[000:00:00;00] daniel frith, the flesh and blood of the american state department, the former coordinator of sanctions policy affairs of the state department, a person who very well understands the deterrence strategy and specific tactical steps, in particular the deterrence of the russian federation, will be working on the espresso tv channel. i congratulate you, mr. ambassador, on the espresso tv channel. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. well, the swiss summit is approaching. peace, so we understand that ukraine proposed its formula, yes, which provides for the withdrawal of the russians interveners from our territory and so on, we understand that this formula has already been tested at a very high level in meetings of the international plan, including the g7 and g20 and so on and so on, what are the prospects now in your opinion to make the swiss

the summit proposed a new clear strategy regarding. russia, perhaps, has a feeling that it will be possible to force the russians to listen to this position. ukraine's proposal to hold an international summit to discuss its peace formula deserves high praise. it has strategic and tactical advantages, emphasized by the importance of ukraine's initiatives and its perception as a country presenting its own plan for the political settlement of the conflict. the formula, which is based on ten points, is closely related. with the principles of the un charter. it is important that the issue of ukraine affects countries all over the world, in africa, asia, south america and the middle east. several summits have already been held, the next one will be held in switzerland in mid-june. again, this is a very good idea. on the one hand, we do not want the russians to claim that ukraine is not wants to participate in negotiations. on the other hand, it is important for ukraine to be able to organize

as much as possible. a broader consensus among as many countries as possible on the basis of certain of its fundamental provisions. in my opinion, the ukrainians demonstrated great skill. the ukrainian government has excelled in recognizing areas of possible understanding between a very large group of countries at the international level, thereby laying the groundwork for more serious discussions in the future and preventing russia from isolating ukraine. that is why i believe that the ukrainian... and i hope that the government my country will be represented in switzerland at the highest possible level. let's see. dear mr. ambassador frith, the position of ukraine is extremely strong, yes, because they committed unprovoked aggression against us, they attack our civilian cities, kill our civilians, kill our military, but we understand that despite the strength of our position, our enemy in

switzerland is not. there will also be a key story, what will be the position of the people's republic of china, will they, for example, agree to send their emissaries as observers, so for to somehow navigate the current history, well, because we understand that there is a certain consolidation of what is called the western world, but the chinese game, the chinese influence on the situation is extremely important, we understand that there were meetings in beijing with the secretary of state antony blinkin, the president what did macron, german chancellor olaf scholz and putin do after that? putin went to beijing and took his officials with him. china's position is one of the key international factors in russia's war calculations. china supported russia by providing it many technologies and details are necessary for waging war. the united states is not

happy about it. us secretary of state. tony blinken visited beijing and called on the chinese to stop supporting russia. the united states has imposed sanctions on some chinese companies that evade their compliance. these efforts are likely to continue and even intensify if china continues on its current course. interestingly, president putin visited beijing, and as far as i understand, the results of that visit were minor. the chinese are ready to help the russians, but not yes. a lot, as they would like it. it seems that in this sino-russian partnership, without limitations, there are certain limitations. and yet china's position is that it does not want russia to lose, and therefore will support it. the united states and european countries need to continue to persuade and, if necessary, pressure the chinese to abandon their support for russia. easy to say and not easy to do. it is quite

difficult. china's position is a significant problem, and we cannot sit idly by and look at how the chinese support putin's aggressive war against ukraine. well, but in... in which case xi jinping made a very symbolic trip to the european continent: france, serbia, hungary, at the same time when putin's inauguration was taking place in russia, that is, which ended the process of putin's self-crowning. yes, xi jinping was not there. there was also no xi jinping at the so -called parade on red square. maybe there are some prospects to agree on something. with the chinese, whether they will still try to stick strictly to their own strategy about entry into the european continent and possible approach to european markets. china is trying to strengthen its position as

the main dominant counterweight to the united states and europe. he is looking for potential allies in europe, whether on an ideological basis, like hungary, or on a commercial basis. the united states has decided that china ... is a long-term strategic competitor, or even adversary, and is actively debating whether china poses such a strong threat that the united states needs to focus all its efforts on countering china, or even withdraw from europe and reduce its support for ukraine. this is the position of the so-called asia first group, which is associated with donald trump. the biden administration, on the other hand , believes that it is important to support ukraine in europe. they claim that if russia wins a war against ukraine, it will only worsen security in asia, that is, it will not improve it. this position, by the way, is shared by the leaders of taiwan, south korea and japan, who have repeatedly and publicly stated that they

will support ukraine, and that such support in their interests. this is an extremely important message. that is, there is a debate that will continue after our election about how the united states ... should conduct its foreign policy, whether to support security in asia and europe, or to focus exclusively on asia and weaken its interest in europe. this is an old american debate that has now become relevant again. so far, the pro-european group, which believes the united states should support both its asian and european allies, is dominant position however, people around donald trump tend to be supportive. ativ, that is , they give priority to china at the expense of ukraine and europe, which, in my opinion, is a very bad idea. thank you, mr. ambassador, in any case, we understand that a lot of issues in world politics are currently on

hold, because many capitals of the world are waiting for the american elections, and donald trump is an unpredictable person who was already an american at one time. president, but we are very active in ukraine. experienced when trying to analyze what happening in the american congress, yes, we were worried, but on the other hand, it also demonstrated a certain weakness of american democracy, when an extremely important issue, the issue of life, literally of the entire european people, could be put in jeopardy, we are grateful, the american administration , we are grateful to the us parliamentarians for finally closing this story, we got. but going back to donald trump and this corridor in the months before the election, what can happen before the election and what could happen after the election because we don't know what donald trump number two will be like

if he becomes president. we don't know, it is. ukrainians have every right to be grateful to the united states for the aid provided, and at the same time disappointed by the long, unjustified delay in ... regarding additional aid to ukraine. ukraine should also push the us to do everything we can, beyond what we are already doing, to support ukraine at this critical time. in the united states, as i said, it's rolling strategy debate, president biden and his administration believe in what i would call a free world strategy. it is about supporting democracy in europe and asia, in particular, because we will not be able to succeed. resist the chinese challenge if we allow russia to threaten ukraine and europe. we have to deal with both great adversaries, china and russia. this is the position of the biden administration. the position

of donald trump and his supporters seems to be that ukraine has less value and priority. there were times when donald trump was hostile to ukraine and sympathetic to vladimir putin, which is a terrible position. it is also true that trump has recently changed his position on ukraine. on the eve of the vote in congress on providing additional aid to ukraine, donald trump published on the true social website. a statement in which he claimed that the survival and strength of ukraine is in the interests of the united states. the statement was tucked inside a long political post attacking the biden administration. and yet, this is the rare case when donald trump recognized the importance of ukraine for the united states. i not a supporter of donald trump, but i think it was a good move and hope it continues. however, to be sure, president biden is... a much more reliable supporter of ukraine than

trump ever was or will be. ukraine is currently in a critical situation, we understand that only decisive american assistance can fundamentally change the situation on the battlefield. we understand that we are talking about heavy weapons, we are talking about possible bold decisions on the part of american democracy. so we understand that, well, in a few months the situation in the united states will be states may change, and indeed we do not undertake to predict. or to predict what it might be, and we understand that we need additional air defense systems in order to close the sky over kharkiv, in order to close the sky in the north of our country, yes, because the russians started the so-called kharkiv operation, and we have a request for additional patriot systems, so that we can protect our civilians, but we understand that it is also about aviation, and it is also about far. battle, artillery or missile

component, and here is the key story, everyone is talking about this too, whether or not there will be permission to use long-range american weapons to protect our citizens, so that our generals and our political leadership can determine for themselves where to hit when the russian interventionists are shelling our cities. ukraine and ukrainian. civil society is absolutely right to insist that the americans provide more modern weapons systems. frankly speaking, i agree with ukrainians and such by americans like tori nuland, the former us deputy secretary of state, who said that the united states should allow ukraine to use the provided weapons to attack military targets in russia, not just ukraine. this is important from a military point of view to help ukrainians, in particular in kharkiv. friends of ukraine are insisting that

the biden administration lift some of the restrictions. i hope that the biden administration will act in the same way that it has done on long-range atakams. it turns out that ukraine received these long-range missiles without of the previous public announcement, which allowed the ukrainians to surprise the russians with new weapons on new russian targets. so it's better to just let the ukrainians act, less words, more action. hopefully that's what the biden administration will do. sometimes it seems that the biden administration is worried about escalation. i do not understand why anyone should prevent ukrainians from defending their country, in particular, by forbidding and attacking specific places in russia, from where strikes are carried out on the territory of ukraine. in washington they are hotly discussing with on this occasion, and my friends and i urge the administration to do everything possible to remove these restrictions as public. and privately, and allow ukraine to use

american weapons as it sees fit. dear mr. ambassador frith, are there prospects that the words of the same president macron will be implemented, yes, and the statement was also extremely resonant on the part of general brown, so we understand that it is about the prospect of what is possible for the military of our western friends and allies will be on our territory in order to so that... it is possible to be not only instructors, if we talk about the seriousness of applying such a scenario, yes, because president zelensky, well, he said that so far no such proposals have been received. president macron is extending support to ukraine in every possible way, and i welcome such efforts. i think it's a good idea now, more than ever, to start looking at different options. recently, there have been many ideas about sending technical experts to ukraine. americans and europeans with technical

skills to help ukrainians, in particular for training ukrainian soldiers and repairs of ukrainian equipment on the territory of ukraine. there have also been proposals to allow nato units stationed in poland or romania, mostly in poland, to use their weapons to intercept russian missiles and drones that attack targets on the territory of ukraine. there were several such proposals, but none were accepted, and yet this is the world. that the us and europe are looking at what else they can do to help ukraine defend itself. of course, there are many questions that are actively being worked on previous the nato summit in washington in july, which is fast approaching. this summit should demonstrate that ukraine's ultimate goal in the future will be nato membership. the us administration and secretary of state blinken started talking about building a bridge to nato. it's not quite a perfect metaphor. however,

if this bridge is strong, made of steel and not paper, if it really leads ukraine to nato membership, and if it is short and not too long. such a metaphor is quite appropriate. it can be a way to push through policies that will actually achieve his goal. we understand that antony blinken is an extremely experienced and purposeful politician. we understand that the entire american administration is experienced and decent people. but when we talk about the adoption of extremely important decisions related to strategic armaments, we understand that this decision, this decision is american. the president, now it is president joseph biden, and we understand that the story with the american aviation with the f-16 planes, it drags on and on, we see positive signals, we understand that part of our of aviators has already gone through a certain training, but we still haven't seen american or i

don't know, french or british planes, in which our pilots would sit and which would protect our skies, maybe... say something more about the big discussions, in particular and regarding the allocation of aviation to us, and why i am talking now about american aviation, because this is really about the strategy of war, so we understand that putin has made a decision for himself not to spare the russian interventionists, and they are ready to simply exchange manpower for manpower force, they are ready to give five or 10 of their interventionists for one of our fighters, because we have such a concept as a mobilization resource . our enemy's mobilization resource is much greater than ours. when we talk about aviation, we understand that it is about training pilots, providing fighters and logistics to support them. agree that the us took too long to decide on the f-16. we

should have dared to do this back in 2022 and act immediately. the procrastination took too much time, so i guess some criticism on this occasion. is justified. i don't know the details of the fighter jet delivery process, but the sooner f-16s are in ukrainian skies with ukrainian pilots on board, the better for all of us. as for mobilization, the russians have a considerable advantage. that is why the ukrainian government was right when it lowered the mobilization age. ukraine cannot afford young people not to serve in the army. i understand that they need to be trained, but ukraine must act quickly. to solve the problem of the lack of soldiers, it is not an easy decision, but it is important, and we cannot ignore it, it is ukraine's decision. the united states, europe can help with weapons, and i fully agree that we should do more. now that congress has voted in favor of aid, we need to make sure it gets to ukraine

as quickly as possible. the russians are trying to break through in the north and east before the weapons are fully delivered to ukraine. we must act, we in europe and the us must do more and act faster to help ukraine stop the russian offensive. we should do it urgently, and i think that it is the united states that should give impetus to the arrival of weapons to ukraine as soon as possible. lendlis, the law on lendlis and the prospects of using it as a certain auxiliary tool. whatever tools are used, we must persuade. that the weapon will go where it needs to go. we all need to ensure that resources are available for ukraine in the future. the biden administration is trying very hard to use as many frozen russian assets as possible, those that the us, europe and the g7 locked down after the

february 2022 invasion. some progress has been made, but not enough. we have to make it possible to take as much of this money as possible and use it. to help ukraine, it must be done quickly, there is money, and now is the time to use it. dear mr. ambassador frith, the question of money. this is how we understand that hundreds of billions of dollars of russian funds are frozen in the world. and we understand that war is not only about human resources, not only about military resources, it is also about financial resources. well, we understand what it is the question is extremely painful for us. so we understand that the russian oligarchic economy was built, in particular, on keeping stolen money from russians abroad, and here is more than 300 billion dollars... they are waiting until they can help us in ukraine fight against unprovoked aggression, but

we understand , which may also refer to additional sanctions packages. unfortunately, there is a feeling, yes, in particular, well, we were surprised in ukraine by the reaction of national security advisor jake salevan, who said that it is not worth hitting the oil refining facilities in russia when we are talking about the use of drones with special consideration. the fact that russia almost destroyed all our thermal power plants, that is, they targeted every time so that ukraine would be in the dark. the us and the j7 must reach a consensus on using as much of the frozen russian assets as possible. we must use this money to compensate for the consequences of russia's unprovoked war of aggression. regarding sanctions, there are additional steps that should be taken. i believe, that the biden administration is looking into this issue, and some of my friends will be discussing with the administration what else can be done to

put pressure on the russian economy. we must consider all the levers at our disposal to push russia out of ukraine and weaken its ability to wage war. russia is a tough and dangerous enemy. who but ukrainians should know about this. we in the west must understand that russia will not stop. in ukraine, if putin succeeds in ukraine, he will quickly move on. he threatens the baltic countries, he threatens moldova. there is a job announcement russian agents who use methods of disinformation and actual sabotage, particularly in western europe. russia under putin is a huge threat and we must act accordingly. dear mr. ambassador frit, we do not trust putin in ukraine. i think no one in the world believes putin, but... he regularly gives one or another false signal about russia's readiness for one or another change. and at the same time, all his followers always

say: well, taking into account the realities on the ground, it is about what russia would like to leave behind temporarily occupied territories. we understand that this plan does not go through, well, but in any case, in one of his last statements , putin again mentioned the istanbul agreements, although we understand that they were not agreements, but ... they did not receive the proper signatures and acceptance , well, at least in ukraine, but if we talk about putin's signals, what he means, and maybe russia is just putin not showing it, would actually be ready for some serious, significant concessions. currently, i believe that russia is absolutely not interested in any serious negotiations regarding the termination of its aggressive war. they just cynically look at the offers in order to use them to their advantage. if the russians are serious about negotiations, they will know how

to conduct them. the basis of the negotiations should be the ukrainian 10-point peace formula, and not the russian statement that the negotiations should begin with ukraine's recognition of russian conquests, part of its territories. russians are not serious about negotiations, they can become serious only when they feel like it. that lose, that is, when the balance the battle will shift in favor of ukraine. putin's announced military exercises with the use of tactical nuclear weapons are certain signals of intimidation, or could it really be something more serious. i think that putin is using the possibility of nuclear escalation to intimidate the united states and europe again, but i don't think that he will get anything out of it. in the fall of 2022. the kremlin has also threatened to use nuclear weapons, and i think the us has sent a signal to the russians that if they dare to do so,

there will be a quick and nasty response from the us. i believe that the united states has told the russians that if they use nuclear weapons against ukraine, the united states will attack russian positions inside ukraine. of course, these are just my guesses. but we know that the russians retreated. they take it seriously. perhaps putin continues. try to intimidate the united states and the west with these nuclear exercises, but we should not give in to such pressure. yes, russia has nuclear weapons, but so do we. and the last question, mr. ambassador, the washington nato summit, as we understand it, that there should be one or another proposal for ukraine, taking into account what is happening now on the front line, but we understand that the euro-atlantic community in this case, when we are talking about ukraine's full membership in nato, it shows some caution. so, what are the prospects, especially taking into account

the positive experience of sweden and finland. the issue of ukraine's accession to nato definitely worries many people, including in the biden administration. i doubt that ukraine will receive an invitation to start accession negotiations at the summit. for example, the former prime minister of denmark and former secretary general of nato, anders vohrasmussen, is in favor of starting accession negotiations with ukraine. frankly, i think it's a good idea, but i don't think the biden administration is ready for it. however, unlike last year's situation before the vilnius summit, the biden administration is now talking about a bridge to nato for ukraine. i know that many ukrainians do not like talking about this bridge. they want an invitation. i understand that, and on some level i certainly agree with him i agree, but there is a possibility that at the nato summit, the usa and other members of the alliance will make it clear that they are serious, because

european security cannot be complete without... ukraine in nato. leaving ukraine in the gray zone is a formula for instability and a potential invitation to further attacks by russia. therefore, i think that progress will be achieved, the issue of ukraine will be the main issue at the nato summit. much will depend on how the events on the battlefield will develop. and the united states needs to to send a clear signal that nato will firmly stand by ukraine and adhere to its principled position. that the future of ukraine is in nato. thank you very much, mr. ambassador fries, for this extremely important conversation, and thank you for all that you have done and are doing to support ukraine, not only in the american administration, but in the world in general. and i want to remind our tv viewers that daniel frith, an american diplomat, former coordinator of the us state department on

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