you are sitting in front of the tv and have a smartphone or phone at hand, vote for the numbers, if you think that ukraine should cooperate with the russian opposition (0800-211-381), no 0800 211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote , at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, well, with the same question in the format of a survey, we will start our conversation, today's big conversation with my colleagues. journalists, olya, do you think it is worth cooperating with the russian opposition, and if it is worth it, what should we talk about with it and how should we cooperate? sergey, as you know, i don't have a clear answer, i would rather answer the question with a question, er, in russia, is there a systemic one? opposition with which you can

cooperate, and then where this opposition is, inside russia, outside russia, we are in principle realists, and to cooperate simply in order to maintain good relations, well, i think this is not our method, we we have to proceed from pragmatic some things, we need russian, russian opposition, in order for democratic elections to be held in russia, democratic elections cannot be held in the empire, the empire must be dismantled, well, this is such a program very, very much, and the population of the empire must go through a long enough the way for it to really be able to walk, participate in...

elections, the opposition must train the population, the russian opposition must train the population of russia after putin is removed from power, and the country, if it remains the same, in the same limits, as now, it will be to be, as we say, under the protectorate of the free world. for now, these are, well, forgive me far-fetched plans, that i would rather talk about something more concrete than about cooperation with the russian opposition. thank you ulya, kateryna, do you think ukraine should cooperate with the russian opposition, because our viewers are also probably thinking now, when they vote or decide how to vote, yes or no, what do you say? i see that now

the majority of voices on youtube are against it, they think that it is not necessary, but in principle i like it the arguments of the ukrainian authorities there, who obviously supported and gave permission for russian citizens to enter there, for example, on the territory of ukraine, and the arguments of ilya ponomarov, i saw, he was on your air, serhii, also this morning seem logical i spoke with him on the air, that is, what are the arguments, what are you there... in russia, the democratic and active opposition there, which could compete with the russian regime, is obviously not there, and in the near future there are no prospects for it to be , but there is the representative of the russian opposition in the world, the most famous person at the moment, and this was recognized by time magazine there, yes, where she entered the top there, so the most famous people, it is yulia navalna, the reasons for this seem to be obvious, but... well,

imagine, hypothetically, this it is impossible there, it did not happen, but if such a well-known person from the russian opposition declared that ukraine must be supported with weapons, a military victory is necessary, and victory by military means, it is impossible to come to an agreement with putin, and would then, for example, in the biden administration would have doubted or argued for a long time about whether to give ukraine permission to strike with western american weapons on the territory of russia, on military facilities on the territory of the russian federation, well on... probably, then it would be more difficult to hesitate in the white house, and ilya ponomarov points out that the russian opposition, it is so diverse, is the one who managed to unite around the very issue that ukraine must win by military means, that is, something serious must happen on the battlefield in order to move this process further towards the end war, and such people, they came together, representatives of the russian opposition, there is yulia navalna and fbk, they are against such and such. and

for speaking there, that's why here they already have, as ilya ponomerov points out, there immediately diverging views, yes, well, that is, for the world there is, perhaps, not one russian opposition that is united, but... bright representatives of this of the russian opposition, some of them were here in lviv or near lviv, and this is also an argument and an indicator. russian citizens fighting on the side of ukraine is also a serious argument, that is, it is better if these arguments probably, there were for ukraine, if only they were completely absent, in my opinion. well, as for yulia navalny, it is very doubtful to call her an oppositionist at all, she is the wife of an oppositionist who was killed by putin in prison. well , it would be possible to put an end to it here, because yulia navalna is not currently engaged in any opposition activities, well , at least she is not for the world, for the world it is, she does not declare that she wants to be the president there of the russian federation, whether it wants the overthrow

of putin's regime, that is, it does not openly say so says, she is the wife of oleksiy navalny, and everyone perceives her as a part of the possible opposition, but... those who are called the opposition, or how they position themselves, really gathered in lviv at the forum of the russian opposition, there was an office adviser of the president of ukraine mykhailo podalyak, who said that putin's regime in russia can be overthrown only after ukraine wins the war. let's listen to what podalyak said: there is a tsar, there is a tsar, he has the surname putin, then there will be the next tsar and so on and so forth. unless there is a rupture on the battlefield. now the rate is very clear. now they are bogged down, they have completely abandoned the disguise and now, for anything positive to happen, they must lose the war. only in war, everything is a different illusion. agreements are impossible, russia will not follow the rules, it will not be able to become law-abiding. the only option

is once again a tactical defeat on one or another part of the front, not on the entire front, on one or another part of the front. that is, olya. i understand that podalyak admitted that the russian opposition will not do anything a military defeat can lead to the collapse of the putin regime, and this military defeat, which will cause ukraine and the ukrainians to inflict this, will inflict this defeat, will open the door for the russian opposition, although ilya panomarov, who was literally half an hour ago here in the studio, said that , that they are ready to go to moscow, they have russian volunteer battalions and... fighters who are ready to fight on the territory of russia for power, i asked him to name, well, at least the approximate number of people who are there, he said three or four battalions, and said they have 10,000 partisans all over russia who work on the side, or

let's say in favor of ukraine, why was this forum in ukraine of the russian opposition, that he gives the first priority to ukraine, i don't say. what gives the russian opposition, what, what, what do we get from this? thank you, serhiy, i would have asked the same question: well, since we are ukrainian-centric and citizens of ukraine, we must first of all proceed from our own interests, and not from the interests of the russian opposition. it is beneficial for us to deal with people who call themselves the russian opposition, although i already. said that this is a fairly theoretical structure, that is , the russian opposition, well, like any opposition, it is motley, does not get along with each other, but again, this is not our business, so

here it would be i immediately wanted to, you know, shout out the author in the theater, but who was the author of this one, please? the name of the political attraction of this event, if gur, well, since mr. budanov supported and spoke favorably of this story, i am a little sad, because it seemed to me, as a civilian, at least that the special services have slightly different powers and goals. and if this event was really planned with the help of the main intelligence agency, then again, in my opinion as a civilian, it

should be held so secretly that none of us knew about it, especially since we did not talk about it live and will not discuss. because this is an important question, yes, i came quietly, i left quietly, about a partisan in the territory of russia, great, about the plans of the rdk, great, the rdk is not very worldly. their soldiers and commanders, and i understand why it is right, people fight, in they have families, friends, social connections left in russia, no one needs this publicity, that is, they are going against the imperial monster, and what do we see, we see photos of the scene, where the representatives stand, where the banner hangs, the forum russian... the opposition, and this is a very, i would say,

such a secular political event, what is the opposition going to do, any, well , any opposition is going to meet to discuss the issue of how we, the opposition, will come to power in russia, well, i have no other options, if it is a secret event, i am in... such i saw in the publications that a secret meeting of the russian opposition took place in lviv, no, not secret, very publicized, we are talking about it all day today, well, then i don’t understand anything at all, and i don’t even understand the fundamental questions, eh, how many of those representatives of the opposition who came to... lviv are citizens of the russian federation, usually people who live outside the borders of russia,

they already have another citizenship, citizens of britain, citizens of states there, ukraine, whatever, that is, they are not on the territory of russia can stop by, especially if people came from the territory of russia with russian passports to ukraine, here they were called... and shown on stage what they did, these people, they a priori then cannot engage in any partisan or subversive work , that is , the work that would be interesting to us, ukrainians, during the war, and they will be engaged in political activities, well, please, but this is such a distant process in time. that, well, i don't see the point in discussing it now, who will be the next president

of russia, which party will win, there is no such thing. well, ilya ponomarov, who was on my broadcast, said that they were considering the issue of possibly creating a government that is either in exile or an alternative government, and as if they had already agreed on something, they started working in this direction. well... at least they formed some working groups there. katerina, do you believe in the russian opposition? oh, it's not a matter of faith, it's a matter of facts and what we have now. of course, it would not be bad for ukraine if it were so, but we understand what path vladimir putin was taking, his entourage, so that this opposition does not exist at all, so that there is no nimtsov. khodorkovsky, by the way, let's not forget, was in a russian prison for 10 years, and here he is now. to lviv, there is a difficult history, its own path, well, now we have what we have, as the classic said, but here i would like to draw

attention to the fact that the forum was as if secret, such a good pr was given to it by the mayor of the city of lviv, the gardener, who seemed to didn't know about it being held, and then it turned out that some journalists were there, there weren't many microphones there, if you look at the photo photos, i would like a wider, wider coverage, perhaps, that is, it seems to me that at the moment it is precisely about this forum. er, they didn't know, but then they found out, and this is all because of such a media scandal, which, by the way, i also asked ilya ponomarov on the air this morning, why lviv in particular, why this forum was not held in kharkiv, why it was not held there in zaporizhzhia, in dnipro, well, it already happened in kyiv, yes, but if, it seems, if the russian oppositionists, they came to ukraine and not to lviv, where, after all, we understand, it is safer there, after all, to kharkiv, well, it's dangerous there. well, i don't know, in a bunker somewhere, in the subway, to feel that atmosphere, just when the russian,

russian troops, they are advancing and advancing in the kharkiv region, yes, it would be symbolic, and it would probably show the ukrainians , well, such a greater strength of spirit or something, and, because i saw many comments on this topic, well, why in lviv, and regarding efficiency, effectiveness, it seems to me that this is such a basic factor , again, for international partners of ukraine, but now... even today we heard from putin, that he says there again that he is ready for negotiations, and we remember the theses that his and those in ukraine are not ready, and this and that... before the peace summit is supposed to take place , and it seems to me that this is also a very important argument for the ukrainian side, that look, we are talking from the russian position, we are meeting with them, we are somehow trying to formulate our future with them, that is, there is no such thing as ukrainians simply do not want at all in any - there is no way to communicate with the russians there, that's why it seems to me that from this point of view it is an important factor, i would also like to draw your attention to the fact that i also

saw on social networks that some phrases of mykhailo podolyak were being pulled out there and they were trying to make a scandal out of it, i understand what a figure, and perhaps an irritant for a part of ukrainians there, mykhailo is podolyak, and of course for all ukrainians , russian citizens who came to ukraine for some forum there are an irritant in general, but it is also important to hear all the direct language and for sure understand this issue, what was said there, and this is important, because it was said that there should be at least a tactical victory in an important area in one of the directions in the war, in order for russia to receive this defeat and then there... stop, that this is an important moment, and podalyak also emphasized that , that it is normal that ukrainians do not treat russians very well there in the conditions that exist, because these are the realities, it is lya ponomarov who says this, that is , it seemed that the realities were clear, but i would like to hear more direct speech, to be honest, in order to make a complete picture

from all the russian oppositionists who came and who spoke, theses, what they said, has it somehow changed. the course of thought, perhaps over these last two years, and it is a secret, or rather unannounced forum of the russian opposition, it is a secret what they said, only ilya ponomarov speaks and makes this information public, and god is with it the russian opposition from russia, you want to add, i added literally, i remembered this meme that is attributed to kuchna, this has already happened, yes, it has already happened, remember how during the maidan to kyiv... i arrived triumphantly khodorkovsky, and it was wow, these were meetings, he was just such a person for us , such a political prisoner, a prisoner of conscience, came here from russia, and he brought good news, which exactly, you are great, you are democrats, we are proud of you, and on this

occasion we will build the core of a new one. on the territory of ukraine, it was verbalized, yes, for some reason it seems to me that this is an attempt, attempt number two, yes, that ukraine is again, it is so menstruous, despite our internal quarrels, despite the fact that we have failed mobilization, well, let it not fail indefinitely, but there are many problems, but still, ukraine... advises itself, pouring its own blood, resisting putin, what the russian opposition did not do, which called for fighting with ducks, balloons, flashlights, whatever, and now the second attempt to get on the last carriage, this

ukrainian train, which may be heading somewhere to europe and we... together with them, eh, you know, we must invest in the victory of ukraine, there are no questions for the rdk, they invest, they fight, they die, how can they work so and so, all the others are people who, forgive me, passionate word and gesture, over the course of many years. assert democracy outside of russia, i see no point in maintaining serious ties with them. thank you, olya, i will remind our viewers that today we are conducting a survey and asking you whether ukraine should cooperate with the russian opposition, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have your own

separate opinion , please leave it in the comments under the youtube video if you watch us on tv. you can get your hands on smartphone or phone and vote yes 0800 211381 no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free vote at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote i remind you that today the guests of our program are olga musafirova correspondent of the new newspaper europe in ukraine and kateryna nekreche journalist of radio svoboda . one more topic is quite important, well, i hope we will discuss it very briefly. these are five years of zelenskyi's presidency, zelenskyi himself did not say much, he spoke about what was his 5 more years to go, but would you, dear colleagues, like to hear from zelensky, at least in a brief summary, what he thinks he succeeded, what failed, and if not , why, well, maybe war , this is a strong enough argument that it failed,

but half of the presidential term was before the great war, and obviously, the citizens of ukraine would like to hear from the president, i think, and it would probably be logical, wouldn't it, mr., mrs. kateryna, eh, and, of course, you always want to hear. more president, and he is every day in on our smartphones, thanks to your appeals there, this is an important moment, it is good that it exists, but the possibility of such direct communication, the debaters could ask questions and sharp questions, journalists and ukrainian journalists, it is always lacking, i always emphasize this, nevertheless, i was there, for example, last week off there as the president, including my colleagues, my colleague from radio svoboda. and really, that is , these are frank conversations with the president, some of them from these conversations, it was published, it could be in the news there to give, part of it is not, but the main thing is that

it seems to me that this term has not ended, that is, in five years they are, yes, but this is such a cycle that ukraine entered, that president zelensky entered, which has not yet ended, and this is an important moment, because it seems too early to draw conclusions. and you can sum up, draw conclusions, discuss mistakes, there was something good that happened, but still, you know, well, the final summary, probably, it should be done already, when after the victory of ukraine, after the war ends, and it will be possible to hold elections there according to the constitution, which is interesting, in my opinion, that in essence, when ukrainians voted in those elections in 2019, they voted for a person, not for any specific... promises there , for example, there was one of the billboards, which had no promises or apologies, but in principle, the transformation of zelensky that took place, and even the indicators of his ratings,

as kmis, for example, gives this assessment, they are also quite revealing, because the president zelensky won, was elected, then began to lose ratings and lost up to 37% there, on the eve of a full-scale invasion they reached it. ratings based on the results of the kmis polls there, according to their analytics, and already after there a full-scale invasion, this rating increased by almost almost 86%, and then something happened at the end of last year and at the beginning of this year 2024, well, one of those high-profile events is the resignation of zaluzhnoy, and then the rating of president zelensky already started to fall, this is probably also indicative of how society reacts to certain events, i.e. now globally the main thing is that it is a war. and that how ukraine reacts to this main challenge, and this rating, it probably mostly depends on this as well, but as sociologists note, another important point is

communications, this is the entourage of president zelensky, and this is what people also feel, also understand. and there is a question about this, and perhaps also from this not always correct or even the presence of communication about these or that there, for example, replacements at the top of the government, resignations of these or that. this communication is not enough, or it happens in some strange way, through throws, for example, and society obviously feels it, and these are the moments that society reacts to, and perhaps this is the reason for the drop in zelenskyi's rating, nevertheless, his support is still quite high, it is 60-65 %, and this is also important, the main issue is the war, victory in the war, then it will be possible to... make assessments, then some critical questions about zelensky, not of such a large scale, will probably be dropped, because the main goal for ukrainians

will be implemented. thank you, kateryna, olga, if you had the opportunity to ask zelensky about the results of these five years, what would you ask him, what question would you formulate to him in order to get his vision of what happened to him and the country from. serhiy, you know, and i agree with my colleague, it is unlikely that i will be able to formulate a question that interests me now, because i am only interested in questions related to the war and the victory of ukraine. well, i certainly wouldn't ask him a question with that conditionally peaceful. parts of the presidential term, i do not want to use saying: it's zeroed out, but to a large extent the

things that used to bother me so much before february 24th , '22, they've now receded into what 's called the periphery of consciousness, and it doesn't matter compared to what's at stake , the fate of our state, the fate of each of us, to be, to be us, or not to be, you know, at the same time to start, and you promised, and you did not fulfill, it somehow looks a little childish. you know, the russian word is so hot-tempered, yes, you can find something to cling to, but you didn’t want to do that, but you know, when you asked this question, for some reason she immediately remembered the phrase that we, well, at least most of the journalists were happily gathering over it, each of us is the president, you know, now for

me... this phrase, it makes sense, it makes sense, that's what, by and large after all, the war posed an incredibly weighty question to every citizen of ukraine, are you ready to give your whole body, body and soul to the defense of the state, that is, relatively speaking, presidents are good, there are scoundrels, and there are those who are in the middle, so i was , and not only me, most of us were impressed by the incredible, incredible human dignity of those people who went to defend, defend ukraine, yes, they are by and large...

they, well, it sounds a little stupid that they imagined themselves as presidents, but the fullness of their responsibility for the fate of the country was extremely high, because you can die, you can be killed, but you understand that this is what you do in order for your country to live, this is a very high level, and it is so , for me this... phrase doesn't seem funny at all right now, so i would wait, i hope that we are all waiting for this, after all, the victory of ukraine, which will not be an exit to the borders of 1991, but the creation of such political and military conditions under which russia in

such a ... medium-term, and maybe long-term perspective, will not will be able to aggress and will not be able to attack ukraine. since then, you can ask about everything. now i would get rid of the question. we will wait for the victory and draw conclusions accordingly, of course, the russian federation did not get the expected effect from the maidan-3 special information operation. about this gur ministry of defense. already told in detail on the eve of may 20, 2024, when , according to budanov's department, the russians will destabilize ukraine due to the illegitimacy of president zelensky to destabilize society, and now the russians, as gur representative andriy yusov says, will try to use the topic of the shooting down of flight 76, and about he informed in... information

that the enemy continues and will try to continue to use the topic of shooting down this plane to carry out ipso and pressure inside the country, discrediting our country abroad, and approximately for july, certain actions by the so-called investigative committee of the aggressor state are planned, well, that is, russia... will continue to shake ukraine, i am a colleague to you with such a question, but what is the informational component of the war now russia against ukraine, how important it is on the part of the kremlin, how much they can control the situation in ukraine, how much we...