other consequences, because really, for us , our war is the center of everything, and we invest in it, for them, of course, the geopolitical schedules are a little different, and i think they are betting on several directions at once, that is why they are trying yes, let's say, well, to maneuver, but well, it's difficult for me to explain, because i'm here now with you in this denser event, i think only this, because... well, they have the opportunity and they and even more europe should have the opportunity to provide us with their capabilities, if they wanted russia to at least already stopped advancing there and its potential was destroyed. the elementary things i am talking about, which do not require them to directly intervene in hostilities, but could put the russian federation in place to show the whole world what kind of peace they are in europe. they

influence something, i have already said many times, i once submitted a decree on the closed sky, back in the 21st year before the start of the war, i asked to close the sky, and everyone treated it like that, sometimes even skeptically, so what is a closed sky, like this maybe, well, israel showed how it is perhaps when iran was striking him. now i would see it, when france, for example, declares that we can send our fighters to ukraine, britain is there... some people in power do not rule it out either, they do not deny it, i would i saw it, well, we know that there are many patriot systems in europe, there are the same poles who will be next, or other nato countries, well, in the depths of ukraine to a depth of about 50 km, i am in their place, globally, if they think globally and want to remain players like at least at the level of europe, and to be reckoned with in the world, to install...

patriot systems and say: look, we are not entering the war, but our task is to shoot down every russian missile that flies at a civilian object ukraine, if it is not the trenches on the front line, and we will shoot down every missile that approaches closer than 100 km to the border, let's say, ukraine, and the eu countries, and this is not an entry-war, this is a real declaration of defense. european countries that are there in the european union and protection of the ukrainian civilian population, it is normal and i think it is right, and i do not know if the russian federation bypassed it and did something to them because of everything there, i do not know the notes of protest, it is very difficult to do, because these are normal declarations, and you can start from this, go further and further and further, because this is , look at kharkiv, which, by the way, you were in the wind, this is precisely the question of what...

russia is striking civilian objects, the whole of europe is watching , so you can take such steps, i don't know why they don't they do, it's fear, or some sick game of diplomacy, but the fact that they don't do it, well, history, at least, won't forgive it. from a technical and legal point of view, colonel, the polish authorities are already considering the possibility of involving the country's air defense systems in shooting down russian missiles over ukrainian territory near the borders, the spokesman of the polish ministry of foreign affairs, pavel wroy, said. we know that zelensky has already announced a visit to france, and there he will also consider the issue of closing the sky, well, at least in the western part of our country, so we will wait for this decision, and at the very end of our conversation, i would like to ask how you assess the current situation with mobilization in ukraine, on may 18 , the law on making changes to the procedure for mobilization, as well as accounting for military obligations, entered into force. them, you, as the secretary

of the profile committee, what would you say, how satisfied both in the parliament and in the military leadership are with the changes and pace at which we conscripts are now being registered or having their data updated in the tsk, including through the application reserve plus. look, i would divide your question into two pleasures. this is the result and the process, but i am not satisfied with the process, for example , because, let's say, a lot of cool things have been done, here is the ministry of defense, this reserve, but i have a lot of questions, especially for the military leaders, when it happens now, when people come to update, for example, data even for reservations, who work in the defense-industrial complex and are taken away and have to speak with representatives there and explain. you are gentle, there are many

normal, adequate people who are coming to meet you, but at the same time, let's say, they may have questions, but they, let's say, see strategically, some leaders do not see anymore. they don't see beyond their tsk and there is a soldier in a trench, they don't see that this soldier needs to build a drone or make a projectile, because if we drive everyone into the trenches, then tomorrow there will be nothing to shoot at, and this is the problem, this is what we are facing today , by the way, we had a committee and we solved this problem, now we have collected the issues, including those i raised, we submit them as proposals to the government, they have to uh fix it, and the result, well , i'll tell you what... according to my information, uh, the result now exceeds all expectations, but as of the latest, i won't name the numbers, but it's the biggest , apparently, i don’t know, well, i won’t say since, but probably within a year, so

the result is really there, and it makes me happy, well, that is , we expected much less, but we got much more, right, i don’t think i’m waiting, we’re waiting with... always more, but now there is a question that due to the fact that people came to update and people understood there some rules, and sometimes, when, let's say, they took away those who were needed, that is, let's say, the number of people, now we need to make them quality, and now we need to regulate that those people who are needed for the defense of the industrial complex, for the operation of critical infrastructure, they still remained, because , well, you can, let's say, still... put everyone in a trench and be left without ammunition, without weapons and without the economy. thank you, colonel, for the conversation, it was roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, colonel security services of ukraine. friends, we continue to work live on

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thank you for joining our broadcast. congratulations you. let's start our conversation with the last few days, during which in... in the verkhovna rada, during which we are watching these events, and it seems that a separate part of the people's deputies is trying to return the subjectivity of the parliament and, nevertheless, to move the center of decision-making from bankova street to hrushevsky street, considering that this is a parliamentary-presidential republic, two questions that were requested to be put to a vote by the representatives of european solidarity, the creation of the tsk on fortifications and consideration in the second reading of the draft law on the ban of the orthodox church in ukraine. the first question was voted. second, at the beginning

of june, the verkhovna rada will consider, and before considering this draft law, at the request of a monomajority, elected representatives must collect 240 signatures, the collection is conducted by... the government party and the opposition, let's see what representatives of both the opposition and the government say. collect several factions. ours collected more than 100, 120, 120, the process continues, other factions are also collecting votes. our task, it was the wish of the majority fraction, to collect more 240 votes, because then they will be convinced that this law will pass, we will all vote for it, and many opposition factions too, they are worried. that it will look bad if half of the ruling faction does not vote, i don't think this process will be completed this week, i think it will take a little more time, because now many colleagues in the line of the couple are on a business trip, and they have to to do personally, but it is definitely

more than, well, more than 150 signatures, mr. vitaly, stefanchuk says that there are no er... places for political discussion during the war, there should be a political discussion, how do you view the attempt to return to the subjectivity of the parliament? i don't see anything wrong with the subjectivity of the parliament, because it was really correctly said, after all, we are a parliamentary-presidential republic, and it is obvious that the parliament has a role in the formation of politics, and not all politics should be in the hands of the banks, although of course we understand , which is in supreme command, determines policy, determines military, defense policy, but with on the other hand, there are a number of issues that still fall within the competence of the verkhovna rada, the majority of the verkhovna rada. and in particular the cabinet of ministers is responsible and reports to the verkhovna rada, so i

don't see anything wrong with the parliament's authority, the parliament should, should be subject in any case, of course, that the bank may not like it, because it believes that now the parliament must vote like a carbon copy, like a serax, all decisions generated by banks are another story, but by and large the parliament should play a role, in particular parliamentary control over... defense, the security sector and trying to keep a hand on the course of economic processes, in particular the mobilization of the economy, this is the task of the parliament, and what the presidential majority is trying to prevent from realizing is all these opportunities for parliamentary control , this seems to me to be a problem, the parliament, despite everything. i am not

talking about the fact that there is no majority, but there is a situational majority of the people plus satellites, but so far they are voting, well, more or less effectively, although a whole package legislative acts, is not postponed, or is not brought into the hall, certain... problems are created for introduction, for consideration, artificial obstacles are placed for introduction in the hall, if there is no consensus of various groups that vote for the servants of the people on certain issues, this there are already certain signs of a political crisis, but at the moment we can say that after the turmoil with the military command, after the adoption of the law on mobilization and a number of personnel. appointments , the parliament postponed in time to solve the problems

that had accumulated within the majority, postponed in at the time of resolving the wishes of the allies of the same servant of the people party, their faction, but this does not mean that this issue has been removed at all, it is not closed on the contrary, it is simply invested in time, and the tension in the parliament is increasing, perhaps almost all deputies are about it. .. confirms that sooner or later the parliament will face a crisis, and then the servants will have trouble voting effectively. at the moment they have the results of the vote, the parliament should finally return to subjectivity after all, and part of the policy, which should be generated under the competence of the constitution, assigned to the competence of the parliament, should be returned there. not the consecration of voting produced somewhere on the sidelines of banking decisions or

legislative initiatives or directly draft laws that are developed for deputies through stakeholders, people to whom these laws concern, because now the main problem of law-making activity, in my opinion, is that actually from this work, work by stakeholders, work with those who will be, whose work, whose life will be regulated by these legislative it was for mobilization, it was with a number of economic laws, where a dialogue with the expert community was simply ignored or simulated, but i believe that if we talk about the subjectivity of the parliament, this is precisely the return of the discussion, the return of the process of making certain decisions in the parliament, and i will not go down somewhere on the side, and the involvement of stakeholders directly. those affected by these laws. ah, you said that there might well be a political crisis, but

how, in short, how can one survive this political crisis when the country cannot conduct parliamentary and presidential elections. well, we understand that it is impossible not to hold elections forever. we don't know when the war will end, but, well, there is a lag in everything. a time when society can accept and recognize the risks of existence, the possibility of holding elections, but it cannot last forever. this is the first question, that is , there should be some reasonable time interval from which it will be allowed to move according to the inertia of the political process, and then one way or another the question of elections will arise, even during martial law, this is the first position, the second position, if we are talking about reformatting and the acquisition by the parliament

of its subjectivity, as well as the redistribution of power in favor of the government. parliament from banking, backroom decisions, then this can be done only by forming a government of national stability, i say deliberately a government of national stability, and not a government of national unity, because in my opinion these are two big differences, as they say in odessa, and the first difference is in that the government of national unity is a question of the participation of other political forces in the coalition government, quotas, political quotas of their representatives in the government, we are talking about the possibility of... a technocratic government of national stability made of technocrats and the possibility of attracting from various political environments people who are not delegated by a political party, but who are specialists, enjoy trust in the expert community or some a professional to a professional community, and these people can actually enter the government, and then the government must be collegial, it must be one that

takes responsibility for the implementation and implementation of policy, it ... then it is like, in particular, he does not just take responsibility, he is the prime minister's team, and accordingly, he ceases to be a machine for legalizing decisions that descend from the banking side, but then it can really restart the government system, it can and it can give a certain additional impetus for the stability of the government system itself in ukraine. mr. vitaly. let's talk more about foreign policy, because in just a few days in switzerland , on june 15-16, the global peace summit will take place, and of course the main intrigue is who will represent the united states of america and will there be a chinese representative at this global peace summit, can this

global peace summit affect and how can it affect the russian-ukrainian war? i don't have... i don't have high expectations, let 's say, inflated expectations from the peace summit, firstly, there are unlikely to be any decisions that will stop like a magic button on off, yes, there won't be any such switch that will start a war, it is unlikely that the agreements that can be negotiated there will already be a road map, forcing russia to peace, but several cases will be discussed there. which very important for ukraine, this is the issue of the traffic of people and goods, this is the issue of the exchange of prisoners, this is the issue of humanitarian policy, the issue of nuclear security, which concerns all of humanity, not only ukraine, but these issues will most likely have some continuation, and solutions, or, at least, efforts to come to

some kind of solution, they will influence the formation of global agendas, and this in turn will be you... on russia, in particular, pushing russia to a more constructive position on the war in ukraine, and a significant to a certain extent, the effectiveness of this summit will depend on the format in which china participates in this summit, in particular, who besides the prime minister of india from the global south will agree at the highest level to also participate in this summit, or what will be the authority? of their representatives, whether it will be the participation of conveying one's position and that's all, or whether it will really be participation in the discussion with the development of some joint decisions, but for now i am such a restrained realist and believe that this is only the first step being taken, and to the real framework, a global settlement framework, some kind of framework

for a new world order, a step towards a new order is still far enough away, but against this background, if we have already started talking about china, we have witnessed how the british government declared that it has data, intelligence data about , that china intends or supports russia with weapons, the united states of america does not yet have data on the provision of chinese weapons to russia, said jake sullivan, the adviser to the president of the united states of america on national security. let's hear what sullivan said. we didn't see that in 2022 year, we didn't see it in 2023, we don't see it now, i'm looking forward to talking to great... britain to make sure we have a common operational picture. want to better understand what exactly was meant in this comment? mr. vitaly,

i have the impression that everyone sees the situation differently, seemingly obvious things, and what sidzin pini says, the way he behaves with vladimir putin, shows that these two countries are definitely too close to each other one, much... closer than the united states of america to great britain, or the united states of america to ukraine. could it be that the british see this story with the help of russia, and the united states of america, well, they may not see this story. well, there might be a game of good cop and bad cop. some are establishing relations with china, looking for understanding, trying to convince beijing of certain actions, something. not to do, or to be inclined to do something, and others play the role of such an evil policeman who claims that there is really evidence of providing the russians with lethal

weapons, although i want to remind you that back in 22 an instruction in russian, which was called the instruction for the operation of chinese military equipment, was circulating on the network from the direction of chernihiv, so i am not surprised that the british say that they really have... some confirmed information about providing the chinese and russians with some lethal weapons in a certain amount, if it was a large number, we would certainly have felt it ourselves, so far we may be talking about some small parties, or maybe this is a political game against the background of the worsening situation around taiwan, military exercises, which are not very effective blinken's trips to beijing, american-chinese negotiations on a major case. attempts by the americans to encourage pokim to take part in a conference in switzerland on the war in ukraine, all of these may be elements

of the diplomatic game to encourage beijing to take a constructive position. at the moment , it seems to me that it cannot be done, beijing still chooses a sufficiently pro-russian position, and if britain confirms the presence of this. information and it will be published and there will be really strong evidence, then china can no longer even claim to the role is not that of a negotiator, he chooses then, it is very bad for us, but chooses then a place on the other side of the barricade. meanwhile, china is conducting large-scale exercises near taiwan, and beijing calls it a punishment for separatist actions, the official representative... insider of the chinese foreign ministry, wang wenbin called the exercises of the chinese army a serious warning to those forces that support the independence of taiwan, let's hear what he had to say. joint exercises

and training conducted by the command of the eastern theater of operations of the people's liberation army china, near the island of taiwan, are designed to protect national sovereignty and territorial integrity, and severely punish separatist forces. for taiwan's independence and to seriously warn foreign powers against interference and provocations. the training fully complies with international law and practice, is fully justified and necessary. global press, mr. vitaly, citing sources in the ministry of defense of china, writes that the people's liberation army of china may invade the island of taiwan at the beginning of june this year. how likely it is such a scenario? well. there is an expression: latest chinese warnings, right? and these are not the first, the last such exercises, global with the use of various types of weapons and types

of troops, ah, which demonstrate the determination of the chinese army to punish separatism, uh, these escalations happen constantly, from time to time they look like preparations for an invasion, but at the moment, the situation is really escalating, we can see it from... this aggravation and on the korean peninsula, kinchinin actually shows the presence of new types of missile weapons and their readiness apply, the escalation and rupture of relations with south korea, it already permeates the ideology and practice of north korea, they are no longer talking about the unification of the country, they are talking about the capture of an enemy country called south korea, they are revising from... all their mythology practically, these are also manifestations, because korea, north korea is a hand tool of china, china is increasing its

military presence in the region. he is actively modernizing the navy, he has additionally strengthened the personnel, in the photo, the latest weapons are in the foreground, regular amphibious landings are practiced, as many specialists as possible are involved, that is , i do not rule out that this time, well, maybe not in june, but china may come close enough to the issue of a military operation, but again, i.. . in my opinion, the probability of this is somewhere average, higher than usual, but it is average, because there are again negotiations ahead, presidential elections in the united states ahead, speeches of an economic nature, a global economic nature, let's say, where china is ahead. still wants to get its piece of the economic pie, then it is a conversation about transport

corridors, the ultimate goal of which is the european union, so if china is really preparing for a war in taiwan, it would not be very important for it not to lose european markets or not to give a significant part of the european countries to switch to an overtly conference-oriented policy regarding china, that is, most likely no, rather than yes, i would say. thank you, thank you, mr. vitaly, it was vitaly kulyk, director of the center for researching civil society problems. friends, we continue to work live on espresso tv channel, and our next guest is oleksandr kharchenko, director of the energy research center. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening. mr. oleksandr, let's start with the current situation with the energy sector in ukraine, and

how it is, in particular, on may 23? would you describe the state in which we are now and whether this is the point beyond which electricity will be more problematic, or is it possible that what we are experiencing now may be temporary difficulties and we have opportunities to restore part of the generation, if not for a test, then with some small power plants, right? you know, any difficulties, they are always temporary, but this temporary, well, at least for two years this time, and the damage to the power system that we have now, the destroyed er blocks of power plants, which really should be restored as soon as possible and it is impossible, ah, they, they contained in themselves the power that actually is...

ukraine fed consumers, now, when we are in deficit, this deficit even in the most favorable time is 10-15% of the necessary capacity, in july-august it will increase to 20-25 and in winter it will also be about 20% of what we need, certainly in such a situation it is difficult to operate the power system, well, this is an objective reality, this is not armageddon, we will not die, but we must understand, all ukrainians, each of us must understand that the next, at least two years, the situation will be quite difficult, and consumer restrictions will essentially be a normal phenomenon, that is , there will definitely be a 3-4 hour break in energy consumption per day, and you have to prepare for it, you have to adapt to it, no

on the other hand. by the way, the chairman of the board of ukrenergo volodymyr kudryskyi said on suspilnogo that ukrainians should learn to live with the lights off and prepare for a harder winter. let's listen to what mr. kudrytsky said. this winter will be difficult, because in natural winter consumption increases, and even taking into account the plans to restore generation that exist today, it is enough. but that it will not be possible to completely exclude the possibility of scheduled shutdowns there. mr. oleksandr, how and in what way can ukraine overcome the deficit electricity in the country? well, actually there are not many tools, there are only two of them. the first is to restore those energy units that can be restored.