and stalin understood no, not the strategic nature of these seas, their closed nature in any, with any aggressive action by russia, they can be closed, the russians started a war with ukraine, for their warships, the turks closed the black sea straits, do you think , the same will not happen in the baltics when russia tries to attack one. from her nato countries, the straits will close everything for them, it will be a bloc and sir, and you are considering the possibility, that is, i understand the concerns of the commander in chief of the swedish armed forces, yes, but you, this is still a theory, or should we look at practice and probability, the island of gotland is a huge island, it is completely separate, even, as they say, as there is a region there in the country, it is like a separate region of sweden.

if he is to be captured there, it is necessary to land a landing party, and the fact that one kegibist, peter's gatekeeper repeats peter the first, and the goal is to threaten the swede, it does not change anything, if they do it, then this is actually an act of declaring war on nato countries , then, well, otherwise it will not be possible to interpret, this is not a case study with borders, which disappeared on the map, on the website of the russian government, are these real plans or not? this is also part of the informational pressure on the west in the style of, well, we 're going to do nuclear tests, and we 're going to launch something into space, and we're going to talk about the island, you know, when russia and belarus conduct joint exercises, well, the first thing russia does is all the west its districts are conducting training on the seizure of the suval corridor, do you remember the 2017 event, well, strictly speaking, this is training. is training a threat, or

is training a preparation for real action? we are not we know how to believe that this is a threat, but to prepare for the worst, for real actions, which, as a matter of fact, our baltic neighbors are doing, the same training of the baltic fleet, practice, naval amphibious operation, amphibious forces. and a brigade of marines from baltiysk, actually speaking, they are working on an example, the same scenario, whether there will be a real landing, we do not know, you know, until the russians have made sure that we have anti-ship missiles there in the odesa area, ukrainian neptunes, american gartuns , they were cooking the landing on the odesa coast, but we remember it, mr. pavle, it just ends here. we could

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you. for the last few days, these migs of theirs have been flying five times a day, in the morning, during the day, at night, literally for half an hour and... and that's all, obviously they are training and intimidating our population in this way, and already many people are writing that this and there are these nuclear exercises, nuclear weapons exercises, do you think this is it and do we really have to be careful now when they announce such a first stage, there are two aspects here, first, and here there is both bad news and and and good . good news, good news is that, or rather, bad news, that the russians, starting from the first strikes of a large-scale attack, they practice, including tactical nuclear strikes, that's the bad news, and the good news is that this is not a nuclear

exercise in the sense that it would actually be, what's needed here, it's just important to understand, there are carriers, carriers of a double ... the purpose of the system is combat, which can be used, for which there can be nuclear ammunition, such and such systems can be from artillery to air bombs, well , there can be many things, in fact there are much less of them, but every time when flying x101 rocket, kh555, kh-59, even calibers, iskanders, each and every time the su-24 su' planes go up. 34 they could theoretically carry nuclear weapons, theoretically, so any strike like that that russia would make, there could be, from russia's point of view, an element of planning what would happen if they carried nuclear weapons. the good news is that since the end of the cold

war, an international system has been created that separates nuclear weapons, actually nuclear munitions from carriers, they are stored separately, so every time... when our partners they say that they see no signs of russia's preparations for a nuclear attack, that's true, they see no signs that a certain central storage facility from... that nuclear munitions have been obtained from there, that nuclear weapons control systems have been deployed in the troops, there is nothing like that, so when russia says that it is specifically conducting nuclear exercises on strategic weapons, it means that they are somewhere simulating equipping some of their nations with nuclear weapons, from what is known, they will not ... equip with real nuclear weapons, but they will be equipped with mock-ups, and now what they are doing, they are still east of moscow, in

the kaluga region, at one of these warehouses , they are equipping iskanders, it seems, calibers , iskanders and part, daggers, daggers and hummingbirds, well, this is one missile, and iskander m and dagger, they equip, conduct training there on equipping this missile with nuclear ammunition, this is actually training. and what flies and shoots at us, there has always been an element of practice, nuclear strikes for two years, but this does not mean that there is such a risk. or all this, what happens in them, can somehow encourage the event, let's say openly, you can use our weapons at your discretion, for legitimate military purposes, or it can sound directly, and not the way it sounds now from those. of the united states, see for yourself, decide, of course, we don't really want to, but well, in order to,

well, for example, in this case, protect kharkiv, what is needed is not official statements, but what we can or cannot we can, i think, we really can or can't, we'll only know when we see the weapons being used, no one will talk about it there publicly because it is sensitive. matter and concerns , among other things, the technical capabilities and programming of those missiles that fly, well, american missiles from the territory of ukraine. and as for official statements, there is an element of such mutual deterrence, until there is no sign that russia is preparing to use nuclear weapons, until there is such a direct public authorization. for ukraine on the part of the united states, emphatically, on the part of the united states, others, other nuclear

nato countries, france and the united kingdom, they do not reject such a possibility, and even now i will pay attention when, when the russians say that they are conducting exercises with strategic nuclear forces, in particular with kinzhal, a similar system, newer, is now being tested by france, they, they do it publicly. and show that not only russia has nuclear weapons, but as for the use of american weapons, specifically in the specific situation of the defense of kharkiv and the borders in general, the situation on the borders, i think there will be no public statements about this, we will simply see the result . and you can go back to ideas, we have already talked more than once when the f-16s lifted the polish air. it was the strengthening of the moments of shelling, in particular in the western regions of ukraine. at that time, it was always said whether there was

a theoretical or a practical possibility to shoot down cruise and other ballistic missiles from the airspace of poland in the airspace of ukraine. now, as of today , we do not know and do not understand whether we have asked this at the official level and asked our partners, but i see that it is in polish. the press writes that they are thinking about whether poland can for example, to defend in this way, shooting down the integrity of its territory in the sky above ukraine, we had an official request, it can go from theory to practice, it can go to practice, but not because not so much, not only, not so much because that there was such a request, there were certainly such requests, we also remember public campaigns, informational and political, that the sky is closed over ukraine, now there is a practical measure. it concerns 70 km from the western border of ukraine, in order to

close this zone of european air defense. this discussion began in connection with the intensification of the pan-european discussion about the common system. it's just that everyone saw that there is such a big problem, they saw it through our ukrainian experience, and the europeans are now making another attempt. to strengthen this single one, now it is so, so dispersed among different countries, to create a single european air defense system, the discussion was started by germany, and now the discussion has come to poland. well, germany, which started the discussion, they envisage such an option, they have it are discussing that if such a common european system is created or strengthened, to include in this, in this pan-european system, a single and integrated at least 70 km from the western border of ukraine. therefore, i think, within the framework of these discussions,

it becomes real, there are different positions, that is. slovakia said that they will never allow, will not allow germany to defend the territory of ukraine from the territory of slovakia. regarding poland, i think there are other considerations, but in principle, in principle the idea itself, it becomes practical within the framework of such pan-european trend. mr. oleksiy, we have a minute and a half left to talk, the information that russia has probably launched such an anti -satellite device into earth orbit that can attack others. satellites, the pentagon published, reported about it, is it possible to verify yes or no, and actually, is there any opposition to such an action? anti-satellite weapons are not news, in principle, i think, i think that in russia it is not such a priority, the anti

-missile defense equipment that exists, even in poland, and... they can shoot down satellites, shooting down a satellite, a satellite is no more difficult than shooting down an intercontinental ballistic missile, so anything that shoots down an intercontinental ballistic missile shoots down satellites, but there are certain, well, additional control elements, difficulties with this in this regard, in principle, such a weapon has now been tested connecting states, russia and and china, well, confirmed that there are such possibilities. the russians, because they're behind the united states and china, they, they, well , they're pushing this idea that you can launch a satellite, well, as they've always launched, any reconnaissance satellite, civilian, any, it can be placed, well, put into the same orbit where the satellites

of a potential enemy rotate, well, and programmed. the collision of such satellites, that's what they call anti-satellite weapons, in order to increase the effect, they even launched such an idea that it is possible to create, place nuclear explosive devices on such anti-satellites, we remember this, unfortunately, we have to interrupt you and say goodbye, because the time in ours is running away, thank you for the meaningful conversation, and next time let's continue this topic, oleksiy yezhak was with us, an analyst of the national institute of strategic... research, and now about a very important figure in ukrainian history: 145 years ago , simon petliura, the chief captain of the troops of the ukrainian people's republic, was born. more about him in our article. poltava - simona petlyura street. in 1879 , the future commander-in-chief of the troops

of the ukrainian people's republic was born in a house that has not survived to this day. the family estate, in which the large petliur family lived, is now being reminded. informational only board. he lived here from the time of his birth until 1902, until he left for the kuban. here stood not only the house where simon petlyura was born, but also his father's stable, since vasyl's father had a small carriage business. in our opinion, we can say that, well, let's put it this way, he was the private owner of a small taxi company. the petlyor family was deeply religious, for their parents. it was important to provide children with a good education that would pave the way to the higher world, says nataliya kuzmenko. at first, they were educated in a church-parochial school school, where they actually gave primary education, reading, writing, arithmetic, and later they went through the theological, theological school and theological seminary. why was it so important? because it was in this way that a child from

the middle class could get the opportunity to enroll. to higher educational institutions, and simon successfully enters the poltava theological seminary, according to the recollections of his henchman ivan rodychev petliura had a penchant for art, theater and writing, had a good voice and loved to sing. even in his youth, he fell in love with spiritual singing, right here in the spiritual seminary, he became one of the organizers of the choir, he was a conductor, he played the violin, he is here... he grew up under the influence of the works of taras shevchenko, ivan kotlyarevskyi, and the following phrase belongs to him: only idiots don't read books. house of the rusovys. what is now a wasteland, at the beginning of the 20th century was a place of attraction for ukrainians who nurtured the idea of ​​an independent state. at one of these parties, politician mykola mikhnovsky for the first time formulates the idea of ​​an independent

ukraine. young seminarian simon petlyura was present at this event. many researchers believes that his worldview as a statesman, as an independent person, was formed under the influence of the pamphlet independent ukraine and the ideas of mykola mikhnovsky. and actually everything started with this house. and in 1901, petliura did not finish his studies, then his favorite composer mykola lysenko, who was called a separatist in russian circles, arrived in poltava. simon, as the conductor of the seminary choir, decided to secretly invite the musician to the theological seminary, which quite gathered the leadership. this visit was not coordinated with the management, the seminary choristers prepared several musical works, incl. thresholds, one of the most revolutionary pieces of music. it was the turn of the question of who was guilty, and simon petliura, together with prokop poniatenko, his

associate, were forced to leave poltava, otherwise they would not have escaped arrest. thus, his spiritual education was not completed. to escape, petlyura left for the kuban. began journalistic activity, worked as a teacher, and later organized the archives of the kuban cossacks. when an employee like simon vasyliovych came to him petliura, he was very fascinated, because this person did not have to explain what to do, his level of knowledge made it possible to work with archival documents, to understand difficult handwriting, difficult wording, foreign documents, because he could translate them, so this study made it possible for him, who did not have an official certificate of graduation and... and so on and so forth, to do scientific work. for years in a row, heading the unr directorate, music and culture remain important components for petliura. he breaks through russian

information blockade and sends the ukrainian choir with a song that should prove to everyone that ukraine is rich in traditions, a self-identical state. this is a famous philanthropist and this is the tour of the ukrainian band with which he, with this song by leontovych, went to european countries. then. when ukraine was languishing in a ring of fronts, when the preservation of ukraine as such was at stake. due to the pro-ukrainian revolutionary path, wife olga and daughter lesya were often forced to live far from simenakh, but we are together tried to capture in photos. my favorite photo, definitely, is the photo of him next to his daughter, the 25th year. at this time, he had already experienced several attempts on his life, therefore... the family rarely appeared with him , they lived sometimes in the czech republic, then in poland, then they came to him again, and this is probably that

short period , when lesya could be near her father, look how happy this child is when she is near her father. olha panasivna, simon vasiliovych's wife, was faithful, they supported him in every possible way life, followed his economy, because many people say that. that he sometimes did not pay attention to whether he was dressed or whether he had lunch, especially when he was writing something or doing some work. the soviet authorities labeled petliur and all his relatives a traitor, and already under independent ukraine his status was revised. in honor of his memory, streets are renamed, musical and cinematographic works are dedicated, morals are created and monuments are erected. according to the decision of the competition commission, he should have been in this position already this year a monument to simon will appear. because his family house was close to this place, but the full-scale war took its toll and this process stopped, and despite everything, poltava

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