the right thing, today's level of our relations allows us to talk about germany as close partners, and yesterday there was a meeting of allies, our allies in the remstein format, and the united states secretary of defense loy dustin after this meeting expressed confidence that the ukrainian forces did not use american long-range weapons on the territory of the russian federation, including the ppu system. let's hear what loy dostin had to say. in... we have clearly stated about providing ukraine with opportunities to protect its sovereign territory. of course, dynamics aerial combat, i will leave it to the experts, but we expect them to continue to use the weapons we have provided for targets on the territory of ukraine. aerodynamics are a bit different now, but i don't want to speculate on that subject from this podium. at the same time, president zelenskyi. that

nato's possible help in shooting down russian missiles on the territory of ukraine could compensate for the deficiency of kyiv's air defense and would not mean the involvement of the alliance in the war. let's listen to what zelensky said. the russians use 300 aircraft on the territory of ukraine. we need at least 120, 130 planes to resist, to resist in the sky. can't give yet? okay, here we go again. air defense can't... you can't yet f-16 you can't yet, let's go back to the planes you have on the territory of neighboring states, nato countries, raise them, we've seen them, use them, shoot down targets, protect civilians, can they to do this, i am sure yes, is this an offensive, an attack by a nato country, involvement, no, mr. valery, the eternal question is whether our western partners are doing this in order to... so that ukraine not only not

lost and won this war, that is, judging by the rhetoric of president zelenskyi, he feels that our western partners could give much more, and he expects more, well, at least the shooting down of missiles over the skies of sovereign ukraine. well, you know, it's probably not... in response to the question to me, what are the western partners doing, because i myself have many ideas, how they should be more involved, i'll start with that, i'll say, my position is as follows : i spoke about these violations of the sovereign territory of nato countries in the 22nd year, both planes and drones, this is all a well-known story, so i raised this issue a long time ago, they, well, i will even tell you more. this

was all discussed with our partners, with the same poland, that joint measures should be taken, joint air defense system on the border, and that these drones that fly into the territory of poland, romania, they are not just legitimate targets, they are more than that, they must do it according to their systems, they did not even do it themselves, you know that the investigation the polish prosecutor's office showed that responsible people are needed some military. and politicians for not doing this, as it is already recognized, they bring up, every time the russians launch on the territory of ukraine, but in the direction, including poland, in the direction of nato countries, that is, both missiles and drones, they always now raise either a couple or even more fighters in order to control this very process, to prevent it. for missiles or

drones to fly into the territory of these countries, but there is one nuance: the russians take advantage of the fact that they really do not shoot down what is flying in their direction, because the russians simply even the trajectories of the same drones are launched, enter the border and then return to the lviv region, where it is more difficult for us to shoot them down from the western direction. objects, so this issue is overdue, we have the entire bilateral base to create a joint air defense system, at least over the border, because the border is not only land, it is also what is in the air , that is why i am very surprised why they act so cautiously in this regard, we have, i will tell you, we also have an agreement with poland on defense, where it is written that the polish special... can be military on our

territory for training missions, for support missions, that is, we have all this, we only need the political will and decision of these countries, and we do not need nato. brussels is not needed here, it is needed on a bilateral basis. next, regarding the destruction of ukrainian territory. in normal times, well, of course, we would hardly allow it, because even if it were isolated cases, we would deal with it, and it is indeed an allowance for certain sovereign rights, but in the conditions of a war of such intensity, for this you only need decision, i think so, i admit that the decision of the ukrainian parliament is needed. that is , there will be nuances of shooting down on the territory of ukraine, but from our side we will do it, i think quite quickly. regarding the countries, well, this question is really ripe, and i absolutely agree that it would be very logical for them to be involved

at least in this way, and no additional requests are needed for this, all the systems are already ready for this. the border is meant, at least, the border area is better, there are nato rules that it is up to, if i am not mistaken, 120 km deep, so at least in this version , it should be done on the western borders, i say that only ukrainian permission is needed and our decision, well, their political decision as well, that is, it is absolutely correct, and the fact that it is said publicly is already unfortunately, evidence that there is no public agreement yet, but i think that we are in such a situation that it is necessary to talk about it publicly, that is , it is impossible to protect european security simply by controlling the eastern, existing eastern border of nato, that is, ukraine is not

must defend all of europe itself, that is, well, at least it is unfair, in principle we can provide arguments why this is from the point of view of... the development of the situation, the increase in threats to these countries, in particular those bordering us, so the issue, i think, is overripe even now, and the means of joint control air defense on and about the border, and means deep into the territory, they are all there, for this only a correction of the strategy and nato, and here also the american strategy, mr. valery, the main event... the expected event next month, june 15-16, global peace summit in switzerland, about 100 participants, well, in advance stated, but the intrigue remains for now, as

to whether there will be a representative of china at this summit and whether parts of the countries of different parts of the world that are oriented towards beijing will also be at this global... peace summit, during the meeting of the un security council, deputy the permanent representative of china to the un, geng shuang, accused the united states of america of prolonging the war in ukraine and called for an early political settlement, let's hear what he had to say. here i repeat our call to the parties to the conflict to demonstrate political will, to go to each other's meeting, to start peace negotiations as soon as possible, etc. combat operations we call on the international community to create conditions for this and provide assistance. china is ready to constantly make unceasing efforts and play a constructive role in promoting the earliest possible political solution to the ukrainian issue.

mr. valery, judging by what gen shuang says, this means that china will not change its position, and even more so if there is a representative of china. at the global summit peace, xijin pinya's position remains unchanged, why does he not change this position and why are the arguments of his economic partners in european countries, in particular germany, france, where he has a sufficiently large turnover and the united states of america, why are these arguments not convincing that he should leave from russia and in this situation, well, at least not to help putin. in the war with ukraine, not to mention convince putin that this war must be ended? well, i will say my opinion, which is based on attempts to understand the chinese back in the 22nd year, and i will say

my conclusion, i do not impose my opinion on anyone, but i now see that china is interested in continuing the war, not the united states, but china is interested. the continuation of the conflict as it is currently going on, the weakening of russia, but without the defeat of russia, the use of the usa's resources for as long as possible, that is... it is very convenient for beijing, their rhetoric is cynical, unfair and definitely not peace-making. if we say who now depends more than, well, russia, of course, the stoppage, occupation, change, aggressive position depends the most, but the second, who it depends on the situation - this is china. china fuels the war, china does not allow the world to get the aggressor to stop the war, and unfortunately, this fueling. beijing, moscow gives putin in difficult conditions in russia such hope that he

can wait for western help and support. well, it so happened that china is acting very non-peacefully, and don't be interested, don't be misled by these 12 points of peace, something else. not so, that is, i do not know why china decided, and the leader of china decided that it is better for such a war to continue, than, even in i don't know about the conditions of economic losses for his country, but the fact that he made a european tour with certain messages is clear to us, the position will not change quickly, it can change only if putin starts to... on the front receive defeats and or not to achieve their goals, and then

no one wants to be with the losers, but now it seems at this stage they believe that everyone has the opportunity to further maintain the conflict of such intensity, and now about the positive, after all , confirmation that china is providing some weapons no, equipment yes, there are space pictures yes, goods doubly... the destination, unfortunately, as well, but, er, well, the economy and the purchase of er of these oil and gas as well, but in general there is no supply of weapons, so this position, plus a position in deterring nuclear threats from russia, this easy juggling of nuclear issues, here beijing's position is constructive, but to say that it is a peacemaker or that it can be a mediator is definitely not the case. and we ukrainians need to understand this, so i will tell you if

the moment comes when, god forbid, it will end this war is large-scale, ukraine will win, and then china will say, and we want to restore ukraine, give us an order, eh, what will happen, maybe it will be double cynicism, so i think that it is necessary to clearly understand now who our friends are, who are our enemies, ukraine will not sit on a stretch between two centers. forces of the usa and partners and china and their satellites, the future world will most likely be just like that, so we must make our choice unambiguously, and the fact that china is not on the side of the truth, unfortunately, this makes it difficult for us, it true, it complicates the situation a lot, but at the same time, if we talk about the peace summit, then china will do worse, india has confirmed its official participation, brazil has confirmed its official participation. and china, which wanted to be an attractive leader of the so -called global south, is now losing its image or

reputational features, so if they want to be, support the pariah countries, north korea, russia, there syria or iran, well, let them choose, but china will never become the first in the world, as they want, it will not stay even second, india will leave it, i i think that if china goes this way, then... it has huge opportunities to bypass it in the future, and well, this is a matter of perspective, but i am surprised by the position of china, they have won a lot before, demonstrating the use of soft power, soft power, now , why did they go so far to support, well, in essence, people who destroyed the international order, from whom china benefited from this international order, international norms. i don't understand, so i still think that this is not the last uh-uh

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another person will take ricey's place, and the vector of this country can change, well come on... it will not be in such a tight clinch with everything the world, with israel and will not be a divider of russia, or nevertheless, under the current conditions , ayatollah khamenei has a much greater influence there, and it is actually from him that the policy that is spreading around the world, politics, iranian foreign policy, comes. well, everything is very simple here, you said it right. that there is such a system of government is quite strange for us, but ayatollah amini, he plays a key role and the president, in fact, the previous one, and the future one will be determined by his decisions and his participation, it is another matter that even in these conditions, iran, as it is not surprisingly, it is enough to have

competitive elections, they are already appointed, with a few wishing to take this position, and there may be a certain correction, because the previous leader, the president, he was generally, was very well received in iran, unequivocally, in iran, the majority of the iranian population of iran is negative, so sometimes i am surprised by all the sympathy of the people of iran, i.e. i don't know who advises some of the president there. sympathy is expressed to the people of iran, the people of iran did not view these police methods and the shooting of demonstrations, the killing of young women in iran in the same way, that is, that is why it is a strange situation, but for of further development, it is obvious that there can be such serious changes in connection with the change of

khamenei, there is his son, khamenei's son, and more. the president applied for this key position, now it is possible that this inter-clan struggle will happen, and they can concentrate more on internal issues at some point. in addition , it is clear that russia is very worried about the loss of previous, possibly agreements at this level, because somehow they began to twitch in moscow and look for a quick restoration of all these additional ones. agreements, that's it as far as weapons are concerned, and maybe not everything was open like that, even in iran, that is, someone got something in their pocket, so they are worried, but to say who will be, i can't say who will be, i know that it will not change, on unfortunately, the situation is very difficult for us, but it can distract for a certain time in relation to such a challenge to supply

missiles, ballistic... which are in iran, and russia would very much like it, well, i think that here it will be necessary to confirm this position in this regard , which, as far as i understand, there were talks with the iranians in the us at a new level the president-elect, so the conclusion is that, unfortunately, there will not be any drastic changes, but no one can say what will be done, because despite such a situation, they also want... the corps of farts of the islamic revolution to take more power now, but be that as it may, iran is a country that has had a democratic period of development in its history, so people... in iran can go into a very violent confrontation and go into a very violent confrontation, and

the leaders of iran are afraid of that, so so far there will be no changes, but still they will be distracted from the external politics for some time can be an additional plus for us. one more final question, mr. valery, this is the beginning... ukraine and the european union, a number of european states are insisting that these negotiations begin, starting from june 25, what are the prospects for the start of these negotiations and what can prevent them, whether it the negotiations start and they can stretch there, relatively speaking, from the moment of the start of the negotiations to the decision , more than one decade may pass, well, i will tell you that... i will remind you that in order for this path to be european, european, and such a road is already to the european union

, ukrainians have already taken a lot of steps, defended this position on the streets, they pushed governments, governments, various ukrainian governments to take constructive actions, to implement the association agreement, then we move to a new stage, that is, to actually fly. . this is already such a serious stage of negotiations, this is a very serious step that opens up the possibility of using this instrument as additional reforms in ukraine, that is, it is clear that this is a very difficult period, and you say how long it will take, in fact, my position can seems strange, i have always not just supported it, in all my actions both in state power and in non-state structures, very much on... i once tried to promote it to the public expert council regarding european integration, talking to europeans that it is necessary to do all this, finally we have this opportunity, it

will be a serious, historical, i would say the step of opening negotiations, it will be difficult further, and i will say why my position may be strange, i do not consider it important how long it will take, unlike our official statement, i think it is important, on what terms... we will join the european union by then, negotiations are opening there on many complex sections, and it seems that there are 34 sections now, and where there is security and defense, maybe it will be easier, but where there is agrarian politics, where there is competition law, where there is intellectual property, there will be many, many such nuances, where, for example, our neighbors will become the first of our... competitors, because the same funds that poland received from the european union , i remember, it was once france did germany want this, and then the poles

got a great result, help in reforms, so we are at this stage now, we are a big country, with a big agrarian sector, so after this political decision we have to wait for the next political decision, it is important, it will take quite a long time, how long is it will take, depends on the two parties, but i emphasize now from the political point of view. signal, thank you very much to the europeans, it will be the right signal, and i really hope that after this signal there will be a signal in washington, still, there is no chance so much about the invitation to nato, because i believe that the success of european integration is possible only if we guarantee the security of ukraine. mr. valery, in what format, you mentioned the washington summit, in what format can it be an invitation, that is... an invitation an invitation, or should it be another powerful signal that can be sent to

the countries of the world, and the most -first of all, to russia, that ukraine will in some perspective be a member of nato, because a year ago there was a summit in vilnius, we heard assurances that ukraine would be a member of the north atlantic alliance, what should happen now? well, look, this topic is discussed a lot, i think that the probability of an invitation, it is not zero now, although it seems that everyone has already agreed that there will be no invitation, i think there is a chance, it is a signal, very necessary, it is not equal membership in nato, i believe that these are all inventions of some special way through some newly invented negotiation process... no, there should be a political invitation and then there should be a process that can stretch for more than one year, that's understandable. that is, and i hope that it

is large-scale. this war will stop and therefore it will be possible to talk about the already ratification of this decision by the countries of the alliance, so all this depends now most likely on the position of the usa and the political technologists of joseph biden, because in this way he could demonstrate a strong position as the next presidential candidate, and if they don't do it, i don't know, it seems to me, it seems to me personally, then we can together with our partners miss another historic an opportunity, because in fact, no matter how we are convinced that war is on the way, it is not quite so, that is, i think that the way is just another mistake that was made after georgia, when in ukraine in 2008 they gave a plan actions regarding membership, if this

mistake is repeated, well, my personal opinion... er, then nato membership in general will be in question for ukraine in the future from the point of view of ukraine's wishes, because if ukraine persists in this war, and when ukraine will stand, i'm sure it will stand, will provide security, it remains to be seen, really, who will need it more, and now, when it is necessary to give a signal against the russian ultimatum, which arrived, let me remind you, not to the ukrainians, it arrived. to moscow in the 21st year in december, december 15, in letters, it was an ultimatum by nato and the usa, as a result, well, the ultimatum is about new members. sweden and finland became members, it would be logical to send the right signal to moscow. but, well, we can't do it now, you know, to do some kind of miracle or something unexpected, but

we need to continue working in this direction, that's why it happens. cases when the last minute decision is made, who knows what will happen before that, in this regard, i still hope for these 10 percent of the chances that remain, and we also hope, mr. valery, that after all we will receive in july invitation to the north atlantic alliance, on this optimistic note we will end our conversation, thank you for participating in the program, this was valery chaly, politician, diplomat, extraordinary... balanced ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-19. friends, we are live tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are now watching us live there. you can vote in our poll on whether a childlessness tax is needed in ukraine. now you see on the screen the results of the television poll, 17%. yes, 83% - no. these are the results

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