of ukraine. today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. heavy battles during the time of yar. the russians are trying by all means to erase a strategically important city from the ground. is the enemy capable of opening another front in the north to pull ukrainian forces from the east? the peace summit is at risk of disruption, according to the words. zelensky, today it is the main goal of russian diplomacy and intelligence. what explains biden's alleged decision not to go to the peace conference in switzerland? a manifestation of the struggle against the kremlin dictatorship. the russian opposition held a secret forum in lviv for support of the main directorate of intelligence. is the armed resistance of the russians capable of overthrowing the putin regime? glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program,

my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. today we will talk about the congress or forum of the russian opposition in lviv, about the difficult situation that is developing around the time gap, and of course kharkiv. kharkiv region. over the course of an hour, we will talk about it all with two of our guests, with two exes people's deputies. one deputy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and now a major of the armed forces of ukraine, ihor lapin, another deputy, a former deputy of the state duma of the russian federation, and now a russian oppositionist, ilya ponomarov. in the second part of our program , there will be a traditional friday journalism club with participants. who will be kateryna

nekrecha and olga musafirova. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest watching a video of how ukrainian defenders stopped an enemy assault near chasovoy yar. units of the armed forces, together with the fury brigade destroyed more than 10 units of attackers' equipment. the fighters eliminated up to fifty occupiers, preventing the russian infantry from gaining a foothold. let's watch this enchanting video.

glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, throughout the entire broadcast. we are conducting a survey, we are asking you today whether ukraine should cooperate with the russian opposition, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, write your answer option if it does not fit into an unambiguous answer, or yes, or not, if you watch us telecast, please take your smartphone or phone and vote if you think that ukraine should cooperate with the russian opposition 0800 211381, no 0800 211 380. two all calls

to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. we have our first guest, ihor lapin, major of the armed forces of ukraine, special officer, people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation. mr. major, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. well, since we ask our viewers and viewers about whether ukraine needs to cooperate with the russians. oppositionists for each other in order to destroy putin's regime, a logical continuation, in your opinion, does ukraine need to cooperate with the russian opposition? well, first of all, i need to understand whether we have a russian opposition and what is its main role in this particular context of the struggle against putin's regime, just to gather abroad somewhere in europe, or maybe even come to ukraine to gather to ask. something to talk about and,

you see, i always have such a logical thing question, if after that there is no action, to date any, shall we say , democrats. there are no options for regime change in russia at all. so, i draw one conclusion: the task of the opposition is to enter the kremlin after the change of regime on our shoulders, they have no other task before themselves. i have not heard that they collected money and donated it to the armed forces. i did not hear that the opposition took up calls to arm themselves and destroy everything that belongs to the russian occupation in ukraine, as well as everything that... russian regime in russia. the opposition today is engaged in boltology, and i do not believe in good russians at all, they will not do anything. look, please, at their actions in germany, in any european countries. have you ever heard of any of them

speaking out against putin's regime so often? just the opposite, remember victory day, which rallies and demonstrations were held to popularize putin's regime, to popularize the greatness of the russian nation, well, for me, to be honest, it's already the absence of any opposition at all, i’m not going to flirt with it, because i don’t believe in good russians, they don’t exist, only by their actions they can prove and prove that the answer, these very russians, good and bad, are attacking ukraine at the front first. 88 combat clashes took place during the day, almost half of them took place in the kuptyan and pokrovsky directions, the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine reports about this, and in the kharkiv direction the enemy has now been stopped, the defense forces are planning and carrying out offensive actions to restore lost position, reports the general staff.

the situation is under control in sumy oblast and chernihiv oblast. the head of the press service of the 26th artillery brigade, oleg kalashnikov , reported on the espress air that the russians have now mobilized all their resources for... a temporary ravine. let's listen to what oleg kalashnikov said. the enemy is trying to storm us along almost the entire spectrum of the front, but at the moment he has concentrated his attention more, we can say this for several days already, this is a tick-andriyivka, and of course, he is directly trying to storm time, he is not just storming it, he is such a terrorist practice. he just really destroys it, destroys everything that is there today , today he used his maximum resources, which only he has, both for fire damage and for assault actions. today we can see that he is already storming just such

a mechanized component. mr. major, how do you assess the situation at the front now, and in particular near the time gap, what does putin want? well, let's be honest: his first statements about the goals of the so-called svo did not go anywhere. this is, of course, an exit to the borders of donetsk and luhansk regions. the fact that he is under the noise, let's say this, thanks to the lack of preparation of ukraine for the confrontation in the 22nd year, the fact that he still managed, as they say, to seize the right bank nearby, meaning the right bank and kherson, which we successfully fought back, of course, but this... is a different kind of question. so, the fact that he managed to advance in the kharkiv region, the fact that they managed to capture zaporizhia atomka and so on, in zaporizhzhia, this is all a weakness of ukraine's preparation for deterrence russian aggression. and we talk about it. what

we are able to do today is not due to the actions of our leaders, on the contrary, it is contrary to their actions, which they engaged in before the start of the full-scale invasion. chasiv ya. this is a strategic height, it is control both to the right in the direction of sloviansk kramatorsk, and to the left in the direction of pokrovsk. the fact that the russians will go, in particular, where we are talking, ivanovsk, try to move in the direction from the south of the brothers, so to speak, in the semi-encirclement of the times i, they did it, and we talked about it and for several months we have been saying that the main efforts of the russians will be concentrated in the direction of... because pokrovsk is the logistics of the dnipro, donbass, let's say so, and it is pokrovsk that will kill this logistics of the dnipro-donbass, let's say so. and it is the number one task to kill pokrovsk with this logistics for them. at the same time, the kupyan direction is also very seriously

significant for them, because it is logistics already, let's say , from kharkiv, if we say so, well, i'm sorry, i won't mark the settlement there on the map right now. but it is from the north to donbas logistics is also interrupted by the purchasing direction. and that's exactly how big, let's say, we see the efforts of the russians, well... in fact, from the first days of the full-scale invasion, what we managed to contain and repulse, the same lyman direction and so on, is already a matter of skill and sacrifices of the ukrainian soldier. to date, what i see, where, where possible , we can expect, well, unfortunately, the general staff says that the russians are using virtually the entire spectrum in order to storm time has passed, i would not like to discount another moment, the fact that... soon another 250,000 trained,

mobilized people will arrive in russia again, and they will come precisely to the russian armed forces, precisely on the territory of ukraine, they, rather already in the russian armed forces, they are currently preparing, but putin does not stop mobilization measures, and therefore in such a context it is of course very difficult for us to resist, especially against the background, well, in fact , the weakness of the law on mobilization, which we have already talked about for about six months, to kill. the soldier's motivation to kill the issue of demobilization to the root, as they say, and talk about the fact that we will do everything successfully and we do not need half a million, then i want to tell you that somewhere from the moment, probably when we first started talking about mobilization, the russians mobilized more like half a million, if you look at the statistics that are given to us by open sources, so to speak, and so today it is backing up our brothers, so... i also pay attention to the sumy direction, why? frequented, shall we say, the russians

with their sabotage and intelligence operations in sumy oblast, and there is information that they they concentrate there, accumulate, let's say, the necessary forces for what? in order to stretch our reserves? they succeeded in kharkiv region, let's see who stopped the enemy in kharkiv region? except for the tro brigade, which is staffed without motorized infantry units, were there. abandoned reserves, we know that this is a special unit of the national guard and other special units, tell me, please, and if it goes to sumy oblast in parallel now, where will we shoot from, from which fronts will we shoot the personnel. if someone has forgotten, i want to remind you when trouble began in ocheretyno, then dzyurka was sent to ocheretyno to close the 100th brigade, which did not come from home, did not come from the training ground, but was simply removed from another part of the front. that is, we are talking about what, we are talking about the fact that the accumulation of reserves wants to be better,

well, this is my opinion on this matter. mr. major, given that the enemy has been terrorizing kharkiv quite actively for the past few months, we can see that they are just hitting the civilian infrastructure, very powerfully, yesterday they hit the printing office, the printing factor, killed seven people, 20 people were injured, that is, terror of the highest kind. when they hit civilians, factories, houses, everything they used to hit, putin always said that we need some kind of sanitary zone between ukraine and russia, and whether this is the way of the russians now to create this sanitary zone, and whether ukraine can mutually create a sanitary zone between russia only on that side of the border. well, the question is, can we, then we have to ask the answer right away, and with what forces and means? well, if we

we believe that with the help of the assault actions of the russian volunteer corps, we will be able to create a sanitary zone there, well, excuse me, the village of tyotkino, this is not a sanitary zone on the territory of russia, and i am looking at today, the actions of the russians actually duplicate our previous actions of the same the most russian volunteer corps, which is supported by mechanized. unit carried out assault actions. the russians do similar things, and in principle they have always done it, just with greater forces and means. about making a sanitary zone. all that rosnyavs cannot reach with their dirty hands, they destroy with the help of a colossal advantage in artillery. they actually turn into construction debris any structures where our defenders might be. and this is the biggest problem. the russians will take kharkiv, as i already said somewhere. approximately, as they are there kyiv in three days, well, somewhere they can also sing kharkiv, that is, because

they will not get anything from that swarm, but there is another problem. the russians are rushing in the direction, so to speak, of vovchansk, well, i'm like that right now, not for the sake of it in order to connect with those forces, and in order to get as close as possible to the russian artillery to reach the city of kharkiv, in order to be able to actually destroy the city buildings with artillery fire, and this is their... russian artillery, such as there rszv grad and so on, well, they will try to advance at least 40 kilometers, and with ideal schedules for the russians, two. so that the barrel artillery could reach the suburbs, so then they will be able to create very serious pressure on the city. today, for now, they use rockets, they use cabs, but this is a little too expensive a pleasure compared to just artillery. therefore, i look at this story with kharkiv oblast in this context. well, if we take any assault operation

of the russians, we take the shepherds, dismantled the city for parts, and then tear apart the torn city. then they captured, dear, north-donetsk , the same story, bakhmut, avdiyivka, maryinka, i.e. they are doing it with just such fire rampart, and thanks to it they create a so -called sanitary zone in front of their infantry units, this same story along our northern border, it will continue, we, unfortunately, have such forces, means and reserves, well, no side has at the moment, i emphasize once again, the village. tyotkino is also very important, but it is not a sanitary zone on the territory of russia along the northern border with ukraine, so we see that it is god-pleasing to destroy russians on the territory of russia? yes, of course, but you know, me watched the operations of our special forces, i have been watching the organization

of sabotage work for a long time, you know, when there were serious confrontations in bashkirtostan, there it was necessary to help the bashkirs ... let some blood to the police russians, and believe me, it would have a much greater effect than village of tyotkino, although it should not be discounted, i emphasize once again that the work of the rdk and all other units in the north of our country, on the territory of the russian federation, is also a god-pleasing matter, regarding the transfer of hostilities to the territory of the aggressor. that is, sir major, as far as i understand, you assume that the russians can enter the territory of the sumy region? much deeper than they 've gone now, yes, i guess they could just do another, shall we say, source of pressure on our military and stretching our military reserves. today they passed in kharkiv oblast, i think that in the near future they will do the same somewhere in some areas of sumy oblast,

well, let's put it this way, of course, it should not pass without a trace for ours. intelligence, we must have an understanding of where and what forces they accumulate. i want to remind the audience that on april 3, the main intelligence agency came out and said that everyone who talks about the kharkiv direction is all russian and pso, you are kremlin agents. this is not a quote, but these are the approximate theses of gur's spokesman, mr. yusov. only a month and 10 days later, the same yusov came out and said: "we knew exactly when they would go, how many would go and where they would go?" then i was asked in... the problem why they didn't attack before the russians deployed in battle formations, why didn't they hit earlier only when the russians were standing huddled in one or another point, like that, if you knew, here are some of the complaints i have about today's ottek of our propagandists in sometimes in military uniform, it's not a great pity. well, by the way, about intelligence officers, you mentioned intelligence,

zelenskyi met with the heads of ukrainian intelligence and based on the results. of this meeting said that the disruption of the peace summit in switzerland has become the main task of russian diplomacy and foreign intelligence for the near future. let's listen to what he said zelensky there were reports of intelligence, gur tazr, including about russian efforts to disrupt the peace summit and the participation of world powers. we oppose the russian desire to continue and expand the war. mr. mayor, please tell me what you expect from this global peace summit, can it provide answers to the questions we have? this summit will not bring any peace, this summit does not provide any guarantees for the struggle against russia, this summit does not make an iron curtain on the territory of russia, so that they are, as they say, so-called

sanctions could be applied. from the side of the countries that will be there, for this summit, i don't know the information to date, but i know that the global south is not exactly going, well, as far as i know, brazil, the republic of south africa are definitely not going, india probably already they say that they are going, but nevertheless, let's talk, if we are talking about the peace summit, then what is there for our victory, i have never heard from zelensky that he has a strategy for victory, a strategy for peace, okay, then why in this peace strategy, in those ten points i did not... see the word nato, that's one thing. further, recently zelenskyi stated that exactly what three directions are expected from that summit, and what do we see, instead of 10 points of the peace formula from zelenskyi on... i emphasize without nato. we hear that the issue of shipping needs to be resolved at this summit. the issue of environmental and nuclear safety should be resolved at this summit. and at this summit

, the issue of exchange and release of our hostages should be resolved. i'm sorry, but where? the remaining points of mir zelenskyi's formula? that is, you understand what we are talking about today, the summit itself will not bring any peace. as a political statement, yes, but then let's be honest, well... biden is not going there, xi jinping is clearly not going there, so please tell me, apart from this political statement, are we expanding the anti-putin coalition and increasing sanctions at this summit? no, then please tell me the purpose? well, but the goal can probably be determined by the person responsible for such summits, mr. yermak. why do we have 10? of the points of zelenskyi's peace formula

, there is no point about nato, and why instead of these ten are we now limited to some three that are not... before, well, i look at it for now as the first swallows of failure, although i don’t want to shout treason ahead of time, you know, but i emphasize once again that for ukraine, peace is the absence of a threat and the possibility of repeated aggression from russia, please tell me among that list in that... there is something there is nothing that can reduce the threat from russia, so where is the peace then? that's it, you already mentioned joseph biden, it's been reported that he's apparently, most likely assumed, at least by the american media, to miss the peace summit in switzerland in june due to a campaign fundraiser in california, which he's scheduled to attend with george clooney, julia roberts and other stars, this is reported, in particular , by bloomberg, that is, without the main players, without russia, we do not take it here at all, because this

country is an aggressor and putin is an aggressor, but without the main players, without biden and without sidzin pinya, well, in fact, this summit turns into some kind of humanitarian summit, or let's say, which will solve not the most important issues, not the most important issue that is in... when will russia withdraw from the territory of ukraine and how to force to get russia out of the territory of ukraine? true? i completely agree with you, i can only add that the favorite words of mr. zelensky have become security agreements, which do not have any security, and the peace summit, which does not bring peace, so they are used very good slogans, but i emphasize once again, you can carry these slogans for a long time like a fool with a bag, but once again, peace for ukraine. this is the absence of a threat from russia, peace is the liberation of territories, peace is contributions, this is reparations, this is the attraction of war criminals, that is, these are consequences where russia

will no longer attack us after that. tell me, please, what is the peace summit about, about what i announced, of course not, that's all, that's why it's a chat room, for me it will be just a chat room, yes, politically, it's a statement, yes, he wants to collect applause again, well, rating of applause for addicted zelenskyi. to see and hear them, we remember how the whole world met him in the 22nd year, in the 23rd year, well, it is still necessary in the 24th year, for me personally, this is not a peace summit, because it is even an expansion of the anti-putin a coalition is not envisaged in the context of this summit, because it is the anti-putin coalition that can have influence, and if there are representatives of india there, i would like to hear that india is pursuing the same policy of sanctions against russian oil. for example, or something else like, iron hatred for any goods of russia. let's be honest: norway is one of the first countries to ban even tourist visas for

citizens of russia. russia must feel, every citizen of russia must feel, that they are the cause of all the problems that are falling on them. and in order for problems to fall, it is necessary for the world to be united. and at the moment, well, the world is one, well, switzerland is being criticized. but, but three points. mr. major, at the very end of our conversation, i would like to ask you about mobilization, or rather, what this law decides, which gained dignity on may 18, 2024, because the spokesman of the ministry of defense of ukraine , dmytro lazudin, said on espresso that the reserve plus application had become the most popular way to update the data of conscripts, let's listen very briefly to mr. lazutkin. now we have about a million people who have already updated their data precisely because of the plus reserve, and if you are interested, they can give some statistics, either in percentages or in

numbers. about 11,000 ukrainians did it outside our country, in poland, germany, the czech republic and canada, these countries are leaders, also, about 120,000 female conscripts clarified their data through the reserve plus application, and 145,000 are people who are reserved or have deferments, they also fulfilled, so to speak... the norm of the law, sir major, besides the fact that people have complied with the law, what else does this new procedure for updating data solve, does it solve the main issue, the issue of mobilization, well, let's be honest, today no, but in the long run yes, because in principle the summons is sent to correspondence, for example to electronic the address, which were specified in the reserve plus, will be considered delivered, as far as i can

remember from what. law, so it will give results, but the first reinforcements, the first reinforcements, which will be recruited with the help of the new mobilization law, will come somewhere around the month of october, why? because let's face it: 60 days to update, then what? please tell me that the reserve plus sent at least someone to the vlk? no, well, what's next? well, they updated, by the way, you noticed the statistics, the reserve plus is hundreds of thousands. in i am alive, people are afraid to go , that is, this is another story, but nevertheless they have updated, what’s next, what’s next, we’re waiting for a summons to the vlk, what’s next, after the vlk, maybe a summons with a combat order, what’s next, what’s next is mobilization, sending to training grounds, two or three months of training, and when there will be the first reserve plus our troops at the time of yar, somewhere around october-november, this is a problem,

we need to be much... faster than we are today. thank you, mr. major, for the conversation. he was a major of the armed forces of ukraine, special agent ihor lapin. friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. and let me remind you that during this broadcast we are conducting a survey. we ask you whether it is worth cooperating with the russian opposition in ukraine. yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube. if you are sitting in front of the tv, pick up your phone or smartphone and vote. if you think that ukraine should cooperate with the russian opposition (0800-21381), no 08021382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will announce the results. he saved others at the cost of his own life. taras chaika, a hero of ukraine, a soldier of the 125th brigade of territorial defense forces, received a fatal wound in battle in the east of ukraine,

see his story below. it is necessary for people to see and know, and the generation was brought up by such boys who bravely and courageously went to defend, protect and give their lives for our country. these are the belongings of my son, chayka terasan, who died on november 2, 2022. this is his coat, here if you look in the garden, there is even a sign that these are things. a chemist, because his call sign was a chemist, they also brought chevrons, he was in tro, the flag of ukraine, tro sign, chevron treon, chevron of the 125th brigade, he was the intelligence commander, this is the intelligence sign, taras chaika, hero of ukraine, scout 125 -th brigade of the territorial defense forces of the ukrainian armed forces,

he ... stood up for the defense of ukraine at the beginning of the full-scale invasion of russia, although he had health problems, his sense of patriotism and duty to the state prompted him to voluntarily join the army. at 5 in the morning i i called, i say taras, the war has started. he said: "mom, i know, i didn't go to bed last night, i already packed." i say: "taras, what are you talking about? mom, i'm going to war. and on the very first day he..." the soldier went to enlist for four days, he proved to the soldier that he could go to serve, taras chaika served in the 125- and brigade of territorial defense forces, was initially in lviv, and in april of his own accord joined the intelligence unit, fought in donetsk region, calls me and says: "mom, i'm transferring to intelligence, i can't join the headquarters."