when you are right, remember? there they told about bulgaria, that it is like there and not even abroad for for for for well i will not repeat, because one of your colleagues was very scared of something, when i wanted to repeat this phrase, so as not to sound too arrogant about it, well , well, the same countries were completely occupied by the soviet special services, that is , embassies, there are all kinds of houses of friendship and all that kind of thing, there are some trade missions and so on, these were all cells of the special service, they worked on simply creating a network of their contacts and dependencies, well, where is

the guarantee that they did not do the same in the same bulgaria, where is the guarantee, what if we, if we suddenly see that some members of the european parliament for many, many years in the present tense, now they are undergoing training at the fsb and have contacts with the russian special services, so what can i say? about the 70s and 80s of the last century or even the 90s, that is, all this should be taken as the position of those people who, perhaps, i do not assert, of course, but perhaps had some secret contacts with the russian the special services are still used by them, if not as direct agents, then as agents of influence, but how the position of these people will influence our movement towards the european union and nato, because well... yes or otherwise, it will also depend on them whether

we will be there or not, well not everyone has the powers you are talking about, in this case, in the bulgarian case, it is such a thing, the same there are some balkan countries, where it's the same, prime ministers and governments are pro-european and pro-ukrainian, and for some reason the presidents fall out of this line, if it's about governments, it's gi. and here we mean today's orban, today's fizo and so on and so on, but you know, mr. serhiy, even on for example, the accession of sweden and finland to nato, when you are left alone, even when you really don't want to or you were asked to slow down as much as possible, well, there are still certain limits that cannot be stretched further, so in the case of ukraine, i i think hungary. that there will still be orbán will drag on for two years to get her to ratify this protocol, but all

the same, when she will be left alone and when there will be no arguments at all and there will be nowhere to go, so one way or another it will still happen, just with with a brace, well, it is of course under the circumstances, mr. sergey, that we we will not drink champagne with you, in connection with the collapse of the last sub-empire to the north in the northeast of ukraine. i hope it will...sooner or later, and we will witness it. friends, i remind you that we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. during this broadcast, we are conducting a survey. we ask you about this, have your expectations from zelenskyi's presidency come true, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, write your opinion about this, what did you expect, what did you get, and if you watch us on tv from a smartphone or phone and vote, if your expectations from the zelenskyi presidency came true, 0800-211381, no

08003 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program. we will sum up the results of this vote, very briefly, mr. volodymyr, regarding the situation in georgia, they passed a law on innaagents, as russia, and western partners, both theirs and ours, tell tbilisi to official tbilisi that with such approaches they will not need the european union in general, and in general the americans doubt that the aid they receive, they will continue to receive this aid, as it happened that during a rather difficult 15 years , which have passed, not even 15, probably more than 20 years, why georgia has come such a long way since the troyant revolution, through the war with russia, russia's aggression against georgia, and why is this the result now, well, because mr. serhiu, except mykhailo saakashvili, whom i

i respect him as a statesman, despite his differences. so to speak, the complexity of his political biography there and his character, but he demonstrated that georgia can and will definitely be a member of the european union and nato, i do not doubt that for a minute, but there are also other political figures like saakashvili , there is also ivanishvili, it's just that again we understand that because of... such people, in fact , this subversive policy towards the whole country is carried out in order to prevent the departure from russia, and so that this country can independently choose its own path development, that's what they say lies on the surface, and we see the results, we see, frankly, i'm surprised when the relatively young politicians who

rule georgia today say completely anti-georgian things, and... one more the topic of this weekend, and indeed of these days, is the inauguration of the newly elected president of taiwan. laichinte came to power and in his swearing-in speech, he called on china to end its threats and work together on a peaceful settlement of the conflict. let's hear what he said. i hope china will come to terms with reality. the existence of our republic will respect the choice of the people of taiwan and in good faith prefer dialogue over confrontation, exchange over deterrence, and cooperate with the legitimate government of taiwan in accordance with the principles of parity and dignity. we have the ideal of achieving peace, but we must have no illusions. before china refuses to

use force to invade taiwan, citizens should understand that even if we accept... and there is a reaction from the chinese ministry of foreign affairs, this is a spokesman for the ministry, commenting on the position of the new the president of taiwan, called the country's independence a dead end, let's listen to what he said, i want to emphasize the following: taiwan independence is a dead end, no matter under what guise or under what flag, the desire for independence and secession of taiwan is doomed to failure . well, we see, mr. volodymyr, that the development of these relations and the difficult relations between taiwan and

china, there is a new president of taiwan, obviously china does not like it, they say that it is deaf... does this mean that these claims, which says china, of course lead to an armed conflict? you know, mr. serhiy, i think not, i think that , again, it's more political rhetoric than a real threat, for one simple reason: china, it happened, and it wanted to, is very much incorporated into the world economy, and this the incorporation says that... he is focused on north america and europe, and if he decides to solve the taiwan issue in this way, he will immediately run into the iceberg of sanctions. i think that will be worse than what russia is experiencing today federation, is it beneficial to the chinese economy, it is definitely not, because it will be a disaster for it, or is it something that

the chinese themselves, who, even if only a little, are beginning to rise in their economic well-being, prosperity and so on, i think that it's also not what the average chinese citizen needs, so it seems to me that simple arithmetic says that risking, well , some such already too beautiful political idea for the sake of economic stability, well , you know, the game is so in russian roulette, you can win, and you can shoot yourself, so i don't think that china... is such a risky leader that they will go for such a story. for some reason, it seems to me that this is just a confirmation, i

mean the statement of the spokesman, and i think there will be statements and more, confirmation of the political position, and since china is not in a hurry, for it 100 years there is a moment, a minute, because i think that they will confirm that this is... it is, china is the only one, here it is, what is done there in taiwan, let it be done, but we still consider it a part of us, and it will be simple to wait until the corpse of the enemy floats by, whether it will be in 5 years, whether it will be in 50 years or in 150 years, well, for china, these are not the terms that will require too serious actions, but why, mr. volodymyr, during the last years this issue is so topical and so acute for... china, well , considering that china is also not a small state in terms of territory, as well as russia, which is fighting for those islands with japan, for the kuriv islands , that is, for recognizing them

as japanese, and the japanese for recognizing them as their own, that is, why is it now such a cornerstone of china's policy, and you know, it seems to me, mr. serhiyov, that it is actually like russia's war against ukraine. russia's aggression against ukraine is a certain kind of test for a collective measure, whether it is true or not, but if the west swallows that ukraine will lose, it means, of course, that russia will do what it wants, where it wants, if the west swallows and does not will react to what they say against taiwan, so china will do whatever it wants in the... pacific region ocean and southeast asia, and if so, they will cooperate even more strongly in order to oppose the west and

try to overcome it. so here, it seems to me, these, so to speak, regional things, they have a very serious geopolitical, geopolitical coloring, and this is to some extent a kind of, you know, test drive, that's a pass. when it came out, let's go on, and if you immediately see a red light and a brick in front of your nose, then you have to stop and tell, so we would pass, but now it's raining, so we'll wait, sir vladimir, one event that awaits us in literally 25 days, on june 15 , the global peace summit begins in switzerland, today it became known that india will participate in this summit, so far china has not said anything about its participation, but he did not confirm the words of ushakov, who said that china will not go to switzerland as long as russia is not there, in your opinion, and that we

should expect peace from this summit, so what will he give to ukraine? well, with regard to china's participation, everyone believes that it is some kind of panacea for the success of this forum, well, it's the same for me it seems that china will not come. well, because he, russia has already clearly and clearly said that it will not go, because it was not invited, and china said that it will not go, because russia and ukraine should also be at the conference, well, since russia will not be there, so then china probably won't take a full participation in this forum, maybe there will be some adviser as an observer there and nothing more to wait for, it seems to me that we need to wait for something. a chance to advance in the three key areas currently defined, that is, the most important thing now to agree, well, at least some framework in these

directions. and then, on the basis of these agreed frameworks, form some specific plan of action, this is the maximum we can count on, let it be repeated that the territorial integrity of states is important, well, sorry, it is written in the un charter, there are many other correct things that can simply be written in one paragraph, uh, as it is always done, there referring to such and such articles of the statute, there the conference takes it into account, is guided, is guided and so on further, and then move on to some specific things, that's all, so i don't think that here we should overestimate the importance of this forum, it will be possible for us from a political point of view, but from a practical point of view, i'm afraid that this will only be the beginning , and at the same time in several directions, not in all, a lot of long work, but it seems to me that the best

way... to solve all the issues that are fixed in the program of president zelensky is the victory of the russian aggressor on the battlefield, which we are talking about actually talked with you all this hour, mr. serhiy, and literally through a month after that, the washington nato summit will take place, the anniversary, whether ukraine will receive a positive signal from this summit, it is difficult to say which one it will receive. i think that if there is no invitation, but there is at least something like, well, some kind of condition to receive this invitation, as it was in the context of the invitation to negotiations with the european union, then this will also be a certain element promotion, although, of course, the message of fear that has formed now and includes washington and berlin, it

time, unfortunately,... irresistible, and i am sorry that the leaders of such two largest countries are afraid of the shadow of the russian federation. well, that is, even if we do not receive an invitation to nato, it will not be a tragedy for foreign policy, and for ukraine in general. well, you know, some people in the west say that, unlike the eu, nato only accepts those countries that are fully ready. well, if, if this thesis is fair, although it is. is true, because nato accepted countries that were not ready at all, i don't want to name names so as not to offend anyone, but it was a fact, it was a political decision, then in this case they are simply covering themselves with it, well , let's be smarter and do everything so that the ukrainian army is not only formally, but also actually the best in europe, which, by the way, i think it is actually. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the conversation, it was volodymyr ogrysko, politician, diplomat,

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iran's president ibrahim raisi and the country's foreign minister died in a plane crash, will the country's course change as will it affect iran's relations with russia on the war in ukraine? about this for the next 15 minutes. bbc live from london. jaferu works in the studio. a helicopter carrying iranian president ibrahim raisi and foreign minister hossein amir abdalahian crashed on sunday in the mountains of northwestern iran. not far from the border with azerbaijan, raisi was returning to the capital tehran from the border region, where he met with the president of azerbaijan, ilham aliyev.