keep a close watch together, and of course keep a close eye on the updated weather forecasts on the espresso channel. good evening, we are from ukraine. today in the verdict with serhii program. clearing the black sea, striking the russian ship cyclone, the armed forces destroyed the last surface missile carrier in crimea. how can further demilitarization of the occupied ukrainian peninsula proceed? with his eye on the island of gotland, putin plans to change the maritime boundaries in the baltic sea, declaring parts of it to be russian internal waters. how nato will respond to maritime expansion aggressor countries. the opposition is on the offensive. the verkhovna rada is closed. suggested the creation of

a temporary investigative commission on the arrangement of fortifications, why did the blocking of the parliamentary tribune become a tool of democracy again? glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and ours. victory for ukraine's right to use western weapons against russia, chinese weapons for russians and political passions in the verkhovna rada, let's talk during the next hour with our guests, with general serhiy krivonos, diplomat oleksandr khara and political expert igor reiterovych. the second part of our program, which will start in exactly one hour, will feature political experts oleg sahakyan and oleksiy koshel. however, before starting our

big conversation, i suggest you watch a video of how sso soldiers destroyed a russian beech tree. operators of the third separate regiment destroyed half a division of buk anti-aircraft missile systems in three weeks. three mirrors were affected at the end of april, beginning of may. let's see the impression of the fourth beech tree. glory to the soldiers of the ussr and death to the russian occupiers. friends, we are working live on the tv channel and also on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on these... platforms,

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welcome you and thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. general, let's start our conversation with the situation on the eastern front. in yesterday's video message, president zelenskyi spoke about the situation in the most hot areas at the front. let's listen to mr. zelensky. pokrovsky direction and others, donetsk directions, kramatorsk. urahivska, now remain extremely difficult, and there are more fights there. kharkiv region, our forces destroy the occupier, the results are tangible. mr. general, how do you assess the current situation on the eastern and southern fronts? well, in fact, we still don't have a division of the eastern and southern fronts, it's just work for now. there is no such thing, but in the meantime we

understand perfectly well what directions we are talking about, then, probably, then we will have to add the northern one, because kharkiv region is already much more northern, it is already a separate direction. but in the meantime the situation is quite complicated and despite what some managers said that we have no problems with shells, for some reason those who are at the front tell me something completely different, probably those who told me that everything is going well in some other country, in some other war, but i am more concerned about the kharkiv direction, that , that the situation there is now localized and... so far it is not progressing very well, thanks to our armed forces, the kupinsky direction, which is also quite close to kharkiv region, this is kharkiv region, but let's say it is a little further east, also a fairly serious direction,

probably the safest is the most dangerous, it is precisely the direction of kramatorsk, precisely the direction of chasovoyar, and the enemy there... is actively trying to increase his efforts and still take the initiative in his hands, so far it does not work out for him, our guys are holding on well enough, but that's all alone, it is difficult enough, plus the fighting is actively being conducted in the pokrov direction, where the enemy at one time achieved certain results, and it is very wonderful that the enemy has not yet decided, but where should he try to... concentrate his efforts, just by in the absence of this concentration, if it were not difficult, we will still keep the situation under control, the enemy is actively using a huge number of drones, which for some reason we have much less, not to mention his huge superiority in the air, and as for the number of

artillery shells fired against us and they against us, we will still lose quite seriously in this direction, mr. general. if we talk about the situation in sumy oblast, the russians are quite active there, shelling the border villages, and here are my relatives live in the sumy region, they talk about the fact that the situation is quite difficult there near bilopylla, big pyserivka, krasnopilla, does this mean that they want to go deeper into the territory of the sumy region and, well, let's say take the city, sumy, or are they simply diverting the resources available in the armed forces in other directions in order to attack more donbas and kharkiv oblast, well, unfortunately,

i do not have one hundred percent sources in the russian general staff that would disclose the situation, we only we can, let's say foresee certain options for the actions of the russians and... sumyshchyna, including with regard to the activity of their drgs, this was repeatedly indicated. at this stage , our intelligence, the deployment of logistics bases have not yet been noticed in the enemy's rear, no increased efforts have been seen regarding the deployment of hospital bases, although the same belgorod region has already reserved 3,600 beds for the soldiers of the russian federation, so the situation at this stage is still is not threatening. as for the activation of their drgs, well, if they had not removed the special operations forces at one time border of these strips, the situation was probably much better in our favor. meanwhile , the spokesman of the state border service andriy demchenko

talked about the possibility of the russian army's offensive on the sumy region and said that it cannot be ruled out, let's listen to the rather small synchronicity of the spokesman of the state border service. it can never be ruled out, i mentioned it before, that including in the direction of sumy, the enemy can at any moment, even if he does not have sufficient forces, try to do something similar, as is currently happening along in the kharkiv direction, precisely in order to stretch the front line, the line of active combat operations and actually stretch the defense forces of our country, again, if we are talking about... the sumy direction, if such actions are taken by the enemy, so that we strengthen this direction and used their reserves there. so, actually, we see that the state border service does not rule out that the russians can

attack the sumy region, well, at certain points, and in this situation, of course, there is a big question about the provision, about the weapons that... we receive from our western partners, you, mr. general, said that there are not enough shells at the front, as far as i understood, and not enough weapons for... despite all the assurances, i wanted to ask you about this, since you once worked, started working with zelenskyi's team, the yakonomist writes that zelenskyi is kept in a warm bath, and sometimes they do not agree on what is happening, and zelenskyi seems to shout at the generals who are hiding this information from him, or how true can this be? well firstly, as regards the statements of the border guards, directly, for the actions of the enemy and for the actions

of the armed forces, it is still better, let the armed forces themselves speak, there are official representatives who have the authority to do so, let the state border service deal directly with border issues , and does not go beyond his sphere of responsibility, as for the warm bath for the president, well, i have been there for a long time on the very first day of his game as the president of ukraine, i emphasize the game of the president of... ukraine, because in many cases he narrates the texts beautifully and beautifully, which spetsvitters write to him about the situation in the country, these videos are filmed in different places, but meanwhile , zelenskyi has absolutely no military experience, apart from the fact that he did not serve in the army, therefore, to accept all his things, everything he tells him, he just obediently repeats, and therefore it is better to accept those who are in the war with... teeth and this is exactly the question for the very head of the armed forces, who exactly has the authority and the right

to say something 100 percent, and the president as the supreme commander , well, to him it's quite difficult, but meanwhile we see that the warmth of vavanna continues and he sincerely believes what he is told, that at certain moments there is disappointment, well, they themselves are to blame for the team they formed, and unfortunately, the situation is enough. .. is a dead end, because the team is often formed not by professional qualities, but by some incomprehensible to many political preferences and the ability to remain silent and not criticize the government. well, as for this warm bath, does it mean that the industrious one lost his position precisely because he spoke and reported as it is? i i think that's exactly how it was. i'm not talking about that one anymore. the popularity that the industrious man had, who was the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, it also

annoyed the president enough, because he, as a professional artist, could not tolerate someone more popular on the same stage, who was applauded more than him, that's why such things happened, as it turned out in an interview with the new york times, zelensky said that the russians have an advantage in the weapons they use when attacking, including kharkiv, to quote zelensky, it's theirs. huge advantage shelling of kharkiv, all the deaths of people, children - this is their huge advantage, the daily use of bombs is their huge advantage, the use of s-300 systems, they have accumulated 10 00 s300 missiles, 10 00 is again their advantage, the head of state added that in the world has the appropriate weapons capable of resisting russia's attacks, but there are not enough of them in ukraine. mr. general, over the past two years we have repeatedly talked about not only ... western weapons, but about weapons that could be produced in ukraine,

why they are not produced, well, in rhetoric, volodymyr zelensky often complains about western partners, but there is no analysis of the situation with the ukrainian military-industrial complex, whether ukraine can in some way cover the needs that ukraine needs and whether ukraine could cover these needs during the latter. two years in order to not simply state that there are 10,000 more s300 missiles in russia than in ukraine? well, first of all, no one compared the number of missiles we have and theirs, the number of our missiles is military a secret, and as for, well, let's remember that even on the eve of the great war and during the war , no one seriously dealt with the economy , the leadership of the state... point

is the transfer of ukraine's economy to functioning under martial law conditions, this has not been implemented, the mobilization plan has not been worked out so far, a huge number of ukrainian enterprises have not received mobilization tasks for the production of certain products of military importance, so to say that this is how the russians translated it, and we haven't even started yet, and it hasn't been worked out yet... a simple document like a mobilization plan, and it must be clearly understood that the authorities absolutely do not yet plan to win this war, and do not gather all their does not make efforts to... raise a powerful economy, it is difficult enough for civilians, perhaps those sitting in the president's office, understand that modern war is not a war of personally brave people, modern war is a war of the economy, the state's capabilities to provide the needs of the armed forces in full or in

a huge amount, and unfortunately the russians were able to do it, we haven't even started it yet in the sense that it 's supposed to be, you know, the kind of truths that go into waging war. meanwhile, once again, when i listen and hear when the politicians who speak in the vestibules of our trains talk about certain things, it is necessary to understand that this war with russia can be in favor of ukraine, when we systematically, there every other day or we will destroy. one enterprise of the military-industrial complex of the russian federation, when russia will not be able to receive either fuel, missiles, or projectiles, the russian army will cease to exist as an organizational component, so the front is very important, but the most important front for ukraine is the destruction of the rear of the russian federation, that is the number one task,

and then we can win and achieve the results we need, and if everything is reduced to... uh, head-on attacks, as we often see it on the front line, then it will not be in favor of ukraine, because they have more people , their economy is more capable, so we are we must first of all destroy their economy, make them weaker, so that they cannot provide their own army with what they fight with. mr. general, on may 19, the armed forces of ukraine struck in occupied sevastopo. russian missile ship cyclone. hitting the cyclone means that there are no surface-launched cruise missiles left in crimea. this is reported by the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine. all the rest were translated into novorossian. can we say, mr. general, that the ukrainians won the battle for the eastern and

western parts of the black sea. on this stage yes. it is possible. calmly state and say that for now we keep the situation under control and do not allow the russians to act with impunity, as was the case, for example, the day before, during the beginning of the great war, and this is very good, and i thank all those who systematically sent to the bottom russian ships, but there is still a lot of work to be done and it is necessary to continue and increase efforts, including what concerns the same novorossian and other places and... the basing of the russian black sea fleet in the black sea. when we talk about tiel, sir generals, the russian rear, then obviously, one way or another, this conversation of ours turns into the plane of whether ukraine can hit western weapons on the territory of the russian federation. now this topic

is quite actively discussed and many different statements appear. part of our western. we do not prohibit, but we do not and do not encourage ukraine to strike on the territory of the russian federation against military facilities and critical infrastructure facilities. why do you think there is no unequivocal position of western countries, because during the second world war, when the soviet union was provided with weapons, the same americans did not say that you are not going to strike deep into the territory of germany. times are changing, so are approaches to the issue of providing weapons. well, first of all , unfortunately, we don't have lin-linz, we screwed it up, thanks to the inaction of our diplomats, first of all, the ambassador of ukraine to the united states, who , after all, is more concerned with the restaurant business than with issues

provision of arms of ukraine. why is this being done, why... certain countries are trying to give us weapons, but at the same time ban them apply, well, you can't be half pregnant, so from the point of view of our leaders, they must ask questions more harshly and find arguments that worked in our favor in the information space in order to improve the situation for making this decision, so far we are deaf and dumb, they don't hear us, they don't see us, they don't hear us not because we speak quietly, we don't say anything in this direction at all. if only our politicians would learn how the israelis did it during the war in the gas sector. thank you sir general to you for participating in the program, it was. was serhiy kryvonos, lieutenant general, major general of the reserve, first deputy commander of the ssso forces in 2016-19. friends, we

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sir, thank you for the invitation. let's start, mr. oleksandr, right away with the story that came out today that china is transferring weapons to russia, this was stated in particular by the minister of defense of great britain grand chaps, and he. says us and british military intelligence have evidence that aid in the form of lethal weapons is already flowing or will flow from china to russia, he said today at a security conference in london, to quote mr shaps. today i can announce that we have evidence of cooperation between russia and china in the field of weapons used in ukraine. as we saw from putin's state visit to beijing and the growth of trade between russia and china. by 64%, after a full-scale invasion, they have each other's backs. mr. alexander, what is this, that this is a statement and statement of

american and british military intelligence, what does it mean? that is, whether there will be an increase in pressure on china now, or whether china is being warned about what the americans and the british are doing know that their weapons are going or going to russia, that's enough... a serious statement for today? yes, i think, a serious statement, it is clear that some evidentiary things are needed, and of course that it will be an escalation from china, because until now it has helped the russian federation by buying minerals and selling dual -use goods, and by and large china has what to include, literally three figures, last year russia and china piled on... $227 billion, with the united states, bilateral china's turnover is 575 billion, and with the european union 626 billion. that is, the further

introduction of sanctions, there were already sanctions against chinese companies that cooperated with russia, in particular in the supply of chemical elements for chemical weapons that were used on our territory, then this is understandable. you're on china's economy, and with the chinese economy at its best, it could be quite painful, so i hope that china will stop these things if they were going to supply, because in what he said british defense secretary, he just didn't say whether china has already supplied or whether it is going to, so we will hope that the americans and... and the british and our other partners, they will press china so that it does not increase its fortunes in this war . and how would you,

mr. oleksandr, characterize the position of sydzeny pinn at the moment, as of today, it is clear that he had a european tour, then there was a meeting with putin in beijing, that is, analyzing his statements and analyzing the behavior of sydzeny pinn, that you can say china tends to to negotiate with the civilized world, or does he still take the same position as he has until now, talking again about this so -called peace plan, although it is not a peace plan at all, but the official beijing vision of the russian-ukrainian war, which was, which was recorded as of february 24, 23 . by and large, china is not going to leave the russian federation, and until now, before this information, that it has either started or is going to supply weapons, was a logical

situation. then he supports the younger one partner, gets the most out of it , and access to the markets and the cheap goods that russia supplies to china, i mean oil and that gas, and on the other hand, he tries to maintain, shall we say, a pragmatic relationship with the united states, they barely began to improve, stabilized, the dialogue along the lines of the military resumed, and by and large it looked like the united states... the states of china found a certain form of coexistence and non-deterioration of relations, which, of course, is extremely important for the whole world and confrontation definitely no one not unnecessary, but it is clear that the information that was made public was not taken without air, and i think that maybe in china they looked that there are censes against more russia, maybe they know something more from the point of view

of what is in. .. first of all, representatives of law enforcement agencies, well , also of business related to the ban, so let's hope that china will still refrain from greater involvement in the conflict. especially since this deprives him of the thesis that he was not the cause of this conflict, and he does not throw up, we are the gods, these are rabbits, the one who does not want and does not allow ukraine to diplomatically solve its problems with the russian federation, in particular on the basis of china's political position on the political settlement of the ukrainian crisis, as the document is called, which the chinese

made public on... mr. oleksandr, this week i visited kyiv the minister of foreign affairs of the federal republic of germany, anna lena burbok, and dmytro kuleba, during a joint briefing with her, stated that there are no arguments against allies helping to shoot down russian missiles in the western part of ukraine, at least. let's listen to what mr. kuleba said. we really ask. partners to consider the possibility that russian missiles, not russian planes, with russian pilots on board, but pieces of iron that bring death from russia to ukraine, so that they are intercepted from the territory of our partner countries, is

an alternative solution to this. just provide then, if you don't want to do it, then just provide us with all the necessary, all the necessary means for this, we will place them on the territory of ukraine, and we will intercept these missiles ourselves. on this initiative, federal chancellor scholz said, bilt writes, that this plan is very dangerous... safe chatter of warmongers, he criticized nato's plan to create a no-fly zone in western ukraine, in his opinion, this could turn germany into a war party and lead to unpredictable reactions putin, what unpredictable reactions of putin is scholz afraid of? mr. alexander? well, if you allow me, i will start a little differently, just a few days ago a very good

conference in tallinn ended, linant merik. conference, and timothy snyder spoke there, and he basically talked about one historical myth that is still in the minds of germans, that the second world war was an unjust aggression of the germans against the russians, in fact , most of this war was fought on the territory of ukraine, and the civilian population suffered, well, you know the history very well, i'm not talking about the fact that a large part of the red army consisted of ukraine. and actually these myths in the heads, this is the first part, and the second part is how russian nuclear deterrence works very well and works primarily in the heads scholz, as well as washington's strategists, think that by shooting down russian missiles, and they are absolutely clear about it...