of the parliament and the president. well, we understand that it is impossible not to hold elections forever. we do not know when the war will end, but, well, there is a time lag in everything, when society can accept and recognize the risks of existence, the possibility of holding elections, but it cannot last forever, this is the first question, that is, they have somewhere... there should be some reasonable period of time that will allow moving according to the inertia of the political process, and then one way or another the issue of elections will arise, even during martial law, this is the first position, the second position, if we are talking about reformatting and the acquisition by the parliament of its subjectivity, as well as the redistribution of power in favor of the government and the parliament from the bank. solutions, then this can

only be done by forming a government of national stability, i say a government of national stability on purpose, and not a government of national unity, because in my opinion there are two big differences, as they say in odessa, and the first difference is that the government of national unity is a question of the participation of other political forces in the coalition government, quotas, political quotas of their representatives in the government, we are talking about the possibility of a technocratic government of national standing. from technocrats and the possibility of attracting from various political environments people who are not delegated by a political party, but who are specialists, enjoy the trust of the expert community or some professional professional community, and these people can really enter the government, and then the government should be collegial, it must be the way he takes responsibility for the implementation and implementation of the policy, then he is the way, in

particular, he does not just take it upon himself responsibility, he is the prime minister's team, and accordingly, he ceases to be a machine for legalizing decisions that come down from the banking side, but then it can really restart the power system, it can and it can give a certain additional impetus to the stability of the power system itself in ukraine. mr. vitaly, let's talk about foreign policy. because literally in a few days in switzerland , on june 15-16, a global peace summit will take place and, of course, the main intrigue is who will represent the united states of america and whether there will be a representative of china global peace summit, can this global peace summit affect and how can it affect the russian-ukrainian war? i don't have high expectations, let's say, overestimated. we expect from the peace summit,

first of all, there are unlikely to be decisions that will stop, like magicians, a button, on, off, yes, there will be no such switch that will turn off into war, hardly any agreements that can be spoken there , will already be a road map, forcing russia to make peace, but there will be discussed several cases that are very important for ukraine, this is a question of... traffic of people and goods, this is a question of exchange of prisoners, this is a question of humanitarian policy, a question of nuclear security, which concerns all of humanity, not only ukraine, but these questions will most likely have some continuation, and solutions, or, at least, efforts to come to some solutions, they will influence the formation of the general global agenda, and this in turn will put pressure on russia, in particular. pushing russia to a more

constructive position on the war in ukraine, and to a large extent the effectiveness of this summit will depend on the format in which china participates in this summit, in particular, who apart from the prime minister of india from the global south will agree at the highest level to also participate in this summit, or what the powers of their representatives will be, or that. .. will the participation of conveying one's position and that's all, or will it really be participation in the discussion with the development of some joint decisions? and for now i am such a restrained realist and believe that this is only the first step being taken, but to a real framework, a global framework for settlement, some the framework of the new world order, the step towards the new world order is still far enough away. well, but against this background, if we have already started talking about china, we have witnessed it. as

the british government has said it has intelligence that china intends to or is supporting russia with weapons, the united states of america has no data yet on providing china with arms to russia, said national security adviser to the president of the united states of america jake sullivan. let's hear what sullivan said. we didn't see that in 2022, we didn't see that in 2023, we don't see it now either. i look forward to speaking with the uk to make sure that... we have a shared operational picture, i want to better understand exactly what was meant by that comment. mr. vitaly, i have the impression that everyone sees the situation differently, seemingly obvious things, and what xijin

pin says, the way he behaves with vladimir putin, shows that these two countries are definitely too close, one to one, much closer than,... the united states of america to great britain or the united states united states of america to ukraine. could it be that the british see this story with the help of russia, and the united states of america, well, they may not see this story. well, there might be a game of good cop and bad cop. some are establishing relations with china, looking for understanding, trying to convince beijing to take certain actions, not to do something, or to persuade it to do something. and others play the role of such an evil policeman who claims that there is real evidence of the provision of lethal weapons to the russians, although i want to remind you that back in the year 22

an instruction in russian, which was called the instruction for the operation of chinese military equipment, was circulating on the internet from the direction of chernihiv, so i will not be surprised that the british say they really have some confirmed information. providing the chinese and russians with a certain amount of lethal weapons, if it was a large amount, we certainly felt it ourselves, so far we may be talking about some small parties, or maybe this is a political game against the background of the aggravation of the situation of the new taiwan, military exercises, not so much blinkin's productive trip to beijing, the american-chinese negotiations on a major case, the attempts of the americans , after all, to encourage pokim to take part in a conference in switzerland on the war in ukraine, these can all be elements of a diplomatic game to encourage a constructive position. at the moment

, it seems to me that this cannot be done, who nevertheless chooses a sufficiently pro-russian position, and if britain confirms that it has this information and publishes it there as well. indeed , the evidence is strong, then china can no longer claim even a role, not that the negotiator, he chooses then, it is very bad for us, but chooses then a place on the other side of the barricade, china meanwhile conducts large exercises near taiwan, and beijing is called punishment for separatist actions, the official representative of the chinese foreign ministry. wenbei called the training of the chinese army a serious warning to those forces that support taiwan's independence. let's hear what he said. joint exercises and training conducted by the chinese people's liberation army eastern theater command near

the island of taiwan are designed to protect national sovereignty and territorial integrity, severely punish the separatist forces for striving for independence. taiwan and seriously warn foreign powers against interference and provocations. the training fully complies with international law and practice, is fully justified and necessary. global preres, mr. vitaly, cites sources from the ministry of defense of china and writes that the people's liberation army of china may invade the island of taiwan at the beginning of june this year, how likely is this scenario? well, there is such an expression, the last one chinese. yes, and these are not the first, not the last such exercises, global with the use of various types of weapons and types of troops, but which demonstrate the determination of the chinese army to punish separatism, these escalations happen

constantly from time to time look like preparations for an invasion, but at the moment the situation is really getting worse, we can see it in korean as well. the kinchin peninsula actually shows the presence of new types of missile weapons and the readiness to use them, the escalation and the break from... with south korea, it is already permeates both the ideology and the practice of north korea, they are no longer talking about the unification of the country, the capture of the enemy country called south korea, they are revising their entire political mythology in general, these are also manifestations, because korea, north korea is a hand tool of china , china is strengthening its military presence in the region, it is actively modernizing. the navy, he carried out an additional strengthening of the personnel,

the newest weapons were transferred to the fleet, regular amphibious landings are practiced, as many specialists as possible are involved, that is, i i do not rule out that this time, well, maybe not in june, but china can come close enough to the issue of a military operation, but again, as far as i am concerned, the probability... of this, it is somewhere average, higher than usual, but it medium, because there are again negotiations ahead, ahead are the presidential elections in the united states, ahead, talks of an economic nature, of a global economic nature, let's say, where china still wants to get its piece of the economic pie, then there is a conversation about transport corridors, the final the purpose of which... is the european union, therefore, if china is really preparing for a war in taiwan,

it would not be for it, it is very important not to lose european markets or, not to allow a significant part of european countries to switch to an openly conference policy with regard to china, that is, most likely not, than yes, i would say, thank you, thank you mr. vitaliy, it was vitaliy kulyk, director of the center for researching civil society problems. friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel and our next guest is oleksandr kharchenko, director center for energy research. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening. mr. oleksandr, let's start with the current situation with the energy industry in ukraine, and how would you describe the situation, in particular as of may 23? in which state we are now and is this the point beyond which

electricity will be more problematic, or is it possible that what we are experiencing now is a temporary difficulty, and we have the opportunity to restore part of the generation, if not for a test, then in some small way power plants, well you you know, any difficulties, they are always... temporary, but this temporary, well, at least for two years this time, the damage to the power system that we have now, the destroyed er-er blocks of power plants, which are really going to be restored as soon as possible and it is impossible, but they contained the power with which ukraine itself fed consumers. now, when we are in deficit, this deficit even in the most favorable time

is 10-15% of the required capacity, in july-august it will increase to 20-25% and in winter it will also be about 20% of what we have it is necessary, of course, in such a situation to operate the power system is difficult, well, this is an objective reality, it is not armageddon, we will not die, but we need to... understand, all ukrainians, each of us must understand that the next, at least two years, the situation will be quite difficult, and consumer restrictions will essentially be a normal phenomenon, that is , there will definitely be a 3-4 hour break in energy consumption per day, and you need to prepare for it, you need to adapt to it, there is no other advice, by the way, chairman. ice plant ukrenergo volodymyr kudrytskyi said on suspilnoy that

ukrainians should learn to live with the lights off and prepare for a harder winter. let's listen to what mr. kudrytsky said. this winter will be difficult, because consumption naturally increases in winter, and even taking into account the plans to restore generation that exist today, it is quite likely that the possibility will be completely ruled out... mr. oleksandr, how and in what way can ukraine overcome the deficit of electricity in the country. well, actually there are not many tools, there are only two of them: the first is to restore those power units, which can be restored, and the work on those parts of our power system, those parts of the generating stations, which can be restored within six, eight, nine months, is ongoing, as is the work on

hydroelectric plants, which need even more time to restore, but no less they will be restored. but there is a certain part of capacities, first of all coal-fired power plants, which are destroyed and no longer subject to restoration, in fact, and we need to replace these capacities with new generation, new distributed generation, small gas-piston and gas-turbine installations, which will literally be scattered around the country, and thus will actually be very difficult to hit, at least significantly more difficult than ... these large soviet power units, which are very centralized, and where one missile can essentially take out hundreds of megawatts are out of order, if we build a distributed system, then such attacks will no longer be effective, but mr. oleksandr, it is clear that the situation we are in now is probably also a question

of the soviet legacy, and the main thing is that post-soviet... legacy, when some groups, oligarchic groups, held all control over the energy market, and in principle, no, no one thought that instead of ten theses, you could put 100 small gas turbine stations there and develop them in this way, why during the entire period of the war, 10 years we have been in the war, why did no one even think about this, that... we are very vulnerable both in terms of how it can be put out of order and in terms of what principle, and with hes, we can also have problems, well, with any, with atomic we also have a problem with the power plant in zaporizhzhia, because it was seized by the russian occupiers, why didn't it happen

in your way, well, let's be frank, energy was... very monopolized, monopolized by the state first of all and by certain oligarchic groups on the other hand, and everyone was interested in the status quo, because the level of corruption that essentially prevailed, let's call it that, during most of the time of ukraine's independence , it was precisely in the energy sector that a huge part of the oligarchic capital was invested in the energy sector, so... well, actually there were conditions when no one was interested in development, in fact energy was extracted, everything that could be squeezed out of it was squeezed out of it, and no one absolutely thought about the need to restore both the generation and the general infrastructure, so you you know, i'm not ready to name names there, because

there will be hundreds and thousands of them who could and did not influence... the processes that took place in the energy sector, at the same time as the blackouts, information appeared about the possibility of an increase in electricity prices, can it happen, to what extent can it this increase is going to happen, and the main thing is whether it's going to affect, let's say, the amount or volume of electricity that goes to consumers, look... now that's going to be a difficult answer, because on the one hand, well, i'm not a government representative, so i can't tell you if there will be an increase or not , that's a decision that is obviously made there at the highest political level, but as to how much it should be done and how, importantly, it should be done, that's

a whole other conversation, because the traditional promotion path is now... uh, if you just take and raise, somehow increase the tariffs for the population, then this is such, you know, a dead-end idea, because in fact all this money, from the fact that the tariffs have increased, they will simply go to two state companies, they will not go anywhere else, these companies of ukrhydroenergo, and this is about 15%, and energoatom is about 85% of all the money that is actually... paid by the population, but what will happen next, because in my opinion, the focus should now be on the reconstruction of the damaged and... . the construction of new power units, precisely the distributed generation that we talk about a lot let's say, and in the meantime, energoatom is building new reactors, which even theoretically

will not appear earlier than 12-15 years from now, but funds are actually invested there, which energoatom raises wherever it can, according to my logic, the tariff for the population has been increased, the money got into energoatom and went to the construction of... nuclear power units, which in the best case will appear in 10-12 years, to me, as a ukrainian consumer, it looks, to put it mildly, ineffective, so if we talk in principle about a change in tariffs for the population, then it is necessary not to change the tariffs for the population, but to radically change the systems of financial functioning of the electricity market, to remove all kinds of special duties, through which all the money will actually go to energoatom. this is how it is arranged now, the cleaning of various administrative regulations that are completely unnecessary, cleaning, which is important, because if

you switch to real market prices for the population and for other institutions, as now for business, business pays the market price for electricity, the population is subsidized and subsidizes with such a mechanism that all the money that the population pays actually goes , i repeat, to the energy atom, so if you remove it. if we introduce a market price for the population with a normal subsidy and with a normal mechanism of specifically targeted assistance, then firstly, corruption schemes will disappear, and we are talking about hundreds of millions of hryvnias, and they will simply be liquidated at the root, and secondly , conditions will appear in order for private investors to go into the energy sector, go into the construction of the same small power units, there will be conditions for... small medium-sized companies could invest in such and such energy development, and in my opinion, this is essentially the only effective way to restore our

generating capacity, to return to a situation where ukrainians do not live in regimes of literally daily restrictions, and whatever you advised our tv viewers that in these power outages, which the devices may not... turn on or somehow save, or these outages, which are systematic, well, now systematic from children and from other companies, that this is enough, can we somehow everyone should join in order to save electricity, so that there is not a lot of consumption, so that this electricity goes to a good cause, well, look, i don't believe in pink unicorns, that is, i don't believe that they exist. in reality, so no matter how much we talk about saving, no matter how much we try, but believe me, in my information bubble, there, especially on facebook, every day i read appeals

to save electricity and posts of people who say, well, that's how we save , and so we save, and somehow we save, but in such a way constantly studying the situation, i can tell you that all these savings do not reduce consumption by more than 1-2% realistically, so ... i do not really believe that the appeals by themselves will produce results, real results in terms of reducing consumption, let's call it optional, they can only give, it can only give a change in the price of electricity to the real market price, but if this happens, you know, i remember the difference in how ukraine consumed gas in the 13th year and in the 15th year, in the 13th. we consumed 72 billion cubic meters, in 2015 as many as 31, no one died at the same time, everything worked, but simply

in the interval they introduced the market price, the real market price, removed corruption, removed theft, in fact, from the gas market, then theft almost disappeared, at least 75 percent of the largest, and the result was achieved in order to for the same... to happen in electricity, it is necessary to introduce market prices and targeted support for those who need it. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation, it was oleksandr kharchenko, director of the energy research center. friends, we are conducting a survey during this broadcast, we are already finishing this survey, let's look at its results, are you ready for an increase in electricity prices? 19% yes and respectively 801% no - these are the results. on tv and on youtube, we have 26 yes 74% no, i put a full stop on that, it was the verdict program by sergei rudenko, goodbye.

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