century, he kept this ideology of inequality, imperialism and colonialism and passed it on to his own generations literally as a testament. mr. ilya, if ukraine is zakharova, when she speaks ukrainian, she is even pretty, you know? everyone here speaks ukrainian, you, you learned the language and speak ukrainian, but we are forced to relearn it, and here i am, i can't look at her when she speaks. look, really, uh, tell me, if ukraine gets on the rails of the european union, sooner or later it will happen, we will become members of the european union, or will this mean the collapse of putin's regime, because if zakharova believes that the european union, ukraine in the european union is a sign of equality in nato, and nato after the european union will be for both ukraine and moldova, then will this mean the collapse of putin or not? oh, i can be a sad thing. i will say, but i believe that

until we destroy putin, we will not become members of either the eu or nato. they will be afraid. that is, you think that you will win faster than we enter the e. together we will win ours faster. we, we can do it without you. it is ours, it is our joint victory. without you, you mean, without ukrainians? without ukrainians. and you are a citizen of ukraine. i am a ukrainian, i am a resident of kyiv, but i am a ukrainian entrepreneur, i am a russian politician, that is, it turns out that you are a citizen of ukraine, you are fighting for power in russia, well, of course, who else, look, you , you see them, even they can, well, to be honest, gelman disappointed me the most, the most in your gathering, if we talk about the lviv gathering. gelman's presence at

this meeting, because i remember how marat gelman was one of those people who shaped politics in yanukovych's campaign headquarters in 2004, and he was quite active, by the way, he worked with medvedchuk then, well, here he was presented more as a gallerist, although he was a political technologist and was once the head of russian public television. and to be honest, it's also a mystery to me, the composition of those people you had there is watching... gelman actively worked against me there in the early 2000s , he was also in politics, he was part of fep gleb pavlovsky there. i remember it very well, very well i remember, but there were other people there, with whom i also had difficult relations before, but good relations for now. because there is a simple approach: if you are now for... the victory of ukraine,

if you help it, if you risk your life, mr. gelman was at ground zero, he went to the legion, he helped them, he did a lot, there he even had there is a reward for this, he could not have done it, here mr. khodorkovsky did not do it, but gelman did, and we are grateful to him, and if he continues to do it, then that is exactly what i... believe will such an atonement for what he, he did then, he has already said many times publicly that he was wrong, that it was a crime, and that also distinguishes him from others, that is, he understood that, and the cultural community that is generally there around mr. gelman, he simply

moves more, more and more... people to our side, the cultural community is an influence on the brains, it is very, very important, and it is also fundraising and recruiting, that is, it is very much in favor of ukraine now. at the very end, i understood what you want to do with the current one the russian authorities with putin, and i don't understand what you want to do with china, because china is a partitioner of modern russia, and the british are talking about something like... the chinese are helping the russians, and the spokesman of the ministry of foreign affairs of the people's republic of china, wang wenbin called baseless and irresponsible statement of the british defense minister grant shaps. let's hear what wang wenbin said. we would like to tell the british politician that appeasing china will not help great britain to get out of the difficult situation regarding ukraine, let alone solve it. complex internal

problems of the country. china was and remains on the side of peace and dialogue. we will continue to work hard to advance the peace talks and dialogue.' you know, i asked you about good russians, but are there good chinese? there are, i know them, i was the leader, the head of the friendship group between the state duma and taiwan, that is, the chinese are there, i know one hundred percent, but let it be a matter for the united states, to fight with putin and with china, it is too much for us now, let us let's focus on... on putin, i'd rather stay neutral on this issue. thank you, thank you, mr. ilya, it was ilya ponomariev, a russian oppositionist and former member of the state duma of the russian federation. friends, i remind you that we are working

live, today we are conducting a survey, today we are asking you about whether ukraine should cooperate with the russian opposition, yes no, everything is quite simple on youtube and facebook, you choose the option either yes or no , if you... are sitting in front of the tv, you can vote, thanks to the phone and by the corresponding numbers, if you think it is worth in ukraine to cooperate with the russian opposition 08021381, no 08021382, all calls to these numbers are free, now let's look at the interim results of the poll, specifically the television poll, we have 35% yes, 65% no, well, that's it. there are discounts represented by coco discounts in may for a relief of 10% in pharmacies plantain bam and savings. vasyl

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peace macron admits that putin is not ready to end the war. why are western partners delaying a decision on the future of russia and its dictator. delegitimization of the ukrainian government. the kremlin continues special information operations to open the internal. front, on what can the ukrainian society split? 5 years at the helm of the state, the anniversary of zelenskyi's presidency passed without pathos, why is the president in no hurry to report on his achievements during the first term. this is all we will talk about in the next 45 minutes broadcast with my colleagues, journalists olga musafirova. i congratulate you, olga. and kateryna nekrecha. i congratulate you, katerina. thank you for joining our conversation. i greet my colleagues,

i greet the audience. i will remind our viewers that we are working live on the tv channel, and we are conducting a poll today. today we ask you about whether it is worth cooperating with the russian position in ukraine. yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have your own opinion, a separate opinion. please write in the comments below video. if you are sitting in front of the tv and have a smartphone or phone handy, vote yes. if you think that ukraine should cooperate with the russian opposition 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, and on the same question in the format of a poll we will start our conversation, today's big conversation, with my colleagues, journalists, olya, what do you think, is it worth it? to cooperate with the russian opposition, and if it is worth it, then about what should we talk to her and how should we

cooperate? sergey, you know, i don't have a clear answer, i would rather answer the question with a question: is there a systematic opposition in russia with which you can cooperate, and then... where is this opposition inside russia, outside of russia? we are, in principle, realists, and to cooperate simply in order to maintain good relations, well, i think this is not our method, we have to proceed from some pragmatic things, we need the russian, russian opposition in order to and in order to took place... democratic elections in russia, democratic elections

cannot be held in the empire, the empire must be dismantled, well, this is such a program very, very much, and the population of the empire must go a long enough way in order for it to really be able to walk, participate in the elections, the opposition must prepare the population. "the russian opposition must prepare the population of russia after putin is removed from power, and the country, if it remains the same, within the same limits as now, it will be, as we say, under the protectorate of the free world, for now these are, forgive me, far-fetched plans that i would rather talk about something more

substantive than cooperation with the russian opposition. thank you ul, kateryna, in your opinion, should ukraine cooperate with the russian opposition, because our viewers are also probably thinking now when they vote or decide how to vote, yes or no, what do you say? i see that now the majority of voices on youtube are against this, they think that it is not... necessary, but in principle the ukrainian arguments seem logical to me representatives of the authorities, who obviously supported and gave permission for citizens of russia to come there, for example. to the territory of ukraine, and the arguments of ilya ponomarov, i saw, he was on the air with you serhii, and i also spoke with him on the air this morning, that is , the arguments of the democratic elections in russia and the opposition active there, which could to compete with the russian regime, obviously there is no and in the near future there are no such prospects for this to happen, however, there is

a representation of the russian opposition in the world, nayvido... sha is currently a human being, and time magazine recognized it there, yes, where she entered the top there, it means that yulia navalna is the most famous people, the reasons for this seem to be obvious, but imagine, hypothetically, it is impossible there, this it didn’t happen, but if such a well-known person from the russian opposition had declared that ukraine must be supported with weapons, a military victory is needed, and victory by military means, it is impossible to come to an agreement with putin, and would then, for example, in the administration... biden would be doubted or argued for a long time regarding whether to give ukraine permission to strike western american weapons on the territory of russia, on military facilities in the territory of the russian federation, then it would probably be more difficult to hesitate in the white house, and ilya ponomarov notes that the russian opposition is so different, those who managed to unite around the very issue that ukraine

must win by military means, that is , something serious must happen on... the battlefield in order to further move this process towards the end of the war, and such people, they came together , representatives of the russian opposition, there is yulia navalna, and in the bc they are against such a thing, and they are also in favor of speaking there, so here they already have, as la ponomarov points out, there immediately diverging views, yes, well, that is, for the world there is, perhaps, more than one russian opposition, even united, but there are bright representatives of this russian opposition, some of them were here in lviv or lviv and, and this is already an argument and an indicator, russian citizens who fight on the side of ukraine, this is also a serious argument, that is, it is better if these arguments were definitely for ukraine, but if they were completely absent, in my opinion, well, what about yulia navalny, it is very doubtful to call her an oppositionist at all, she is the wife of an oppositionist who was killed by putin in prison, well

, it would be possible to put an end to that here, because some kind of opposition. does she want to be the president of the russian federation there or does she want the overthrow of the putin regime, that is, she does not openly talk about it, she is the wife of alexei navalny and everyone perceives her as a part of the possible opposition, but those who are called the opposition or whatever himself positioned really. gathered in lviv at the forum of the russian opposition, there was an adviser to the office of the president of ukraine, mykhailo podalyak, who said that the putin regime in russia can be overthrown only after ukraine wins the war. let's listen to what podalyak said. there is a tsar, he has the surname putin, then there will be the next tsar, and so on and so forth.

unless there is a rupture on the battlefield. now the rate is very clear. now they are bogged down, i will completely reject them. masking and now, for something positive to happen, they must to lose in a war, only in a war, is another illusion, agreements are impossible, russia will not follow the rules, it will not be able to become law-abiding, the only option is once again a tactical defeat on one or another part of the front, not on the entire front, on this or that another part of the front. that is, olya, i understand that podalyak admitted that the russian opposition will not do anything, that only the army... a defeat can lead to the collapse of the putin regime, and this military defeat, which ukraine and the ukrainians will inflict, will inflict this, will inflict this defeat , will open the door for russian oppositionists, although ilya panomaryov, who was here in the studio just half an hour ago, said that they are ready to go to moscow, they have russian volunteer

battalions and fighters who are ready to fight on the territory of russia for power. er, i asked him to name, well, at least the approximate number of people there, he said there were three or four battalions, and he said, they have 10,000 partisans all over russia, who work for the side, or he would say for the benefit of ukraine, why this forum was in ukraine of the russian opposition, what it gives first of all, to ukraine, i am not saying that the russian opposition has anything to gain from this, thank you. i would have asked the same question, well, since we are ukrainian-centric and citizens of ukraine, we should first of all leave, forgive me. our own, not the russian opposition, it is beneficial for us to deal with people who call themselves the russian

opposition, although i have already said that this is enough, a theoretical structure of some kind, that is , the russian opposition, well, like any opposition, it is motley, among itself doesn't put up with it, but again, it's none of our business. so here it would be i immediately wanted, you know, to shout out the author, who was the author, of this, forgive me, i will call it a political attraction, of this event, if gur, well, since mr. budanov supported and spoke favorably of this story, i a little... sad, because, well, it seemed to me, as a civilian, at least, that the special services have slightly different powers and goals, and if it is true, this

event was conceived, with the help of the main intelligence agency, then he would, again- still, in my opinion, civilian people... should have pass so secretly that none of us knew about it, even more so we did not talk about it live and did not discuss it, because these are important issues, yes, i came quietly, i left quietly, about a partisan girl on the territory of russia , great, about the plans of the rdk - great, the red army does not shine a lot of light on its soldiers and commanders, and i understand why this is right, people in... they have families, friends, social connections left in russia, no one needs this publicity, that is, they are going against the imperial

monster, and what do we see, we see photos of the stage, where the representatives stand, where the banner of the forum of the russian opposition hangs, and well, it's very, i would say. such a secular political event, what is the opposition going to, any, well , any opposition is going to discuss the issue of how we, the opposition, will come to power in russia, well, i have no other options, if this event is secret, i am in i saw in some publications that a secret... event of the russian opposition took place there, no, not secret, very publicized, we talk about it all day today, well then i

don't understand anything at all, and i don't understand either fundamental questions, how many of those representatives of the opposition who came to lviv are citizens of the russian federation, usually... people who live outside the borders of russia, they have a different citizenship, already citizens of britain, citizens of states, ukraine, whatever that is , they cannot enter the territory of russia, especially if people came from the territory of russia with russian passports to ukraine, here they were named and shown on stage, why did they do it? these people, they a priori then cannot engage in any partisan or subversive activities work, that is, work that would be

interesting to us, ukrainians, during the war. and they will be engaged in political activities, well , please, but this is a process so distant in time that, well, i don't see the point in discussing it now, who will be... will be the next president of russia, which party will win, there is no such thing. well, ilya panomarov, who was on my broadcast, he said that they were considering the issue of possibly creating a government that is either in exile or an alternative government, and it seems that they are already talking about something agreed, started working in this direction, or at least formed some working groups there. katerina, do you believe in the russian opposition? oh, this is not a matter of faith, it is a matter of facts and what we have now, of course it would not be bad for ukraine if it were so, but we understand the path taken by

vladimir putin, his... in order for this opposition there was no nimtsov at all, khudurkovsky was in a russian prison for 10 years, by the way, let’s not forget, and now he has come to lviv, there is a difficult history, his own path, well, now we have what we have, as the classic said, but here i would like to draw attention to the fact that the forum was, as it were, secret, such a good pr was given to it by the mayor of the city of lviv, the gardener, who apparently did not know about its holding, and then it turned out already... that there were some there were journalists, in fact there were not many microphones, if you look at the photos, i would like a wider, wider coverage, maybe, that is, i think that at the moment they did not know about this forum, but then they found out about this whole thing because of such a media scandal, about which, by the way, i also in asked ilya ponomarova on the air this morning, why lviv in particular, why this forum was not held in kharkiv, why it was not held there in zaporizhzhia, in dnipro, well, it was already

held in kyiv, yes, but... if, it seems, if the russian oppositionists, they came to ukraine and not to lviv, where we understand that it is safer there, after all, to kharkiv, well, let it be dangerous there, well, i don’t know, in a bunker somewhere, in the subway, to feel that atmosphere, just then , when russian, russian troops, they advance and advance in the kharkiv region, and, this it would be symbolic, and it would probably show the ukrainians, well, such greater strength of spirit or something like that, because i can see. many comments on this topic, why in lviv? and as for efficiency, effectiveness, it seems to me that this is such a main factor again for ukraine's international partners, but now, even today, we heard from putin that he is again talking about how he is ready for negotiations, and we remember we are arguing that it is not ready in ukraine, and this and that before the peace summit is to be held, and this seems to me to be very important

also an argument. for the ukrainian side, look, we are talking with the russian opposition, we are meeting with them, we are somehow trying to formulate our future with them, that is, there is no such thing as ukrainians simply do not want to communicate with the russians there in any way at all, there is no such thing , so it seems to me that from this point of view it is an important factor, i would also like to draw attention to the fact that i also saw on social networks that some phrases of mykhailo podolyak were pulled out there and they tried to make a scandal out of it, i understand what kind of figure and maybe mykhailo podolyak is an irritant for some of the ukrainians there, and of course. well, for all ukrainians , russian citizens who came to ukraine for some forum are an irritant in general, but it is also important to hear all the direct language and for sure understand this issue, what was said there, and this is important, because it was said about what has to be at least a tactical victory on an important point there on one of the directions in the war, in order for russia to receive this defeat, and then it stopped there, that this is an important moment, and also podalyak there

emphasized that it is normal that... ukrainians do not treat russians very well there in the conditions that exist, because these are the realities, it was lyaponomarov who said this, that is , it seemed that the realities were understood, but i would like to hear more direct speech, to be honest, in order to make a complete picture from all the russian oppositionists who came and who spoke, theses, what they said, whether something has changed, the course of thought has changed, maybe over these last two years , but it is secret, or rather not... it was announced the forum of the russian opposition, it's a secret what they said, only ilya ponomarov speaks and makes this information public, and god bless her from this russian opposition, from russia, you want to add, i literally added one, i remembered this meme attributed to the kuchna , the same thing has already happened, the same thing has already happened, remember how khodorkovsky triumphantly came to kyiv during the maidan, and it was wow, it was

a meeting. that he was just such a person for us, such a political prisoner, a prisoner of conscience, came here from russia, and he brought i beg the news, which is exactly what you are, great fellows, you are democrats, we are proud of you, and on this occasion we will build the core of a new russia on the territory of ukraine, it was recruited... yes, something, i think that this is an attempt, request number two, yes, that ukraine is again, it is so mainstream, despite our internal strife, to the fact that we have failed mobilization, well, not completely failed, but there are many problems, but still ukraine is resisting, pouring its own blood i