it was about surnames and it was, in principle , a specific case, but there are a lot of such, because every time both you and our colleagues from various investigative projects voice some new information, and every time it is oh my god, how can this be, is there a possibility set some, i don't want to say traps, but actually boundaries, so that again and again the same people, or some new ones, do not emerge with the same schemes. with similar stories, i.e. how this process of cleansing from corruption can happen, i understand that 100% it will never happen, for sure in any country, but at least to such decent limits, is this possible in ukraine? no, it's definitely possible, you know, we passed after the maidan of 14th year, we passed a lot of cool laws, launched a bunch of very good institutions that do their job, well... like

the procurement of the ministry of defense was cleaned up in just one year , well, i swear, now there is such an order in unarmed procurement, which in my memory has never existed in the history of ukraine, but, even now, there are also closed shadow sectors of procurement, there, for example, as for weapons, we don't just see how hundreds of billions are being spent there, so of course there are measures that can help fight corruption there, but the main thing is that we never had, well, don't remember. in general, for the entire history of ukraine, if the inevitability of punishment worked simultaneously with gingerbread, which are in the form of good salaries for decent people in positions, that is, we constantly have such extremes, let's give a huge salary and a person will be virtuous there, and then it turns out not to be , everything is equal, as the head of the supreme court princes received an incredible salary in the millions, but all the same he collected bribes for judges, that's it... you need

the inevitability of punishment, and for the inevitability of punishment and you need it, these are the effective bodies, such as nabu, the specialized anti-corporation prosecutor's office, the higher anti-corruption court, as well as others law enforcement agencies, but, you know, we are used to paying attention very often, oh, what can i do there, they are responsible for corruption there, and we have the sbu and the security service of ukraine, that’s right, they pass by the crocodiles, but nothing because of them merge cases, for example, a precedent with landing in the prison of the representative of the president's office could have been much earlier. than now, than this year, when we already have a former inmate there, you are referring to the case of oleg tatarov, which was supposed to go directly to court, but here the prosecutor told her to hand it over to the sbu in time, she went herself, it is difficult to meet her fate, because she is a famous diplomat, this prosecutor general, and during that time all this was drowned out, so what if this precedent will return, that is, i mean, there is a possibility that for... all these suspicions of

corruption in apartments for the national guard, such the character will answer, well, i understand that the case has already been demolished, concreted and covered with ash on top, but i fully understand that oleg tatarov, who continued his work, well, responsibility for so many things now in ukraine, not the best things, that in the case when it will start to be normal to give evidence on him and collect evidence, but from there... it will be impossible, and that is why i say that the inevitability of punishment should be included and that law enforcement agencies should do their work, you can say that this is an idealistic idea of ​​mine, but this is the goal , to which you have to go, if it doesn't happen, then that's it, we can give up, stop opposing the renaming of ukraine to malorossiya and end all research on that, but i don't agree with that, you mentioned the methods of cleaning, about those borders and this control. i

am not 100% sure now, but it seems to me that it was you who predicted about a year ago that one of the areas where it is possible to abuse, where corruption may appear, will be energy, it will be the construction of protective structures for it seems that it was you, and we see that this is what happened the question is now, because they seem to have started to deal with the defense industry a little, there is this rear procurement operator, there were possible scandals with the energy sector... perhaps there will also be more under the crosshairs now, which further spheres are so very dangerous, where someone can take and be tempted, as of now, this is the production of ukrainian weapons and the purchase of weapons in general, that is, these are spheres of completely objective reasons, they are closed from transparency, well, the enemy does not have to know what we have, but in this way we have such, you know, asymmetric steps use. and i really like the idea that

now under consideration, as i understand it, on the table of the minister of defense rustem umerov, it is for the newly created supervisory board of the defense procurement agency. the one that buys weapons, everything that explodes and everything that is secret, to let into that supervisory board, from foreign generals, that is, retired generals, they mean, well, not those who are directly serving now, sorry, that’s mine the call breaks through, the foreign generals feel something, they should send retired generals there who could, well, from the inside, having all the permissions. control the situation and tell your countries about what is happening in our country with this now, so that there are no, you know, such suspicions, stupid questions like, oh, you have darkness there, maybe you are cooking something there, look, well, we are really

moving in this direction, because i see something that seems to be closed, but court decisions are open in lviv, when after wild schemes and scandals, a well-known crimean... regional, who took care of russian tourists, calmly goes free, then i have a question, maybe gusyev iliev will be appointed to the supervisory board instead of those real, there can be no rollback, but if we look at the fact that in many corruption scandals there is an informational explosion at the start, and then they are quietly released by the court, go for a walk, it can be easy, in our country, as they are used to, they conducted a search, issued a press release, spread the bills, then turn away, do what you want. definitely yes, and there are never one-time changes of such a scale, once it is done, then it will somehow fly there, run, no, it will never be like that, eh, we need, we need constant control and attention to the situation, unfortunately, you can't

do it like this, oh, the boys have already gone to serve in the armed forces, like, well, let them win the war for us there, yes, and we'll sit here, smoke, or the anti-corruption officers have taken over i am responsible for some kind of idiot, well...what have we decided, yes, and we will sit here, smoke, while there the bastards control something for themselves in that corruption, or we created nabu, well, there is nabu, there is a billion for him there salaries have been set, so let me buy them and get rid of all that corruption, no, never like that will be, without the political will of the first person in the country, any fight against corruption is doomed to strategic failure, for our viewers, yur, help to simply understand the magic of big numbers and... and kilograms, what amount is involved, let's say, in general this multi-year program, money for asphalt or big construction, what amount are we talking about, you mean, which can be

stolen, look, this is quite shocking information, although i published it until the beginning of the 22nd year, i must remind but then not many people wanted to... everyone liked it shiny asphalt that lies on the roads, on which it is so convenient to slide something there with a car, so in 2021, this is the last year before the invasion, this is when everyone told us that there will be a war, we need to prepare for it, then in asphalting the roads in general , more than 100 billion uah passed through the ukraftodor system and various repair works, which was more than 10% of the entire state budget of the country. this amount is so gigantic, well , during yanukovych's time, such a percentage was not even spent on coal, which was a black hole for regions, but in the 21st year, even for armaments, purchases were made there for an amount about five times less than for asphalting, i.e. 20 billion for weapons,

100 billion for asphalt, and the order of gaps is roughly like this, so that everything was clear, that's why minister reznikov later said, we came to see when the trade began, we... looked into the warehouses, and there were no vests at all, so we bought whatever we could find, billions, how much was stolen, well, that's my opinion the estimate we are talking about may be from 20 to 40 billion hryvnias, but i will not name it embezzlement, let's call it that, let's say it like that, a margin that we could not lose, uh, fine, but 40 billion is if it is in dollars 1 billion or how much, well, how about today's exchange rate, according to the nbu exchange rate, what is there? then the exchange rate was 27, let's say like this, about a billion dollars somewhere there, yes, a billion dollars, well, yes, which means that, just to understand, it is 10 tons, yes, 10 tons, if converted into dollars and brought , 10 tons, honestly, i have never seen such, such cash smears,

i can’t say this, but i understand that this it's just, well, it's a lot, and i definitely understand that it was possible to get a lot of people's deputies from these funds, but the second series is ahead. or not, i mean that there was a big construction, and now there will be, there will be reconstruction, but we are still in the process of construction, now somewhere they are patching up, they are flying in sumy oblast, they want to. that is, there are chances, but there must be control, right, mr. yuri? of course, but we just have to understand that now there is actually much less money in construction, especially in road construction, now it's just a complete pittance, well, that’s the truth, i see clearly, that is, in fact, the amounts are meager compared to those that were, so there is no violence there now, it’s just that there are many repairs in our schools, children’s kindergartens, they rushed to repair it, as if it was the most necessary the thing is, when the fortification is not built. that is , we need to be vigilant now in other places, and then we will have to be vigilant when they rebuild, well yes, thank you, mr. yuriy,

journalist, co-founder of the independent group our money, yuriy nikolov was with us, and with good news we are completing our working day, because it is already eight, in fact another su-25, 110 separate mechanized brigade in the pokrovsky direction, can please us with such news, roman and i are saying goodbye to you on this, have a peaceful, safe evening, take care, see you soon tomorrow, but stay now with espresso, because immediately after a short break, watch a very important and interesting interview about what hurts, but does not let you lose faith, and about the experience of war. our iryna koval's conversation with volunteer, writer, musician ruslan. no moat skip it, gasoline trimmers

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visiting me today. ruslan, hello. hello, thank you very much for the invitation. it's very strange to listen like that when you know. formulate something about you, it is so very strange, really strange, i will definitely present it to our guests, you and once again for those who do not know, although i am sure that there are very few such people in our country. ruslan horovy is a volunteer, director, writer, musician and a wonderful person, thank you very much, why a gypsy, it happened completely by accident , the fact is that when i started all these walks in the kyiv region, in the de-occupied territories, and... i contacted several volunteer headquarters, then everyone accumulated something somewhere in the district, you could take medicine there, something else there to take something and give it to people, so i went to one of these warehouses and i saw a hat lying there, a hat by the garbage can, i say that it's girls, you made a hat here, which you threw away, he says, a lot of

very strange things came here from italy, and in particular this hat, and we looked where it was, who it was good for. threw it away, i picked it up, picked it up, looked at it, a german nice hat and thought that a german made a hat, sold it to an italian, the italian walked around, then decided that without this hat we would not win, took it, sent it to us, and the girls took it and thrown out, i say no, i will adopt a hat, he says, take it, y we have ball gowns here, i can give them to you, and i put on that hat, and it is still rolling around in my car, and yes, literally at the same moment, on the same day or the next day at one of the roadblocks, we wash my car ... was stopped by a person whom i had known since the 15th or 14th year , he said: oh, mountaineer, what are you doing here mowing under a gypsy, and i looked like this, and that's how the gypsy stuck, gypsy, gypsy, and i realized that it's easier so that no one, no one remembers that surname, no one remembers names, everyone has people, and that's what you say, gypsy, gypsies, it became recognizable very quickly, and

my friends and i said that we go to the gypsy camp and... climb wherever we can, help as much as we can, there are three of us kostyak, olena nechayeva, she is more involved in the military, roman gurzhii, he is our minister of gypsy affairs, because he has a medical education and can distinguish there, you know, cyanide feces, but not cyanide potassium, so that we do not feed someone with something, well, look, we have known you for 10 years, i know that your war started back in 2014, yours, yes... look i want you to remember exactly february 24, 2022, what you did on that day and whether you even expected what would happen... exactly as it happened. i must say that ludmila and i, my wife and i, were probably more prepared than most ukrainians. we

knew that there would be an invasion, we were preparing, we had prepared documents, both for me and for her, notarized for taking the child abroad, because we did not know how it would happen, but at the same moment it turned out that no matter how you prepare, you can't to be prepared for what happened, we did not... interrupt our lives, but we had some collected things, we understood that if something happens, there is a certain, certain algorithm of actions. four days before that, i had flown to ireland with film performances, i had shown a film about the donetsk airport there and talked about the fact that something would happen, we don't know when exactly, but it is clear, well, when near the border of your the country has gathered such an army, you know this, as in again, we will quote what we know, yes, if it is possible... in february, i already have a lot years in kharkiv, this is the anniversary

of the death of dana didik, that tragic march in the 15th year, during which four people died from an explosive device planted by russian mercenaries, and i was in kharkiv all the time and at that moment, i was at... events at events about the anniversary, we again raised the issue of the name of the school named after dani didik, nothing came of it, and on the night of the 23rd to the 24th, i returned from kharkov, i came and took the little one , i say people, rest a little because she was with the little one for several days and took her to his place, went to bed and already around four o'clock how old is she already at that time it was four years, four years before the movement and somewhere at the beginning of the fifth? mykhailo bondarenko picked me up, he is my friend, the producer, and he says: that’s it, the russian tanks have passed through the passages, are going to kharkiv, the battles are already underway, the war has started, i put it down and heard the first sounds

of explosions from gostomel, where helicopters were coming in, bullets were coming in from planes , everything began what began, lyuda packed her things and the child, and began... a very difficult journey to the west, because we did not have a car, but she was driven by completely different people, she tells about it all the time, it is completely her the story that i am i think that it will be necessary to write it down somehow, because it is very, very, very interesting, what we were like, they say that the people there have changed, now a little, how we ukrainians were attentive to each other, i say you see ants in me, history , i don't want to tell it, it's very very. a very interesting story, she will tell it herself one day, but it is a story of gratitude, how ukrainians helped ukrainians, especially those that were with difficult options, like our

child, well, there were nuances, but i went to the military, i went the army, ah, and not me either they took it, we have it there, i don’t know how, there were so many people willing to get weapons in our galisiiv district that i couldn’t push through, well , it’s true, it’s really true, i stood... one day, the next day, but they told me that i don't need the zocom yet, we'll call you, we're here for you, i realized that it's useless, they won't take me anywhere for now, and i started doing what i know how to help, help people, i realized , that in kyiv , older people were actually held hostage on the floors, many people were left without help, social workers rescued own families, that's exactly what i wanted to ask you about, because since 2014 you have been helping more. the army, both the military and the boarding school, here you can say that the volunteer was repurposed and you started helping civilians, well, if,

if the army didn’t need my help at that time, it didn’t need such a massive one, here you have people before your eyes, who need help, it's impossible to help everyone, but the main thing is not to miss those you know, you remember the first person you met who needed help, that's mine next door neighbor there is an older woman who was dealt with by the social service, and i realized that she was not there, no one was there, i went to her, she handed me another one of her acquaintance and another one, and already there in 3-4 days i was laughing, that i already had the 80th level of grandmothers in kyiv, they laughed at me so much, that is, of all the grandmothers of kyiv, who could i, who could i, i ran, ran, yes, they are such specific jokes, one said ruslan, don't worry, not one, the other will write the house for you, everything will be fine. here is this, this and a completely different cosmos, this people, if they start to trust you, it's simple, because in principle they are older people, they are preserved in themselves, they don't want

to see other people, it took 300... will say that i am from svetlana pavlyny, like who, i who, who to call, but then they relax, they let you in, and you can't even entrust it to anyone, because they only know you, they take the phone, that's all, and when they're over 20, you understand that i'm just even you don't have time to physically run to all the pharmacies, get food, and i didn't drive a car, i had cars right, i passed my driving license a long time ago, but i never drove a car, because i'm not comfortable with my eye, i don't have an eye and i... well, it's inconvenient to drive a car, but as practice has shown, it's convenient, inconvenient, sit down and drive, i took a car, at first he just called me, said, you can take a car from there, get in and help, i got in that car, then in another car and started helping these grandmothers, and at the same time there were such chats in telegram, we started taking people out, we began to take people out of poderpina, where they could get to and take them to train stations or

before you or who needed a place, well, it was like that, like that, the husband was there, go pick him up, once he went to take me there, like that, like that, there were seven or eight trips a day, who looked where, and how he ended up in the kyiv region and started helping there, and then our promotions began, and i had people with whom i supported when they were in occupation, a certain connection, there were people who simply could not leave, these are my acquaintances, friends, i did not live in space, this is mine kyiv region, i was there at someone's house as a cook. for example, in the village i am from as a child, i rested several times in the summer before the great war, and then i realized that there were people there, some tragic events reached me, we started together with the military went to andriivka, then to lypivka , then we advanced to boredyanka, then along they took the cook back there, to zagalka, i saw all this while the military was doing its business,

clearing the territory, taking away the bc. those who threw, i talked with people, we brought them water, food, i just physically somehow brought them to their senses a little, so that they, they wanted to talk, to communicate, because they were scared, they experienced something that cannot be simply described, well, people lived peacefully, what have you done to us, i am not going there, my kukum here is broken, the house is completely, when only the refrigerator is left, vadima and vitalik was killed. my god, they are neighbors, yes, yes, across two houses, one and four houses across, the other, how old is one, well, one is 46, the other is 33, and what did they kill for, well, what did they kill for, how do i know, call they bit his hands, put him on his knees, in his face, shot him, in general, i only saw that he was lying on the etamo, otako bound. well, in these two years

you have seen a lot in reality, and is there any such story that impressed you the most, which you remember constantly, and for example, you know how it happens in our lives, you seem to be constantly pushed back by your memory, and you think that you were in the right place, at the right time, in order to help this person or these people, well, i don't think so, i wouldn't have helped, someone else would have, there are no irreplaceable ones, it just happened that way, but for some reason... i very often have a shot in front of my eyes, when in kharkiv oblast, is it a goat’s horn, or were there somewhere, when i go out to the central street and there are mobile phones nailed to a tree, well, they took them from people, just nailed them with nails, then people come out and i tell them the news, now we are in the de-occupied village of kozacha lopan, i

want to show you something, look... these are the phones of the locals, which were taken away, and there is nothing to do from here, they were nailed to, nailed to trees, everything that can be broken is broken here , new post office, pharmacy, everything you see here was destroyed by the russians, although in fact they are here, it is theirs. their places, where they were, where they lived, there are still some very strong impressions, i once spoke to a teacher of junior classes in one of the villages, if i think it was andriivka, i could be wrong, and she or lypivka is somewhere there, and she told , that she is a teacher of junior classes and told about her students, who killed them and told that they were buried here, and they are already adults, well, about...