last week before last, what happened is more about strategy, strategy, how nato countries perceive the current threats, what challenges they see and communication with the industry, about those challenges, this year, of course, if you see the trend between last year and this year , every year there is more and more excitement about... the experience that ukraine has on the battlefield. this year, we non-stop gave some comments, explanations, demonstrated something and shared impressions with end users from different countries. all these countries are a nato block, mostly that's it specialists of radio-electronic intelligence of radio-electronic warfare, various branches and types of armed forces, what... well, everything

is of interest, everything is very interesting, very interested in the experience that can be obtained simply by having, some close contact and cooperation, do not expect to see such levels of knowledge and such approaches to solving the problem, while this all causes such a certain stress, but unlike last year, this stress gradually began to turn into some action point. last time i gave you comments that something good would happen in january, it happened, unfortunately, i cannot comment on this, but all these practical interactions with the armed forces and local contractors, i.e. manufacturers who are located locally in one or another western country, they acquired new meanings this year and i still do. i am in europe, based on

the results of this exhibition, i am visiting various manufacturers and conducting some practical negotiations, that is, you are preparing such platforms for new projects, where the western potential, based on your experience, can give rise to new products that will really help to fight the russian a threat, well, it can be argued that these sites have already been formed, they are already such bridgeheads, not sites, and from these... the ladies are already starting some practical aspects of practical cooperation, such as some help, service, weapons that were transferred by partners , as well as the creation of something that addresses the current challenges of the threat, and really causes not illusory, well, some kind of practical interest in western companies. mr. yaroslav, it is precisely the rebus segment here... is

the segment of radio technical intelligence most interesting to our partners, or the other simultaneously? and about the development of radio technology so meaningfully, i am not even ready to speak, to say that everything is of interest, first of all, it is of interest to the means of radio-electronic intelligence, after that the radio technician for radio-electronic warfare, i, i have such an impression. it turns out that the west has not yet directly recognized this threat of these means, small unmanned aerial vehicles, which have apparently been widely used on the battlefield in ukraine for several years. that is, i think that we will talk about this segment at the next exhibition tactical reb with western companies, so far there are no, well, no such talks. rap, in their understanding, is against anti-radar means and... means of suppressing satellite or

cellular or ground ground communication, until they can no longer do it, maybe a little anti-drone anti-drone fight, but only with some military drones at some long distances , that is, their concept has not yet changed and the paradigm and approach have not changed. well that's a bit strange because if i'm not mistaken you gave a talk on the fpv threat at the last conference drones on the battlefield, you know... these challenges, and i was hoping that after a year they would come up with solutions that would help to eliminate this threat, that's quite the case, it 's surprising to hear that they are so inert in terms of perception threats, how to prevent it, so that they work a little faster, well, now our government is working very fruitfully on this, to at least solve our local problem, and solving this local one. problem and communicating some

results of the application of those approaches that the event now offers us, we are just that bring this understanding closer to the west. countries that this is a problem, it is relevant, it is serious, it is systemic, and so far, well, there is, yes, there is a certain inertia, there is a certain inertia, although i already see certain materials from foreign bloggers, regarding what, for example, in at the same time , china itself has already started experiments on the use of fpv drones, that is, certain countries are already studying this experience, and will be studied accordingly. you are against drone fighting, and even such videos have already appeared in china , some nominal training, i think, another six months a year, and it will really respond there to in the west and some real decisions will be made, well, from a practical point of view. you have

two such tactical samples that relate to the detection of unmanned systems and the fight against these drones, these are the two developments that you carried. for these exhibitions, these are precisely the pluto system and the hydra system, can you tell us a little about them, whether they are purchased, what is the peculiarity of these things without going into too much detail, but to understand the potential and importance of these solutions, well, these are solutions that can be used separately , and compatible, the main idea was to make a means of warning about enemy reconnaissance, this is actually a pluton tool, or a warning about shocks... passive, which can be installed on some so-called expensive samples of western equipment , including, in order to directly warn the operator, and not distract him from entering some kind of radio-electronic intelligence with a guaranteed warning, this

interested western partners, because the systems that are supplied are, in principle, empty from this point of view, there is no such regular means. threat detection that concerns the hydra, also, again, while - from the point of view of the western partners, they have only begun to analyze the expediency of protection against fpv, their equipment, although footage from the battlefield shows, and these tsar-grills used, well, all parties are trying to act something, and the destroyed abrams is confirmation that... well , against such serious means as a modern battlefield tank, some cheap means of destruction can be used to destroy effective destruction, but as for hydra and pluton in our country, we are undergoing codification accordingly and

now we will be waiting for delivery order in order to provide our needs of our defense forces. mr. yaroslav, we still have a few minutes, i would like to ask about... the actions of the enemy, i know that you follow quite closely all the trends in the enemy's digital segment, i would like to ask you if there are any things that we should it is necessary to pay attention, and i would like to ask whether the enemy uses automated control systems on the battlefield, whether this segment somehow exists in the enemy, or whether it is something that is announced, but does not work, but let's start they are systems, it was announced, they have several systems, with varying effectiveness, there are automated control systems for air defense, air situation, they were worked out even before a full-scale invasion, and they work,

if it was not the first day, battlefield systems are not, as far as to my knowledge, they have not shown such high efficiency in real... application, now the enemy is actively working on finalizing them, and as far as i know, well, they are already more or less moving from the prototype stage to the stage of such on the third series application, the reason for this is more in the means of communication, that is , the blood vessels that must transmit this information, than in the maturity of the systems themselves and... a little bit about the russian reb, at a certain stage it was such a fetish, it was said that that russia has invested a lot in these systems, do we have the potential to either achieve parity with the enemy, or to find some asymmetric solutions that allow this accumulated

potential of the enemy slave to be minimized in some way, do we have any solutions in this direction, well, i'm honest saying... well as of now, i said and i repeat that we can call it a certain parity in our approaches, and understanding by reb and... both systems of electronic intelligence and systems of some kind of electronic influence, i would call it a certain parity , it exists, ah, loud speeches, loud statements at the beginning, not all of what was voiced and demonstrated on the training grounds, showed its effectiveness on the battlefield, and not saying everything, we can say and claim that far from everything . at the same time, it is not necessary to downplay our capabilities

the enemy, there are separate systems that are still demonstrating their certain effectiveness, and one way or another, we can, we observe false targets, high-speed false targets, flying over the kyiv region and there are reports, or some alerts, we see this is also electronic warfare, we see ... some successes in suppressing our reconnaissance aircraft, countering our fpv, etc., etc., this all speaks of the real actual capabilities of such an invisible segment as electronic warfare, defeating our warehouses, targeting reconnaissance aviation, these are also all elements that rely on radio-electronic intelligence in this case, so we have some kind of parity with the enemy, and we still... keep it, of course, we would like to get a qualitative advantage, it is more difficult for us, because we are

actually all completely within the reach of some strategic, strategic means of defeating the enemy, this does not allow us to deploy any long-term production or , well, greatly complicates this process, nevertheless, we also have something that we can be proud of, but we cannot talk about yet. sir roslav. thank you very much for the inclusion, for the explanation, for the fact that your company is doing everything to ensure that those things that already work on bolibo and those that we will be proud of in the near future appear. let me remind you that it was yaroslav kalinin, the director of the private company info-protection, whose experience adds power to our military, and actually surprises the nato countries, which, as we can see, do not have time to adapt the advanced experience that our developers have. that's how they were. the main military results of the day, more international and economic news later on vasyl zima's big broadcast, so stay tuned

to the espresso channel. thank you sergey, thank you to his guests, today was a long but thorough conversation. i would like to remind you that today the enemy launched an insidious terrorist attack on kharkiv, targeting a woodworking shop, where, by the way, at one time my books and the books of many ukrainian writers were printed, and in fact, i think that there is no such ukrainian writer whose books were not printed in these bookstores, and the books that you may not read were printed in these bookstores, but you know, books are painful, but it is still possible to print, unfortunately, people died, workers of this... printing house, in particular, the enemy is insidious, the enemy continues to destroy all ukrainian people, bookstores, printing houses, er,

coffee shops, buildings, and therefore it is very important to support today, well first of all, the amount of sympathy due to another attack by the enemy on kharkiv, kharkiv oblast, due to another victim, but it is important in this situation not to give up, you know, there are good words in the bible, if you give up, the roof will leak, well, this is figuratively speaking, no it means that the roof in the head will leak, one way or another, but... what about hands are supported, then there is hope, and it is important for us to support the armed forces of ukraine, and since we are not on the front line in the rear now, we have to do what we can do, because only this synergy of the front and the rear, it gives results, if somewhere will sag, then, then we can only hope for something, and we have to act and achieve results, so we ask you to join the collection for the repair of heavy armored vehicles in the combat zone in the solodarsk and zaporizhzhia directions. the repair and recovery regiment works mainly on the contact line or in the gray zone,

open sky in any weather, gray zone day and night, i think you understand it, already in the third year of a full-scale war, everyone roughly understands everything, not everyone has felt, not everyone knows what is there on the front, but they roughly understand that gray the zone is a constant risk, because it is actually not controlled by any of the parties, neither by our military nor by the aggressor's troops, so it is an even more dangerous zone, and for emergency... repair and return to the battlefield of damaged military equipment, in particular tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, we need a minibus that will deliver to the combat zone, mobile, repair teams and equipment, as well as: pneumo-hydraulic jacks for the prompt repair of foreign equipment, it is important to understand here that this is equipment that can be repaired if there are any minor damages , well, it can break down, maybe something has flown somewhere, and you also need to repair it, start it up, start it up, a working armored personnel carrier and a non -working armored personnel carrier are different things, a working armored personnel carrier, it shoots, and, for example, there is an armored personnel carrier, an armored personnel carrier,

an armored personnel carrier transports troops, but we understand it's great that the faster the tank works, the faster it works. the bmp will discharge its machine gun there, that the faster the armored personnel carrier will support the military and take them away, the more important it is. i ask you to join us, now we have, so now we, we should have started with sumy oblast, because there are also certain threats there, and there was also a statement today about whether the enemy has plans to advance again on sumy oblast, but we will now talk about slightly different topic, and then re. demo until now for a second, and then, if everything goes well, we will move to sumy region. dmytro barkara, media expert of the institute of mass information. i congratulate you, mr. dmytro. i congratulate you, mr. vasyl, i also congratulate the entire studio and dear tv viewers. thank you, for us today, on the one hand, the media issue is important, first of all for the media, and on the other hand, it is also

about war and politics and people's lives. so, the national council for television and radio broadcasting, which actually has published suggestions on how to cover the news under martial law, including words that are not recommended to call russian invaders, murderers, terrorists, absolute non-humans, that's what i'm saying so far very mildly, euphemistically, because they can create additional tension in society, i won't take you much time to read all that is implied , please tell me, here is this recommendation or how it is a recommendation and a proposal, how it should be perceived, what it can be caused and motivated, and final, so as not to give the opportunity to create additional tension in society and cause some kind of reaction from the enemy, this it is logic, i.e. a means b if you do not use these words, then the enemy will become gentler, there will be no tension in society,

please, you know, well, i would not focus here on... the enemy of us and on the situation in russian society, but in general, i would began to be perceived as appropriate and adequate, maybe there is something in the motivational part of this document that the national council will correct, but the point is that in general these are quite appropriate advice in view of the situation in ukrainian society, it is important for... this consumer of information for the ukrainian population, this is about the abusive one there is no point in using emotional vocabulary for quality journalism, it makes no sense for several reasons, one of them is

the devaluation of the efforts of our military, when we belittle the capabilities of the enemy's army as such, that is, by calling them various derogatory epithets , in this way we devalue the efforts of our military, who supposedly fight not against a real army, but against a wild crowd, which is not true, because we often, and often, heard such thoughts from the military. and such comments because they often have to to face a real army, with real specialists in military matters, and not only with some weaklings there, mobilized there or that, no matter what, in addition, in addition, such vocabulary, it shifts, perhaps, well, how

understanding in the audience, distorts makes the information not so honest, open, accessible, but simply refers, appeals to the emotions of the audience, evokes some emotions, but is not informative, well, the aspect that relates to the situation, or there at all, as far as the russians are concerned, then for us such vocabulary - inappropriate considering the fact that it is russian propaganda has the opportunity, it receives food in order to use it against us, to distort information, and based on the use of such vocabulary in... our media , to prove our aggressiveness on the international arena, to pretend that we are allegedly

guilty of something, well, in the meaning of the attack on ukraine, to prove, that's what comes to mind is the expression russian dehumanization, and that is, it gives a reason to expose ukraine, the ukrainian media, well actually. how aggressive it is to prove that we are nationalists there and all these and a number of these narratives, and actually, as far as i know, espresso did not use such words in the majority, at least most of its materials, and the institute of mass information never, rather, always recommended it to use such vocabulary, and the media that er... constantly manipulate such vocabulary, have never been and are not included in our list of responsible and honest media,

therefore, going back to the beginning, i would perceive these recommendations of the national council on television broadcasting as appropriate and completely adequate. yes, well, actually, i'm trying too use words like terrorist, say, if it's really a terrorist attack. today there was an attack on kharkiv, it is not a military operation of the army, it is a terrorist attack, a group of terrorists, well, russia is actually a terrorist state, but of course, but on the other hand, if we talk about these words, because the council recommends for the media , but this is perceived by society as if we can’t, and these are bloggers, different people there, who are leaders of public opinion, activists, who are people who run youtube channels, and ah... no these words are possible, but if we remember, i remember very well the 22nd year, when these songs began that spread on all radio stations, i will not

repeat them now, of course, but there appeared these words about chmon, about orcs there and such and such and such, these words were used, by the way, by the way, then the person who spoke from the office of the president, who was hired by the office of the president oleksiy aristovych. used such disparaging words very often, we remember his phrase: the russian army is not strong, but it is long, but now this person is abroad, according to me he is sitting in the states, it is obvious to me, it is not long enough to reach the states, it is long enough to reach, say, vovchansk, arstovych does not care, i am leading to the fact that the authorities tolerated it , do you remember these songs with the sayings of that amazing person, a businessman from kirovohrad region, a povorysnyuk, who was called differently there, and it all happened, and it took root, and it took root today. in some media that actively use it, so i'm only hinting at that because from the beginning it was tolerated by the authorities, or at least by the people who

spoke on behalf of the authorities, and it was already picked up, how would it be important to speak today instead, well, apart from acceptable words, and on the other hand, is it really, if ukraine, at least in its official mass media, which have licenses and do not use such words, it will somehow... strengthen society, relieve tension, which, what will be achieved is not the most important thing, and this should be understood, please, well - the first, regarding what happened during the two years, perhaps, we all remember that obscene language even started to enter the tv airwaves, maybe at some point some kind of sharp emo outlet was needed. at that moment, and no one had such an emotional basilisk, and as for the power of the political will to regulate this issue and correct this

vocabulary there, well, at that moment, but already such bright emotions have long passed, we have to perceive reality more, let's say so , pragmatically, realistically and... once again, take into account these points that indicate that we do not it is actually very beneficial to use it, and as for the government, well, the government, speaking in general terms, the government is not a specialist in communications, we also know about certain punctures, yes, there are many of the highest authorities in communications, but at the same time ... this is precisely the question of the national council at the moment, and at the end of the day it is about the recommendations, as i understand it, at the moment there is no question

of... any possible sanctions for non-compliance with these recommendations, because what is it, what does it change today, i don't know if it will somehow change a serious situation society, at least, but at least, well , as far as the legal field is concerned, we, from different sides, and human rights defenders and media workers and public organizations are working on fixation. crimes of the russian media, yes , their genocidal vocabulary, in particular, and accordingly, it is desirable that we do not use such vocabulary, do not be the same, and this will probably give us the opportunity to take a more favorable position in some future international courts, and again, we remember about...

the attitude towards this vocabulary on the part of the military, maybe somehow we will help them psychologically if we stop massively humiliating and belittling their efforts, well , it is a matter of time, it is clear that if we stop using this vocabulary today, then today or tomorrow nothing will change significantly, but it looks like that this war will continue for some time. maybe for years, and so, over time, this will obviously have an effect on the situation in society, on the perception, on creating a more serious perception of the situation, often we see a light-hearted perception of this war by those who who are not directly related to it, or even a part of society that

sees it with their own eyes. even shelling and maybe i will be reformatted for a while and this attitude will become more serious, maybe it will somehow affect the motivation, the desire to participate in the defense, to join the armed forces, it will somehow affect the mobilization processes for their relief, improvement, well, shock. as for the future, here we can only make assumptions, the national council has taken a step, time will pass, we will see how it will have an impact, the results, well yes, of course, really, even now i'm watching a video, not the beginning of a full-scale invasion, but now there is some black, black skin color, a russian, i don't know, not ethnic, obviously, swinging a stick to shoot down a drone, then another russian

is spinning, spinning. spins a grenade launcher, then , well, this is not a grenade launcher, but a cartridge, he throws it, because he does not know how to use it, well, there are those too, that is , it is clear that they recruit different people, there are different ones, but of course, which army, which one continues, the ones that launch missiles, the ones that actually perform some complex operations, that a professional army, but the main thing should not change from that, the main thing is that we should not wash, murderers and terrorists, invaders, occupiers, this is, and the other is the main thing. that certain opinion leaders adhere to this and not send it to society, i thank you very much for joining, thank you for commenting dmytro barkar, media expert of the institute of mass information, but again , dmytro spoke about this , that the espresso tv channel actually never succeeded, except that we have a number of programs that, let's say, are sharpened so that with a certain from a certain angle, or to show this war, or , on the contrary, to tell, like my colleague olga, about what is going on in russia, this is such

a genre. there is that of a kind of journalism, tv journalism, but of course, we always try to tell our informational programs as it is, but again, we must not forget certain words about the russians, remove them, because they are terrorists, they are murderers, they are the invaders, these are the occupiers, people who in the majority of the majority of cases act completely outside morality, outside the law, actually this war is already a violation any laws and any rights and international and... and moral literally in a moment i will tell you about the news: good evening, we are from ukraine, and actually, we will start with kharkov, the number of victims due to the russian shelling of the city has increased to 13 dergachi in kharkiv oblast, including thursday