when the law on strengthening mobilization was discussed and adopted in ukraine, there were expectations, at least among politicians and the military leadership, that this law would lead to an increase in the number of mobilized and volunteers, whether this law would meet such expectations, whether it would ensure fair mobilization, which talked so much the president and what is happening in the military bases on the third day of the law on mobilization. my name is vlasta lazur, this is svoboda live. this footage was taken this morning by radio liberty correspondents who visited near two military commanders in the capital. dozens, sometimes hundreds of men are trying to get to the territorial assembly center. from what the men under the tsk told us, someone came to get, because he already received, or rather, a summons, some of them have to go through the vlk, someone needs to be pasted. is it a code or just

to get information, many of those who are going to update their data with the start of the law on mobilization, the reasons are different, but it seems that everyone has the same complaint: it is the organization of work, because in queues under the tsc you have to spend at least a few hours, and the process of updating data can take a week or even a month. in order to get to one of the tsc, which we visited, people wrote in notebooks and according to this list got to the middle, although i will remind you, the ministry of defense declared. that they started testing the electronic queue for the military commanders, what was the situation under the tsk today, at least in kyiv, where we visited, why did the men come there, what are they not, what doesn’t suit them as of now, listen to them, i came to blame the data, i booked at the company, but i was last there in 2004, my registration data there, well, the military specialty did not change, the registration data did not change, but the management said that i had to go... in order to

continue the reservation, i received a summons, came to the tcc , it turned out that i was wanted in the databases, which are not clear, i understand that this charm was a system, i have to pass the vlk in order to determine whether i am suitable for military service or not, after that i go and register and accordingly for me this is my update data, because i am currently registered, my data has already been updated, i came for the certificate, they told me that i must... also deliver the certificate for postponement and write an application for postponement, i came today at 9 in the morning, as soon as it opened , but there was already a queue of 100 people in front of me, that's why we organized a log of the live queue here, we organized this order and now we are trying to somehow orientate ourselves more or less, how everything is built, but i honestly want to confess to you that terrible because in two years. years since the beginning of the war, nothing so far

it doesn’t work, well, the way it should work, i don’t quite understand what’s going on, i think nobody here really understands what ’s going on here, there must be some kind of electronic queue, or that you have to sign up somehow in advance, the trip just arrived at the post office box, i decided not to generate it, i came voluntarily, i have been going through vlk for a month. because every time they send me for some kind of clarification of the diagnosis, i have already passed the vlk commission and now i will put this code on the passport, well, that's it, it's too bad that there is a queue here, well, 200 people at 100, there is no toilet, there is nothing, i was here at 9 o'clock, and the first time i stood in line , i paid money to a person to come at 6 in the morning, got up and to pass at 6 in the morning, she came, we... entered only at 2: 00 in the afternoon, it

passed on tuesday, there is such a system, well , nothing, you can’t talk about these systems, on thursday i stood for 6 hours in order to go to the military office, then i stood in line for an hour to get into one office, there is a queue for one office , 100 people stand in one office, a second office comes out of this office, and so on in turn, 100 people move to the second office and that's it, every trip to the military headquarters takes me from three to seven hours, that is , i've never spent less than three hours here, well, what we... we saw looks like this that this does not change, but conscripted citizens can also update their data in tsnaps, at least from the 18th, such a service became available on saturday, precisely with the entry into force of the law on mobilization, we also visited one of the tsnaps in the capital, queues it wasn't there on the street, but inside there were many people with whom we managed to talk, who say that they went to tsnap instead of tsk because they hoped to avoid the queue, however, due to problems in the system, and in tsnap they also had to wait for several hours, i

i came today to update my data, there is no success yet, because the system hangs, i have been standing for two hours, so for now, yes, it seems to me that it is calmer, more adequate in the snap, maybe after the snap, well, i will have to go to the tsc, it is in in principle , there is no problem, why they decided it do it in the tsnapa, closer, much closer to work, drive up and pick it up right away, whether it was successful or not on saturday, but i came at 150, left around one o'clock, then... and couldn't pick up the lift, they told me to come on monday, picked it up , that's it, i came to update my data, i came to update my data, i excused myself from work and at 9:90 i was already here, i got a ticket with the number 17, and i'm unlikely to get in today, they said that it could take until the third day, это может быть and why many people, or

what is the problem? well, there are also many people, well , there are also many people, but they said that so is the system hangs, everything is not as they said yesterday on tv, that everyone will pass quickly, why did you decide to go to tsna? and not in the tcc, for example, and there is no less queue, there is no shorter queue, here they said that everything is fast, but it turned out that it was the same, half of the people went to the tcc, i will wait until the last one until i update. well, i will also remind you that as of today, at least i won't remind you, but i will inform you, 300 thousand men of draft age have updated their military registration data in the reserve plus mobile application, at least the ministry of defense of ukraine reports this. well and the mobilization law, to be more precise. and we will discuss the reality in just a minute, meanwhile, the shortage of manpower in ukraine has reached a critical point, according to the new york times, and the ukrainian position, the ukrainian position on the battlefield has seriously deteriorated in recent weeks, as russia has accelerated its offensive to take advantage of delays in

the delivery of american weapons, the publication states. as a result, ukrainian officials asked their american colleagues, and also colleagues from nato, to help train 150,000 recruits to repel the russian...offensive this summer, so far, according to the new york times, the united states has said no, although, for example, general charles brown jr., chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, said last thursday that the deployment of nato instructors seems inevitable. how the law on mobilization will strengthen mobilization itself, how it motivates ukrainians to join the army, how much it will be able to provide for all these challenges that are currently being faced. exist before ukraine, including before the army. we will continue to speak, i hope that the speaker has already joined us from minute to minute, this is maryana bezugla, a people's deputy from the servant of the people, and also the deputy head of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence. maryana, good evening, good evening, you weren't there yet, we were showing,

today our colleagues went to tsk and tsnapy, and listen, there are huge queues, men say that they take from three to seven hours, to get into some... office, well, he complains that there are no electronic queues, in principle there were none and they could not to appear in a day, but it all looks so obvious, not very effective, and you know, and it does not give the impression that there is a war in the country, where it would seem that all this organization should happen faster, you know, i came back, here i was in trips, in fact kharkiv region, sumy region, well, the border eh... this time and around the kupyanskyi direction, the direction where ocheretina, pokrovsk, the military machine and the machine of the ministry of defense are still working so slowly that it is surprising that we

are still holding on at all, i.e. in fact, innovations and combat as such, it stops at the level of brigades, in the main one, well, mostly it is action. brigades and horizontal communication between units, of course, in this way we may no longer be predictable for the russians, but now it is more and more clearly visible that the new system, which was hardened in battle, which appeared at the tactical level, so to speak, is also fighting with by what comes from above. from the headquarters, and the question is that you are now saying the queues in the tsk, i think we will now show these queues, yes, it is, it is, it is not on the battlefield, it is in kyiv, look, that , that if on the field during the battle, the headquarters are still forced to make some faster decisions, and at the same time, the reaction and

concrete action at the tactical level, well, i tried to explain, this is a separate conversation and quite tragic, then in... in such a more comfortable environment, bureaucratization even brighter. i believe that it is a great achievement, after all, that it was possible to take another step for... digitization after the laws we adopted, this is an application, and it just showed, in particular, one interesting thing that when a person has additional modern knowledge, i.e. in fact, this implementation of the concept that knows one's way, the willingness to interact with the state, the willingness to fulfill one's duty, is much greater, that is... in particular, people are often afraid to mobilize, in particular

because they do not trust this gigantic state machine, in particular in the armed forces, and you see that after the law came into effect, there are quite a lot of people who want to update their data right now, not only in... these are the statistics so far, the statistics of the ministry of defense, maryana, look, before the law on mobilization was adopted, and even after that, a lot politicians and representatives of the armed forces of ukraine, the military, expressed the hope that this law will lead to an increase in the number of mobilized and volunteers, or in your opinion, will it lead, will definitely lead to an increase in the number of mobilized volunteers, but here it appears again the issue that i

am trying to return to, where they will be mobilized, because, for example, now i am raising the issue that the general staff, and i raised it, with the previous military leadership is again proposing the creation of additional brigades, that is, the troops say, please send us volunteers, mobilized, specific brigades, we need replenishment. we will even train them, because the level of training still often does not withstand criticism, and this is again a systemic problem, a systemic problem of the organization of the military machine itself, and we will train them, show them, just send people to us, already in ready units, and again the general the headquarters submits new brigades, and what does the creation of a new brigade mean, it's crazy money, it's several tens of billions of hryvnias, this creation again... in logistics units, where you can put anyone, well, you understand, no, i don't understand,

what are you implying, what do you mean? what i mean is that instead of sending reinforcements, that is, those people who we will now go even more, yes, we will have mobilized and volunteers directly already in ready-made units that have a stable structure, so that they carry out already specific tasks, we now have... the risk that, again, the general staff will want to create new brigades will be created in which not only reinforcements will be created, in fact positions of infantrymen, that is , specific combat positions, and new additional headquarters, new logistics, etc. will be created again, what is the risk, what are the risks, what are the risks for whom, there are several risks, first, less replenishment for current units that perform. directly, the task is in the zone, well, the lane, in the lane of responsibility at the front. the second is

the risk of corruption, that is, that some people will simply find positions that will allow them to be registered there, or get a job position, for various activities that are not related to combat, well, unfortunately, this is such a component that is difficult now. to explain, but i tried to do it, that is, we see this internal schema again, and let's not take into account how heroic in general, how heroic is often the work in the armed forces, in the armed forces, as in a closed system of a million people, very - there are many different corruption risks and we see, excuse me, you say, we see this internal schematosis again, who is to blame for this internal schematosis? this is the decision of the central committee, and i do not hide in no way. oleksandr syrsky?

yes, the previous commander-in-chief of the armed forces made a decision to expand and create new brigades, according to the same scheme, this one came and also wants to create another column, a certain number, well , i will not say, brigades, instead of emphasizing the replenishment of existing units dshv, ground forces, those brigades that already have. administrations that already have security units, all they need is replenishment and trained, trained people, with the opportunity to train, respectively before it works. this unit, i did not try to explain what is happening, we , maryana, now more, we, maryana, now we will return to the administration, because you write a lot about it, i want to talk about the law on mobilization for a moment to return, there are a lot of points that need to be discussed in lk and how the electronic system will work, another component is, for example, booking, just last week there was a scandal

because a number of companies glovo, visa, favbet zabro... employees, a scandal broke out in the cabin they said that they will review the conditions of the reservation, you know, this probably also correlates with the question of fair mobilization, because we, for example, on friday had the adviser of the president's office mykhailo podolyak, i asked him, how is it going with officials, for example, advisers of the president's office, will they be booked or not, and i just suggest that you listen, and then we will continue, employees of the president's office, full-time and freelance advisers , including them, do they have reservations? a certain category of civil servants has reservation, others, who have, will definitely be there further on, in any case, you will have to come and update your data in the tcc, i.e. everyone, this is a one hundred percent procedure, i.e. everyone must update their data, who has a reservation within the framework of what is written in the law, they will remove this reservation, and the others will

go to the lk accordingly, and you will have a reservation, let me first be in... and then we will talk further, uh, well, this is important, socially important information, again, we turn to the officials, but you see what scandals and dissatisfaction there are now regarding who has which reservation? and once again, look, the law clearly spells out the social categories that will receive reservations for one reason or another, and we will definitely say after that, after updating the data, anyone who meets the reservation criteria, he is open. has a reservation, whoever does not answer will not receive it, these are obvious things, i was just asking you specifically, do you have a reservation or not, for today i have to go to the tsc, update my data, after that it will be clear, maryana, well look, an official of the president's office, a freelance adviser, by the way, there are a lot of freelance advisers there, maybe a hundred, he

says, well, i'll go to the tcc, and then i'll find out if i have armor or not, well, we know that it is not the armor that determines, it is not the state committee that determines whether they have armor there or not... and this is such a general question for the entire apparatus of officials and advisers and in general the question of fair mobilization, fair armoring, whether the draft law fully corresponds to fair armoring and whether this the moment is revised, and actually what about the device officials, are there any limits, who can be booked, who can't? look, not only the officials, you mentioned the heads there, for example, booked, yes, or various artists there, so to speak. that is , in general, as far as i remember, we have booked as many as the armed forces in general, for a moment, somehow they decided it through the cabinet of ministers, that is, somehow private business decided that they are representatives of critical infrastructure, if they do not produce weapons, and deliver food, i would not emphasize here only

only on the officials, this is the problem of our nation, as it is... and in general, from the readiness to understand that everyone has a war, so it can be solved by law, or it can be solved outside the law, in the law we defined, by the way, updated the framework about the reservation, because before it was all by-laws, because of the by- laws it was even easier to decide so to speak, but now it's more difficult, and accordingly they have to review, review de facto reservations, besides ... still the general headquarters, currently, this is the generation of the general headquarters, tougher and uncompromising about certain options to book from companies or government structures, i fully support you here, mobilization must be fair, for

mobilization to be so, it is necessary to develop a number of safeguards, in particular reduction. the human factor in the decision-making process, now the application has been released, people can update their data remotely, the database is working , it is further here the question of how it will be decided, to whom the summons is sent, not to whom, well, how they are already sent by mail to everyone, already a long time ago are sent even before the law came into force, as everyone to whom, for example, if the criteria are the same, and there are, relatively speaking, 10 people in the database, then these people should be sent summonses to all or five of them, although they meet one criterion, and which algorithm is the algorithm. issues, that is, that i, in particular, i am also a member of the working group, you probably know from the mobilization from the very beginning, what i am trying to achieve and have allies in this,

so that we digitize the process as much as possible and, accordingly, reduce these corruption or risks and the human factor, regarding officials, deputies, etc., to be honest, i believe that we should set an example, that is, despite... it would be very good if there from the cabinet of ministers, the ministers published information about who among their relatives mobilized from relatives who serve, so it was, there are precedents in different countries, also in parliament, that is, i do not hide, i am not, i am not married, i am a reservist of the first line, that is , i work in a cabin in a committee and from time to time i work directly in the army, i write about it and show it, the committee suggested... then with of national security to all undergo basic general military training, this would definitely change the worldview of some colleagues and show solidarity, well, let's see how they, whether they

will accept this proposal, will eventually mature to it, that is, here the question is at all levels , we have to mature as a society , regarding the fact that this war concerns everyone, and everyone should set an example, because if it is not a war for everyone, and i remember how in the ato, i was well... i was mobilized in the 15th year, by the way, i mentioned, we talked with you, concluding that, unfortunately, the 13th, there is still the 14th year he was very sharp like that, then this war was like ato, atoshniki, os and all the others, so now, if it continues to develop, we will simply prolong our war, people will die, we will lose territory, but the struggle will not be a prize, well, we will not achieve.

maryana, you started talking about schemes here, you partly put the responsibility for them on the commander-in-chief oleksandr syrskyi, you also made a rather high-profile statement the day before in your social networks, you wrote that the new leader of the front, general general sodol, criminal, as i understand it, we are talking about yuriy sodol, who, by the way, when you adopted the law on mobilization, then almost the only one from the military came and convinced the deputies why this law should be adopted, why... are you now calling him a criminal? unfortunately, because there are a number of conscious decisions on this side, in particular regarding the preparation of the defense

of the kharkiv region, which led to tragic consequences, this is his responsibility, his fault, that is, what does the leader of the front mean, that's what i called him, this is the commander of the united forces , which is responsible for the application of the armed forces, in particular he directly... controls everything that happens from kharkiv to avdiyivka, conditionally, that is , the hottest part of the front, and accordingly, he has not been there for the first day, and considering that, as reported by the intelligence community, as the russians were preparing to open another front in the kharkiv region, and what decisions did he make, including personnel, which candidates did he recommend and how would he check...readiness, and i researched it, it is not a secret of the policemen in our military, they all saw it , participated,

some have already died, unfortunately, defending and correcting the mistakes that were made, so this is only the first statement, unfortunately, i can't just, you know, what a mistake of the generals, they believe, as part of their factional clashes, that if you ... against someone, then you stand for someone, i do not stand for any of the general factions, they were formed during the 30th anniversary of history, these people participated then, not only from the 14th year, in our country, yes, and in he has combat experience, but they were grown when they sold off our shells, volyn, i understand, look, your the position is quite, quite high, you are a people's deputy, you are the deputy chairman. profile committee, when you go out and declare one of the top generals that he is a criminal, after that, well, according to my logic, some decisions must be made, it must

meet urgently... the committee or the verkhovna rada, or the president must gather, as a result will there be any after your application? i don't know if there will be and what the consequences will be, i hope that they will react, from my side, i have enough data, information, and readiness, and i'm not going to stop, you you know the story of my struggles with the risks that come with generality. and in particular the southern counter-offensive, when people were deliberately sent to die and deliberate decisions were made as to who would lead the southern counter-offensive, etc. now, unfortunately, i see those recurring trends regarding the reaction of the committee, today there was a meeting of the online committee, i briefly raised this issue in various ways, i reported on what and how i saw very briefly, at the front, they added it

somehow third. questions, maybe offline consideration, in short, i do not hide, i do not hide the inertia of the committee, although the mandate of the committee is colossal, and of course, it would have been long ago to consider the issue of the use of armed forces, the use of budget funds, summoning certain representatives of the general staff, the military leadership, this is all not is being done, why is it not being done, ask the representatives of the committee and... there are different factions, they act synchronously, when i raised the question for the first time about what is corruption in general among the generals, what is the solution for the southern offensive, they tried to remove me from the post of deputy, and several people, i will conclude from the opposition, by the way, left my subcommittee on supervision and control of the military organization, well, that was the support at that time, you and i, we spoke with you a couple of

days ago , were in kharkiv oblast and you complained about the quality of the fortifications, i asked you then that i reminded you that at one time you demanded the release of valery zaluzhny, under these conditions and for these arguments that you have now given, whether you are ready to demand the resignation of oleksandr syrskyi , have you changed your mind, first, that i am raising the question, i have stopped hearing maryana, or have i? in touch with us, maybe we will try to redial now, two minutes later, maryana bezugla appeared on the line, maryana, i apologize for raising the question, first of all, it is urgent, that what is happening at the front, there is a leader of the front, specific, there are specific actions, what he does, the military knows everything, the leader of our

military knows it. the supreme commander-in-chief, the supreme commander-in-chief, does not know, i am a difficult question, what does difficult mean question? does volodymyr zelenskyi not know about your suspicions that there are schematoses in the army? look, the question now is about a military decision, the president is not an expert in military decisions, and we have to understand and recognize that. as for the president , the commander-in-chief, he can make any decision, if it is justified, if you were the president , you would also become the commander-in-chief, if you understood the strategic use of troops, or if you would move a brigade from one front to another. maryana, i'm asking the question here, uh, i don't agree with you, we're having a discussion, that's why, that's why, that is, all this mess and confusion of concepts, who

is responsible for what. where is the political decision to get bakhmut or mariupol and where is the military decision, how to do it, it leads to tragic consequences, and by the way, i mentioned about mariupol, so sodol was responsible for mariupol, and he has, in particular, a very close general who from whom, as i already wrote, there is a criminal proceeding against changar, and here i see that he has again received the responsible direction of the front, will you demand the resignation of oleksandr syrskyi? now after what you have said here, will you demand the resignation of syrsky or not, i did not understand? i don't know and i'm not ready to answer that for you yet, because it's a big broad question, and do we have a replacement, huh, and don't you regret that zaluzhny resigned, maybe he could cope with these challenges? no, i don't regret it at all, because mariupol is good.